Brahmin girls falling trap of love jihadi's and converted to islam.

[renuka]

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I feel Hinduism is a very simple religion but I hope we dont make it complicated.
That drives away people.
A person aged 70 wearing a Salwar Kameez isnt being less of a South Indian.
Many women dont wear Thali for reasons best known to them but that doesnt make anyone less of a Hindu.

I enjoy being a Hindu cos its the only religion that allows freedom of thought and does not expect us to have the Ba Ba Black Sheep Syndrome like many other religions where all just bleat "Yes Sir Yes Sir Three Bags Full" to every thing said or laid down.

Tell me which other religion says that even prayer is not compulsory as long we are a good human being and hurt no one?
We dont have the eternal heaven and hell concept to scare anyone to pray.
In Hinduism prayer is voluntary and no sin is acquired even if we miss a prayer or dont pray at all.

But off late we Hindus tend to impose too many rules and regulations especially the Holier than Thou attitude which is highly judgemental and paints Hinduism with unpleasant colors.

Do we really need this? Why are we complicating religion with too many cultural rules and regulations?
When did we start any so called Fatwa system that imposes rules on anyone?

We can be happy as Hindus and learn to embrace some changes in life which are inevitable.
I feel even if a old woman decides to wear even a skirt she is not going againts dharma and that doesnt mean her children will convert and marry out of the religion and race.

See all of us have moved with times but our core remains the same.
If we still want to complain that we should only have out dated thoughts and practices than in that case dont even come online.
Why are we even having a lap top.Shouldnt we be writing on a wood or some slab or some leaf?
Our ancients didnt have any problem moving with times but most of us seem to go in reverse direction.
Being modern doesnt mean giving up our values but being able to move with times with our values deeply embedded in our heart and soul and not what we wear or whether we wear our Thali or not.

We dont need to be a "Thaliban' to impose restrictions on each other.
Being Hindu is really fun..we should not spoil that.

 

[sarang]

are we not deviating from the topic? Jihadi trap and conversion and forced marriage by questionable and objectionable means!

 

[renuka]

are we not deviating from the topic? Jihadi trap and conversion and forced marriage by questionable and objectionable means!

No we havent deviated cos its important we discuss our faults too and try to correct ourselves too.
See.. it takes 2 to clap.We have to see where the fault lies too.
Its with both Hindus and Non Hindus.
I will write more tomorow cos its getting late now here.

 

[renuka]

I would also suggest to send this "Hindu Jagran Samiti"

Its already there.Read this there long back but in Hindu Jagran Samiti they view it as a Hindu problem and not restrict it to any particular community.
We should adopt the same attitude..think as Hindu first before we think of our Varna.

 

[vad.ram]

Dear Manoj and Members.

My first reply after joining. Quite a point that you have raised. But we need to keep in mind that members of our Dharma has been a target for such conversion for ages not. Honey bees will come where there is Honey. The bees do not have any use once Honey is collected. Each and every parent has responsibility to make our wards realise the value of our Dharma. Dis-illusion does descent to the lost cause, hence, I also agree that our community is also responsible.

Sarve Janah Sukhino Bhavathu

 

[Yamaka]

Yes. We Brhamins are just silent for the past 150 years. we are paying for the mistakes of our Ancesters. Look how many Bramin girls have kunkum on their fore Head or " what do u say " Nethiku Pootu vaithu kulgiraagal". even i know some married Girls in the night remove "Thalli".. We moved away from Brhamin Culture. we have forgotten or refused agree with our Religious matter, and some call it -"all usleless things"/ has one Muslim will ever say against his religion?. they love their Religion, but do we------------------?

Dear Jaichand:

Believe me, most Brahmin girls are "Sweet and Smart type"... they know what exactly they want... I married one.

They dress up according to their taste and mood... modern girls don't want to wear kumkum or thali - they are signs of Subjugation and Obedience to the Male, so they think... they want their Freedom from the Oppressive Customs and Religiosity... Why do you want to interfere with their Civil Rights, anyway?

About this inter-faith marriage (here it is dubbed as Love Jihadis, a sign of intolerance and hatred), if the girls decide when they are 22 years and older, it's their business... they know what they are doing.

Just respect their decision, and keep off from their lives. As you have the Right to follow your "Sanatana Dharma", they have the right to seek their own Dharma!

Remember, Religious Orthodoxy is tearing the Community Apart!

What else's new here?

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Sometime before, I read a news story somewhere in Bangla Desh or around, a man said 'talaq' in his dream and the divorce was decreed.

Truly "Freedom at midnight!" :clap2:

 

[jaichand]

Dharma sastra's laid down rules to life simple. our Ancestors are not Fools. but this younger gereation like u thinks so. Hinduism -Sanathana Dharma matham-" hinduism name given by British. if we talk & take everthing as fun then, GOD save this Hindu country. This country should be called as Bharthdesh.-not india. Will u take this also as fun? let us sheed the British Mentality in Brahmin community. Let us see the God in us. We Remeber if our Religion dies World will perish, but our religion will not. Yes i am Religious man. I hate people marriying to other Religion. I stand on it. I call them ----Traitors and getting converted to other Relligion. will you change your mother or Father , can anyone?.--------------- i do not want to hurt them by my words.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Every Tom, Dick and Harry can feel happy about marrying a brahmin girl!

May be I should have used the names
Amar, Akbar and Antony instead of the three names
I had used - to give equal opportunity to all!

But should the the parents of the Mrs. Amar,
Mrs. Akbar and Mrs. Antony feel proud about the acievements of their daughters and the greatness of their sons in law!

 

[jaichand]

Read my reply. I call a spade a spade.I do not care.if u have married to another Religious man, then Sorry. The day will come u will Relaise ur mistake.Respect ur Parents Sentiments. u have freedom. do not misuse it. but not on this. Saying it is thier Business- then even God canot save them. What dharma?. Going against the parents?.

 

[sarang]

In kerala and Karnataka coastal areas, this is a serious issue, articulated by the CM recently. It is bad for the hindus in general, and for tambrams in particular, as it is a small community.

Quote:
In July 2010, the "Love Jihad" controversy resurfaced in the press when Kerala Chief Minister V.S Achudanandan referenced the alleged matrimonial conversion of non-Muslim girls as part of an effort "to make Kerala a Muslim majority state".

Love Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[biswa]

Sorry Visalakshi ji, I don't understand this one. Is marrying Brahmin girls a guarantee of happiness? Or vice versa, is marrying Brahmin boys a guarantee of happiness? I do agree that perhaps it may lead to less misunderstandings.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry can feel happy about marrying a brahmin girl!

May be I should have used the names
Amar, Akbar and Antony instead of the three names
I had used - to give equal opportunity to all!

But should the the parents of the Mrs. Amar,
Mrs. Akbar and Mrs. Antony feel proud about the acievements of their daughters and the greatness of their sons in law!

 

[MANOJ SIVAN]

namaste,

Brahmins are naturally cowards. My aged parents are telling me not to speak any thing about "love Jihad" and such other matters otherwise my life would be in danger. This is also another reason why parents are keeping quiet even if their daughters go with "muslims" . The "muslim" husbands are treated with utmost respect and parents also give lot of money and help to please them. This is the truth.

As you all know "minority communities" are ruling over the majority. They are united. haj subsidy (crores or rupees ) are given, for madrasa education government is giving crores, for education of muslim's government is giving schlorship, educational institutions, hospitals are all sanctioned to them. they have become financially very stronger.

Even terrorists are treated with respect because they belong to muslim community and are not punished.

Even our village temples are taken over by government. the funds are going to government treasury - and given to so called minorities. what is government giving to "higher class Hindus"?

this is what is happening in our secular country. so it is better to keep quiet.

pranams

manoj sivan, palakkad

 

[renuka]

I am not a Brahmin so I can only speak my mind here from a Hindu perspective.
In my brief stint in India as a student I couldnt help noticing many of the MBBS and BDS girls were actually pursuing a degree just to get the title DR in front of their name to get a richer husband and be housewifes.

That was how much a woman was worth.I remember telling them why are you depriving some deserving candidate this MBBS/BDS seat when all you intend to be finally is a housewife,let someone else serve society with this degree.

Parents have instilled in most of them that to get a rich husband is the ultimate Moksha for a woman.I am not saying that marriage is not important but nowadays marriage has become so commercialized that people only think of money.

So why wont girls fall for guys that throw money on them?

You know out here in Malaysia we professional woman marry professional man whose family background match ours.None of us even ask him his pay.I didnt ask my hubby his pay or what he owned before my marriage got arranged becos since me and him are both professionals we can always build a home togather with our earnings.

But nowadays non professional graduate woman are highly demanding even though they don't earn much.They want a husband ready made with a big well furnished house,buy them a latest car,and give them an allowance too.
And this woman only want professional man even though they are non professionals and at times not even that good looking.But they have too high demands.

So thats your answer..when you chase material this is what we get.
Who is to blame?

There used to be a Non Hindu doctor in the college I studied..he was the son of a film director and was always trying to throw money around to get girls.
Sadly no one bothered for him and he was always wondering why he could never get a girlfriend.If only he knew that not all girls cared for his money.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Sorry Visalakshi ji, I don't understand this one. Is marrying Brahmin girls a guarantee of happiness? Or vice versa, is marrying Brahmin boys a guarantee of happiness? I do agree that perhaps it may lead to less misunderstandings.

Dear Mr. Biswa,
Marriage is THE REAL gamble. Nothing and nobody can assure a happy married life. But as you have rightly pointed out, when the disparities and differences are smaller in number, the adjustment is so much easier after the wedding.
Otherwise it will be the classical case of a
"cuckoo in the nest of a crow".
Please think it over!
with best wishes,
Mrs. V.R.

 

[B.Krishnamurthy]

IMHO,though there is a provision for talaq in Islam religion,I have not come across many cases of
breaking of marriage because of talaq.I have observed in many known families in Muslim Community(mainly among educated families)that they have only one wife and one or two children.Though I am a Hindu,I find there is lot of communication gap.Hindus do not like to know more about Muslim way of Life or Christian way of Life.
Similarly,the followers of other faiths also have many prejudices against Hindus merely on hearsay.
The problem among the followers of Hindu Religion is too many disparities in customs,rituals,procedures among different groups which makes unity among all groups almost impossible.Parents have to educate their children.While bringing up their children,Parents have to tell their children that there will be more cohesiveness
if the boy and girl from similar upbringing and culture get married as adjustments in married life will be minimal.If an educated Boy or Girl takes independent decision to marry outside his/her community or outside their religion,even the parents cannot help it.The Society has no role in individual cases.Even the initiator of this thread has lamented that Kerala Brahmana Sabha has not taken any concrete action in this regard.What KBS can do except issuing an appeal to all its members.What is most important is after marriage whether within community or IC or IR marriages the married couple should lead a happy married life
I will narrate how we hindus are ineffective as a Community.
In Delhi,most of the Hindus want to employ young girls as full time domestic help.The girls are brought to NewDelhi from BIHAR,Jharkand,Orissa and West Bengal.
Most of the agents are Christians.The commission payable to the agent which used to be Rs.3000 has now increased to Rs.18000 per girl per year.A person who provides a domestic help say 20 girls to 20 different families earns roughly Rs.3,60,000 per year.
The domestic help will work only for 11 months and again one has to approach the agency fora new girl and again pay the commission.In addition the monthly remuneration of Rs.3500 has to be paid to the girl.The girl has to be given one day holiday each month and dropped in the commission agent's house by the employer and again escorted back to the house.The Girls are not allowed to travel independently and the employer undertakes for the safety of the girl.
During 2004,I met some of the RSS leaders in New Delhi about this problem and explained to them how girls from poor families get converted to another faith.Again I brought to their notice how in convent Schools in Newdelhi(where a majority of the students are from Hindu Community) are given a Bible and to read the same on a day to day basis.My grand
daughter often says about Jesus and what is written in Bible.RSS leaders just listened
and to this date no Hindu individual or organisation is prepared to bring Girls from
these states to help many Hindu families where both husband and wife are employed.
What I find that we,Hindus only talk and talk but do not act in a constructive way.
There is no point in lamenting.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

VR Ji you are extremely knowledgable. I totally agree with you.

Dear Mr. Saiyeen,

I usually keep my eyes and ears wide open and mouth shut tight!.

So I have learned more about the working of human minds, than those who speak more and listen less.

My own son has married a Malaysian girl. She is a pure vegan and worships Budhdha.

Yet I have watched the number of adjustments he has to make and the level of tolerance expected of him.

Since it is his own choice, he does not complain! Yet as a mother I realize the amount of sacrifices and adjustments involved in keeping such a marriage successful and happy.

So what will the number and nature of adjustments involved in a wedding between a vegetarian & non vegetarian or
people who believe in different religions and Gods?

I have heard this incident related by one of my illustrious friends. Her brother who is a staunch Iyengar married an American lady.

They are happy. But still he yearns for the tasty "puliyodhara" prepared by his mother, when he was young and wonders whether he had chosen the right bride!

with best wishes and regards,
Mrs. V. R.

 

[MANOJ SIVAN]

NAMASTE,

There is one young Swamiji by name Swami Chidanandapuri. Swamiji is working hard to awaken Hindus in kerala through his speeches. During his speech 4 years ago itself swami told that there is plan among "muslims' to seduce non-muslim girls to Islam as they do not know any thing about their religion. Always during his speeches Swami told Hindus to be vigilant.




Swamiji's ashrama is Advaitha Ashrama, Kolathur, Kozhikode.


visit:advaithashramam.org or visit Swami Chidanandapuri (in face bOOK)

 

[renuka]

Dear Mr. Saiyeen,

I usually keep my eyes and ears wide open and mouth shut tight!.

So I have learned more about the working of human minds, than those who speak more and listen less.

My own son has married a Malaysian girl. She is a pure vegan and worships Budhdha.

Yet I have watched the number of adjustments he has to make and the level of tolerance expected of him.

Since it is his own choice, he does not complain! Yet as a mother I realize the amount of sacrifices and adjustments involved in keeping such a marriage successful and happy.

So what will the number and nature of adjustments involved in a wedding between a vegetarian & non vegetarian or
people who believe in different religions and Gods?

I have heard this incident related by one of my illustrious friends. Her brother who is a staunch Iyengar married an American lady.

They are happy. But still he yearns for the tasty "puliyodhara" prepared by his mother, when he was young and wonders whether he had chosen the right bride!

with best wishes and regards,
Mrs. V. R.

That way I can say that your son is a bit better off than my brother.
Cos in your sons case since his wife is a Buddhist your son didnt have to convert.
My brother chose a muslim malay and its compulsory to convert to Islam here if one intends to marry a muslim.

I have seen the tears of my parents but now they have just accepted the fact that they can only guide their kids and the final decision is not in our hands.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

I have seen people declare happily that they / their son / their brother have married a brahmin girl.

It sounds like a prize catch from their happy tone.

But I am yet to see a brahmin parent declare proudly that his /her daughter has married a muslim or christian.

If ever they speak about it, it will be with copious tears, utter shame and a feeling of helplessness.

 

[sarang]

perhaps only those who live in Kerala and Karnataka realize how serious the problem is, as the news is covered by the vernacular media and largely ignored by the mainstream media. Yesterday I posted a message with a quote of former kerala cm, Achudananadan, but the message has vanished in the cyber space. May be the fault is mine, I closed the page without pressing the post button.

namaste,

Brahmins are naturally cowards. My aged parents are telling me not to speak any thing about "love Jihad" and such other matters otherwise my life would be in danger. This is also another reason why parents are keeping quiet even if their daughters go with "muslims" . The "muslim" husbands are treated with utmost respect and parents also give lot of money and help to please them. This is the truth.

As you all know "minority communities" are ruling over the majority. They are united. haj subsidy (crores or rupees ) are given, for madrasa education government is giving crores, for education of muslim's government is giving schlorship, educational institutions, hospitals are all sanctioned to them. they have become financially very stronger.

Even terrorists are treated with respect because they belong to muslim community and are not punished.

Even our village temples are taken over by government. the funds are going to government treasury - and given to so called minorities. what is government giving to "higher class Hindus"?

this is what is happening in our secular country. so it is better to keep quiet.

pranams

manoj sivan, palakkad

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

That way I can say that your son is a bit better off than my brother.
Cos in your sons case since his wife is a Buddhist your son didnt have to convert.
My brother chose a muslim malay and its compulsory to convert to Islam here if one intends to marry a muslim.

I have seen the tears of my parents but now they have just accepted the fact that they can only guide their kids and the final decision is not in our hands.

Dear Renu,

I believe that God places a software in EACH of us (when we are born) as to how our future should take shape.

In spite of all that we say, teach and inculcate in our children, the final decision IS in their hand and not in ours!

The reason ... we still believe that a person must be the master of his own destiny!

with best wishes and regards,
V.R.

 

[sarang]

Recent cases I know personally. All are educated and well to do.
A divorced iyer lady with two daughters; one settled in USA and fell for a pakistani muslim; the wedding wedding took place in pakistan and the mother a couple of relatives went to pakistan, were dazzled by the opulence and luxury of the groom's parents. The girl may wear anything in US, but has to wear traditional dress in pakistan. The second fell in love with a mumbai muslim, married and now settled as a devout muslim, completely relinquishing her former mod dresses and attitudes.
The daughter of a typical iyer couple, company executives, religious, devout, and upper middle class, married a muslim; the parents could only arrange a reception as there was no wedding our style. They are not happy and have withdrawn into a shell.

Of course, many may know that Usha Uthup, the pop singer was born as an iyer. She is now a devout christian. In one of the tv interviews, she waxed eloquent on how tolerant she was, and why the freedom to choose one's religion must be left to the individual, she showed her colour at the end of the program when talking about her children. "I have baptised them, they can't grow without religion". Nothing more to be said.

Despite assurances to the contrary, I believe all (both boys and girls) who marry to muslim or christian partners, lose their hindu identity. There may be exceptions, but hard to find.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sarang,

Despite assurances to the contrary, I believe all (both boys and girls) who marry to muslim or christian partners, lose their hindu identity. There may be exceptions, but hard to find.​

Believe me you are 100% right.The Hindu always loses out.The most liberal Christian or Muslim will one day wake up saying they had seen the light and heard the call from God and impose their Rajya in the house at the expense of the Hindu.

The Hindu will just have to go along and sing "all religions are the same..God is One" just to cover up.

I still like what my son told me when he was aged 6 when I was teaching him about religion and God.
He said "Amma God might be One but Religions are different"

I just hope he grows up and marries a Hindu.I can only hope but not enforce.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renu,

I believe that God places a software in EACH of us (when we are born) as to how our future should take shape.

In spite of all that we say, teach and inculcate in our children, the final decision IS in their hand and not in ours!

The reason ... we still believe that a person must be the master of his own destiny!

with best wishes and regards,
V.R.

You are right..thats why Lord Krishna said "Karmanyevaadhikaraste Maa Phaleshu Kadacana".

Thats why I believe I will just do my duty as a wife and mother and what ever will be will be.Its not in my hands to know the destiny of even myself or my son.