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Christian Evangelism & Conversion Among Brahmins

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Religious Conversions

Thank you for the time you have spent in reading through my views. I also would like to add some thoughts to your views on critics to our religion.

When any one from the general public criticizes a genuine scientists' findings, the scientist either ignores it or has an apt scientific reply which would justify his findings.

However, when our religion faces the critics' wrath, there is seldom a calm and sure response. The response is either one of anger or one which dilutes the topic and leads to further mud-slinging.

By cultivating spiritual prowess in each one from the community and religion, we would get the ability to respond calmly and surely. Of course everyone would not be able to do so. But, at least a few will and can do it.

Many times, even children find it difficult to get answers from their own parents about why certain customs or rituals are followed in Hinduism. Mostly the reply is very discouraging for the child. This eventually leads to a mis-conception that the custom or ritual is a mere superstition.

The child on reaching adulthood has very less reason to defend itself when encountered with questions, ridicule and marketing to convert them to another religion.

By developing spiritual prowess in ourselves, we would be able to guide and answer questions to the next generation. Thus, even inculcating the great culture of our religion which would empower the child when it reaches adulthood.

Most conversions are a result of something missing in the convert. The missing thing may be conviction due to lack of knowledge on ones' own religion, poverty due to lack of education, social ostracism. And sometimes a greedy or crooked mind which wants to gain material or social gains by getting converted. Let us forget about people with the greedy and crooked mind. Let us focus on the other ones' who deserve to get a better deal.

The idea is to empower all and allow them to defend themselves and their religion, rather than just a few people lobbying for the larger cause.
 
Yes. Fortunately, we have the advantage of technology now, the internet. Let there be posts on explaining why we do certain rituals and what are the significance of these. Nowdays, the schools are focussed on training the kids about our culture and tradition (ofcourse, missionary schools exempted). This is a good sign.

Let us encourage our children to ask more questions and if we do not know the answers, let us find out collectively. This site would be a great knowledge-repository for such search.

Let us begin!
 
Knowledge sharing

That is exactly the reason why I myself registered to this forum. Sharing of thoughts and learning people's view on our religion, culture and tradition. Internet proves to be an effective way of communication these days. And vedic patashalas are a difficult reach for many, though they would like to learn the essence of these.
 
I am a new member :) , and here are my thoughts.
I agree that hindus are the most hospitable/embracing/adaptable among all communities.

I also want to tell u Brahmins are the most intellectual community , all top poisitions are occupied by us without reservation :) , so people are trying to get us converted, have reservation policies to stop us from growing etc.

Come what may , we still are holding and moving fast ahead.

Lakshmi
 
Conversion

When religious leaders indulge in conversion,i wonder what exactly are they trying to convert people from ? to ?.Sanathana Dharma,in my definition,constitutes,Eternal Righteous Conduct.This eternal laws are prevalent in all known religions existing today,with different permutation and combinations,of religious methodologies.Each religion has a "Ishta Devata" or Personal Diety of worship.And each vociferously chants,guards...etc his personal god.Can a infinite god become a finite entity?Avatara Purushas/Purushis have been avataring for eons and propagating love of god.But its human nature to become jealous,selfish,divisive...so much so gods itself have become a product to proselytise,thereby ensure secured feeling of comfort zone forever.Each religious leaders adapt and adopt different methods of proselytising,which varies in degrees of comparison.IMHO.
sb
 
When religious leaders indulge in conversion,i wonder what exactly are they trying to convert people from ? to ?.Sanathana Dharma,in my definition,constitutes,Eternal Righteous Conduct.This eternal laws are prevalent in all known religions existing today,with different permutation and combinations,of religious methodologies.Each religion has a "Ishta Devata" or Personal Diety of worship.And each vociferously chants,guards...etc his personal god.Can a infinite god become a finite entity?Avatara Purushas/Purushis have been avataring for eons and propagating love of god.But its human nature to become jealous,selfish,divisive...so much so gods itself have become a product to proselytise,thereby ensure secured feeling of comfort zone forever.Each religious leaders adapt and adopt different methods of proselytising,which varies in degrees of comparison.IMHO.
sb


I have seen you, bala, in many places in this forum saying you are devoted to the Kanchi madam and its spiritual gurus. However, have never resorted to saying they are the only gurus.

Conversion is normally resorted to by a person or a group of people only when they have no real depth of knowledge of what their own spiritual leader or religion taught them.

The converted is normally a person who again has no real depth of knowledge of one's own spirituality and spirituality of one's own religion.
 
>> However, have never resorted to saying they are the only gurus.<<

For this,i will try to explain.By nature i am very curious.I like to know how things work.How things can be made better.I am basically casteless in nature,but i know differences exist,with its various other nomenclatures of todays scientific world.I think our gurus are aslo scientific.

I am like a bull,tied to my Kula Gurus,in Kanchi Mutt,having a extra-ordinary long rope to graze around the world.When it comes to Bhagavan Sathya Sai Baba,Ammachi...etc i get transported in realms,that is sublimal in nature.

:) sb :)
 
A Number of orthodox ,well educated, economically poor Brahmin families around Tiruchirappalli,in 19 th Century got converted to Christianity-- like the families of Prof.Thomas Srinivasan,Prof.Stephen Kittu,Prof.Lawrence Sundaram,prof.Dr.Rev Fr .Rajam(he became a hindu?)-author of Text book Of Nuclear Physics--Prof .Rev.Fr.Balam--(others were Tamil brahmins-Fr.Balam was Telugu brahmin of Tamil Nadu)--I do not know whether there were conversions in 20 th Century among Tamil brahmins.Prof.Thomas Srinivasan used to give excellent lectures on Acharya SANKARA'S Adwaitha vedhantha.They were all teaching faculty of St.Joseph College,Tiruchi and I had the fortune of studying under some of them.
 
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This conversion itself is a misnomer.All religions existing today are born out of Sanathana Dharma only from a place called Bharatham aka India.Since the geographical maps have changed now,people have forgotten or re-written history to suit vested interest.

When Lord Krishna says to Arjuna,that he will reincarnate every millenium after millenium.i used to wonder about that verse.But suddenly like a flash,it dawned into my being,that Israel or Nazareth and Mecca & Medina ...as well as countless countries of today,were part of Bharatham.Either directly or indirectly.

In effect this conversion of today is,trying to influence an Ishta Devata to another Ishta Devata.For this people are willing to die,tell lies,commit murder...etc.

Only a very tall spiritual leader of our times,should be able to put this message,in proper perspective and educate people of their spiritual illiteracy.

sb
 
Sri s007bala Ji,

Two questions. I would really appreciate if you would answer them directly, so I can understand where you are coming from:

1. How do you know that 'Sanatana Dharma' existed everywhere? More importantly, how do you know that it spread from Bharath?

2. Do you think that 'Sanatana Dharma' is practiced today in India?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
KRS
 
Dear Silverfrox, Karunanidhi always a selffish person.He will useany type of Platform for his personel use and make money.f.e. During KalanedhiMaran's marrage reception he said that we the politiesan's try to bring Kaveri to tamilnadu and not get it, but kalanedhi was bring Kavari to tamilnadu so easy by marreage. Also I wanted say that Aryan means "the Guru" or "The Leader", or "Moral Teacher" in So Many Tamil scriptures using this word on the above meaning.
 
>>1. How do you know that 'Sanatana Dharma' existed everywhere? More importantly, how do you know that it spread from Bharath?

2. Do you think that 'Sanatana Dharma' is practiced today in India?<<

Shri KRS

For your first point about Sanathana Dharma existing all over the world,i inferred from Bhagavath Gita,as how Lord Krishna convey's the message to Shri Arjuna.The beauty of Gita is,everytime when i read it with devotion,the Lord,gives divine insights,hitherto unknown to me.

For your second point,Bharatham aka India,is definitely championing Sanathana Dharma Virtues,solidly.This i am saying in comparison to the life,37 years in India and 10 years in USA.Majority Cauc-Asian/African-Americans/... practice Christanity as their Ishta Devata,and a minority people of Indian origin practice what is today known as Hinduism.

One small difference in my thinking.I define Sanathana Dharma,consisting of all religions in the world,as it exists today,unlike the popular version of Hinduism only.I figured out,that evry religion known or unknown to humanity,is only a dereivative of Sanathana Dharmas Shad Darshanas,with itty bitty modifications,to suit the regional interests.

sb
 
Dear sri sb ji,

Now I understand where you are coming from. It makes sense.

However, the issue with Islam and most of Christianity is not that their Gods fall in to the Ishta Daivatha category. It is their insistence that their Daivatha MUST be the Kula Daivatha for all in the world! If they do not try to convert, then there is no problem.

Regards,
KRS
 
SB!

Vedic religion is a bit different isn't it. To us there is ONLY GOD in the rivers,mountains, trees , stones , idols,mother father,guru , in various forms... ad infinitum and so we can invoke HIM and pray to him,

We also associate a particular diety for a particular result like Goddesses Saraswati - for learning and communication etc...

We see life in all and personifcations - like - Ganges,Tulsi ,Bhuma devi, Ashta Dhik balakas for space, Vayu, Agni, Varuna all are god to us and we can pray for a particular result. We see the Chetana Sambhandam (intelligent -relation) in all. Nothing is inert to us - SARVAM SHIVA MAYAM.

We see Almighty as ALMIGHTY , Omni-Present as OMNI-PRESENT. That's why we couldn't see social and religion as different entities to us it is all HIM in HIS various glories - When this ORDER is not recognised then there is chaos as you see now.

We don't prison GOD in some remote corner of SPACE and live here a wanton life.
We RECOGNISE HIS PRESENCE in ALL and live accordingly.

So we don't go and tell - Dalits , Tribes or natives of any religion to change themself and put up some show to proove THEMSELVES. We don't pull down anybody, we accept everybody as they are.

This Kind of beauty , understanding - does the neo-religion have? No , what they have is complete intolerance - One church member cannot see the other church member - this is reality my dear - they are in one big marketing campaign. the more the numbers - they think they are better off. They are afraid of being small - they know some big communities will swallow them - so they woo , market and commercialise the spiritual product.

Completely different my dear...

Regards
 
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>>It is their insistence that their Daivatha MUST be the Kula Daivatha for all in the world! If they do not try to convert, then there is no problem.<<

Shri KRS

What is written in Bible or Quran,is being mis-interpreted to suit vested interest.Did Lord Jesus Christ say to divide as Catholics,Protestants,Pentacostal.....etc or Prophet Mohd say divide as Shias & Sunnis,wahhabbis,ahmediyas,........etc its all vested interest which did all this golmaal.A true believer will shun,such classifications and pray to the lord directly.

In fact my theory is,especially after inferring from Bhagavath Gita,the map of old india extended way beyond,as to what is being portrayed now.Therefore Jesus,Moses,Abraham,Prophet Mohd,all were born in the territory of bhartham and were inspired from sanathana dharma teachings only.Though i do not have the spiritual authority nor the vivekam to establish that Abraham is our Brahmaa only.May have even reincarnated.How many hindus,will even think,like how i am proposing.I will get sound beatings in my buttocks only,knowing my herd of people.

sb
 
007 bala:-For your second point,Bharatham aka India,---

Bharatham is beyond present day India.Afganisthan(Khaandar,from where sri.Khaandhaari,Sakuni maama come from),Pakistan,Bangala desh all come under Akhanda Bhaaratham
 
MM:-Vedic religion is a bit different isn't it. To us there is ONLY GOD

To us there is Only ONE Brahmam(Eka Eva Brahmam Satyam-Param naasthi).Brahmam is Niraakaaram,Niraamayam,Nirgunam,Nirbhedam(Indivisible)--G-O-D=GOD((Eeswara) is one pedestal below Brahmam, because GOD is described to be Sagunam.Brahmavadhins argue,though Sagunam is desirable,still it is an attribute(Gunam).According to sri.Bhagavad Geetha Sagunam comes from Madhura Rasam--once the concept of Rasam comes,then the concept of Aahaaram,Prasadham(anabolites),Kitta(Amayam-catabolites) all should come.But Brahmam is Niraamayam.So Brahmam can not be GOD--Brahmam should be one pedestal above God.The concept of God is predominant only in Semetic religions.In Vaideeki Religion(a.k.a Hinduism) Brahmam is the pivot.Acharya SAANKARA SAYS only Brahmam alon e exists.Semetic religions has no equivalent concept,except a passing reference about "Spirit".There is no seperate literature about "Spirit".But there are 564 terse aphorisms(Sutram) about Brahmam and there are 12 to 14 Glosses(Bhaashyam) by Intellectual giants of gargantuan dimensions.The whole subject is called Vedhaantha.
 
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Shri Somayaji

I am 120% sure,that India's border included Egypt,Israel,Mecca,Medina,Russian Territory,Caucasus Mountain Region....etc.Some of the Native American practices,Mayan Civilisations...etc have an eerie resemblance to Sanathana Dharma culture.I am not saying being ruled by Sanathana Dharma rulers.But the influence is distinct.That is why i infer,that todays religions of the world,have a un-mistakable stamp of Sanathana Dharmas 12 schools of doctrines imbibed either directly or indirectly.Our Kshatriya Dharmam led us to our downfall,and today India is wee wee bit of its glorious past.

sb
 
somayaji!

GOD is defined as MayaSahitam Brahma - So GOD is all. Bramham is the base for all.
God in a way is onestep more than bramham. But if you dvelve deeply there is no difference.

One can safely say GOD is ALL. I see no conflict here.

Thanks
 
>>This Kind of beauty , understanding - does the neo-religion have? No , what they have is complete intolerance - One church member cannot see the other church member - this is reality my dear - they are in one big marketing campaign. the more the numbers - they think they are better off. They are afraid of being small - they know some big communities will swallow them - so they woo , market and commercialise the spiritual product.

Completely different my dear...<<

M M

From your perspective it appears to be true what you write.But,When Lord Jesus or Prophet Mohd or Lord Abraham were alive and preaching,they codified Sanathana Dharma ie eternal conduct only.Its only values like speaking the truth,not stealing,not having pre-marital sex,having one wife......etc such values to realise higher consciouness of life,so that an individual will vibrate in resonance with god.God is not some individual with a sepearate place and region far away from us.We all live within god with god inside of us.Its a simple message,yet for eons people have got their thongs all tied up.

sb
 
bala!

i assume you didn't read their theology.

what you say are basic human values, tribals or culture unexposed to any formal reglious system - appreciate and live with some of those values.
so we have marraige ceremony in those cultures also. having one wife .... is your own invention.

religion comes in to picture for after life security.

regards
 
M M

Ya i read all that.My conscious is geared to integrating not differentiating.So,all the time wrack my puny brain.But its a total futile exercise,becoz people have been corrupted by asurans/asuris.Only Kalki Avataram will redeem all.

sb
 
thithi - pillaigal thane - namma ellam sagotharargal. ethukku poi asaralama. namma sollartha sollinde eruppom. eppavavathu ava mandaikkum ettum.
 
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