Chinese home first aid for stroke

[renuka]

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i always wonder, why majority of the 'nobel prizes for medicine' are grabbed by the chemists/biologists but rarely by the physicians or nightingales?

Becos physicians and nurses are into treating patients and chemist and biologist are into research.

 

[praveen]

@mahakavi

Before this really really goes out of hand, can we put an end to this madness. The last thing i would need is one member, who thinks he is doing a service, by pointing out things and assumes he is privileged to do something.

I am not going to bend backwards and accomodate each and every request of yours.
This will be my final participation in this thread.

Now, what is it that you want, who are you and why are you here?
Because your actions indicate you are here to cause trouble. And that is something which we do not need. We have lots in our plates already and the last thing we need is someone with a mission to create trouble. You are not willing to let go of things and rather you are simply going on and on and on and on.

 

[praveen]

The poster is hereby warned not to escalate this

The same applies to the one threatening legal action. There is no need to escalate this because this is a silly matter and a very trivial one. This resembles 2 kids fighting.

 

[Raji Ram]

..........So the unedited messages are all safely stored in my archives for legal action.

Your name suggests that poetry is your forte! But, instead of writing good songs, you mock Sri Papanasam Sivan's song,

which is very popular in Carnatic music and blog it in this forum! And you talk about legal action against others! Very strange, Sir!

 

[renuka]

When I was attending the conference there was a talk on the Nature of Addiction.

The speaker a Psychologist(not a doctor but a person with a masters degree in Psychology and Addiction Therapy) mentioned that none of us humans are born with a higher chance to be an addict.

He said there is no Fatalism in the case of addition.

I feel this is where medical science differs from religious philosophy and lose out to a certain extent.

Religious philosophy takes into account our previous birth impressions brought forward(known as Vasanas) which might make a person more susceptible to certain addictive behaviors and tendencies.

I know it is hard to actually find out what are our vasanas but as time goes on we ourselves are our own judge.

Medical science is also finding out if certain types of addictive behaviors have biochemical markers in the brain that is changes in neurotransmission observed in individuals that might make them stand a higher risk in developing addictive behavior.

If we look at it from the religious philosophical aspect we can say that previous birth vasanas might have left the imprint of the mind on to the brain and increased the risk of the person for such behavior by some alteration in the brain biochemistry???

We might not really know?

I was watching a movie yesterday "Insidious" where a young child falls from a ladder and goes into a coma.
Later a paranormal investigator says that the child is actually NOT in a Coma but rather the astral body of the child is trapped in a different realm and can't make an entry into the body.

The child has been a habitual astral traveler capable of astral travel and projection and this time he was not able to make an entry and is caught in a different realm.

I was thinking that this might sometimes explain why some patients have no reason to be in a coma yet are in a comatose state.

May be a severe accident makes the person astral travel in the lucid interval of consciousness and unconsciousness and the person gets "lost" in another realm and fails to find his/her way back to the physical body.

I am sure many of us have had dreams where we are flying into different places and visit some places frequently in our dreams and sometimes suddenly get forcibly thrown back on the bed and we might feel that we fell right through the bed.

May be to a certain extent all of us have the latent capacity to astral travel and are actually not aware of it.


Sometimes even dreams are indicative of the future.

When I was 18 years old..I remember having a dream where I see a boy aged less than 5 drawing the picture of a sun wearing dark glasses.
I asked the boy in the dream "why is the sun wearing dark glasses"
The boy replied me "becos it's too hot and even the sun can't stand it's own heat"

In 2004 I saw my son(aged 4 then) drawing a pic of a sun wearing dark glasses and I asked him "why is the sun wearing dark glasses"
and my son replied "becos it's too hot and even the sun can't stand it's own heat"

Then I remembered the dream I had in 1988(when I was 18 years old) and I realized only then that the boy in my dream looked just like my son.
I had a dream in 1988 and in 2004 the dream became a reality.

There are actually many interesting twists and turns to the human mind and capability if we only allow medical science and philosophy to meet.

 

[ShivKC]

best thing to do is to delete the thread (not just close it)

 

[renuka]

best thing to do is to delete the thread (not just close it)

Closing the thread is fine and good enough..deleting it won't be a good idea as all forms of feedback are welcomed and further more it is actually not even a big deal to start with.

 

[Raghy]

best thing to do is to delete the thread (not just close it)

Sri. Shiv, Greetings.

Once you commented to me " diplomatic as always!". I was not that diplomatic, were I? truth is, I was a porukki. in fact, porukki in Vellore, North arcot. ( I lived in one of the nearby villages). Thandal porukki in the Vellore market used to greet me and move away. I was always honest; always a porukki. I showed in this thread, I am a human being, not a robot.

So, when you commented "diplomatic as always" i was kind of laughing to myself. Sorry Shiv, I never was diplomatic.

Cheers!

 

[sarang]

Instead of letting a few drops of blood of the emergency stroke patients as first aid, discussions have dripped a bucket of blood.

Blood letting is a good practice in some occasions like snake bite, scorpion sting, pus filled wounds and in those cases recommended in ayurveda.

It is a good idea to carry a lancet (with cap intact) or a hungry leech as the victorian doctors or our danwantri did.

There was a boy in our class who used to get epileptic fits every few months. The first aid routine was well known to all of us - rest him on the floor, hold his hands and feet so the he doesn't injure himself, and then make him grip an iron piece (key or door bolt); he became normal in a few minutes and carried on as usual. Even today holding of iron piece is a standard first aid act for 'fits' patients. No one calls emergency medical services; the patient fully recovers after about 30 minutes.

 

[ShivKC]

Sri. Shiv, Greetings.

Once you commented to me " diplomatic as always!". I was not that diplomatic, were I? truth is, I was a porukki. in fact, porukki in Vellore, North arcot. ( I lived in one of the nearby villages). Thandal porukki in the Vellore market used to greet me and move away. I was always honest; always a porukki. I showed in this thread, I am a human being, not a robot.

So, when you commented "diplomatic as always" i was kind of laughing to myself. Sorry Shiv, I never was diplomatic.

Cheers!

sh.raghy, I was an avid follower of your posts for quite long time (though dont respond much), as much i enjoyed savoring posts of sh,kunjuppu/Brahmanyan/Yamaka/Nara etc, though they were on the other side of the river.

For long years, i know you were/are indeed quite diplomatic, i bet. there is no second thoughts about my claim. but then, i should be frank, this recent issues was not of good taste, though i dont want to judge on this.

matter of fact, you were the best fire fighter, when ever fires and flames shot up. and you were quite diplomatic in bringing in peace there. another person, who was a good fire fighter was sh.kunjuppu.

but sad to see, you and sh.mahakavi had become forest-fire lighters, and people are in situation to dial 103, though no one has attempted except praveen. OR may be in a situation singing the famous billy joels song, in front of praveen ' We did'nt start the fire!!".. That's paining me here, cos i respect both of you, and you shouldnt be in such a situation!!

having said that, i also enjoyed sh.mahakavi's posts. his blogs were indeed amazing, and i have gone through every one of his blogs, though i havent shared my comments in there. but too good. no one had posted such a nice blogs , as far as i know.

i couldnt figure out your medical discussions, cos the last time i studied biology was in +2 and drifted my studied to engg from our country's numero uno institute. so i am handicapped in understanding your discussions, though i can make our something through google and refreshing my schooldays biology..


but from a distant, i bet, sh.mahakavi's knowledge is quite great, i admit and definitely much a learned and experienced person, which i can sense. I had even googled a lot through his recommended book on 'stroke'..... very informative, cos my father in law is a stroke patient, and now my wife is on the job of reading those info.

im not here to judge..


one should not provoke elders, though I know and i bet, sh.ragi, you are indeed a matured person with you son recently getting married in the city where I live. I know im not eligible to advice any one here, cos i am yet to reach that stage, and just being happy to spend time with the wife, and 6 & 2 yr old kids.

i'm not as tall as both of you.but i felt the pain.. two people who could have glorified this place sharing their thoughts, had made the blood to follow. i am not here to advice both, and not to judge at all.

both share the wrong, but both are more valuable to me at this moment and both are super stars in their own way to the forum, right now, cos, some of the superstars whom i can say, who are better than both of you, are not to be seen.

please sh.Raghy and sh.Mahakavi, 'lets burry the hatchet' and move on..

i admit, on the back of my mind, it tells me to tilt the balance in favour of Mahakavi, and I admit which im in to it, towards his wide knowledge.. but then, love equally matter a lot, which makes me to fall in love with sh.ragy.

so, whats the conclusion..

as the saying goes, 'i want to have the cake and eat it too'

i need both, to be active, fight tooth and nail, and i will join the winning side, but without any blood shed..

sh.raghy uncle, wont you be diplomatic here? sh.Mahakavi uncle, than the brawl, i am longing see the grandeur display of your brain works.

my love to both of my well admired Uncles!! Cheers

 

[prasad1]

ShivKC,
Now you are trying to be diplomatic, no I will say you are sitting on the fence.
I have had my differences with Mr. Raghy, and Mr. Mahakavi.
But there is only one person who is bullying and threatening on the site, and its owner. That is silly, and at the same time scary.
In USA it is easy to file a civil suit, it just costs $15.00. It will be heard in a court. If you do not defend it there can be an ex-parte judgement against you, and that can be collected.
Mr. Raghy by his own admission is not a saint, but has his points. Mr. Mahakavi sitting in USA, is telling Mr. Raghy how to do his job in Australia, and that too not very politely.
When you judge a situation you do have to be impartial, nothing else should matter, except for the facts before you regarding that matter.


Personally I would have loved to see Mr. Mahakavi taking it to his son-in-law. I can imagine the fun the son-in-law will have in his office next day. Calling someone a four letter word is not a cause for liability lawsuit. Then the question of jurisdiction, collection etc comes in.

 

[mahakavi]

Your name suggests that poetry is your forte! But, instead of writing good songs, you mock Sri Papanasam Sivan's song,

which is very popular in Carnatic music and blog it in this forum! And you talk about legal action against others! Very strange, Sir!

Hello,
You don't get my point. If you are talking about the monkey/crocodile song (mudalaik kaNNeer), I was using the format of Sivan to do a humorous song about the fable of crocodile and monkey. Since I was using the structure of Sivan's "amba nee irangAyenil.." I said "with apologies to Sivan". Nothing more to it. Have you heard of "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"?

While you think this song is a mockery of Sivan, you do not mention even one word about the tribute I paid to Sivan in the song titled "pApanAsan Sivanukku Or pugazh mAlai". There again I followed the structural format of SuddAnanda BhArathi hence I put a note there "with apologies to SuddAnanda BhArathi'

Strange indeed, madam!

 

[Raghy]

Sri. Shiv, Greetings.

sh.raghy uncle, wont you be diplomatic here?

I did not want a fight. I just wanted to move away. Kindly read the posts; they are there for everyone, every person who advocates and advices decorum in the forum to see. I wanted to move away not jusyt once, but few times. Anyone can see the fight was shoved down my throat. There is a fine line between a diplomat and a whimp. You say you loved reading my posts for a long time; why? there was an element of decency and also fire in my messages. Had I been writing whimpish messages, would you be saying the same thing about my messages? A person with vast knowledge will retract when the opponent says " okay, I want to with draw!'. But was that the case? I kept saying I did not want to prove any point! It is a pity you can't see I was stalked in to this situation.

By now you may have realised I speak the truth. Yes, I am an elderly person. I have no need to gain respect from anyone. I don't have to impress anyone. I am absolutely happy to sit by and watch the world pass by. When I say I was a porukki when I was young, yes, I was. I am not a saint; never claimed I was a saint; never wanted to be saint. I am bad and loves to stay that way too. I pour my heart in every message I wrote, not to impress anyone. So, i did not like it too much when I was stalked and a fight was shoved down my throat. I am not writing all these to impress you either. There is one more side to the story unfolded here. People should see the other side too.

I had a glorious time when I was frequenting the hard core porn sites. people were/are so decent there. In this great goody goody site, I had to go through this kind of bitter experiences; in those sites, any threatening behaviour would get a ban so fast! After the bitter experiences here, I just went back to that site tonight. After somany years, still they remembered me and came along to chat with me. I expect nothing spiritually. I don't even want to try in those lines.

Anyway, i don't want to go on and on. when I was forced to behave in an undiplomatic fashion, I remembered your comment that you made in the past. I just wanted to show you I remembered that comment, but I am not all that diplomatic. That why I interacted with you. You are very welcome to judge me.

Cheers!

 

[ShivKC]

Diplomacy in general does not resolve conflicts. Wars end not due to peace process, but due to one side giving up.. that's was said by daniel pipes.

and history has always been partial, that it had recorded only those person, who gave up, for want of peace.

what else can i say, other than asking the originator of this thread sh.brahmanyan to share his opinion!!


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[prasad1]

In the major fight, Mr. Sarang tried to inject this piece of misinformation.

There was a boy in our class who used to get epileptic fits every few months. The first aid routine was well known to all of us - rest him on the floor, hold his hands and feet so the he doesn't injure himself, and then make him grip an iron piece (key or door bolt); he became normal in a few minutes and carried on as usual. Even today holding of iron piece is a standard first aid act for 'fits' patients. No one calls emergency medical services; the patient fully recovers after about 30 minutes.

There is a program in US on TV on the science channel which routinely debunks this kind of bunkum.

One common belief; especially prevalent in the rural areas, is that a person with epilepsy believed to be possessed by an evil spirits during the attack. Epilepsy is a medical condition and such persons are to be taken to a qualified doctor and not to faith healers or sorcerers for treatment.


Another common belief is that epilepsy is contagious. But this is far from the truth, epilepsy is not contagious and there is no harm in touching a patient who is having a seizure to help him.


When a person is having a seizure there is no requirement of pressing an iron key or any object between his fingers or thrusting it between his teeth to stop the seizure. The only requirement is removing all dangerous, sharp objects in the vicinity which can injure the person. One must not try to restrain a person when he is having a seizure. This will not stop the seizure and may prove dangerous for the both the patient and the person restraining him by causing injury. Water/food should not be given to the person till the seizure passes off. After the seizure, the person is to be placed on one side so that the tongue does not fall back and obstruct breathing. A person will rarely die from having a seizure but may be injured by nearby objects, or falling or when something is forced into his mouth.

Myths and misconceptions about Epilepsy, seizure and fits | AddressHealth Thought Leadership

According to Dr. Thomas, who is currently the Secretary of the Indian Academy of Neurology:
The Hindu : Health / Rx : Live a happy life with epilepsy

Social, cultural and legal constructions of epilepsy remain far behind advances in current medical understanding of the condition,” says Aparna. But the contribution of doctors and dedicated workers in the field is slowly taking India forward. We have come a long way from the times of smelling salts, shoe, onion or holding an iron key to treat seizures.

Another piece of misinformation

Blood letting is a good practice in some occasions like snake bite

According to medical profession:
Snakebite Treatment: First Aid Information for Snakebite

If you know the snake is not venomous, treat as a puncture wound.
1. Note the Snake's Appearance


Be ready to describe the snake to emergency staff.
2. Protect the Person


While waiting for medical help:


Move the person beyond striking distance of the snake.
Have the person lie down with wound below the heart.
Keep the person still to keep venom from spreading.
Cover the wound with loose, sterile bandage.
Do not:


Cut a bite wound
Attempt to suck out venom
Apply tourniquet, ice, or water
Give the person alcohol or caffeinated drinks
3. Follow Up


If you treat the bite at home:


Contact a health care provider. The person may need a tetanus shot. Tetanus boosters should be given every 10 years.
At the hospital, treatment will depend on the type of snake.


If the snake was venomous, the person will be given anti-venom treatment.
A tetanus shot may be given, depending on date of last injection.

According to the famous Mayo clinic:
Snakebites: First aid - MayoClinic.com

If a snake bites you


Remain calm.
Immobilize the bitten arm or leg, and stay as quiet as possible to keep the poison from spreading through your body.
Remove jewelry before you start to swell.
Position yourself, if possible, so that the bite is at or below the level of your heart.
Cleanse the wound, but don't flush it with water, and cover it with a clean, dry dressing.
Apply a splint to reduce movement of the affected area, but keep it loose enough so as not to restrict blood flow.
Don't use a tourniquet or apply ice.
Don't cut the wound or attempt to remove the venom.
Don't drink caffeine or alcohol.
Don't try to capture the snake, but try to remember its color and shape so you can describe it, which will help in your treatment.
Seek immediate medical attention, especially if the area changes color, begins to swell or is painful.

http://www.snakecell.org/about-snakebite.html
The Snake Cell – self-funded nature conservation project, is a unique natural history feature of the Tri-City (Chandigarh, Mohali, Panchkula).

8. The only remedy for venomous snakebite is the anti-venom serum, which is available at most government hospitals and public health centers. Some private nursing homes have also started stocking it and treat snakebite cases.
HOW NOT TO TREAT SNAKEBITE
1. No ice or any other type of cooling on the bite. Research has shown it to be potentially harmful.
2. No electric cable, string or rubber tourniquets to be used, this cuts off blood flow completely and may result in amputation of the affected limb.
3. No electric shock, this method is under study and has yet to be proven effective. It could harm the victim.
4. No incision in the bite site. Such measures have NOT been proven useful and causes needless additi onal injury, loss of blood, infection, waste of time.
5. Do not burn the wound, as it would not have any effect on the venom, which has already entered the bloodstream.
6. Do not suck the wound with mouth. A suction device may be applied over the bite to help draw venom out of wound without making cuts.
7. Potassium permanganate should never be used.

Mr. Sarang, I do not want to insult you. I do not believe you any older than I, but you are living in 14th century. Please read up and update your knowledge.

 

[Raghy]

Diplomacy in general does not resolve conflicts. Wars end not due to peace process, but due to one side giving up.. that's was said by daniel pipes.

and history has always been partial, that it had recorded only those person, who gave up, for want of peace.

what else can i say, other than asking the originator of this thread sh.brahmanyan to share his opinion!!


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Sri. Shiv, Greetings.

I gave up in this fight long back, my friend! I made a comment, then realised it was not appropriate, then only since I did not want to continue the differences, I went back to edit it. The pre-edited message was made public and the fight was shoved right down my throat. It is absolutly funny, this detail missed your eyes. Did I ever say I am the best in my profession any where in this forum? I did not. Actually, thee was a time I expressed my concern about the opposite! I don't need someone across the Pacific to show I don't know stuff. I already know that. Anyway, there is a thread already started seperately for didcussing about this. Judgements can be passed freely about me in that thread.

Cheers!

 

[biswa]

but sad to see, you and sh.mahakavi had become forest-fire lighters, and people are in situation to dial 103, though no one has attempted except praveen. OR may be in a situation singing the famous billy joels song, in front of praveen ' We did'nt start the fire!!"..

That summarizes the situation quite aptly. Except the fuel thrown in the fire were probably alcohol swabs.

 

[sarang]

You are again getting personal; obviously you never learn. You too deserve censure. But in future reply on the issues only and desist from making any personal comment.

Copying from the web does not add value to your output. In some universities, here in india, assignments have to be written by hand; otherwise they just copy from the net and print.

In the major fight, Mr. Sarang tried to inject this piece of misinformation.


There is a program in US on TV on the science channel which routinely debunks this kind of bunkum.


Myths and misconceptions about Epilepsy, seizure and fits | AddressHealth Thought Leadership

According to Dr. Thomas, who is currently the Secretary of the Indian Academy of Neurology:
The Hindu : Health / Rx : Live a happy life with epilepsy



Another piece of misinformation



According to medical profession:
Snakebite Treatment: First Aid Information for Snakebite




According to the famous Mayo clinic:
Snakebites: First aid - MayoClinic.com



Snakecell » About Snakebite
The Snake Cell – self-funded nature conservation project, is a unique natural history feature of the Tri-City (Chandigarh, Mohali, Panchkula).




Mr. Sarang, I do not want to insult you. I do not believe you any older than I, but you are living in 14th century. Please read up and update your knowledge.

 

[renuka]

That summarizes the situation quite aptly. Except the fuel thrown in the fire were probably alcohol swabs.

Hey Biswa,

I just remembered something important!!

You see this thread is Chinese Home First Aid and all along this "tiff" no one expressed themselves harshly in any of the Chinese Dialects.

What a waste yaar..chinese dialect words can also be power packed..ask any Malaysian!LOL

 

[sarang]

Why one should look elsewhere when we have enough in our native tongue? May be, for net-copy-paste do-gooders, this is beyond reach.
You are welcome to guide the uninitiated.

Hey Biswa,

I just remembered something important!!

You see this thread is Chinese Home First Aid and all along this "tiff" no one expressed themselves harshly in any of the Chinese Dialects.

What a waste yaar..chinese dialect words can also be power packed..ask any Malaysian!LOL

 

[prasad1]

You are again getting personal; obviously you never learn. You too deserve censure. But in future reply on the issues only and desist from making any personal comment.

Copying from the web does not add value to your output. In some universities, here in india, assignments have to be written by hand; otherwise they just copy from the net and print.

Ignorance is personal when it is kept under covers. But when you show your ignorance in the public domain, it needs to be corrected. Because misinformation can kill a human being.

 

[sarang]

Not ignorance, other views and practices, ignoramus.
Why don't you exercise your enormous intelligence to surfing, data mining and copy-pasting only, and stay away from of expressing your dumb opinions on others. I am not in a race against you on ineptitude.

Ignorance is personal when it is kept under covers. But when you show your ignorance in the public domain, it needs to be corrected. Because misinformation can kill a human being.

 

[renuka]

What do we have here?

Sarang Vs Prasad?

But this "fight" is benign...no legal consequences.
We are all ready for Round 1.

 

[renuka]

Here is your ring card girl for the match of Sarang Vs Prasad.

 

[sarang]

1. Epilepsy: From the articles referred: This is what is done normally by the people nearby and in addition get an iron piece for holding (inherited knowledge); the possibility of the patient biting his tongue is conveniently ignored. Other issues are related to myths and misconceptions and treatment. They are not all relevant to the basic issue of first aid.

When a person is having a seizure there is no requirement of pressing an iron key or any object between his fingers or thrusting it between his teeth to stop the seizure. The only requirement is removing all dangerous, sharp objects in the vicinity which can injure the person. One must not try to restrain a person when he is having a seizure. This will not stop the seizure and may prove dangerous for the both the patient and the person restraining him by causing injury. Water/food should not be given to the person till the seizure passes off. After the seizure, the person is to be placed on one side so that the tongue does not fall back and obstruct breathing. A person will rarely die from having a seizure but may be injured by nearby objects, or falling or when something is forced into his mouth.

2. Snake bite: This is really funny. Note the colour and shape of the snake.Call 911. In india it is 100, 101 and 102. Be ready to describe the snake to emergency staff.
If you know the snake is not venomous, treat is as puncture wound (chinese blood letting by snake).

What is the survival chance of a indian villager bitten by a cobra with limited access to hospital and transport? What should be the first aid?

I have to sign off now!

You are again getting personal; obviously you never learn. You too deserve censure. But in future reply on the issues only and desist from making any personal comment.

Copying from the web does not add value to your output. In some universities, here in india, assignments have to be written by hand; otherwise they just copy from the net and print.