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renuka

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I have noticed many times even in case of Dr APJ Abdul Kalam being referred to as Kalam Iyer.

This I feel is not fair to the community Dr APJ is from..that is we are not giving due credit to a person.

I have seen that Hindus tend to do this..when they meet a person from a different community or religion whom they feel is good etc..they become like an Amoeba and use their pseudopodia to enclose the person by calling him "Oh he is not like a Muslim/Christian..he is like a Hindu and give him some Hindu Pseudonym"

I feel this can be considered sort of an insult as to not to acknowledge that goodness can be present in anyone and is not the sole patented copy right of Hindus or any Hindu Subcaste.

As humans the least we can do is to recognize that goodness can exists in anyone and everyone and we might actually not even measure up to the other person.
 
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Nara

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Even true brahmins are supposed to have those qualities dear Sir!

BTW, Wahab Ji was not sporting 'kudumi' or did 'hOmams'!!
Dear Mrs. RR, you have missed my point. Renuka got it, please take a look at her post #22 above ....
 

krish44

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thanks. added to my knowledge
at best I can be a Brahmabandu as the nomenclature appeals to me feeling like a Trishanku between heaven and earth
Those Brahmin traits and practices which do not meet the needs of 21st century require to be discarded
An order based on equality and gender justice needs to emerge
I am an arm chair marxist of indian seventies
 

krish44

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Did Wahab refer to your dad as <your dad's name> sahibu because he cared for poor people, basic human dignity, etc.?
Nara ji Though I found yr comment humorous,Raji Ram ji s sentiment might be hurt. she was referring to a muslim with veg preference along with other traits identified with her caste.
hinduism has the capacity to absorb and destroy other faiths
hindus may not mind treating Kalam as a hindu due to his other traits . whether he would like to be one is another issue
 

Nara

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Nara ji Though I found yr comment humorous,Raji Ram ji s sentiment might be hurt.
Dear krish44, from what I have observed in the forum, and IMHO, Mrs. RR is a lovely person, I don't think she has a disagreeable bone in her body. But, the underlying message in her post was disagreeable. I have no doubt such a thought was far from her consciousness. However, it is our duty to dig into our subconscious and excise all the indoctrination we have all suffered.
 

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Dear krish44, from what I have observed in the forum, and IMHO, Mrs. RR is a lovely person, I don't think she has a disagreeable bone in her body. But, the underlying message in her post was disagreeable. I have no doubt such a thought was far from her consciousness. However, it is our duty to dig into our subconscious and excise all the indoctrination we have all suffered.
Every human wants to belong to a privileged class. brahmin collects his privilege due to his birth like MPs claim as peoples representatives or a child from a corporates family on the basis of his parents position and wealth.I do not want to enter into a discussion whether it is moral or not Frankly if you found her post disagreeable ,so be it. No right is conferred on you to judge and give moral judgements . To suggest digging into subconscious and advising excise of all indoctrination is unwanted and unwarranted. I wonder whether you want to become a new age guru leading us thru new paths of salvaging our soul after purging us of something we got due to accident of birth in a brahmin family
 

renuka

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Dear Krish ji,

I dont think Nara was talking about caste or targeting Brahmins in his reply.

Many people from other communities too do the same..they like to say 'Oh you are not like your caste/community you are like one of us"
This is the time where the extension of the Madhyama Anguli works best!LOL

The simple thing to remember is we need to respect anyone..by thinking that someone good is like us that shows that we do not acknowledge goodness in other communities in the sense that this must be some freak case.. and also we fail to do some self introspection.

Every tribe in this world comes with their fair share of the good,bad and ugly.

So it is hard to generalize that some tribes are good and some tribes are bad.

BTW it is considered an insult to one's mother to change the community name of a person.
 
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Nara

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... I wonder whether you want to become a new age guru leading us thru new paths of salvaging our soul after purging us of something we got due to accident of birth in a brahmin family
You may wonder whatever your mind is capable of, I don't care. Mrs. RR, a fine and gentle woman she is, said something that had an unsavory subtext. All I did was shine a light on it. If she thinks I was out of line, let her say so, and I will deal with her, you can go and jump in the nearest lake or pond you can find, LOL....
 
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Nara

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This canard that somehow good character defines who a Brahmin is, is so ingrained that even otherwise nice and reasonable people seem to accept it in a kind of default way. I beseech these otherwise reasonable folks to stop for a moment and think about what they are saying. If good character defines Brahmins, then what defines a Shudra? Folks, I am not your enemy, all I want to be is a witness to your conscience, and if that is presumptuous of me I apologize.
 

Raji Ram

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Dear Mrs. RR, you have missed my point. Renuka got it, please take a look at her post #22 above ....
:nono: Prof Sir!

Brahmins are
NOT supposed to eat non.veg. Hence my dad called him Iyer.

All others in his house were eating non.veg. OK! What is wrong to THINK that a dear friend is from our clan? :grouphug:

BTW, Renu was a bit upset when one of her dear ones married a Muslim girl, if I remember correct!
 

renuka

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BTW, Renu was a bit upset when one of her dear ones married a Muslim girl, if I remember correct!


Dear RR ji,


Well my own Great Grandmum was a Muslim who married into a Hindu family but since that happened in India and no conversion took place that made the rest of us still remaining as Hindus.

Yes..you are right..I was upset when the near and dear one married a Muslim cos I had to deal with 2 severely depressed elderly individuals... cos out here when one marries a Muslim one has to convert, and name and everything changes.

It is not like in India how Hema Malini converted to Islam for namesake to marry Dharmendra but she will be able to live and die a Hindu.

Here its different..hence people feel upset.

On a personal note I do not have anything against any religion and till today I do not try to give any Non Hindu person/Relative any Hindu Pseudonyms.

She is a good person and I never try to make her to be my clan.

So I hope you understand the difference how my mind works.
 
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Raji Ram

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Nara ji Though I found yr comment humorous,Raji Ram ji s sentiment might be hurt. she was referring to a muslim with veg preference along with other traits identified with her caste. ........
Dear Sir,

No sentiments hurt! :) In fact my dad never discriminated between his patients based on caste (FYI, he was a medical practitioner)
He was neither strictly orthodox nor visited temples daily! But he taught us to be kind to everyone and help people in need, always! :angel:
 

Raji Ram

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That is exactly why I wondered whether Wahabji ever said your dad was an honorary Muslim?
No Sir! But he liked to be called 'Wahab Iyer' by my dad! :cool:

Though me dad NEVER had an ego to be a brahmin, many of his patients called him 'sAmi'! :)
 

krish44

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I have noticed many times even in case of Dr APJ Abdul Kalam being referred to as Kalam Iyer.

This I feel is not fair to the community Dr APJ is from..that is we are not giving due credit to a person.

I have seen that Hindus tend to do this..when they meet a person from a different community or religion whom they feel is good etc..they become like an Amoeba and use their pseudopodia to enclose the person by calling him "Oh he is not like a Muslim/Christian..he is like a Hindu and give him some Hindu Pseudonym"

I feel this can be considered sort of an insult as to not to acknowledge that goodness can be present in anyone and is not the sole patented copy right of Hindus or any Hindu Subcaste.

As humans the least we can do is to recognize that goodness can exists in anyone and everyone and we might actually not even measure up to the other person.
Being born in a brahmin family ,many believe gives them the previlege to decide whether some belonging to other castes/religions can be admitted into their fold based on their food preferances and other behavioural traits and confer a title belonging to their community on them to say you are one of us. Hindu brahmins consider themself to be most holy with all the goodness in them and they look down on everyone else. It comes naturally to them . Hinduism has great capacity for absorption . Jains,buddhists have become part of the hindu religion and hindus have treated mahavira and buddha as avathars of God. Sikhs have escaped this fate so far. Muslims and christians are more rigid and do not tolerate the hindu appraoch. muslims/christians are marginilised communities in india Their fate is likely to get worse if a certain party gets political power
 

tks

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My dad had a close friend named Wahab, who was nicknamed 'mittAy thAthA' by my sisters kids. He used to visit our house every

morning to greet my dad. He did not eat non.veg stuff, smoke or drink alcohol. My dad used to refer to him as 'Wahab Iyer'! :)

This Iyer was so much attached to my dad that he was NOT alive to hear the news of the demise of my dad. He passed away the

very next day! I have written about this friendship in a literature thread.

The expression 'Wahab Iyer' by itself has neither merit or demerit associated with it.
However it can come across as a serious insult/condescending expression or just a show of respect based on where the listener's mind is.

If the various caste or race titles are how one views the world (even if they mean well) this will come across as insult.
If they truly do not have any sense of caste hierarchy in their mind this expression comes across as just an expression of brotherly love!

If the caste hierarchy is present in the mind this could come across to some as an expression of a progressive Brahmin ..

Caste and other differentiation are human imposed on human beings. One can have differentiation as a tag or identity to describe a culture which by itself is innocuous. Or the differentiation may come across as an expression of a hierarchy in which case depending on which side one is on there will be possibly strong reaction.

In other words we see the world the way we are not the way it is.

When I read this I just thought it was simply an expression of brotherly love and nothing more.
 
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renuka

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Being born in a brahmin family ,many believe gives them the previlege to decide whether some belonging to other castes/religions can be admitted into their fold based on their food preferances and other behavioural traits and confer a title belonging to their community on them to say you are one of us. Hindu brahmins consider themself to be most holy with all the goodness in them and they look down on everyone else. It comes naturally to them . Hinduism has great capacity for absorption . Jains,buddhists have become part of the hindu religion and hindus have treated mahavira and buddha as avathars of God. Sikhs have escaped this fate so far. Muslims and christians are more rigid and do not tolerate the hindu appraoch. muslims/christians are marginilised communities in india Their fate is likely to get worse if a certain party gets political power

Dear Krish ji,

I have no problems who thinks what of themselves as long they give the due respect to others and not play Ameoba Pseudopodia and try to make anyone good into their clan.

That is totally not within the scope of rational thinking anymore.
 

Raji Ram

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The expression 'Wahab Iyer' by itself has neither merit or demerit associated with it. .........
When I read this I just thought it was simply an expression of brotherly love and nothing more.
You are absolutely right Sir! My dad never thought that brahmins are in a higher level than other humans! :)
 
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