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Yenkay Brahmanan?

usaiyer

Member
This is website ,I suppose comprises mainly of members of the Brahman community hailing from different locations from
India and abroad.I am glad to be a part of it and it has helped me to know our co-members in the community
We are as per stats. a minority community ,forming about less than 5% of the TN residents.
we are very poor pretense in public life and do not enjoy an enviable social or economic status,
Many can be poor families and having struggles in daily lives.
Do we have stats about these aspects of our communities.?
Do we have a platform where the needy can express their wants and hope for betterment with community support?
What type of social problems the community members and their wards face in their day to day life?
Are their welfare attended to by the present form of associations that are there ?Is there any gap that needs ti be filled.?

I am just requesting our august members to throw light on the present status of our community and their problems as they see it?
Many of you entertaining similar views can give a proper shape to the points raised in this post to take it forward in the larger interest of the community.Thank you.
 

kannan

Member
This is website ,I suppose comprises mainly of members of the Brahman community hailing from different locations from
India and abroad.I am glad to be a part of it and it has helped me to know our co-members in the community
We are as per stats. a minority community ,forming about less than 5% of the TN residents.
we are very poor pretense in public life and do not enjoy an enviable social or economic status,
Many can be poor families and having struggles in daily lives.
Do we have stats about these aspects of our communities.?
Do we have a platform where the needy can express their wants and hope for betterment with community support?
What type of social problems the community members and their wards face in their day to day life?
Are their welfare attended to by the present form of associations that are there ?Is there any gap that needs ti be filled.?

I am just requesting our august members to throw light on the present status of our community and their problems as they see it?
Many of you entertaining similar views can give a proper shape to the points raised in this post to take it forward in the larger interest of the community.Thank you.
 

kannan

Member
As a preliminary reply to the post I wish to picturise what we are. as I understand, for information and comments from the members :

Who are we (Tamil Brahmins) ?

Dravidans – as we hail from Indian peninsula (engulfed by 3 coasts).

Tamizhans - as our mother tongue is Tamil.

Parpanars - as we were watchmen of society overseeing dharmic way of life.

Andhanars – as we also lived in the inner circle of society.

Brahmins – as we see Brah’man in everything around.

Brahmacharies – as we are disciplined students of the Vedas.

Pandits – as we learnt Vedas & Vedanatas and other holy texts.

Poor – as we were asked to live only with what others offered.

Vegetarians – as we believe in and practice ahimsa.

Trustworthy – as we speak truth.

Peaceful – as we believe and rely in God’s will and protection.

Priests - as we pray for all but not preach.

Teachers - as we shared our wisdom with others.

Dependable - as we uphold Dharma and work with honesty.

Law abiding – as we respect the law.

Gurus - as we endeavor to erase ignorance.

Indians- as we are inhabitants of the Bhaarata Desam since time immemorial.

Indian citizen – as we adore the Indian Constitution.

Secular - as we are truly religious.

Rational - as we respect others and value their views.

Conservatives - as we value and uphold traditions.

Hated - as we worked for moral discipline in the society.

Out casted – as are painted culprits for all social evils by the propagandists..

Harassed – as we are too gentle to oppose.

Envied – as are optimistic / progressive.

Targetted - as are envied for our dharmic values/opposition to corruption.

Insulted – as we regret errors / omissions.

Attacked – as we are obstacles to opportunists.

Yet Determined – as we continue to work with integrity to India & its citizens.
 

prasad1

Well-known member
Each generation has its own priorities.
I had posted this years ago.
 

prasad1

Well-known member
This is website ,I suppose comprises mainly of members of the Brahman community hailing from different locations from
India and abroad.I am glad to be a part of it and it has helped me to know our co-members in the community

True to an extent. But there are very learned members from various other communities. The site is open and the Owner of the site welcomes all communities. We have Non-Brahmins, We have Andhra Brahmins, we have had Non-believers among us.
We have had Muslims, etc. So I will be aware of it.


We are as per stats. a minority community ,forming about less than 5% of the TN residents.
we are very poor pretense in public life and do not enjoy an enviable social or economic status,
Many can be poor families and having struggles in daily lives.
Do we have stats about these aspects of our communities.?

Based on Statistics there are a total of roughly around 42.50 Lakh Brahmins (Iyers, Iyengars, Other State Brahmins) in Tamilnadu and another 29.50 Lakh Tamil/Telugu Brahmins in Other States in India and Outside India. This comes to roughly around 6.5% of the Population and Not 1%.

On a National Scale - there are around 12.80 Crore Brahmins in India belonging to various states like Maharashtra, Uttar Pradesh, West Bengal, Orissa, AP/TG etc. IN fact there are as many brahmins as there are muslims in India.(16% of Hindu Population is Brahmin)

Another fact - The RSS Leadership is 82% Brahmin and the BJP Core Members numbering 578000 across India have around 62% Brahmins.

Check out the BJP Party at the National Cadre and State Cadres:-

Jaishankar - EAM - Brahmin, Nirmala Sitharaman - FM - Brahmin, Fadnavis - Former Maha CM - Brahmin, Tanmay Mishra - Orissa Cadre - Brahmin

Tamil Brahmins have been reduced to 1.25% as per 2011 census from ~4% in 2001.

Among major caste groups, ST 1.1% and Brahmins 1.25% and Chettiyar 2% are the lowest.

Census data says: Major Religious population like Christians are 6.12%, Muslims are 5.86%, Jains are 0.12% and Buddhist 0.02%.

Tamil Nadu's total population is 7.21 crores as per 2011 census.


Do we have a platform where the needy can express their wants and hope for betterment with community support?
What type of social problems the community members and their wards face in their day to day life?
Are their welfare attended to by the present form of associations that are there ?Is there any gap that needs ti be filled.?

There are gaps in everybody's needs without question. I need a Jumbo jet. I suppose I do not understand your question.

I am just requesting our august members to throw light on the present status of our community and their problems as they see it?
Many of you entertaining similar views can give a proper shape to the points raised in this post to take it forward in the larger interest of the community.Thank you.

I hope others post their response.
Good topic of discussion.

The problem is that even among members there is no exchange of opinion.
Certain members will keep degrading others as "secular, or as "copy-paters" etc, but have not added an iota of knowledge to the group.
Then some expect a thesis to be presented to them in a platter. Then criticize the type front and not the content.
So good luck.

My answers are in purple. To be honest, my mother tongue is Tamil, and I was born to Brahmin parents.
I never lived in TN, I can barely manage Tamil (writing). My child and my nieces and nephews never learned Tamil. I am an Engineer by education (so I should be a Sudra), I am a businessman (so I suppose I am a vaisya). I never Practiced Brahminism, I do not have a caste identity, I am against violence so I suppose I am not Kshatriya either.

Sometimes I question myself as to whether I belong in this group. I have been here for a very long time and had discussions with stewards, I have learned a lot. I have battle scars to prove it.
I have met wonderful people here. I have become friends with them outside of this forum.
 
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Janaki Jambunathan

Well-known member
I never lived in TN, I can barely manage Tamil (writing). My child and my nieces and nephews never learned Tamil. I am an Engineer by education (so I should be a Sudra), I am a businessman (so I suppose I am a vaisya). I never Practiced Brahminism, I do not have a caste identity, I am against violence so I suppose I am not Kshatriya either.(#3)

You just cant shake off your caste identify ! It is birth legacy - You can't run away from it - it is shadow that follows you. You change your profession , residence even religion. Caste is ported along with you !

What are the attributes of Brahminsm that are not practiced?
 

kannan

Member
In my opinion, as long as your mother tongue is tamil, you are a tamilian.
With regards to relating the present position / profession to the caste/ status of a brahmin, it is not relevant in the present day socio economic context. However, it is often found mentioned for political reasons mostly in the adverse sense.
The attributes of a brahmin are `to be optimally sensitive to the genuine needs of the world and to advise the concened for timely action'. The hymn in Purusha Suktam `brahmanosya Mukham Asseed' indentifies brahmins as the face of the society and calls on him to see, hear and speak on behalf of all. In other words, they are the representatives of the people in all respects. The personal discipline and the vedic knowledge with them were considered necessary to discharge their duties & responsibilities. They were respected for thier virtues in the past and we conitue to hold the titles of reverance as Iyer, Iyengars, Pandits, etc.
In the current scenerio of democratic governance there is no specific role for Brahmins. However, they continue to practice regious rituals which are of no direct benefit to the society at large, particulary when the demography is changed with the presence of increasing number of people from other religions.
A study of Dharma Sastra (Manu Smriti - translated / commented by an Indian) will throw more lights on the attributes, duties and responsiblities of a Brahmin.
We can hope for more information in the posts yet to come from different quarters.


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usaiyer

Member
#7 The role of Brahmins has reversed,Instead of being the leading light of society as they were once,
they have become mostly conduits in the process of performing certain religious rituals .
Second it is doubtful if the community is aware that it has over the years allowed itself to be downgraded and no conscious or concerted attempt is there to go back .The community is weakened by its own intelligence and divisive forces and the pressure on their abilities to sustain them selves economically.
Minor points can come later ,but what is the crux of the problem? Think -tanks can help.
 
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Raman74

Active member
This article is quite self-explanatory......

‘Only Brahmins can defeat Brahminism’


Syed Firdaus Ashraf
As a student of journalism in the early 1990s, I once attended a Dalit rally where speaker after speaker spoke about the atrocities Brahmins had unleashed against the Dalit community.

After the rally, I called on my journalism guru, the venerable M V Kamath, who happened to be a Brahmin, but that fact didn’t strike me till we started discussing the rally.

‘Sir, is there Brahminical hegemony in the Indian political system?’ I asked. ‘And is it true that Brahmins made Dalits suffer for 2,000 years?’

I told him about the Dalit rally where every speaker had denounced the Brahminical hegemony.

‘Do you know who the biggest enemy of the Brahminical order is and who can defeat it?’ Mr Kamath asked.

His answer shocked me.

‘Only Brahmins can defeat Brahminical hegemony. No one else,’ Mr Kamath pointed out.

Read more at:

http://mattersindia.com/2018/01/only-brahmins-can-defeat-brahminism/
 

mangalam

Member
comment on the below article says
Brahmins are the ''new minority'' in Tamil Nadu. Not only a minority but also an insignificant one. WIth a total population of just 2 % they have more or less faded away thanks to the aggressive anti-brahminism practiced by DMK and other political parti ..
I don't understand why sothai Brahmins are hated with a vengeance in TN, when many other so called upper castes are are actively keeping other castes down. Don't jump down my throat for saying sothai, I mean adicha paambe adichindu irukka mudiyumo.
 

tbs

Well-known member
comment on the below article says
Brahmins are the ''new minority'' in Tamil Nadu. Not only a minority but also an insignificant one. WIth a total population of just 2 % they have more or less faded away thanks to the aggressive anti-brahminism practiced by DMK and other political parti ..
I don't understand why sothai Brahmins are hated with a vengeance in TN, when many other so called upper castes are are actively keeping other castes down. Don't jump down my throat for saying sothai, I mean adicha paambe adichindu irukka mudiyumo.
hi

in my words..

1 no unity...

2 lack of community oriented

3 more selfish oriented

4 no aggresive leader

5 young ladies are not much interested in brahminism

6 youth wants escape from tamil nadu

7 more hypocracy

8 just by birth brahmin...not more than that

9 not interested in our own culture


10 more materialistic.....so on...my 2 cents...

just comments...im also same as in the community..
 

usaiyer

Member
The article '' Only Brahmins can defeat Brahminism" is revealing.
Once the Brahmin moves to a top position,he is more thinking about safeguarding his position and
starts feeling that he should rise above community feelings and does not feel bound to the community .Is this not true and in this respect are we not differing from some other communities?
Nehru for instance ,though a Kashmiri Pandit,he did very little to prevent their exodus from Kashmir.
And his family became more cosmopolitan and the problem of the plight of Brahmins never seems to
have attracted his attention.Is this due to lack of leadership or our lack of bonding factors in our
community or Brahmins are taken for granted because of certain qualities we see in #11
 

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