Reg., Bhakthi not emotional and when you are emotional the intellect is clouded.....
We are talking abbout bhakthi towards God and not towards any other person. In this case where is the question of intellect. You cannot use your intellect for being devoted towards god. It is only surrender, in real terms. Clouding of intellect does not arise here. Practically, if you see in case of bhakthi, normally it is directed towards the beauty, gracefulness, power and other attributes of the god. It is evident in so many hymns of Azhwars and others. In many cases, they treated the deity as their wife or husband or son or parents. Such is their love towards their god. You cannot brush aside completely that bhakthi is not emotional. Reg. steady state of mind, it depends upon the perception of thhe people. While in extreme devotion, there were instances, people behave in a maddening way, but that is only to the outside viewer, but the bhaktha is so focussed with thhe deity, that he does not know what he is doing.
Pls go thro my post. I have never said bhakthi is not required for gnana. Bhakthi makes the job easier for the sadhaka to atttain gnana. You can take the case of Sri Ramakrishna who was such an ardent devotee of Goddess Kali. When he was initiated into meditation by his guru to attain nirvikalpa samadhi, he was not able to do so, since the image of kali was always in his mind. Felt irritated by this, his guru took a piece of glass and pierced his forehead and angrily instructed Sri Ramakrishna to get out of his mental delusion towards Goddess kali. He immediately cut assunder the Kali's image from his mind and attained Nirvikalpa Samadhi immediately. Later his guru said, it took 40 years for him to attain this state, where as Sri Ramakrishna attained this state instantaneusly. This was possible only because of his bhakthi which purified his mind already and made easier his path for attaining gnanna.
But in the case of Swami Vivekananda, the illustrious disciple ofSri Ramakrishna, the case is completely reversed. He was never a bhaktha / devotee and attained gnana. But only very few can achieve this.
While referring, gnana, I agree with you it is not bookish knowledge. It is self-realisation.
One important thing we have to remember that both Ramakrishna Paramahansa and Swami Vivekananda were Saptha Rishis born in human form to guide us by role play.
So technically they hardly can be compared to the rest of us.
I understand what you mean as bhakti when people behave as in a so called manner that might even resemble insanity.
This again you will have to remember that most of high order Bhaktas are actually Jeevan Muktas and Jeevan Muktas are liberated while living and its their Prarabdha Karma which is acting and they are not at all bound by any actions they preform.
It is a known fact that the outward appearance of a Jeevan Mukta and an insane or ignorant person might outwardly resemble each other but the Jeevan Mukta is in TOTAL CONTROL of the situation in his ONE POINTEDNESS MIND.
That is what I was talking about..what which OUTWARDLY APPEARS EMOTIONAL to the world is actually a series of very focus thought waves.
The emotional states experience by most of us humans are where the mind is in a state of volition.
The hormones released during any emotional situation is the same even when the emotions are directed toward another person or towards a higher entity or even towards God.
Ever heard of the feel good hormones?
Feel good hormones like Dopamine,Serotonin and Endorphins are the feel good hormones that make us feel happy and satisfied.
These hormones are the ones that make us want to perform a particular act that makes us happy.
In other words we get addicted to a particular act that gives us bliss and happiness.
Yes ..some of us are even addicted to God and have this maddening desire to seek the truth.
At the beginning we are driven by these feelings and hormones and finally when we realize WE ARE NOT THE BODY only then enlightenment dawns on us and the Bliss felt is of the SAT CHIT ANANDA kind.
We have 5 Koshas to go through before we reach the Anandamaya Kosha.
The Annamaya Kosha is our physical body..that is where we feel the Dopamine,Serotonin and Endorphin effect when we think of anything that makes us happy.
Pranamaya Kosha is an Kosha of Prana(negatively charged electrons suffused with Chaitanya) and acts as bridge between the mind and body.
Next we have the Manomaya Kosha(which is the Mind sheath) which receives the input from the physical body and the senses.
Then we have the Vijnanamaya Kosha(the intellectual sheath) where Viveka plays an important role.
Viveka is the discrimination faculty to know right from wrong.
To develop Viveka one need conditioning in thoughts ,words and deed.
This is where various religion disciplines like Japa,Rituals,Dhyana etc play an important role in shaping the Viveka Faculty.
Finally we have the Anandamaya Kosha(Bliss Sheath) where we experience PURE BLISS without the need of any sensory input and the mind is an Steady State known as Sama(Equal) Dhi(Intellect) SAMADHI.
Frankly speaking Hinduism is a very step wise religion which is very scientific.
We humans have made the mistake of separating Science from Philosophy and Religion.
We should not try to see both at the either end of the spectrum for a good understanding of Sanatha Dharma.
Keep up the discussion..nice discussing with you.
BTW I would beg to differ about your line
:But in the case of Swami Vivekananda, the illustrious disciple ofSri Ramakrishna, the case is completely reversed. He was never a bhaktha / devotee and attained gnana.
Swami Vivekananda was one of the most focused person ever known in history.
He was totally dedicated to SELF.
That is the Ultimate Bhakta.