I C and I R weddings!

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OMG! Who brought inஇதெல்லாம் அரசியலில் சகஜம் தான்.....இங்கே உத்தமர்கள் என்று யாரும் இல்லை...into this thread?

Not any of my friends, whom I requested in my OP, to participate in this! :nono:

hi

this is next topic in continuation of this thread....moving to next stage is called..LGBT .

 

[renuka]

"I have never heard of any bonafide doctor calling LBGT as a treatable pathology."

Frogs in wells regrettably hear only their own voices.

(Abnormality is not pathology, Doctor. It is not a disease. It does not kill.)

Yes, in developed countries there are not only "bona fide doctors", but senior specialist consultants experts in medicine and in surgery respectively who have carried out treatment on very young SGBTs, successfully. I have met several personally in seminars and in interviews for promotion. The recovered patients are normal.

So it is personal experience, not speculation, not hearsay. For info, these experts were not trained in India, nor were they Indian citizens.

Regrettably, one or two ordinary doctors still living mentally in the antedeluvian era do appear to let their personal prejudices due to cultural conditioning and "unlearning" difficulties cloud their intellect.

"Even here a eunuch is given the role of a fighter."

A woman masquerading as a man is a eunuch? Is not a eunuch a man with his testicles removed? As in Arab harems and in Chinese imperial households? Is the Oxford Dictionary wrong when it says a eunuch is a man who is castrated?

Was not Bhishma doing the honourable thing by refusing to fight against a woman on the Kurukshethra battlefield? Even if she was camouflaged as a man? Was not Amba doing a totally dishonourable thing by killing an unarmed man on the same battlefield? Was not Krishna guilty of the same totally dishonourable act by asking Arjuna to kill the unarmed Duryodhana? Is this not why the Mahabhaaratham is looked upon as unfit for paaraayanam in Brahmin households?


"It is good to see that the thread has taken a ‘Right’ turn to discuss about LGBT."

Fine, Can we now expect a rush of Tamil Brahmin parents seeking LGBT sons-in-law and daughters-in-law? If not, why not? Aren't these also humans. as so often trotted out? Or, is it NIMBY (not in my backyard) when it comes to action and not words?

Thanks, and best regards.

S Narayanaswamy Iyer

Dear Sir,

These days Koopamandukas have good wi fi connections to log in to Forum.



Koopamandookeshwari said "In the Pindandam of the well one recognizes the Brahmandam of existence"



Ok..coming back to your statement..

The word Pathology can be used in many contexts too.

For eg one can even write.."

The Pathology called corruption should be eradicated...society needs to be immunized to prevent its plaque"


So my dear sir...Pathology word hi Bahuda Vadanti.


Btw I am surprised you are having some form of perception....you mentioned that For your information these doctors were not trained in India..so you have assumed that any Non Indian doc is better than an Indian one?LOL..is it some form of undealt situation that makes you assume the non indian is better than an indian.
In present era we need not feel any form of inferiority.
Intelligent individuals are found in every race.

To be frank..this LBGT phobia is an Abrahamic one.
Sanathana Dharma is not a closed minded doctrine.
No where we are taught to hate or judge.

So it suprises me when Hindus seem to become more Abrahamic these days and even find fault with actions of Krishna Paramatma in Mahabharat.

 

[S Narayanaswamy Iyer]

My dear, dear madam

Very many thanks indeed.

Mandodari was a manduka huddling down in a hole in the ground praying for a Brahmana husband before she was discovered and married the great Shiva Baktha ten-headed asura-Braahmana Raavana, King of Lanka, who gave us the wonderful and powerful "Raavana Mahaanyaasam".

To a man with a hammer, everything is a nail.

To a doctor with a degree and a microscope everything is pathology.

By the way, Doctor, "plaque" is the black hard stuff we get on our teeth when we do not floss them regularly. Requires a dentist's drill to remove it.

"Plaque" is also the inscribed metal plate we affix to monuments and sculptures to make clear their significance and identity.

Pathology causes plaque (or vice versa)? Am thrilled. Shall ask my Orthodontist.

S Narayanaswamy Iyer

 

[renuka]

My dear, dear madam

Very many thanks indeed.

Mandodari was a manduka huddling down in a hole in the ground praying for a Brahmana husband before she was discovered and married the great Shiva Baktha ten-headed asura-Braahmana Raavana, King of Lanka, who gave us the wonderful and powerful "Raavana Mahaanyaasam".

To a man with a hammer, everything is a nail.

To a doctor with a degree and a microscope everything is pathology.

By the way, Doctor, "plaque" is the black hard stuff we get on our teeth when we do not floss them regularly. Requires a dentist's drill to remove it.

"Plaque" is also the inscribed metal plate we affix to monuments and sculptures to make clear their significance and identity.

Pathology causes plaque (or vice versa)? Am thrilled. Shall ask my Orthodontist.

S Narayanaswamy Iyer

Dearest Sir..

The Plaque of the mind is the hardest to remove..it forms hardened perceptions that only can be removed by the croack of Jnaanam at a Richter 10...otherwise even multiple births would never be enough..just surrender to Mandukeshwari..Ma Suchah.

 

[renuka]

How lucky Mandadori was..to be blessed with a husband like Ravan..my all time favorite anti hero bad boy who was the ultimate devotee of God.

To honour Ravan..I have commited the Shiva Tandava Stotram to memory cos its simply lovely.
Ravan craves Samadarshinah in that Stotram.
May be we can all learn by seeing all humans and their abnormalities as just part and parcel of the Leela of God.

Ya Allah..Ishwara..I love myself.

 

[vgane]

The link that is given by K B Sir may bring a smile to the orthodox brahmins.

But, I wonder whether this data has to be taken with a tablespoon of salt!

This has no relevance to TB's who are merrily marrying Intercaste & Inter religion..I just received an invite for the marriage of a TB girl to a Jew (parents are traditional & it is their only daughter)

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear TBS Sir,

You have added your words in my quote!

At first, I wondered when I wrote it!

 

[Rudhran]

Dear TBS Sir,

You have added your words in my quote!

At first, I wondered when I wrote it!

hi

இதெல்லாம் அரசியலில் சகஜம் தான்.....இங்கே உத்தமர்கள் என்று யாரும் இல்லை...

This was his reply to my thread.... may be inadvertently pasted.

 

[Raji Ram]

This has no relevance to TB's who are merrily marrying Intercaste & Inter religion..I just received an invite for the marriage of a TB girl to a Jew (parents are traditional & it is their only daughter)

Dear Ganesh,

The increase in I C and I R weddings is really alarming. A family in which all the five children were married to same sect brahmins,

the next generation so far has had 3 tamil brahmins (one different sect) 2 inter-caste and 1 inter-religion weddings. (Now 50-50)

One is yet to be married. Wonder which side % will increase! :noidea:

 

[renuka]

Dear Ganesh,

The increase in I C and I R weddings is really alarming. A family in which all the five children were married to same sect brahmins,

the next generation so far has had 3 tamil brahmins (one different sect) 2 inter-caste and 1 inter-religion weddings. (Now 50-50)

One is yet to be married. Wonder which side % will increase! :noidea:

Well..
There has been interloka liaisons before..Devas and human females..
Apsaras and human males.

So IC IR is still same loka marriage!!!LOL

 

[Raji Ram]

Well..
There has been interloka liaisons before..Devas and human females..
Apsaras and human males.

So IC IR is still same loka marriage!!!LOL

So .... Should we be happy, Renu?? :dance:

 

[Rudhran]

This was the opening post of this thread..

Dear friends,

Lot of I C and I R weddings are happening, where either bride or groom is a brahmin.

Should we support these or not?

And this was the 285th posting of this thread

Well..
There has been interloka liaisons before..Devas and human females..
Apsaras and human males.

So IC IR is still same loka marriage!!!LOL

Sarve Jana Sukhino Bhavantu....

 

[renuka]

So .... Should we be happy, Renu?? :dance:

Dear RR ji...my very existence is becos of an IC marriage.

Didnt I turn out so well?LOL

 

[renuka]

This was the opening post of this thread..





And this was the 285th posting of this thread



Sarve Jana Sukhino Bhavantu....

Yes..Rudhran Ji..I get it..You are a fan of both me and RR Ji...otherwise would you take the trouble to search for both our posts?

Just imagine if can dedicate this much Bhakti and Shraddha to 2 members here..if you were to invest even a fraction of that Bhakti to God...what wont you attain?

Thats why Lord Krishna said...

TEXT 40
nehabhikrama-naso 'sti
pratyavayo na vidyate
sv-alpam apy asya dharmasya
trayate mahato bhayat.


TRANSLATION
In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution, and a little advancement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear.

 

[tbs]

hi

mostly araccha maavu here....

 

[Rudhran]

Yes..Rudhran Ji..I get it..

if you were to invest even a fraction of that Bhakti to God...what wont you attain?

Doctor Madam,

You may be knowing that to attain moksha, besides, Bakthi Marg. there are also other margs viz Jnana marg, Yoga Marg and Karma Marg.

By following Karma marg, besides getting rewarded one also enjoys sense of pleasure and fame in this life.

Now we can continue the thread with whether it is good or bad, whether it is pious or impious, etc

 

[S Narayanaswamy Iyer]

My dear, dear madam

Many thanks again for your brilliant exposition.

"The Plaque of the mind is the hardest to remove" Wow!

Shall look it up immediately in "The Compendium of Gynaecological Pathology", companion volume to the 1184-page "The Encyclopedia of Medicine", published by Random House, New York, USA, Medical Editor Charles B. Clayman, MD. Have placed an order, and expect quick and painless delivery.

Shall also seek out the lair of the compassionate and indulgent Almighty Bhagavathi Mandukesvari to lay down my arms in front of her. Only problem is: The மண்டு does not appear to exist. Except, perhaps in mandu-land. The Mandukya Upanishad of Atharvana-Vedam certainly makes no mention of her. Maybe, she has only one passionate devotee in this Bhoo-lokam?

Or, could She be just the figment of a female imagination?

"Ya Allah..Ishwara..I love myself. "

Sure you do, madam, as we can see.

"So it suprises me when Hindus even find fault with actions of Krishna Paramatma in Mahabharat. "

No need to be surprised, madam. KUTTRAM KUTTRAME.

Ambaa, Ambika, and Ambaalika were all biologically women. Ambaa deliberately killing unarmed Bheeshma Pithaamaha on the Kurukshethra battlefield (from which she should have been barred) was a kuttram totally unforgivable.

Our eternal laws of dharma do not exclude criminal (paapam) liabilities of even mortal godmen such as Krishna. That is why Krishna's entire tribe of Vrishnees were wiped out. Sathyam eva jayathe. Even when mortal godmen proclaim the opposite.

"It suprises me when Hindus seem to become more Abrahamic these days."

Hindus do not "become more Abrahamic these days". They never ever were even the least Abrahamic (in truth Semitic). Collectively, today there are more adherers to Semitic creeds in this world than there are dissonant and disputing Hindus. These Hindus perhaps were lucky to have studied in Christian missionary schools, had noted the clash of creeds, and tried to trace the roots of these creeds instead of clapping hands to ears. What did they find?

Islam and Christianity trace their roots to Judaism. Mother creed Judaism traces ITS roots to Hindism, the Atharvana Veda. When leaving the Indus Valley and travelling westwards the Hindu pioneer-pilgrims (the true original Pilgrim Fathers) brought vegetarianism with therm. The Jews to this day have a "kosher kitchen" in which a separate set of cooking pots and utensils are reserved exclusiverly for vegetarian cooking.

Muslims performing the compulsory ritual Haj pilgrimmage to Mecca solemnly circumambulate the "Black Stone" embedded in the eastern wall of the Kaaba. This is the Shiva-Lingam installed by Hindus millenia ago near the Ganga-Spring-Well (today renamed Zam-zam -- a corruption of "gan-ga") nearfby, from which theertham for daiuly abhishegam was taken by the Hindu priests. Muslims wear only two unsewn pieces of white cotton cloth while on Mecca pilgrimmage. Comparable to veshti and anga-vasthram of Hindus. They walk barefooted, as Hindus do in sacred places. They even leave their slippers and other footwear outside their homnes and mosques. Another Hindu custom.

And so the list goes on.

Immersioin in flowing river-water is a rite by which a young boy enters Judaism. Our Gangaa-snaanam. Even Jesus Christ was so "baptised" by Prophet John the Baptist. Today, no child is a Christian until baptised with holy water (representing Gangaa-theertham).

"Btw I am surprised you are having some form of perception....you mentioned that For your information these doctors were not trained in India."

Why does the truth hurt?

They did not argue, as one distinguished lady doctor I came across in India did, that no bonafide doctor would call LGBT a treatable "pathology". They went right ahead and cured some who were referred to them in time. Kudos to them for this pioneering work. Which still continues in that institution where they work. No sour grapes, please, dear.

All this is beside the point.

The point is: How many Tamil-Brahmins today will accept LGBT husbands, wives, sons-in-law, daughters-in-law?

Your considered response, madam?

Thanks and regards.

S Narayanaswamy Iyer

 

[Raji Ram]

... mostly araccha maavu here....

:nono: Now it is masAlA and NOT mAvu!! :lol:

 

[Rudhran]

:nono: Now it is masAlA and NOT mAvu!! :lol:

Some may even go to say that now it is GARAM MasALA. lol

 

[S Narayanaswamy Iyer]

Araichcha mavu? More likely karaichcha pulichcha maavu flowing down the stream on its way to oblivion. (Garam masala is not Tamil?)

S Narayanawamy Iyer

 

[renuka]

My dearest Sir...my answers in Blue...the color of Krishna Paratmatma.

My dear, dear madam

Many thanks again for your brilliant exposition.

"The Plaque of the mind is the hardest to remove" Wow!

Shall look it up immediately in "The Compendium of Gynaecological Pathology", companion volume to the 1184-page "The Encyclopedia of Medicine", published by Random House, New York, USA, Medical Editor Charles B. Clayman, MD. Have placed an order, and expect quick and painless delivery.


For painless delivery we can go Epidural.

The Plaque that has started like a nidus.. conceals the mind from the Truth.
The mind enclosed like a pining Anarkali in the concrete tomb built around .... the mind yearns for the Truth yet delusion shields it..suffocating it..a meaningless existence.

Shall also seek out the lair of the compassionate and indulgent Almighty Bhagavathi Mandukesvari to lay down my arms in front of her. Only problem is: The மண்டு does not appear to exist. Except, perhaps in mandu-land. The Mandukya Upanishad of Atharvana-Vedam certainly makes no mention of her. Maybe, she has only one passionate devotee in this Bhoo-lokam?

Or, could She be just the figment of a female imagination?

Mandukeshwari is real...She exists...you have not surrendered ..hence she seems to not exist.
What is not a fiction of imagination?
Isnt entire existence itself an imagination of the Almighty?
Are we not just a dream of a Higher Being?
So what is real and what is not?

Mandukeshwari.



"So it suprises me when Hindus even find fault with actions of Krishna Paramatma in Mahabharat. "

No need to be surprised, madam. KUTTRAM KUTTRAME.

Ambaa, Ambika, and Ambaalika were all biologically women. Ambaa deliberately killing unarmed Bheeshma Pithaamaha on the Kurukshethra battlefield (from which she should have been barred) was a kuttram totally unforgivable.

Our eternal laws of dharma do not exclude criminal (paapam) liabilities of even mortal godmen such as Krishna. That is why Krishna's entire tribe of Vrishnees were wiped out. Sathyam eva jayathe. Even when mortal godmen proclaim the opposite.

Kallai Mattum Kandal Kadavul Theriyathu,
Kadavul Mattum Kandal Kalladi Theriyathu.. ​

"It suprises me when Hindus seem to become more Abrahamic these days."

Hindus do not "become more Abrahamic these days". They never ever were even the least Abrahamic (in truth Semitic). Collectively, today there are more adherers to Semitic creeds in this world than there are dissonant and disputing Hindus. These Hindus perhaps were lucky to have studied in Christian missionary schools, had noted the clash of creeds, and tried to trace the roots of these creeds instead of clapping hands to ears. What did they find?

Islam and Christianity trace their roots to Judaism. Mother creed Judaism traces ITS roots to Hindism, the Atharvana Veda. When leaving the Indus Valley and travelling westwards the Hindu pioneer-pilgrims (the true original Pilgrim Fathers) brought vegetarianism with therm. The Jews to this day have a "kosher kitchen" in which a separate set of cooking pots and utensils are reserved exclusiverly for vegetarian cooking.

Muslims performing the compulsory ritual Haj pilgrimmage to Mecca solemnly circumambulate the "Black Stone" embedded in the eastern wall of the Kaaba. This is the Shiva-Lingam installed by Hindus millenia ago near the Ganga-Spring-Well (today renamed Zam-zam -- a corruption of "gan-ga") nearfby, from which theertham for daiuly abhishegam was taken by the Hindu priests. Muslims wear only two unsewn pieces of white cotton cloth while on Mecca pilgrimmage. Comparable to veshti and anga-vasthram of Hindus. They walk barefooted, as Hindus do in sacred places. They even leave their slippers and other footwear outside their homnes and mosques. Another Hindu custom.

Try saying this in Saudi Arabia and let me know the outcome!LOL






And so the list goes on.

Immersioin in flowing river-water is a rite by which a young boy enters Judaism. Our Gangaa-snaanam. Even Jesus Christ was so "baptised" by Prophet John the Baptist. Today, no child is a Christian until baptised with holy water (representing Gangaa-theertham).

Amen! No Christian Al-Qaeda...so you escaped!LOL





"Btw I am surprised you are having some form of perception....you mentioned that For your information these doctors were not trained in India."

Why does the truth hurt?

Why should it hurt?
Satyam Eva Jayate Hain Na?
Sathyam Is Sweet.

They did not argue, as one distinguished lady doctor I came across in India did, that no bonafide doctor would call LGBT a treatable "pathology". They went right ahead and cured some who were referred to them in time. Kudos to them for this pioneering work. Which still continues in that institution where they work. No sour grapes, please, dear.

Voh lady doctor kaun hain?
Main Msia Mein Rehti Hoon.


All this is beside the point.

The point is: How many Tamil-Brahmins today will accept LGBT husbands, wives, sons-in-law, daughters-in-law?

Arey yaar...Homosexual males wont marry a female...Lesbians wont marry a male..Bisexual might marry either a male or a female.
Transgender seldom marry..So koi problem nahin hain...No Inlaw problems too.
BTW there was one Iyer male who is gay and his mother posted a matrimonial for a partner for her son and a TB priest son responded to the add ...it was all over the internet.

Let anyone be happy TB LGBT or Non TB LGBT.
Pyar Deewana Hota Hain..Mastana Hota Hain...

Your considered response, madam?

I advice you to fall in love again...it might change your perception of life.

Thanks and regards.

S Narayanaswamy Iyer

 

[S Narayanaswamy Iyer]

To the deluded, delusion is reality. To mandus, Mandushwari is real. QED.

"Kal" enraal kallu thaan. "Kadavul" enraal kadavul thaan. "Thoonilum iruppen, thurumbilum iruppen" - Lord Narasimha-svaami.

"Voh lady...?" Kannadiyil kaanalaam.

Puriyaathathai puriya cholluren: Let homos marry homos, and lesbians lessies -- if the law allows. Isn't sodomy a criminal offence under the Indian Penal Code?

"Fall in love...."? Isn't "love" a transient delusion, that fades when one wakes to reality? If not, why so many divorces, legal separations, fights, desertions, et al?

S Narayanaswamy Iyer

 

[renuka]

To the deluded, delusion is reality. To mandus, Mandushwari is real. QED.

"Kal" enraal kallu thaan. "Kadavul" enraal kadavul thaan. "Thoonilum iruppen, thurumbilum iruppen" - Lord Narasimha-svaami.

"Voh lady...?" Kannadiyil kaanalaam.

Puriyaathathai puriya cholluren: Let homos marry homos, and lesbians lessies -- if the law allows. Isn't sodomy a criminal offence under the Indian Penal Code?

"Fall in love...."? Isn't "love" a transient delusion, that fades when one wakes to reality? If not, why so many divorces, legal separations, fights, desertions, et al?

S Narayanaswamy Iyer

Dearest sir...without consent anything and everything is a crime.

Yes..Lovvu is a delusion..just like life and death..
When we wake up to reality we realize even our very existence was merely a delusion.

So.why be selective?
Just enjoy sir...dont waste this chance.

 

[S Narayanaswamy Iyer]

Amen. Aameen. Om shaanthi shanthi shaanthihi! fiat justicia, ruat caelum.

S Narayanaswamy Iyer

 

[renuka]

Amen. Aameen. Om shaanthi shanthi shaanthihi! fiat justicia, ruat caelum.

S Narayanaswamy Iyer

If heavens fall where would you go?LOL