this is an other education post addressed in the title as For the EDUCATION of KUMJUPPU and HAPPYHINDU - 2
But the post itself is addressed to Shri Kunjuppu ji. Am therefore responding to only the part where happyhindu has been mentioned.
But the post itself is addressed to Shri Kunjuppu ji. Am therefore responding to only the part where happyhindu has been mentioned.
Kunjuppu:
You are not understanding what I say properly. You are the one speculating wildly. I have nothing to do with any right-wing group. If anything, I am appalled by the disunity among Brahmins. In the US, where I lived for a long time, every community has to come together to gain its rights. Brahmins despite their adverse situation, like you, are failing to unite and rise up. Rising up, does not mean throwing bombs. It can mean what happens in the west- civil rights lawsuits. Recall that Mandal got delayed for years because of lawsuits. It can also mean Gandhian methods. So, where is the call for violence? I am a survivalist- but unlike you, I am interested in the whole community, not just mine. And if I constantly talk about "getting elected" and representative democracy, how can you foolishly combine that with "violent means" or "right wing orgs"? Btw, it might interest you to learn that I know the chairman of TN RSS/hindu munnani very well, and he hates me because I don't believe in things like hindu supremacy or out-of-india theory, unless they are scientifically proven. my only motivation is civil rights. I am interested in equal rights for all, including me.
I am an academic. I didn't find any logical argument in your earlier post, meriting point-by-point rebuttal. So you didn't get one. You didn't state anything of substance to get one. Get off your armchair- go travel in the read world; learn the art of getting true stories and unbiased histories, then make up your mind. Please cut your ad-hominem crap about whether I went all over or all under. It pains me that while other communities- in India and other countries, all unite, organize and fight for their rights, the Brahmin community remains helpless- the Tamil Brahmin community being the worst offenders of all. People like you, who refuse to be woken up, are the reasons why. Who can save you, if you won't save yourself?
With friends like you, that are deluded and drunk the kool-aid, who needs enemies?
a) Why do you expect me to say sorry for the caste system? Should the sins of the father be visited upon the son? Do modern day whites keep saying sorry to every black in the US? Next, historically, what is the truth about the caste system? What was "made out of it" by the British historians or what is now embellished on that bigoted account, by modern day "historians"? Caste system, was a class system. Show me one nation without a class system in the world? How can the miniscule Brahmin community be solely responsible for the caste system? And tell me, will a wealthy SC or MBC today, marry his son or daughter to a very poor temple priest's child? The wealthy man will be the first to object.
a 2) If you want to heal the caste system- why should only a "quota system" be the solution. Equal opportunity drives for different disenfranchised communities exist all over the world. "Quota system" is not the way. It is okay to "help someone"; it is not okay to "help someone, by stealing my breakfast". GET the difference?!
a 3) Get your history right. Reservation was invented in TN in the 30s and 40s- with admissions and curricula to schools and colleges. LEARN, BEFORE YOU OBJECT!
a 4) If we had full opportunities in TN and in India, why would be move out? There is a Diaspora that is looking for greener pastures- because the homeland is not green. You are forgetting the context and history of India. In the 40s India was newly independent. It had GREAT NEED and USE for a new community of intelligentsia. Then since 1990s it was on the first flush of prosperity. Again, it needed the intelligentsia. Brahmans being the readily available intelligentsia, should have had FAR more rewards in a budding nation- they never got the rewards- nor the right opportunities to serve. This is not the case with the Asian Tigers, that profited from their readily trained communities more quickly. This was something suicidal India did. Not leverage its talent quickly.
a 5) I am pro-meritocracy. You don't understand that I don't consider mere-vegetarianism and punal as being Brahminhood. No, you must be much more.I want quota-system and the social stigma against Brahmins to go, and a true meritocracy to prevail. I don't want any domination, nor do I consider myself so entitled.
b) Other communities were not purged from govt and politics like brahmins were. it doesnt matter whether the brahmin can play the game or not- depends on the individual. First, give us or fair share. make us equal citizens. then it is meritocracy and equal rights.
c) See my response to HappyHindu. You have not tried to research in Indian ethics and history, either a student or a professor, or attend a Vedapatasala as a priest-initiate or as a teacher. You have not tried to run a temple in the US and in IN and found the difference and the issues. I have done many or all of these things. I can speak from experience, not from my armchair. There is so much money that could be given and should be given to preserve Indian culture and "Sanskrit". But do you know how hard it is to get students, and hire professors in the adverse environment? Do you know how few PhD seats are available for this subject statewide? Do you know how much harder it is for the patasalas to survive? For example, do you know about the struggles of the Madras Sanskrit College, or the Sanskrit School near Chinglepet? I have received appeals from so many places, so many people- other than the ones I have sought out, asking me- begging me, to raise money, because I am one of the few ON THE INSIDE that knows the problem. No other country with an ancient culture, spends so little on the preservation of that culture. The buffoons in your armchairs are part of the malaise of the uninformed.
i do not know of the reasons why sanskrit studies are not well funded. And in tamilnadu, tehre might well be a political angle to it. Am only wondering who are the people who will want to pursue such courses in the present times. I remember having read in a newspaper along time back about a MA degree course that was shut down in madras university and in queen mary's college bcoz there were very few students. Possibly there are other reasons unknown at the moment why sanskrit studies is not getting funds to continue. Are there really many students willing to take and study such courses in present times?
=contd.