Drishti

[prasad1]

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You're exhausted, but having trouble sleeping. You keep getting one lousy cold after another. You feel like there's a heavy lid over your usual wellspring of happiness. You can't seem to function right and don't know why.
What's going on?
From a psychological standpoint, you seem to be depressed. But from the point of view of energy medicine, you could very well be under psychic attack. Yes, consciously or unconsciously, someone may have formed an intention to harm you.

Think about that statement. How wrong can you be? If looks could harm, can people like Bill Gates, Deepika Padukone live a single day.

Maybe you have a mother-in-law who hates the fact that you stole away her precious son or daughter. Don't discount the old "evil eye" she gives you whenever she can.
There you go blaming M-I-L, giving credence to the stereotype. So if Aishwarya Rai's film failed it is Jaya Bachan's fault. Is that a rational statement?

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Have you thought the problem may be with the person who is depressed? Or has some physical ailment not yet diagnosed.
Instead of giving the right advice or admitting you know nothing about it, a lay person is giving the wrong advice.
Just because I can write 3 page garbage it does not become a rational explanation, garbage still stinks.

 

[swamiinathan]

Everybody wants proof for age old believes. If some foreigner 'scientifiaclly' proves the negative effects of Drishti,preferably with some meters to show the readings, the Rationalists will start beliving this custom.Till then they condemn such practices. I belive in this custom & do not mind 'Drishti Chutti Podarthu'

 

[sarang]

What a grand statement?

We indians must understand that body and mind, papa and punya, loukika and religious life, and many such handed down values do contribute, otherwise all these will be put to practice by the 'enlightened west and their reinducted indian proponents' and will be imported into our land.

Prof raju from a malaysian university has said that we must decolonise our mind and the western history we learnt.

A good doctor from india will tell the child - see me, but not here, in some other place, implying one has to fall sick to visit the doctor. When a guest leaves the house and says - I am going, the host will say - no you must say - poyittu varen - will go and come back again. So any response must be viewed in the correct cultural perspective.
So, it is better to make local observations, and not generalize - we indians change our mind set.

Its really high time we Indians all around the world changed our mindset.

 

[prasad1]

Everybody wants proof for age old believes. If some foreigner 'scientifiaclly' proves the negative effects of Drishti,preferably with some meters to show the readings, the Rationalists will start beliving this custom.Till then they condemn such practices. I belive in this custom & do not mind 'Drishti Chutti Podarthu'

You have the right to believe what ever you want to believe.
If you suffer from some serious illness, don't just believe in some "DRISTI" get yourself checked by a professional. Snake oil treatment is good for snake oil salesman alone.

 

[sarang]

"So if Aishwarya Rai's film failed it is Jaya Bachan's fault. Is that a rational statement?"

Ash and husband has moved out of jaya's house and live elsewhere. It seems both avoided each other even in parties.

 

[prasad1]

What a grand statement?

We indians must understand that body and mind, papa and punya, loukika and religious life, and many such handed down values do contribute, otherwise all these will be put to practice by the 'enlightened west and their reinducted indian proponents' and will be imported into our land.

Prof raju from a malaysian university has said that we must decolonise our mind and the western history we learnt.

A good doctor from india will tell the child - see me, but not here, in some other place, implying one has to fall sick to visit the doctor. When a guest leaves the house and says - I am going, the host will say - no you must say - poyittu varen - will go and come back again. So any response must be viewed in the correct cultural perspective.
So, it is better to make local observations, and not generalize - we indians change our mind set.

Mao Tse-tung said that mix enough falsehood with truth and then people will believe everything to be truth. Some cultural aspect is right had has some scientific reason, not all practice are rational. Culture is not stationary set of document written on a stone tablet. It has to grow and change like our constitution.

If you think you are the cultural authority tell me what is papa and punya? I suppose you are a better authority than Sri Krishna who took 18 chapters to explain to Arjuna.

 

[prasad1]

"So if Aishwarya Rai's film failed it is Jaya Bachan's fault. Is that a rational statement?"

Ash and husband has moved out of jaya's house and live elsewhere. It seems both avoided each other even in parties.

Is there an argument there?:kev:

 

[SANDHYAV]

Prasad Ji, thanks for quoting my quote from psychology today.

alternative medicine will exhist for ever. if not dhrishti some other eye or ear will come.

some reasons:

Allopathic medicine does not have answers for everything. Many anti-psychiatric medications have side-effects and have placebo effect (not to discredit some wonderful drugs in neuroscience) . Most physicians in psychiatry may not know the actual cultural background/belief of his patients.

 

[prasad1]

Prasad Ji, thanks for quoting my quote from psychology today.

alternative medicine will exhist for ever. if not dhrishti some other eye or ear will come.

some reasons:

Allopathic medicine does not have answers for everything. Many anti-psychiatric medications have side-effects and have placebo effect (not to discredit some wonderful drugs in neuroscience) . Most physicians in psychiatry may not know the actual cultural background/belief of his patients.

SANDHYAVji,
I am not a doctor, so I do not have to defend allopathy or any other medicine. We all grew up on home remedies. But to ignore a serious condition as "DRISHTI" is wrong.

 

[sarang]

Innate arrogance will express itself; what is new? Refresher course in sanatana dharma will help to clear accumulated cobweb and clear newly acquired maya. Anyway refresher course does not mean an insult - all corporates and mncs swear by it.

If you think you are the cultural authority tell me what is papa and punya? I suppose you are a better authority than Sri Krishna who took 18 chapters to explain to Arjuna.

 

[P.J.]

HINDUS ARE NOT ALONE IN BELIEVING THIRISTI OR EVIL EYE

The evil eye is a malevolent look that many cultures believe able to cause injury or misfortune for the person at whom it is directed for reasons of envy or dislike. Talismans created to protect against the evil eye are also frequently called "evil eyes.

The "evil eye" is also known in Arabic as ʿayn al-ḥasūd (عين الحسود‎), in Hebrew as ʿáyin hā-ráʿ (עַיִן הָרַע‎), in Kurdish çaw e zar (eye of evil/sickness), in Persian as chashm zakhm (چشم زخم eye-caused injury) or chashm e bad (bad eye), in Turkish as Nazar (nazar is from Arabic نَظَر Nadhar which means eye vision or eyesight), similarly in Urdu/Hindi/Punjabi the word Nazar or Boori Nazar (bad eye/look) is used, in Amharic buda,

in Afghan Pashto cheshim mora, and also "Nazar", in Greek as to máti (το μάτι), in Spanish as mal de ojo,[SUP][4][/SUP] in Italian as malocchio, in Portuguese mau-olhado ("act of giving an evil/sick look"), in Swedish as "ge onda ögat"(to give an evil look), and in Hawaiian it is known as "stink eye"[SUP][5][/SUP] or maka pilau meaning "rotten eyes.

The idea expressed by the term causes many cultures to pursue protective measures against it. The concept and its significance vary widely among different cultures, primarily the Middle East. The idea appears several times in translations of the Old Testament.

It was a widely extended belief among many Mediterranean and Asian tribes and cultures. Charms and decorations featuring the eye are a common sight across Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan and have become a popular choice of souvenir with tourists.

Belief in the evil eye dates back to Classical antiquity. It is referenced by Hesiod, Callimachus, Plato, Diodorus Siculus, Theocritus, Plutarch, Heliodorus, Pliny the Elder, and Aulus Gellius. Peter Walcot's Envy and the Greeks (1978) listed more than one hundred works by these and other authors mentioning the evil eye.

The belief in the evil eye during antiquity varied across different regions and periods.

Belief in the evil eye is strongest in the Middle East, Latin America, East and West Africa, Central America, South Asia, Central Asia, and Europe, especially the Mediterranean region; it has also spread to areas, including northern Europe, particularly in the Celtic regions, and the Americas, where it was brought by European colonists and Middle Eastern immigrants.

Evil eye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[prasad1]

Innate arrogance will express itself; what is new? Refresher course in sanatana dharma will help to clear accumulated cobweb and clear newly acquired maya. Anyway refresher course does not mean an insult - all corporates and mncs swear by it.

Sarangji,
I give you lot more credit than you think you deserve.
Just hiding behind ignorance and quoting your authority on some "culture" or "scriptures" does not give you any credence. If you have proof show it. Please do not blindly follow some mumbo jumbo just because some old person told you so. You are probably more educated and should be able to discern the newer informations. Don't sell your self short.
I have no intention of insulting you, we judge a person by the postings in this site. If your posting seems idiotic you are going to associated with it. On the other hand your posting is intelligent and scholarly we will associate that with you.

 

[prasad1]

HINDUS ARE NOT ALONE IN BELIEVING THIRISTI OR EVIL EYE
/QUOTE]
I agree that Hindus alone do not believe in superstitions.
Superstition is the belief in supernatural causality—that one event leads to the cause of another without any natural process linking the two events—such as astrology, religion, omens, witchcraft, etc., that contradicts natural science.

There is whole set of such silliness.
Superstitions Old Wives Tales Beliefs & Misconceptions A-L

 

[P.J.]

Dear RR ji,

Once I had a lady who had brought her baby boy for immunization.

The baby's grandmum also came along.

So as usual when we weigh a baby we record the weight on a graph and show the parents the baby's healthy weight gain.

So I recorded the weight gain and told the mother and grandmother of the baby that "baby is doing fine...a good healthy weight gain"

The very next second the grandmother of the baby literally yelled at me saying in Tamil "dont put Dristhi on my grandson's weight..Aiyoo what is going to happen now?"


After that experience I stopped telling Indian parents about their babies weight gain and just hand them over the graph..unless there is a problem only then I comment on the babies weight.

Just imagine..how dumb can people be..telling a doctor not to put Dristhi!


Even once a small child told me "bye bye Doctor..see you" and his grandmother said to him "dont tell a doctor see you..that means that you will fall sick again..so just walk off without saying a word"


Its really high time we Indians all around the world changed our mindset.

Renukaji



It is not only Indians believe in Evil Eye, or Dhiristi, many races, religions also believe in it!!

The kids grandmother was right in telling the child not tell “bye bye Doctor. See you" because seeing again in YOUR CONSULTATION ROOM means the Kid should fall sick again!! No one wants this including you!!

Normally when I leave the doctor’s consultation room, I say” thanks Doctor, will follow your advice”

But this is not the case when we leave a relative/ or friends home, we say “parkalam or see you da...” something like that.

When we go to express our sympathy to any bereaved family’s house, while leaving the house, we never say any word, like “POITTU VARENE” that would mean you are wishing another death to happen in that house?

Being a rational person, will you tell” SEE YOU AGAIN” (POITTU VARENE) in such a situation?

That family while you enter also would not invite you by saying “VANGO “

These are customs and beliefs followed in every country, every religion (please read my other thread posted)

You have your own beliefs so also others; respect other’s opinion; you follow what is best for you.

We can talk so many things as “this is rational and that’s not rational “but when it comes to our family we always follow the tradition without arguing.

Will you conduct your son’s marriage in Raghu Kalam without consulting the purohit?

These are personal matters, and it is best to leave to persons concerned.

OP has raised a simple doubt, and now he should be feeling why he has raised it!!

 

[prasad1]

PJJI,
You are a reasonable man, so I am going to reason with you.
Please do not take it personally.
Let us say some bad thing is happening in my life, let us say I had a car accident. I suspect that you are jealous of my accomplishments and have put "dristi" on me. So I call for puja and announce that to remove thew dristi put on me by PJji, I am doing this puja. How would you feel about it? You can not do anything as it is not illegal. Do you think it is justified?

Is it not the car accident is my own doing? If I did not drive I would not have got into the accident and that you had nothing to do with it. Let us rationally think about it.

 

[P.J.]

Sri Prasadji

Please do not even imagine you got into an accident.

Coming to Dhristi , it is done to ward off any evil things, not necessarily evil eye, from some UNKNOWN Thing, Like hanging white Pumpkin , or Keeping Thristi Pillayar outside the house . ( not against any particular person )

I know it not is not rational, but it gives the person some peace of mind, then why anyone would want to disturb him.

Tying lemons on the Lorry front Guard is no way going to stop an accident happening to the vehicle if the driver is careless, but it gives him certain amount of confidence while driving the Lorry.When his confidence level is boosted up, the chances of accident is less; that is the idea.



These things are personal and if someone feels comfortable believing in it, let him have it; you follow what is best for you.

My point is that every one of us are rational to certain extent like seeing an auspicious time for conducting a Subha Event like marriage, but at the same time we are not accepting if someone believes in Dhiristi and hangs a Pumpkin in their front yard!!


We have to respect others opinion as long as it does not harm us.

 

[P.J.]

When someone very close in our family is sick, we pray for recovery and apply the prasadam like Voboothi or kunkumam on the forehead of that person ; at that time we not talking about Karma etc and no one would say if if has to undergo the sufferings, let him undergo, it is his Karma!!

Kunkuam or Vobbothi is not going to help reduce the sickness, but it gives us a mental satisfaction that our prayers will be answered by almighty and the person will recover soon.

Trusting God won't make the mountain smaller
but it will make climbing easier.


This is a Belief, and which can never be explained rationally.

Like that Thiristi Suthal is also belief, which has no rational backing, but it gives the person some mental peace;
Why bother and criticize such beliefs as it is harmless and in no way affecting others.

 

[prasad1]

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So if one similarly sell false hope, of removing Dristi when they did nothing of the sort, they should be equally punished. You do things to calm your mind, that is perfectly ok, just like Rajiji wears her lucky sari. Those are harmless, but when you claim and sell false hope, that should be punished.

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Instead of treating the child for her psychological or physical problem, you missed an opportunity to cure her, instead you sold her and her family a false hope of removing Dristi. Please consider the consequence of your actions. How do you say it is harmless?

 

[swamiinathan]

Prasad Sir
Ref yr post #29.Drishti is not panacea to all our ills & nobody in this forum advocates Drishti instead of medical treatments. Along with medicine you can do drishti pariharms As PJ Sir has mentioned it is age old custom & practiced around the world. It cannot considered as irrational just because we do not have any scientific proof. PEOPLE WHO BELIVE IN DRISHTI ARE NOT FOOLS.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Renu,

I had a similar experience too. Once I asked my servant maid how she damages so many things, even when she is so lean and

it seems to me that she is stronger than me! She retorted, 'akkA! kaNNu pOdAdheenga! enakku odambukku vandhurum!' :faint2:

After that I stopped telling anyone that they look very healthy or strong!!

 

[renuka]

A good doctor from india will tell the child - see me, but not here,

Sarang ji,

Did you read what I wrote??

It was not me who told the child "see you"..it was the child who told me "see you Doctor bye bye" and the child's mother got into panic mode as if telling a doc see you equals to a visit to Yama Loka!LOL


BTW I still stick to the fact we Indians from all around the world need to change our mindset.

Sometimes Manangatti is Manangatti..you cant call it logic.

 

[renuka]

Will you conduct your son’s marriage in Raghu Kalam without consulting the purohit?

Dear PJ sir,

You really have no idea of my mindset.

I really do not believe in Rahukalam..this Kalam that Kalam.

When I started my own clinical practice I did not see any time and date to open it.I just opened it.

My friends even saw time and date for even putting up a sign board and called priests for opening ceremony.
I did not do any of those.

For me its simple...anything done with a clear mind and pure heart will not yield bad results..even if bad results were to actually happen..Lord Krishna had said "Sukha Dukhe Same Krtva..Labhaalabhou Jayaajayau"...If failure comes I will face it..I am not scared of failure or success and there is no need for me to hide behind a superstition in an attempt to actually bribe God at times.

Have you realized that we Indians enough times claims to have 100% faith in God but yet prefer to follow a superstition becos we are unsure if God will actually help us or not?

That shows a total lack of faith in God.

To me I feel superstitions to a certain extent degrade God.

What is the use to claim to be having Faith in God if we dare not surrender to His will?

So if you ask me sir.."will I conduct my child's marriage in Rahu Kalam etc"..My answer is "I would be happy if he would opt for registered marriage and sign the papers at which ever time the department is open"


In Narayana Upanishad it is stated that 'Kalasca Narayana" (Time is Narayana)..going by that how can there be a Good Time Narayana and Bad Time Narayana??

I think the answer is pretty obvious.

 

[Raji Ram]

...... To me I feel superstitions to a certain extent degrade God. .........

So if you ask me sir.."will I conduct my child's marriage in Rahu Kalam etc"..My answer is "I would be happy if he would opt for registered marriage and sign the papers at which ever time the department is open" ......

Dear Renu,

I appreciate when you say that there is no need for superstitions if there is true faith in God.

But, the time of your son's marriage should be approved by your D I L's family also!!

 

[Raji Ram]

...... Sometimes Manangatti is Manangatti..you cant call it logic.

maNNAngatti is always maNNAngatti, Renu! But, one man's food is another man's poison!

So, what you think as maNNAngatti belief might be a good belief for someone else, right?

Variety makes the world interesting. :grouphug:

 

[renuka]

maNNAngatti is always maNNAngatti, Renu! But, one man's food is another man's poison!

So, what you think as maNNAngatti belief might be a good belief for someone else, right?

Variety makes the world interesting. :grouphug:

Agreed RR ji,

I just like to use the word Mannagatti..it has a Kiccku!LOL