Correct you are. And some people suffer from acute inferiority complex. Envy can be as damaging as arrogance. The most funny thing is people coming and lecturing brahmins about caste labels. It begs a question. Why such self proclaimed broad-minded people be here at all?! Are they fit to lecture others when they themselves hold on to the caste label?!
Comparing intercaste marriages (TB vs Other Brahmins)
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Yes Renuka I agree with you. Information and knowledge very important. It is like the database or knowledge base of AI. But the engine that uses and runs that knowledge also important. The same piece of information can be interpreted in many ways. So even AIs may differ with regard to answer to the same question.
But your point well taken.
Renuka,
Spirituality is the only counter to AI if we are not to lose out to it decisively. Without spirituality we cannot match it's analytical intelligence and may be creativity soon.
Spirituality is the last bastion but if we genuinely adhere to it, it can be formidable and even invincible anyday. Because Spirituality connects you to everything. The more we are spiritual the more we are connected and the more we harness the power of reality which is unbeatable.
Spirituality is the only counter to AI if we are not to lose out to it decisively. Without spirituality we cannot match it's analytical intelligence and may be creativity soon.
Spirituality is the last bastion but if we genuinely adhere to it, it can be formidable and even invincible anyday. Because Spirituality connects you to everything. The more we are spiritual the more we are connected and the more we harness the power of reality which is unbeatable.
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Yes we retain some of the knowledge we acquired and display it sometimes. But some of get distorted information because our minds are filled with hatred, fueled by our own failures. Unless we own our failures, we cannot progress. This blaming of foreigners is not helping; this misdirection has to stop. But then again this has been going on and can only be resolved with trained psychoanalysis of this person.
Psychoanalysis is required for who? For one who hurts and harms others or for someone who points it out though strongly?
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bharathwaj9
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Thank you ji.
I joined this group to find out like minded people in our community.
Unfortunately many others in this group seem to have liberal mindset.
I hope they change for the sake of our community, not for me..
as the situation is very bad these days.
For instance In my own dept, I know 4 tb girls who married nb. One tb who grew up in an cultured family became a hardcore periyarist and started cursing all tb, including me for no reason.
And many others in my neighborhood .
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bharathwaj9
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I see.. now even sharing ones own personal experience needs some castewise verified data it seems .. I dint realise I needed some kindof license to talk about what I ve been literally seeing in nanganallur.. .
I wasnt writing a thesis..I was jus pointing out a pattern that has been happening around me fr a longtime..
But.. fine .. sure, if u dismiss that as 'throwing the ball in others court' helps avoid the uncomfortable truth, then go ahead, no one is stopping you..
Maybe next time, when u ask me something, I ll attach an official data and stats, I ll rem that fr sure..
Until then, I ll stick to what I said. Because unlike some, I belive i dont need any data to know when our community is drifting from its core values..
Btw, jus know that it was you who 1st replied to my post addressed to someone else and got yourselves involved.. So, lets not pretend like I dragged u into this..
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bharathwaj9
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Nice and accurate.. fully agree..
Also, jus that this phenomenon has been happening in US for quite a long time..
Like the case of Kamala Harris mother or Sri Srinivasan, a top US Judge, who was a contender for US Supreme court and many others..
I know a few in my circles going for interracial marriages..
prasad1
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Duniyaa ne ham ko diya kya
Duniyaa se ham ne liyaa kya
Ham sab ki paravaah karen
Kyun sab ne hamara kiya kya...
Why should a person living in Delhi care what a TB Living in Chennai thinks? They have to live and be accepted among their friends in Delhi. That is how society moves. If a society stagnates it dies. In the olden times there were no avenues, but in the global society there are many more choices.
GNANA SUNYAM
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Dear Bharathwaj,
You are gladly welcomed with most widely opened arms.
Please enjoy posting, exchanging thoughts, opinions, learning in the process, expanding your knowledge horizon without boundaries.
Your terms, 'like-minded', 'our community' are too big subjects to discuss in one thread.
Just food for your thought. What made us like-minded? When did we become a community? There are definite answers, no doubt. Just introspect. How sincere are we, how honest are we, how integral are we when stating 'our tb culture is getting eroded'!!!!!!!. That is a subject exclusively for a different thread.
Whosoever created our species, created us as human beings. Differences in Anatomy exists but they are external, superficial. For instance the skin colour, external features etc. But these are determined and decided by the DNA and Genes whose influence and dictates are limited to external appearance. DNA and Genes do not influence the Physiology, which is uniform and homogenous across the entire human race. But for lifestyles, no other agent affects physiology.
For some obviously good reasons, we divided ourselves into communities, with distinct practices, style of living which we term 'culture'. In recent decades the world has witnessed large-scale migrations, inter-mingling of people from various 'cultures' across the globe, consequent inter-mingling of 'culture', adoption and adaptation with 'foreign-culture'. With world transforming to a global village, this inter-mingling is inevitable. In such scenario, 'maintaining-our-community-culture' becomes anachronistic. Please perceive this as conglomeration and as progress of culture, perhaps towards a uniform culture across the globe.
Until some time in the past, we were living in communities for our convenience Our movements were limited with space, we were confined within closed circles, we lived as living in a cocoon, as living in a shell. But times are changing, circumstances are changing. Those TBs born before 90s, are not comfortable with change. But those born after 90s, let me term them as 21CGen, are not comfortable with no-change. They cannot afford to hold on to irrational, obsolete, practices and traditions. It is a burden for them. Their world is large, knows no boundaries. Their houses are shrinking in space, but their society is expanding breaking boundaries. They don't want anything to bind them. They think freely. They want independence yet within control. They want to live simple life, with limited household appliances. Their emphasis is on cleanliness and neatness. They are sore fed up with ego fights and ego battles in the name of culture, caste, religion, philosophy etc. Their time is too precious to waste engaging in ego-battles, debates, arguments which profit absolutely nothing. Casteism is uncivilizedness for them. They want to be Human. They desperately want to return to and get restored to humanism. They don't want any other 'ism' or 'ity'. These are not my subjective opinion. These are my findings on interviewing more than a hundred 21CGen TBs as samples. All these talk about 'TB Culture' is sentiment for them with no rationale. They do not want their minds to be conditioned and programmed to think with limits and boundaries. They do not want to be conservative. They do not want to be orthodox. They want to be liberal. It is no sin to be conservative. It is no sin to be liberal either. But unlike our generation, they prefer to be liberal. They have the guts to break barriers, break shells, break the cocoon, break free from all conditioning and programming. They are just exercising their guts.
They know no conditioning other than 'If' statement in Software. They don't wish to know any conditioning. Even the IT industry is done away with programming and progressing towards AI etc. Why would they want their minds to be programmed!!!!!
The 21CGen TBs want to be Brahmins. They don't want to be Pseudo-brahmins. Hence they marry across caste, religion, race, colour, nationality etc. The TB man wants to marry the suitable WOMAN. The TB woman wants to marry a suitable MAN. They don't want a hindu or muslim or christian or sikh or jain or foreigner or my-country-man/woman or my-same-caste-man/woman or any criterion that is nonsense. Their only objective, aim, ambition is to live-happily-ever-after.
There are volumes to post but wish to end here lest I digress from the thread theme.
I suggest you may also do some search, conduct a survey, distribute questionnaire among some 21CGen TBs as sample. Please share your findings.
I foresee even some terms like 'inter-caste' disappearing in a few decades. They will make no sense or meaning. We are moving towards a caste-less, religion-less, race-less, diversity-less world yet a good number of theists, who would believe in a God who made no religions, who has absolutely nothing to do with any religion, for that matter with anything man-made. Neither you, nor I, nor any 'komban' could stop it. Perhaps we can beat our chests, shout, cry, do tantrums, histrionics but to no avail. They will fall into deaf ears.
In recent times we are witnessing inter-gay and inter-lesbian marriages. With institution of marriage, deteriorating, decaying, degenerating to such levels, battling to maintain TB culture would probably end in defeat.
We are going to witness more and more of inter-caste, inter-religious, inter-race, inter-ethnic marriages in the days to come, to the point of becoming common such that caste, religion, race, ethnicity would be extinct. Perhaps the world is moving towards Utopia.
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GNANA SUNYAM
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Dear Bharathwaj,
Could you please specify in no uncertain terms, in no ambiguous terms, clearly, vividly, in finest terms, what do you expect a TB woman to do after marriage? Also please specify what do you expect and/or wish a TB man to do after marriage?
For instance, 'I want a TB woman to wear madisar and perform varalakshmi pooja without fail on the auspicious day every year diligently' etc,, I want the TB man to perform sandhyavandhanam at least once every day, change sacred thread during rig/yajur/sama upakarmam without fail, chant 1008 gayatri mantra diligently', etc.
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GNANA SUNYAM
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Dear Clicq and Bharathwaj,
The 21CGen TBs believe in God, are theists, but for a few agnostics.
The God of the 21CGen TBs, is one, is He who created the Universe, is He who created the Plants and Fruits and Crops to provide food for His Greates-of-all-creation-the-human-being, He created the Sun, the Moon, the Stars not for human beings to worship but to provide light and heat and energy for man to survive on this planet, created the animals, for instance the monkey and elephant, not to be worshipped as gods but to be tamed by man for his use, for his purpose etc, the elephant to carry heavy logs, the cattle to provide milk and pull carts etc, the dog to watch over his house etc, the fish for food during marine journey etc.
The God of the 21CGen never founded any religion, any 'ism' or any 'ity'. The 'ism's and 'ity's are mere man's creation, product of the cunning and crafty man's cunningness and craftiness to influence and to suppress and oppress the gullible man, the innocent man.
The 21CGen want peace, harmony. They are fed up with wars and battles fought merely for religious gain. Philosophy is intellectual nonsense, does not benefit one bit. For them philosophers are hypocrites. None of them guided society to the better. They only contributed to stir up ego and to generate ego battles among men.
For 21CGen, 'Culture' is to treat everyone on par, is to consider every other human being as equal, is to mutually help each other and to make this world a beautiful place to live, to detoxicate this world from the toxic mess which their forefathers had made this world.
...and many more.
Interact with the 21CGen and your eyes will be opened to a whole lot of new world, a better world, a brighter world will be opened to you, a world you had never seen, a real world.
The 21CGen TBs believe in God, are theists, but for a few agnostics.
The God of the 21CGen TBs, is one, is He who created the Universe, is He who created the Plants and Fruits and Crops to provide food for His Greates-of-all-creation-the-human-being, He created the Sun, the Moon, the Stars not for human beings to worship but to provide light and heat and energy for man to survive on this planet, created the animals, for instance the monkey and elephant, not to be worshipped as gods but to be tamed by man for his use, for his purpose etc, the elephant to carry heavy logs, the cattle to provide milk and pull carts etc, the dog to watch over his house etc, the fish for food during marine journey etc.
The God of the 21CGen never founded any religion, any 'ism' or any 'ity'. The 'ism's and 'ity's are mere man's creation, product of the cunning and crafty man's cunningness and craftiness to influence and to suppress and oppress the gullible man, the innocent man.
The 21CGen want peace, harmony. They are fed up with wars and battles fought merely for religious gain. Philosophy is intellectual nonsense, does not benefit one bit. For them philosophers are hypocrites. None of them guided society to the better. They only contributed to stir up ego and to generate ego battles among men.
For 21CGen, 'Culture' is to treat everyone on par, is to consider every other human being as equal, is to mutually help each other and to make this world a beautiful place to live, to detoxicate this world from the toxic mess which their forefathers had made this world.
...and many more.
Interact with the 21CGen and your eyes will be opened to a whole lot of new world, a better world, a brighter world will be opened to you, a world you had never seen, a real world.
What utter nonsense. The theology described by GS is nothing but the Christian theology. Not every 21CCGen is gullible to fall for it like GS did. If one were to believe the sun, moon and the stars were created, there is nothing wrong in seeing God in an elephant or a monkey or worshipping them. There are plenty of 21CCGen who can see thorough this sweet talking fraudulence.
Strange...your words in the first paragraph are strikingly similar to some verses in the Quran, I havent read the Bible but usually the Quran and Bible have many similar verses.
So it seems to me your words describing the God of the 21CGen is very much matching some Abrahamic text most likely the Bible.
So how can that be?
I thought the God of 21CGen should be something that doesnt reflect any specific religion and be inclusive and not divisive but here you seem to be quoting the Bible if I am not mistaken.
Could you kindly state the source of the God of 21CGen?
Dear Gnana Sunyam ji,
These are 2 verses from the Quran...very similar to your concept of the God of 21CGen,
Many more verses like these are in the Quran..I am only pasting two verses.
So could you provide your source of 21CGen God?
Indeed your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then established Himself on the Throne. He makes the day and night overlap in rapid succession. He created the sun, the moon, and the stars—all subjected by His command. The creation and the command belong to Him ˹alone˺. Blessed is Allah—Lord of all worlds!
˹He also created˺ horses, mules, and donkeys for your transportation and adornment. And He creates what you do not know.
These are 2 verses from the Quran...very similar to your concept of the God of 21CGen,
Many more verses like these are in the Quran..I am only pasting two verses.
So could you provide your source of 21CGen God?
Indeed your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then established Himself on the Throne. He makes the day and night overlap in rapid succession. He created the sun, the moon, and the stars—all subjected by His command. The creation and the command belong to Him ˹alone˺. Blessed is Allah—Lord of all worlds!
˹He also created˺ horses, mules, and donkeys for your transportation and adornment. And He creates what you do not know.
As far as I know the word worshipping a monkey or an elephant isnt in the Abrahamic text.
It mostly states which animals were made for men to provide milk and a mode of transport.
There is only the mention of the Golden Calf( Calf made from gold) which was worshipped by the Jews.
I think Gnana Shunyam has added the worshipping monkey and elephant to indirectly hint about Lord Ganesha and Hanumanji in a negative manner.
Lets see what the Bible mentions about monkeys and elephants..I am not well versed with the Bible so I am copy pasting from the internet search.
Monkeys:
The Bible mentions monkeys in the context of King Solomon's imports from Tarshish, alongside gold and other precious items. However, there's no indication that these monkeys were worshipped or considered divine.
Elephants:
The Bible mentions elephants primarily in the context of ivory, which was imported from Ophir during the time of King Solomon. There's no suggestion that elephants were worshipped.
So going by the text above, that means GZero( Gnana Shunyam) is not giving the true picture of the text he is quoting from and thats blasphemous!!!LOL
GNANA SUNYAM
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Have you read the Rigveda, Samaveda, Yajurveda? Have you read the Upanishads? Have you read Bhavishya Purana, the Brahmanas, the Purushasuktham? Could you please state what the sanskrit texts say about the Prajapathi Purushaha? If you haven't please read them all.
Could you mention the names of the Yogas spoken in Bagwad Gita? Could you quote the key verses of the Yogas? Do you know how many yogas are mentioned in the Gita?
Do you know hindu theology? Does any of the CORE hindu scriptures speak of any of the gods worshipped?
Does any of the core hindu scriptures advise or command you to worship any of the creation?
Prior to the Ithihasas, Puranas etc, do you know what our forefathers worshipped?
Perhaps my findings resemble some doctrines in the Bible. Again christians themselves are divided into more than a hundred denominations, each claiming to be the only authentic one. 21CGen are not divided. How say ye mine is christian theology? Perhaps you have mastered christian theology. I have not. I do not know any theology let alone christian.
I have read the surah Al-Imran in Quran. The rest of the books I have not read and I do not know what is written. I have watched videos of Zakir Naik desperately attempting to brainwash the hindus into accepting islam which some naive, gullible hindus have fallen prey to.
I have read parts of the Bible, discuss about christianity with christian friends.
Please meet with some TBs born during 90s and after, who have cross married and get to know their opinion about God, about Religion, about caste etc.
Please respond privately lest we digress from this thread.
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GNANA SUNYAM
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Madam,
You have read the Bible and Quran more than I have read. Good.
The God of the Bible never founded any religion, never preached any religion, never preached anything that could be termed with an 'ism' or 'ity'.
I do not know about Quran and hence I refrain from commenting on the contents of the Quran.
Have you read the hindu scriptures? Please refer my response to Kala Bhairavan.
Should mention about God always be copy pasted from some text? Is it mandatory to quote from some source always? Is it mandatory to connect God always with some religion or other, some 'ism' or 'ity'? ... some 'ogy'?
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I havent read the Bible but I have read The Gita, Vedantic text eg Upanishads, Puranas,Ramayana Mahabharat etc.
I have also read the Quran in Arabic.
Wow! I didnt know that you were NOT qouting from the Bible..but your words were really almost identical...wonder how come.
GNANA SUNYAM
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'Wow!!! Great madam!!! My net knowledge is insignificant, negligible when compared with yours madam. Yes, you are correct. I am GZero.
The first of the Ten Commandments commands the Israelites to refrain from worshipping any graven image. It is written in the Old Testament, "Thou shalt not have any other gods...". Whoever has watched the movie 'Ten Commandments' would know this. Yet the same Bible mentions Israelites worshipping other gods also.
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I read your reply to Kala Bhairava ji.
You mentioned you read Surah A'li Imran( The family of Imran)...that chapter mentions the family of Imran..the grandparents of Jesus, Mother Mary and Jesus too.
I see you have a deep interest in Christianity.
GNANA SUNYAM
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Not in christianity madam. I am sore fed up with christians, with christianity and with the motley crowd of denominations in christianity battling with each other for supremacy yet none of them, not one of them, represents Jesus.
I admire Jesus, His deeds and His sermons.
In Tamil Nadu, christianity is synonymous with Nadar culture which, adulterated with pseudo-americanism, is christianity in Tamil Nadu. Visit any church in TN, the nadars dominate and this is well known fact.
I watched the movie 'Ten Commandments' in which Moses dividing the Red Sea was the most attractive scene drawing a huge audience. I had no clue who Moses was, whom he was leading out of captivity, why and when they were captived etc. Moses being put in a basket to escape from the wrath of the Pharoah, reminded me of Krishna being transported secretly by Vasudeva to escape the wrath of Kamsa. Long after watching the movie I learnt it was Old Testament story (perhaps fact). Read the Old Testament just to find answers for the earlier queries. Found some striking resemblances, in the practices of the Israelites and of Brahmins reading from the books Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.
GNANA SUNYAM
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Yes, the book of Al Imram mentions Jesus explicitly with the Aramaic pronounciation 'Isa'.
I also watched some videos on youtube by one Sadhu Chellappa claiming that Jesus is mentioned in hindu scriptures. I searched the scriptures quoted, but discovered that the quotes themselves were vague. Jesus is mentioned neither explicitly nor even implicitly in any of the hindu scriptures. I concluded those were perhaps sinister attempts to influence the naive, the gullible, to convert to christianity.
Also there are numerous videos floating in youtube claiming Jesus is found mentioned in Tamil Literature viz Thiruvasagam, Thiruvaimozhi, Thirukkural etc but discovered they were gross perverted interpretation of classic Tamil lexicon perhaps with some sinister motive/agenda.
strange...you just divorced Christianity..I thought you were married to it earlier!
I'm seeing so many social media clips of TB intercaste or interethnic weddings done in TB style. I perdonally feel they should be done in Arya Samaj style. No need for kasi yatra, mangliponnu, sitting on father lap, arunthathi star and all those things. Putting on a poonal just for a show is tantamount to ridiculing Brahmin customs. Wearing madisar has become an exotic ethnic fashion these days. My big question is if one values Brahmin culture so much so that he or she wants a TB wedding, why marry a non-Brahmin? If one is marrying interethnic, just do a civil wedding and don't bring in Brahmin culture. The most obnoxious behaviour I've noticed is one claiming to love Brahmin culture after an intercaste or interethnic/interfaith wedding by posing in madisar saree for some instagram moments and proclaiming to be strictly vegetarian. Being vegetarian doesn't equal to being a Brahmin. The former is a subset of the latter but not vice-versa.
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