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Comparing intercaste marriages (TB vs Other Brahmins)

"Sonam Raghuvanshi was in love with Raj Kushwaha and had warned her family of "consequences" if she was pressured to marry Raja Raghuvanshi, who was brutally murdered days after he married the woman, police sources said."

Cast, race, religions do not matter. Sonam and Raja had all that, but that did not help them. So instead of focusing on all that one must focus on the happiness of the couple. If Sonum's mother had let Sonum marry her lover Raja Raghuvanshi would be alive today.
 
You are missing the point completely.. Just because humans share ancient ancestry doesnt mean communities like TB havent preserved their identity through endogamy for thousands of years. Even top genetic studie s (like David Reich’s one for eg) clearly show Indian castes have been endogamous for over 2000 years . That’s not some superiority complex but that’s historical and scientific reality .
Our TB culture (hindu culture in general) is deep rooted and its about protecting a way of life: Vedas, rituals, discipline, culture, language. If that breaks, thhen the whole chain collapses. intercaste marriages, however well-intentioned, usually result in the next generation losing the connection completely. Thats just how it is.

Some say, “oh we can just train the non-Brahmin spouse to follow Brahmin customs.” But let’s be honest how realistic is that? By that logic, are you telling me the wives of ppl like S. Jaishankar, Subramanian Swamy, Raghuram Rajan, Sundar Pichai, Actorr Prasanna or Dinesh Karthik etc.. are deeply practicing Vedic traditions? Can you seriously expect someone with a completely different cultural background(be it husband or wofe) to suddenly observe rituals like sandhyavandanam, homam, shraddham, or something like that. Practically Impossible. It’s not just about learning the steps it’s about being raised in it from childhood.. That kind of experience can’t be imparted through some form of 'crash courses' . More importantly, Vedas itself doesn’t allow such mixing when it comes to eligibility for certain rituals.
Also, neuroscience studies show that people who study and chant the Vedas (mostly TB) have increased grey matter in areas related to memory, attention, and cognition . That’s not some sortof superstition, it’s a deeply structured lifestyle with real mental and spiritual benefits..

And this whole “everything is genetically mixed anyway” argument is weak. By that logic, no group should preserve anything. But Jews, Parsis, Sikhs, Muslims and even tribal groups fiercely protect their identity. Why is it only a problem when TB do it?

It's time we drop this obsession with being 'ultra-progressive' and start valuing what actually built us..!
Most of the gentlemen you mentioned have either entered into inter faith or inter caste marriages.
I don't think they are very serious about religion, let alone caste.
Dinesh Karthick is not a brahmin, I think.
This is the problem in following Hindu customs. Hinduism is not an organized religion.
It is high time Hinduism is refined in such a way it is accepted by all.
 
Most of the gentlemen you mentioned have either entered into inter faith or inter caste marriages.
I don't think they are very serious about religion, let alone caste.
Dinesh Karthick is not a brahmin, I think.
This is the problem in following Hindu customs. Hinduism is not an organized religion.
It is high time Hinduism is refined in such a way it is accepted by all.
I get what u r saying, but u seem to be looking at this from a totally different lens... You are judging the whole issue based on the celebrities which I gave as eg. I am talking from a much broader perspective, on behalf of the community as a whole.. See, I have lived in a prominent TB area- Nanganallur, for most part of my life.. i havr seen many ppl- my friends, peers, neighbors etc.. how they stop following our customs, eat non veg, do intercaste marriages, hate Brahminism just to look 'assimilated' into this Dravidian society and please others.. So this is not about celebrities only.. Thats my point.

And yes, Hinduism is not an 'organised religion like others. But that doesn’t mean it is like some free-for-all where anything goes. Every community in Sanatana Dharma has its own rules. . Tamil Brahmins followed the Vedic path for many years, which includes caste endogamy.. But It wasn’t meant to exclude others, it was to preserve something that actually worked. And, so When you say Hinduism needs to be ' refined to be accepted by all' my honest question is refined by whom?.. And for what?.. Should we throw away this 2000+ years of lived tradition just to please some modern ideas of inclusivity or something like that? That’s not refinement.. IMO, thats some sort of 'eradication' or 'aculturation' or whatever.. you can name it..

By the way, I not saying everyone has to 'compulsorily' follow this path. But dont ask the ones who r following the customs religiously to dilute their practices.. Just bcz some people moved away from tradition does not mean the whole tradition itself has gone wrong and needs to be criticised.. Then we r no different from Periyar- who blamed the tradition withoutt understanding the depth..

At some point, we need to stop this 'woke mindset' that has penetrat3d deep into our community.. !
 
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I get what u r saying, but u seem to be looking at this from a totally different lens... You are judging the whole issue based on the celebrities which I gave as eg. I am talking from a much broader perspective, on behalf of the community as a whole.. See, I have lived in a prominent TB area- Nanganallur, for most part of my life.. i havr seen many ppl- my friends, peers, neighbors etc.. how they stop following our customs, eat non veg, do intercaste marriages, hate Brahminism just to look 'assimilated' into this Dravidian society and please others.. So this is not about celebrities only.. Thats my point.

And yes, Hinduism is not an 'organised religion like others. But that doesn’t mean it is like some free-for-all where anything goes. Every community in Sanatana Dharma has its own rules. . Tamil Brahmins followed the Vedic path for many years, which includes caste endogamy.. But It wasn’t meant to exclude others, it was to preserve something that actually worked. And, so When you say Hinduism needs to be ' refined to be accepted by all' my honest question is refined by whom?.. And for what?.. Should we throw away this 2000+ years of lived tradition just to please some modern ideas of inclusivity or something like that? That’s not refinement.. IMO, thats some sort of 'eradication' or 'aculturation' or whatever.. you can name it..

By the way, I not saying everyone has to 'compulsorily' follow this path. But dont ask the ones who r following the customs religiously to dilute their practices.. Just bcz some people moved away from tradition does not mean the whole tradition itself has gone wrong and needs to be criticised.. Then we r no different from Periyar- who blamed the tradition withoutt understanding the depth..

At some point, we need to stop this 'woke mindset' that has penetrat3d deep into our community.. !
What is the percentage of inter caste marriages in Nanganallur - caste-wise and gender-wise and which community was affected most.
 
"Sonam Raghuvanshi was in love with Raj Kushwaha and had warned her family of "consequences" if she was pressured to marry Raja Raghuvanshi, who was brutally murdered days after he married the woman, police sources said."

Cast, race, religions do not matter. Sonam and Raja had all that, but that did not help them. So instead of focusing on all that one must focus on the happiness of the couple. If Sonum's mother had let Sonum marry her lover Raja Raghuvanshi would be alive today.
Sonum is a cold blooded murderer.
Its not about her happiness here.
Her boyfriend too is a murderer like her.
She could have just eloped or got married on her own or tell Raja Raghuvanshi that she was in love with someone else and tell him not to marry her.

So its not about caste or race or religion here.
Sonum and Raj Kushawa are evil humans.
Even if they got married, who knows they would have killed each other if something went wrong.
 
What is the percentage of inter caste marriages in Nanganallur - caste-wise and gender-wise and which community was affected most.
I spoke in the larger interest of our community. Honestly, I thought you might agreee to at least the sentiment behind what I said. But you chose not to, and thats completely fine.
What I shared in my earlier msga is based on what I personally seen growing up in Nanganallur. I am not claiming to have caste wise data. I am not a census officer , thats not my job. If u r really waiting for exact figures, maybe the 2027 caste census will help, if the govt chooses to release that data. .

Also, I m not the only one seeing this shift. Here is. a blog written by a TB , he clearly explains hw, over just 4 ,5 generations, our community’s core values, marriage patterns, and even basic practices have changed or hav been dropped altogether..

https://vak1969.com/2013/12/30/tambram-marriages-changes-in-4-generations-across-100-years/

Thats exactly the mindset which I was talking about in all my msgs. It does Not take a census to observe this cultural drift. ..Sometimes, we just hav to open our eye and see whats happening around us..
 
I've seen far too many cases of interethnic and interfaith marriages involving TBs that I lost count. Looks like TBs come to US and the West to become BMW (black, muslim or white). The outmarriage of TB, especially women, is so high and looks like there's a tacit acceptance by parents and the TB community as it's considered to be another sign of progress like the educational and professional attainments. Few years back, I witnessed a marriage of TB girl with a Pakistani man celebrated with gusto and participation of many TB friends. The girl is a high flying lawyer and found her man among the legal fraternity. Afro-Americans are also men of choice for the TB going by the drift. What's notable is that all these marriages are so well accepted and normalised by the community that intra-caste marriages between Brahmins are greatly reduced and have become rare. You will be lucky to witness one Iyer or Iyengar marrying another Brahmin in US today. My view on these developments is that within this generation, nothing will be left of the TB community as the offspring will belong to BMW groups. Even families who value orthodoxy and traditions such as bharatnatyam have not be spared from this. In light of this, I will pose this question: Is Brahmin migration to US a curse in disguise? All those contemplating leaving India for the west must consider this carefully.
 
I spoke in the larger interest of our community. Honestly, I thought you might agreee to at least the sentiment behind what I said. But you chose not to, and thats completely fine.
What I shared in my earlier msga is based on what I personally seen growing up in Nanganallur. I am not claiming to have caste wise data. I am not a census officer , thats not my job. If u r really waiting for exact figures, maybe the 2027 caste census will help, if the govt chooses to release that data. .

Also, I m not the only one seeing this shift. Here is. a blog written by a TB , he clearly explains hw, over just 4 ,5 generations, our community’s core values, marriage patterns, and even basic practices have changed or hav been dropped altogether..

https://vak1969.com/2013/12/30/tambram-marriages-changes-in-4-generations-across-100-years/

Thats exactly the mindset which I was talking about in all my msgs. It does Not take a census to observe this cultural drift. ..Sometimes, we just hav to open our eye and see whats happening around us..
Beautiful post.
 
I've seen far too many cases of interethnic and interfaith marriages involving TBs that I lost count. Looks like TBs come to US and the West to become BMW (black, muslim or white). The outmarriage of TB, especially women, is so high and looks like there's a tacit acceptance by parents and the TB community as it's considered to be another sign of progress like the educational and professional attainments. Few years back, I witnessed a marriage of TB girl with a Pakistani man celebrated with gusto and participation of many TB friends. The girl is a high flying lawyer and found her man among the legal fraternity. Afro-Americans are also men of choice for the TB going by the drift. What's notable is that all these marriages are so well accepted and normalised by the community that intra-caste marriages between Brahmins are greatly reduced and have become rare. You will be lucky to witness one Iyer or Iyengar marrying another Brahmin in US today. My view on these developments is that within this generation, nothing will be left of the TB community as the offspring will belong to BMW groups. Even families who value orthodoxy and traditions such as bharatnatyam have not be spared from this. In light of this, I will pose this question: Is Brahmin migration to US a curse in disguise? All those contemplating leaving India for the west must consider this carefully.
Your observation is correct. But this happening within India too. I do not know of the situation in Tamil Nadu but in major cities across India you see more and more TB Girls are marrying non-TB boys. Many TB boys who do not have the skills to procure a mate on their own are staying single.
 
Nothing can change if the parents of the girls are accepting or even encouraging of this trend. If not, open discussion about this issue must take place in every Tambrahm home with adolescent kids and boundaries outlined to them about what is acceptable and unacceptable in choice of partners. If advise and guidance is given consistently the percentage of outmarriage can be reduced. Every community has a right to fight for its survival and reasons to exist.
 
I've seen far too many cases of interethnic and interfaith marriages involving TBs that I lost count. Looks like TBs come to US and the West to become BMW (black, muslim or white). The outmarriage of TB, especially women, is so high and looks like there's a tacit acceptance by parents and the TB community as it's considered to be another sign of progress like the educational and professional attainments. Few years back, I witnessed a marriage of TB girl with a Pakistani man celebrated with gusto and participation of many TB friends. The girl is a high flying lawyer and found her man among the legal fraternity. Afro-Americans are also men of choice for the TB going by the drift. What's notable is that all these marriages are so well accepted and normalised by the community that intra-caste marriages between Brahmins are greatly reduced and have become rare. You will be lucky to witness one Iyer or Iyengar marrying another Brahmin in US today. My view on these developments is that within this generation, nothing will be left of the TB community as the offspring will belong to BMW groups. Even families who value orthodoxy and traditions such as bharatnatyam have not be spared from this. In light of this, I will pose this question: Is Brahmin migration to US a curse in disguise? All those contemplating leaving India for the west must consider this carefully.
hi

i wtnessed more than 100 marriages in US in last 25 yrs....most of them BMWs.....very famous orthodox

bharatanatyam family prefers whites.......even jews are joined with TBs....i think only latinos not much

with TBs....even blacks/afros joined our flocks....your observances mostly correct... my favorite word

is BMW.....THIS IS HAPPENING NOW..
 
Only severe inferiority complex and ignorance of glorious roots can lead to this. All the personal sacrifices and efforts in moving to west have just gone into merging with BMW groups. What's the point in shining in all fields if they can't nurture their own community? Instead, they are serving to improve the genetics of BMW. What a shame. They could have just stayed back in India. At least they would have TB lineage who would do their shraddam after they're gone.
 
I'm a long timer lurker and never posted here.I'm from a karnataka brahmin family and I've few of TB friends. One thing I've observed is Intercaste marriages among TB is very high compared to other brahmins.For example in karnataka there are 4 major brahmin communities.I've seen personally that we can put maximum percentage of intercaste marriages are between 10 to 15%.

Girls do marry out more often than men , but still their percentage is quite low(Women perhaps marry out 15% , Men perhaps marry out 10%). In my family or extended family there isn't a single intercaste marriage.But I do know few women and men in my community who had inter caste marriages.In fact compared to 2000s and 2010s , percentage of intercaste marriages is becoming stable or lower.I've attended at least 40 marriages in 2024.Out of them 39 were from within a caste.Other one is married to lingayat community who are fellow vegetarians and have similar culture.

But things are starkly different among TB friends , where too many men and women married out. In fact among TB friends there are very few children born of both TB houses.In US I've seen too many TB women married whites, blacks, chinese , hell lot of them are atheists/agnostics or nonreligious.I was really surprised how many of them are ultra progressive and woke left.

Whenever family functions happen in my family , we are glad to meet people , who speak the same language , have the similar customs, similar thinking .But I've seen among TBs too many different types of people meet in their family functions and uniqueness is pretty much lost.

I've seen similar tendencies among Telugu Brahmins, where inter caste marriages are pretty less.When I visited north indian states ,I've observed that brahmin intercaste marriages are still within 10 to 15% threshold.

My question is why only the TB community is affected so badly ? Why not other brahmins? Basically brainwashing by dravidian parties has an effect in destroying the TB community?

I feel that in the future , when dravidianism dies , one has to import brahmins from north india just like it has been done multiple times before.
The whole society is like that, inter-caste, inter-racial, inter-religious, inter-ethnic....all of them happen. It is a natural course of life. But then, there is no need to worry on the whole about the caste. I will tell you why?, In a natural mate selection, when it comes to animals, the female will chose the stronger one, like dogs, horses etc... In case of birds also, the female is the chooser, the baya weaver will only agree to mate after it inspects the nest the male has built, the insect like a dung beetle chooses whichever male makes the largest dung ball and interestingly the males race to the female which stands as the finishing line.

So, when women get empowered as in the present society, they get independent and do whatever they like. Mans position becomes a little brittle here, since unless he has money, a job, a own house, etc..etc... No modern Brahmin is offering his girl for marriage. Woman empowerment and Mad rush for the money are the causes. As far as love marriages are concerned, they too happen only as an effect of hormones (I would call it hormone madness). Mixing with others frequently destroys the hormone balance.

So, this man ends up marrying a Christian or Muslim or non-brahmin Hindu, whoever he can find. And there is this Papa samyam in horoscope match making, which is very difficult in finding the match, as the male horoscope should always have more Papa then a female. Whether Horoscope matching is right? Yes it is correct, but it should taken only to the best astrologer, who possess a bit of intuition on his own and not glib talkers whom we see in the TV and channels. In fact, I figured out that even without a horoscope, we can still make out one, if we correctly observe the face and the body, as each feature is represented by the Lagna and Rasi it is located. We have to locate the place and then form the chart. It is a bit tough, but it is still doable.

But there is good news here. When social conflicts happen, the water gets dirty and there is turmoil, after a period of time, the dirtiest particles settle in the bottom followed by small rocks and big rocks and all the dust settles down, revealing the pure water again. The process also happens in animals, the best form a class again and are called special names. To use a more recognisable analogy, When you mix Whisky with Soda and Water, and leave it for some time, the Whisky comes on the top, the Soda gets the middle and the water goes to the Bottom. When you open a can of monocrotophus or any other pesticide, the top most layer contains the most poison, the bottom is just a mixture, you have mix it again with water to spray. The mix of marriages is only a natural phenomenon, as Whisky with water and Dirty rainy water, settling down to fresh water, becoming sea water and coming back to us as pure distilled water from the sky. It happens throughout the world.
 
The whole society is like that, inter-caste, inter-racial, inter-religious, inter-ethnic....all of them happen. It is a natural course of life. But then, there is no need to worry on the whole about the caste. I will tell you why?, In a natural mate selection, when it comes to animals, the female will chose the stronger one, like dogs, horses etc... In case of birds also, the female is the chooser, the baya weaver will only agree to mate after it inspects the nest the male has built, the insect like a dung beetle chooses whichever male makes the largest dung ball and interestingly the males race to the female which stands as the finishing line.

So, when women get empowered as in the present society, they get independent and do whatever they like. Mans position becomes a little brittle here, since unless he has money, a job, a own house, etc..etc... No modern Brahmin is offering his girl for marriage. Woman empowerment and Mad rush for the money are the causes. As far as love marriages are concerned, they too happen only as an effect of hormones (I would call it hormone madness). Mixing with others frequently destroys the hormone balance.

So, this man ends up marrying a Christian or Muslim or non-brahmin Hindu, whoever he can find. And there is this Papa samyam in horoscope match making, which is very difficult in finding the match, as the male horoscope should always have more Papa then a female. Whether Horoscope matching is right? Yes it is correct, but it should taken only to the best astrologer, who possess a bit of intuition on his own and not glib talkers whom we see in the TV and channels. In fact, I figured out that even without a horoscope, we can still make out one, if we correctly observe the face and the body, as each feature is represented by the Lagna and Rasi it is located. We have to locate the place and then form the chart. It is a bit tough, but it is still doable.

But there is good news here. When social conflicts happen, the water gets dirty and there is turmoil, after a period of time, the dirtiest particles settle in the bottom followed by small rocks and big rocks and all the dust settles down, revealing the pure water again. The process also happens in animals, the best form a class again and are called special names. To use a more recognisable analogy, When you mix Whisky with Soda and Water, and leave it for some time, the Whisky comes on the top, the Soda gets the middle and the water goes to the Bottom. When you open a can of monocrotophus or any other pesticide, the top most layer contains the most poison, the bottom is just a mixture, you have mix it again with water to spray. The mix of marriages is only a natural phenomenon, as Whisky with water and Dirty rainy water, settling down to fresh water, becoming sea water and coming back to us as pure distilled water from the sky. It happens throughout the world.
I really had no idea, whisky,soda and water would separate when left to stand for sometime.

Even milk and water do no separate and its the Royal Swans in spiritual mansarovar which has the capability to separate milk from water.

Now I wonder if there are some Swans hanging around the non spiritual abodes which can separate whisky,soda and water without us having to wait for it to divide into 3 guna layers.
Water..Sattva
Soda...Rajas
Whisky...Tamas.
 
hi

i wtnessed more than 100 marriages in US in last 25 yrs....most of them BMWs.....very famous orthodox

bharatanatyam family prefers whites.......even jews are joined with TBs....i think only latinos not much

with TBs....even blacks/afros joined our flocks....your observances mostly correct... my favorite word

is BMW.....THIS IS HAPPENING NOW..
Are TB girls marrying BMWs embraced or practised their customs fully?
 
I've seen far too many cases of interethnic and interfaith marriages involving TBs that I lost count. Looks like TBs come to US and the West to become BMW (black, muslim or white). The outmarriage of TB, especially women, is so high and looks like there's a tacit acceptance by parents and the TB community as it's considered to be another sign of progress like the educational and professional attainments. Few years back, I witnessed a marriage of TB girl with a Pakistani man celebrated with gusto and participation of many TB friends. The girl is a high flying lawyer and found her man among the legal fraternity. Afro-Americans are also men of choice for the TB going by the drift. What's notable is that all these marriages are so well accepted and normalised by the community that intra-caste marriages between Brahmins are greatly reduced and have become rare. You will be lucky to witness one Iyer or Iyengar marrying another Brahmin in US today. My view on these developments is that within this generation, nothing will be left of the TB community as the offspring will belong to BMW groups. Even families who value orthodoxy and traditions such as bharatnatyam have not be spared from this. In light of this, I will pose this question: Is Brahmin migration to US a curse in disguise? All those contemplating leaving India for the west must consider this carefully.
Did TB girls marry BMW move away from customs and conventions, let alone change their religion?
 
hi

i wtnessed more than 100 marriages in US in last 25 yrs....most of them BMWs.....very famous orthodox

bharatanatyam family prefers whites.......even jews are joined with TBs....i think only latinos not much

with TBs....even blacks/afros joined our flocks....your observances mostly correct... my favorite word

is BMW.....THIS IS HAPPENING NOW..
Does it happen only among TB girls or both? If it happens only among TB girls, it is clear they don't like brahmin boys. The reason has to be identified.
 
I spoke in the larger interest of our community. Honestly, I thought you might agreee to at least the sentiment behind what I said. But you chose not to, and thats completely fine.
What I shared in my earlier msga is based on what I personally seen growing up in Nanganallur. I am not claiming to have caste wise data. I am not a census officer , thats not my job. If u r really waiting for exact figures, maybe the 2027 caste census will help, if the govt chooses to release that data. .

Also, I m not the only one seeing this shift. Here is. a blog written by a TB , he clearly explains hw, over just 4 ,5 generations, our community’s core values, marriage patterns, and even basic practices have changed or hav been dropped altogether..

https://vak1969.com/2013/12/30/tambram-marriages-changes-in-4-generations-across-100-years/

Thats exactly the mindset which I was talking about in all my msgs. It does Not take a census to observe this cultural drift. ..Sometimes, we just hav to open our eye and see whats happening around us..
You only said the above phenomenon during your stay in Nanganallur area. You might have come across background of these people. There is no separate census required for this. You conveniently throw the ball in other's court.
 
Boy meets girl. Girl meets boy. They fall in love. They marry. They live happily ever after. Chemistry becomes Physics becomes Biology becomes History.

For those born during 90s and after, religion, caste, sub-sect, horoscope are immaterial and matter least. I like him/her; He/She likes me; So we marry. You either subscribe to our marriage or get lost. As simple as that. Positive sign. Human beings are evolving. Same culture, different culture, background culture, foreground culture are absolute nonsense. Those are all conditioning of the mind, programming of the mind, obsolete, outdated, archived and are legacy. Does not benefit the generation one bit. Whatever does not benefit dispose it, discard it, destroy it. That is norm.

They do not want to get into ego clashes. There is already enough to clash about in their work place, in colleges, schools etc. There is seldom time for philosophy, religion etc which have generated and only stirred up ego, hatred and war. They want peace. For them culture has a different definition.

They see hypocrisy among self-styled champions of religion, caste, culture who preach shedding ego but practice ego war and are mired in it. HYPOCRISY!! They have seen through excess of ego combats, fed up with hypocrisy. Enough is enough for them. They want to break themselves free from all this intellectual mess.

They are being sincere, true, genuine. They want to be who they are, human beings. They don't want to carry any false tag or label viz intellectual, religion, caste, race, ethnicity. It gratifies to note that this generation are wiser than earlier ones.
 
A new trend is emerging. For liberal parents who do not wish to interfere in the choice of life partner by their sons or daughters, their only wish is that their son marries a woman and their daughter marries a man. Trust people have read between the lines.
 
A new trend is emerging. For liberal parents who do not wish to interfere in the choice of life partner by their sons or daughters, their only wish is that their son marries a woman and their daughter marries a man. Trust people have read between the lines.
LOL true..
Many of my friends too tell this...they hope their son marry a woman and their daughter marries a man.
 
I would say let people be hypocritical. Bluntness may lead to dangerous consequences. It says that it is ok to be not restrained and be out of control. The license to be free and uninhibited is the license potentially to all the notorious things people may commit. It initiated the decline of the leader of the free world. Yes it can bring the mighty down very fast and be on their knees.

Be righteous people if not at least be hypocritical
 
I would say let people be hypocritical. Bluntness may lead to dangerous consequences. It says that it is ok to be not restrained and be out of control. The license to be free and uninhibited is the license potentially to all the notorious things people may commit. It initiated the decline of the leader of the free world. Yes it can bring the mighty down very fast and be on their knees.

Be righteous people if not at least hypocritical.
Being hypocritical is fine for the outward world though I dont condone it.
But being a hypocrite is a big No No to self realization.
A hypocrite would not be able to have Tri Karana Suddhi..he wont be able to have Eka Gratha of thought, word and deed.
His mind would be agitated and fearful that his cover would be blown.
 

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