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Whither Iyers?

renuka

Well-known member
All of Krishna's exposition of Nishkámya karma to Arjuna was only to prepare him to kill all his relatives dispassionately, without compunction or remorse.
All of us also know how the ideal brahmins should be which we aren't and also that our future generations will be still further from that ideal than we are. The least we can do is make thei future better for them by coming together and devising some programmes for it. First as a community wirh same interests and goals, not just as flag bearers of brahmin dharma.
Lol!
Is that all your understood from the Geeta?
Making it sound as if Krishna was just preparing Arjuna for an external Jihad.

Geeta is Universal..its message is for entire mankind to improve and evolve.

The Geeta isnt a killing manual.
 

SRIDHAR MN

New member
Dear all,

I feel we should try to make provision for group living as far as possible in villages, towns, cities, etc. to pave the way for growth of Brahmins & their well being.

In this small way, we can buy & sell among our own and give employment opp. to our own people and make this prosperous and introduce our Brahmnical disciplines, culture etc. to children, youth & elders.

Group living, I feel, may do good; olden days called Agraharams.

Written with a good intention please so do not feel otherwise!
 

asadu

Active member
Nowadays, many people do not browse websites. Due to the onslaught of Whats app and similar micro blogging platforms, our mingling and social awareness/exposures are limited to those platforms where we think, we have covered the entire world. In today's scenario, all paid news, paid web platforms and twisted opinions and clandestine NGOs maligning Hindu culture, i expect some experienced (old/aged) members who can come out in bold and express their opinion and give suggestions and also debate/discuss our main issues so that atleast, it is known to others.

Come out say if it is right or wrong. just dont bother what others would say. extend your voice
 

Visalakshi Ramani

Well-known member
1. Agraharams don't exist anymore. There are more non brahmins than brahmins in many of the agraharams in Palakkad which I had visited! :(

2. The four VarNas;
Originally the population of every country was divided into four VarNas - all of which were equally great and also equally important to the proper functioning and governing of a country.

3. Caste system
This was later superimposed on the existing system of VarNas. Thereafter some people started feeling that they were superior to the others - just by birth and not necessarily by their character or their achievements. Sects, subsects and micro subsects managed to creep in gradually.

The original role of a Brahmin was to learn and teach all the others. He had to lead a simple and contented life following many strict austerities. A brahmin was supposed to read and teach not hoard and boast about his wealth.

4. A continuous Brain Drain has made the bright, young sons and daughters of our country spread all over the world. On them their parent do not have any control and those young things will decide to marry anyone they want to live with.

5.The mixing of Varnas ( and also Castes) has been predicted thousands of year ago. Bhagavad Gita speaks of this elaborately.

6. When Economics has become the axis around which the world rotates as it does now, such happenings are inevitable.

[ பொருளாதாரமே உலகின் வாழ்வாதாரம் ]

We should be more than happy if the boy and the girl who decide to get married belong to the same profession ( a modified and modern form of Varna) and keep at least the VarNa system alive.

Hoping or expecting to go back to the tight-knit-agraharam-style-of-life is merely a pipe dream!

https://www.eaglespace.com/spirit/gita_castesystem.php

There is no question or thought for family, lineage, gotra etc., only fulfilment of lusty desires. This is the common manner that so-called human society has diminished to in the present time. Consequently there are so many social ills occurring from such a situation as predicted in Bhagavad Gita (1:40-41) :

http://tenets.parsizoroastrianism.com/inter5.html
 

natkaushik

Active member
Whither went all those Iyers who
were wondering, " Whither Iyer"?
What is the attitude of Iyers to joining together to help each other reclaim our lost heritage viz., adhyayanam, ácáram, samskáram etc.? Studied indifference. Only pontification about what a brahmin should be but isn't and so on. Why I talk of Iyers only and not of all brahmins? Because Iyengars are well organised as a community, Iyers aren't and as it appears never will be. Iyers should first consolidate themselves as a community, as a 'Kulam' or 'vamśam' and not as a Varṇa with duties within Sanáthana Dharma. After coming together we can think about resurrecting our past 'glory'. Till then we are a bunch of has beens.
 

Visalakshi Ramani

Well-known member
Iyengars may be more organized than Iyers since they protest by street marches -
when they feel hurt by the words and actions of random, insensitive and thoughtless people.

I am sorry to say this but it is true my experience. The worst enemy of One Iyer is Another Iyer and not anyone else. They backbite, spread rumours and disturb the peace of mind in every possible manner.

Accepting or refuting this statement is left to your own discretion.
If you need proof just look around you or browse here in the Forum.

Come all Ye together. I am not the one stopping it from happening. 🙏

In Fact I will be delighted to see a Unified Iyer Community -
with less wasted words and more real achievements.

Nothing unites people like a common aim or a common enemy.
I guess now you have both of these!

P.S.

When I posted in another Forum meant for Iyers, an excellent post solving a confusion involving Brahman and Para Brahmam, the star writers there could bring themselves to accept a post from a novice and that too from a lady.

When I and my sister entered this Forum, there was a Mass Exodus of the then established writers. Later some of them tried to make us also go over to where they have started writing!

I am sure You have been long enough here to know of all the happenings and I need not tell you any more.

Good Luck and thanks for your feedback!
 

natkaushik

Active member
1. Agraharams don't exist anymore. There are more non brahmins than brahmins in many of the agraharams in Palakkad which I had visited! :(

2. The four VarNas;
Originally the population of every country was divided into four VarNas - all of which were equally great and also equally important to the proper functioning and governing of a country.

3. Caste system
This was later superimposed on the existing system of VarNas. Thereafter some people started feeling that they were superior to the others - just by birth and not necessarily by their character or their achievements. Sects, subsects and micro subsects managed to creep in gradually.

The original role of a Brahmin was to learn and teach all the others. He had to lead a simple and contented life following many strict austerities. A brahmin was supposed to read and teach not hoard and boast about his wealth.

4. A continuous Brain Drain has made the bright, young sons and daughters of our country spread all over the world. On them their parent do not have any control and those young things will decide to marry anyone they want to live with.

5.The mixing of Varnas ( and also Castes) has been predicted thousands of year ago. Bhagavad Gita speaks of this elaborately.

6. When Economics has become the axis around which the world rotates as it does now, such happenings are inevitable.

[ பொருளாதாரமே உலகின் வாழ்வாதாரம் ]

We should be more than happy if the boy and the girl who decide to get married belong to the same profession ( a modified and modern form of Varna) and keep at least the VarNa system alive.

Hoping or expecting to go back to the tight-knit-agraharam-style-of-life is merely a pipe dream!

https://www.eaglespace.com/spirit/gita_castesystem.php

There is no question or thought for family, lineage, gotra etc., only fulfilment of lusty desires. This is the common manner that so-called human society has diminished to in the present time. Consequently there are so many social ills occurring from such a situation as predicted in Bhagavad Gita (1:40-41) :

http://tenets.parsizoroastrianism.com/inter5.html
न वर्णा न वर्णाश्रमाचारधर्मा न मे धारणाध्यानयोगादयोऽपि । अनात्माश्रयाहंममाध्यासहानात् तदेकोऽवशिष्टः शिवः केवलोऽहम् ॥ ᳚The castes(वर्णा) are not for me, nor the observances (आचार) and duties (धर्म) attached to the castes and the stages of life (आश्रम). Even steadying of the mind (धारणा) , concentration (ध्यान), self-communion (योग)and other courses are not for me. For the mistaken senses of I (अहम्)and MINE (मम) which rested on the Non-Self (अनात्मा) have been abondoned. That One, the Residue, the Auspicious (शिवः)the Alone, am I. निर्वाणदशकम्। http://Sanskritdocuments.org

I would like to be a simple Iyer wanting to observe the tradition of my ancestors and pass them on to next generations.
 

asadu

Active member
न वर्णा न वर्णाश्रमाचारधर्मा न मे धारणाध्यानयोगादयोऽपि । अनात्माश्रयाहंममाध्यासहानात् तदेकोऽवशिष्टः शिवः केवलोऽहम् ॥ ᳚The castes(वर्णा) are not for me, nor the observances (आचार) and duties (धर्म) attached to the castes and the stages of life (आश्रम). Even steadying of the mind (धारणा) , concentration (ध्यान), self-communion (योग)and other courses are not for me. For the mistaken senses of I (अहम्)and MINE (मम) which rested on the Non-Self (अनात्मा) have been abondoned. That One, the Residue, the Auspicious (शिवः)the Alone, am I. निर्वाणदशकम्। http://Sanskritdocuments.org

I would like to be a simple Iyer wanting to observe the tradition of my ancestors and pass them on to next generations.
Your above quote under reference fits for a sanyasi who abondones the material world and vows for general well being of all including everything existing and non existing. For those who are grahasthas, and follow the caste dharma, as per the current circumstances, should adopt to the new regime. Atleast extend a helping hand to our community.
 

prasad1

Well-known member
न वर्णा न वर्णाश्रमाचारधर्मा न मे धारणाध्यानयोगादयोऽपि । अनात्माश्रयाहंममाध्यासहानात् तदेकोऽवशिष्टः शिवः केवलोऽहम् ॥ ᳚The castes(वर्णा) are not for me, nor the observances (आचार) and duties (धर्म) attached to the castes and the stages of life (आश्रम). Even steadying of the mind (धारणा) , concentration (ध्यान), self-communion (योग)and other courses are not for me. For the mistaken senses of I (अहम्)and MINE (मम) which rested on the Non-Self (अनात्मा) have been abondoned. That One, the Residue, the Auspicious (शिवः)the Alone, am I. निर्वाणदशकम्। http://Sanskritdocuments.org

I would like to be a simple Iyer wanting to observe the tradition of my ancestors and pass them on to next generations.
Reply in post number 31 is very generous, and polite. But it points out the hollowness of the statement in post#30.

That One, the Residue, the Auspicious (शिवः)the Alone, am I. निर्वाणदशकम्।
Then nothing should matter and Iyer, TB, Indian and all branding also vanishes.
Humanity matters as it also matters to Shiva.
 

natkaushik

Active member
Then nothing should matter and Iyer, TB, Indian and all branding also vanishes.
Humanity matters as it also matters to Shiva.
One becomes ready to receive knowledge of atma only after going through the performance of Varna asrama Dharma, nitya naimitya karmas, when his attitude becomes ready for it. Without doing anything saying that I have given up everything is incongruous.
 

prasad1

Well-known member
One becomes ready to receive knowledge of atma only after going through the performance of Varna asrama Dharma, nitya naimitya karmas, when his attitude becomes ready for it. Without doing anything saying that I have given up everything is incongruous.
What is your definition of Varna Ashram?
The four caste systems based on birth?
The four stages of the life of human beings?
 

natkaushik

Active member
What is your definition of Varna Ashram?
The four caste systems based on birth?
The four stages of the life of human beings?
I am not qualified to define Varnas. There are plenty of treatises on Dharma Sastras which define them. However, I understand that,as the name 'Varnas' imply, they are the descriptions of the different categories of functions of humans (Dharmas)(apart from those common with animals), which sustain human life. Asrama of course is what you've succinctly defined. Now that I have give up most of my Varnáśrama Dharmas and Karnas, These are no longer relevant to me. The only identify I cherish is as Iyer and the only samskaras, my family tradition.
 

prasad1

Well-known member
I am not qualified to define Varnas. There are plenty of treatises on Dharma Sastras which define them. However, I understand that,as the name 'Varnas' imply, they are the descriptions of the different categories of functions of humans (Dharmas)(apart from those common with animals), which sustain human life. Asrama of course is what you've succinctly defined. Now that I have give up most of my Varnáśrama Dharmas and Karnas, These are no longer relevant to me. The only identify I cherish is as Iyer and the only samskaras, my family tradition.
I am not asking you for a thesis on Varanas, I want to know what is the meaning of Varna ashram you are talking in your post#30. There are various definitions and various categories if Varna Ashram. What did you mean in that post?
 

natkaushik

Active member
I am not asking you for a thesis on Varanas, I want to know what is the meaning of Varna ashram you are talking in your post#30. There are various definitions and various categories if Varna Ashram. What did you mean in that post?
Post #30 was a quotation from Nirváṇa Dasakam of Śankara Bhagavatpádá. What I understood I have written in #35. Kindly enlighten us on what it is and what it isn't, instead of waiting for my views.
 

prasad1

Well-known member
Post #30 was a quotation from Nirváṇa Dasakam of Śankara Bhagavatpádá. What I understood I have written in #35. Kindly enlighten us on what it is and what it isn't, instead of waiting for my views.
I am repasting my post #34
What is your definition of Varna Ashram?
Which of the following Ashrams are you talking about?
The four caste systems based on birth? Or
The four stages of the life of human beings?
 

Visalakshi Ramani

Well-known member

மழித்தலும் நீட்டலும் வேண்டா உலகம்
பழித்தது ஒழித்து விடின்


(அதிகாரம்: கூடாவொழுக்கம் - குறள் எண்: 280)

மனத்துக்கண் மாசிலன் ஆதல் அனைத்துஅறன்
ஆகுல நீர பிற


(அதிகாரம்: அறன் வலியுறுத்தல் - குறள் எண்: 34)
 

natkaushik

Active member
I am repasting my post #34
What is your definition of Varna Ashram?
Which of the following Ashrams are you talking about?
The four caste systems based on birth? Or
The four stages of the life of human beings?
What my views are I've expressed already in my pists 35 &37.ive nothing more to add. I rest my case.
 

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