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In an Iyengar arangatram is Nataraja the presiding deity?

manianks

Member
Very simple.

If Lord Nataraja is the architect of Bharathanatyam or Sathir, as the case may be, and if he is treated as a Saivite God, then a staunch Vaishnavite has no business to learn it. It is better he or she can switch over to other forms.
In this jet age, it is an irrelevant question. Natya Sastra is based on Siva (Rudra to be precise) Thandvam and Thillai Nataraja Temple is a standing example of the dancing form of Shiva and has no preecise affiliatin to the six ways of worship enunciated by Adi Shankara and Vaishnavism is one of the six procedures of worshipping the desired diety, Art is not concerned with this way of worship
 

tmrrajan

Member
I am just inquiring our learned members for their knowledge.
This is not an Iyengar- Iyer argument.
I want a Bharatnatyam arangatrum here in the USA.
The father an Iyengar (liberal), but the teacher is Tamilian from Malaysia.
The prayers and songs were about all deities, including, Shiva, Nataraja, Rama, Krishna, Devi, and Balajee.
I asked the father if praying to Natraja was allowed for an Iyengar, he just laughed it off.
I do not know any hardcore Vaisnava to ask this question.
No offense meant.
Arangetram can happen only with Natarajar as the presiding deity !!
Correct. God of dance is Nataraja!! Student can be from any relegion. The dance also art , history in visual form.
Did any of us bother what religion/ caste our teachers in school/ college belong to ?
It all matters if the teacher has adequate knowledge & experience to share his learning!!
I admire Solomon Pappiah’s knowledge on Hinduism when I view his programs..
 

Vedavyasa

Member
I am just inquiring our learned members for their knowledge.
This is not an Iyengar- Iyer argument.
I want a Bharatnatyam arangatrum here in the USA.
The father an Iyengar (liberal), but the teacher is Tamilian from Malaysia.
The prayers and songs were about all deities, including, Shiva, Nataraja, Rama, Krishna, Devi, and Balajee.
I asked the father if praying to Natraja was allowed for an Iyengar, he just laughed it off.
I do not know any hardcore Vaisnava to ask this question.
No offense meant.
Bharatha Natyam owes its origin to the Cosmic dance of Sri Nataraja. Hence question of a vaishnavite dancing or reciting songs on Sri Nataraja or Sakthi do not offend their faith. After all, in Bagwath Gita the Lord says He is "Rudran" among "Rudras". The very fact that Sri Govindaraja reclining in Chidambaram Temple is admiring the Siva Thandava. Kindly watch in U tube the tributes paid by the Present Ahobilam Jeer on Maha Periavah. Please do not post divisive messages in this forum.
 

Vaagmi

Well-known member
When we die..we become Shava(corpse) then we become Bhasma(ashes).
No one becomes Shanka, Cakra,Gadha,,Padma upon death.
So realize Shiva before we become a Shava.
Yeah. When we die we become shava then we become Bhasma. No one becomes Trishul or Dhamru. So realize Vishnu before we become a shava.
 

Vaagmi

Well-known member
For a vaishnavite Shiva is not an alien creature to be shunned.(#6)

Then why was Shiva removed from his place in Tirugurungudi by the jeer ?
Why was no Krishna sannidhi built into the vast Meenakshi temple in Madurai. Is there a reason? If there is one, the same reason went into that decision in Tirukkurungudi also.
 

renuka

Well-known member
Yeah. When we die we become shava then we become Bhasma. No one becomes Trishul or Dhamru. So realize Vishnu before we become a shava.

Shiva is Bhasmabooshitanga(one who is adorned with ash)..
In the process of cremation the human remains become BHASMA..a stark reminder that everything goes back to SHIVA.

I dont see Vishnu anywhere in this equation?

Ashes to Ashes,Dust to Dust,
Surrender before your brains rust!
 
Best answer of all. GREAT SWAMY







1. Dance is just an art form. In Hindu tradition it is used as a means to pray. The Bharatnatya did not originate from Nataraj/ Shiva. It is just that Nataraj murthy is a dancing form of Shiva.

2. Vaishnavite Godheads are also known for dancing. A famous Shivite vAggeyakAra has written in Tamil ".........
உன் ஆடலைக்காணத்தில்லை அம்பலத்தரசனும் தன் ஆடலை விட்டுஇங்கு கோகுலம் வந்தான்..............." (the song starts with ஆடாது அசங்காது வா கண்ணா...). Yes, Krishna danced.

3. For a vaishnavite Shiva is not an alien creature to be shunned. It is just that it is the belief of a Vaishnava that every Devatha including Shiva is permeated by Lord Vishnu/Sriman Narayana the almighty God. And it is just that a vaishnavite worships only that almighty God and none else.

Coming back to the original question, if an Iyengar worships an entity called Shiva, he worships the Srimannarayana who is pervading that entity along with everything else in creation. Thus the Iyengar has no problem singing in praise of Shiva or Nataraja or what you want. He is happily singing the praise of his Srimannarayana in fact. For lesser other beings who split hairs this may sound like Latin.

I worship Vinayaka and Kali when they come in procession in the street. That does not mean I am violating the Iyengar's religious belief system. I pray to Srimannarayana in Vinayaka and Kali. That is all. Take it or leave it.
Renukaji, I have answered your question.
 
I am just inquiring our learned members for their knowledge.
This is not an Iyengar- Iyer argument.
I want a Bharatnatyam arangatrum here in the USA.
The father an Iyengar (liberal), but the teacher is Tamilian from Malaysia.
The prayers and songs were about all deities, including, Shiva, Nataraja, Rama, Krishna, Devi, and Balajee.
I asked the father if praying to Natraja was allowed for an Iyengar, he just laughed it off.
I do not know any hardcore Vaisnava to ask this question.
No offense meant.
It’s my opinion that kindly stop publishing these sort of controversial and conflicting topics. Divisions created amongst people only foster hatred. Let this forum devote time for spread of knowledge contained in various books of Veda, Bhagavatha and Puranas.
 

prasad1

Well-known member
It’s my opinion that kindly stop publishing these sort of controversial and conflicting topics. Divisions created amongst people only foster hatred. Let this forum devote time for spread of knowledge contained in various books of Veda, Bhagavatha and Puranas.
Sabesaji,
Welcome to the forum, you joined in the forum in 2015, and have posted 5 times.
We welcome your opinion, just as other people who have come and gone away from the forum.
The Administrator and owner of the forum has some basic basic vision for the forum. We accept the forum rules.
There are specific sections exclusively for what you are suggesting. Other section are for general discussion.
If you do not wish to participate in those sections you can avoid them.

Let others enjoy what suites them.
 

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