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Why I Am Not A Hindu ?- Book Review

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to compare our Scripture with Others is like comparing - Milk and Toddy.

A small request.. Lets not talk here yours and ours!!! We all are on the pursuit of Truth about God.

Having said that, your analogy of Milk and Toddy is not right, cos for some may not like milk and some may live with Toddy or SomaPana..

The logical conclusion is, How we are going to decide whats GOOD and whats BAD. .. On what basis we are going to distinguist RIght n WRONG.. Hitler is right according to him, cos his idea was a super economic power for Germany.. Stalins idea of GOOD is socialism, and for that, and for their country spirit and patriotism, they all killed millions..

In this context, on what basis you are going to condemn/support them.... This is what the dilemma Euthyphro had few millenia ago... Pls google Euthyphros Dilemma and share your thoughts here.. Thanks in advance
 
to compare Our Scripture with Other is like comparing Light and Dark
 
hare krishna ! hare Krishna!

Have you read , when Krishna departed from GOKULA - the entire village cried !

I suggest you not to stoop Krishna to this level of comparison...

You are only talking about a village crying, I have quotes of people of the entire nation weeping...

Million white superior raced germans cried when they heard the news of Hitler's suicide. There were another few millions who cried when Naturam Godse was hanged...so is the case with Saddam hussain...And if Prabakaran is shot by F16's missile, Im sure he may rank top in thamizhnadu..

Lets talk some sense here...
 
to compare Our Scripture with Other is like comparing Light and Dark


For a blind man, there is nothing called LIGHT N DARK... Lets critically examine things, than fretting out...

Im not sure if you had met a Buddhist, who shares a totally contradictory view in all aspects.. May be, its fun to add them in Hindu crowd.. but the ideology totally contradicts...
 
Palindrome,

Im quite impressed by your long post #74....I enjoyed it too..
will respond after some time.. little tight work load here!! and finding some time to sneak in here... bear with me..Thanks
 
Sapr33,

In brown:


I enjoyed that vocab, PLAUSIBLE.. rightly said.. There were times when Romans/Greeks had some concept of God, and comparing it with Hinduism,its nothing of that time line. All humans are on the pursuit of 'Truth about God' and all want to know 'who that God is all about'..

i agree...right from the day a child starts wondering about the world, he tries to search for the reason "why it is the way it is"...the term God means diff things to diff ppl..its their own discovery of "how things are they way they are"...and every though has its righful place under the sun...

All we need to keep our eyes open, critically examine what all religions talk about, and logically take a decision to say, that, a particular religion (fairly well) answers all our quests..For this we need to have a higher amount of religious freedom..Lets evaluate every thing..Lets read all religious texts and philosophies. Lets allow everyone to choose their path of chose towards reaching God.. Do you agree with me on this..

i do not understand the term "religious freedom'? i do not beleive there is any freedom in any religion. Once wedded to the world of doctrines, a man is hardly free..

i prefer faith over religion. i have no use for theology, words, philosophies, ideas, concepts, etc...i have tried reading various religious texts, i cud not find anything called a "perfect religion"...


Secondly, 'The concept of God just doest lie with proving/disproving Ramayana. A scientist/Archeologist would talk something totally against it. A philosopher would say, yes, Ramayana has some good philosophies, but not applicable in this modern day. A non-hindu theologian would say, yes, please take it as a mythology, after all mythology also helps us to set our life moral standards, but please evaluate, if you are getting a better moral standards out of that mythology.. it goes on...

Life itself can be a mythology if we live the myth called maya...if we allow the mind to live in maya, then the mind is a myth..of what use wud any text be when the illusory myth cannot be got rid of by mere words and lightiing a fire outside....

What we need to critically examine is.... Could this be right, in all accounts.. Could varna doctrine be right in terms of Human-Rights... Can I pay back the wrong I did to the one whoom I killed, just by running an orphanage or doing good deeds.. Can I get back his life,whoom Ive killed..

sigh..i request you to read on the caste system in more detail....i do not know why you wud link varna to human rights...am sorry but this is the reason why i say you sound more like a christian...

Analayse all these questions keeping in mind, God is the same, and he also commands some of the natures like 'Absolute Holiness, Absolute Justice, Absolute Love''' .. Im sure you would agree to this point of 'Nature of God"..

Before understanding "the nature of God", may i ask what is God?
 
Palindrome>>Before understanding "the nature of God", may i ask what is God?>>>

Thanks indeed for the long response.. Im due to respond to your 2 long posts.. But then, In the middle of work, so thought I would repond in detail this weekend..

But quickly this question impressed me... So, according to you, Who/Whats God? What could be God's nature?
 
Palindrome>>Before understanding "the nature of God", may i ask what is God?>>>

Thanks indeed for the long response.. Im due to respond to your 2 long posts.. But then, In the middle of work, so thought I would repond in detail this weekend..

But quickly this question impressed me... So, according to you, Who/Whats God? What could be God's nature?

if only i knew what is god...then why wud i be here...

if i knew god, then perhaps i wud be god.

why this struggle ??

well..i worship rama, krishna, shiva, ganesha, as gods or as 'protector spirits' but i need only one spirit or instead just that "one creator" for everything...so i tend to lean towards qualified monoism....

at the same time i tend to see everything as manifest from my consciousness and seek to know it or become one with it...so i tend to lean towards pure monism as well....

again at the same time i tend to see everything as run by a creator, and feel that no matter if i were to become one with my consciousness, yet i wud not be the administrator of this universe...so i tend to lean towards dualism too....

these 3 streams carry very many understreams and tributaries..some of which often cross paths somewhere in those furrows of the walnut brain, exchaging waters and concepts, its a beautiful sangam...then those streams continue on their own path; and in diff moods or in diff stages "i" move with or identify with any of those individual streams or tributaries....

if i do not know god, then how to know god's nature....sometimes i suspect i am an atheist...but then i think i have faith in everything around me, faith in that which is manifest and that which "makes it manifest", then how can i be an atheist...:help:

but i must say i have already rejected christianity...have no plans to turn back and walk that road again...
 
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For a blind man, there is nothing called LIGHT N DARK... Lets critically examine things, than fretting out...

Im not sure if you had met a Buddhist, who shares a totally contradictory view in all aspects.. May be, its fun to add them in Hindu crowd.. but the ideology totally contradicts...

Buddhism is similiar to Sanathana Dharma aka hinduism.In fact as Prince Siddharth he was born as Hindu in undivided India.

sb
 
Buddhism is similiar to Sanathana Dharma aka hinduism.In fact as Prince Siddharth he was born as Hindu in undivided India.

sb

Bala, I think you have not studied Buddhism.. Buddhism contradicts Sanatana Dharma..Rather, buddhism reject the 'Concept of God'..

One can add Buddha/Buddhists just for the head count to Hinduism(hope you are not a Hindu Munnani/RSS, but for sure, he is far away from Hindu philosophy.. Tell this to a Buddhist philospher, he would definitely make you a laughing stock!!!...

Buddha's teaching partly sidelines with aetheists in logical view, and relates to Judaism in moral standards and goes well with social thinkers... I can cite quite a lot of examples..
 
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Bala, I think you have not studied Buddhism.. Buddhism contradicts Sanatana Dharma..Rather, buddhism reject the 'Concept of God'..

One can add Buddha/Buddhists just for the head count to Hinduism(hope you are not a Hindu Munnani/RSS, but for sure, he is far away from Hindu philosophy.. Tell this to a Buddhist philospher, he would definitely make you a laughing stock!!!...

Buddha's teaching partly sidelines with aetheists in logical view, and relates to Judaism in moral standards and goes well with social thinkers... I can cite quite a lot of examples..

sapr333

buddhism is a dereivative of hinduism.Is my understanding.Buddhas teachings are being used selectively by so called buddists today.For one,to have a buddha statue is a no no as per buddhas teachings.Second there is a division amongst buddhas teachings so to speak.So,even though buddha preached a set of dharmas,but in actuality his followers have gone about doing entirely different.

sb
 
sapr333

buddhism is a dereivative of hinduism.Is my understanding.Buddhas teachings are being used selectively by so called buddists today.For one,to have a buddha statue is a no no as per buddhas teachings.Second there is a division amongst buddhas teachings so to speak.So,even though buddha preached a set of dharmas,but in actuality his followers have gone about doing entirely different.

sb

Claiming Buddhism as the derivative of Hinduism is just a piggy back pack drive.. Lets discuss what Buddha has to say about.

Secondly, its not a subject of discussion if current day Buddhists are deviating from Buddha...Lets stick on the the core teaching of respective religion, not the followers... Even Hitler/Mussolini/Naturam Godse/Narendra Modi had their own religions, that doesnt mean their religions are wrong..
 


HI...

Lets all welcome s007BALA.. I enjoyed his recent posts too..
 
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Claiming Buddhism as the derivative of Hinduism is just a piggy back pack drive.. Lets discuss what Buddha has to say about.

Secondly, its not a subject of discussion if current day Buddhists are deviating from Buddha...Lets stick on the the core teaching of respective religion, not the followers... Even Hitler/Mussolini/Naturam Godse/Narendra Modi had their own religions, that doesnt mean their religions are wrong..

Its not a claim,its a fact.Karma philosophy is a direct borrowing from hinduism to buddhism.In my opinion the 12 darshanas of hindus encompasses the entire religion industry.

Hitler was butler and mussolini was fettucini and godse was scumbag and modi is a hero for gujju hindus in gujarat.Gujarat incident happened only becoz of provocation by muslims in train and got promptly massacred later.



sb
 
Its not a claim,its a fact.Karma philosophy is a direct borrowing from hinduism to buddhism.In my opinion the 12 darshanas of hindus encompasses the entire religion industry.

sb

Yes, Karma of Buddhism is the same as Hinduism. But the key difference in Buddhism is, it rejects GOD, which totally contradicts Hinduism. Wonder why one wants to claim authority/head count over Buddhism.

Yes, I agree your point that 12 darshanas someway or other gets a blend in various religions. In that context, not just buddhism alone, all religions could be seen with the same closeness.
 
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Yes, Karma of Buddhism is the same as Hinduism. But the key difference in Buddhism is, it rejects GOD, which totally contradicts Hinduism. Wonder why one wants to claim authority/head count over Buddhism.

Vedas declare /define in many different ways and one can even construe nirguna-brahman aka an attributeless god as 'no-god' concept of nir-ishvara-vadam'!

Yes, I agree your point that 12 darshanas someway or other gets a blend in various religions. In that context, not just buddhism alone, all religions could be seen with the same closeness.

that is why our ancients called it sanathana dharma=eternal life living principles.and buddha called as 'dhamma'=buddham sharnam gacchami=sangham shranam gacchami.therefore i define our abrahamic faiths too part of the snathana dharma only not outside of it,as they are following the concept of 'ishta devata' principle as the presiding deity/originator.:hug:

sb
 
I suggest you not to stoop Krishna to this level of comparison...

You are only talking about a village crying, I have quotes of people of the entire nation weeping...

Million white superior raced germans cried when they heard the news of Hitler's suicide. There were another few millions who cried when Naturam Godse was hanged...so is the case with Saddam hussain...And if Prabakaran is shot by F16's missile, Im sure he may rank top in thamizhnadu..

Lets talk some sense here...

Please read the contents in the threads like How Varna system.... first reply me on that.

I've quoted to illustrate the people who accused LORD of stealing things, the very same people cried for his departue.. and that's about it.

since you started it, that too..

Now one question for you..

Do you know about Krishna Deva Rayar ? His court was adorned by a gem called "Appaji" ... One day the King seeked the counsel of his court, He told the court - what punishment would be fitting for a person who came to my Andhapuram Pulled my chain and kicked my chest.

Now please answer me for the King's question.

On Buddhist...

I've written about that... please do a google search and read....
 
I've quoted to illustrate the people who accused LORD of stealing things, the very same people cried for his departue.. and that's about it.
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This is again illogical. My question is, Can Lord do such unholy activities like stealing/cutting nose etc etc. Lord is supposed to Pure and powerful right!.
What if tomorrow, our Children does the same thing/leela and tells us, look I did what Lord did? Lord is supposed to an inspiration..

What would be your answer to this! Definitely, future generation children are going to ask the same!! If Lord can do the same evil of what man do often, then why we need a God?
 
cuttting nose - you mean of Surpanaka?

it is not stealing my dear .... it is neither unholy nor evil .. common use your words properly.

you haven't answered any of my question - why?

If it is evil, unholy - nobody would have cried for his departure..

LORD - supposed to be what ? is not under our assumption. HE is what HE is .

try to answer krishna deva raya's question you'll get the answer...
 
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I've quoted to illustrate the people who accused LORD of stealing things, the very same people cried for his departue.. and that's about it.
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This is again illogical. My question is, Can Lord do such unholy activities like stealing/cutting nose etc etc. Lord is supposed to Pure and powerful right!.
What if tomorrow, our Children does the same thing/leela and tells us, look I did what Lord did? Lord is supposed to an inspiration..

What would be your answer to this! Definitely, future generation children are going to ask the same!! If Lord can do the same evil of what man do often, then why we need a God?



if you are unable to explain to kids,then you are an un-fit adult,who does not know the context with which the krishna leelas are explained.first you need a guru to rectify your brain,plz do that,thnk you!its like blaming muhammad for marrying umpteen wives without knowing the times he lived and the reason behind his marriages to so many within his islamic tribes!!

sb:thumb:
 
cuttting nose - you mean of Surpanaka?


try to answer krishna deva raya's question you'll get the answer...

Would appreciate if you help me with the Krishna devarayas's question and answer too..Thanks.. Im curious
 
There is definitely a vast difference between Mohamed's unholy acts to those of Gods of Ramayana and mahabaratha..

Mohammed is just a prophet, where as Lord Rama/Krishan are gods. Gods are supposed to be the bench mark for Good/Evil and gods. If god has killed, then why cant I? So why I need such a god..Whats the purpose or impact of such god on me?
 
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There is definitely a vast difference between Mohamed's unholy acts to those of Gods of Ramayana and mahabaratha..

islam calls god=allah=nirguna brahman.prophet mohammad's revealtion thru angel gabriel as the popular version of islam,whereas the original 'as it is' from bharathams sanathana dharmas.they are our brothers and sisters,who unfortunately looted,plundered our lands & occupied it as rulers and forcibly converted a minority of population of bharatham.so,we think them as un-holy.the truth is,bharathians preached or exported religious philosophies during ancient times =sanathana dharma is the grand-parents or great great....to the power of infinity religion of the bhu-loka.

Mohammed is just a prophet, where as Lord Rama/Krishan are gods. Gods are supposed to be the bench mark for Good/Evil and gods. If god has killed, then why cant I? So why I need such a god..Whats the purpose or impact of such god on me?

its our philosophy,which accepts avataras and equate them as verily'deivam'=god.some populace of the world have difficulty in accepting a human being as god.that is why judaism calls god =yahway ,i slam=allah and christians=jesus christ.islam and judaism talk about number of prohets or gurus for their religious scriptures & sermon.christians constantly up-dated from old testament to new-testament,which is from judaism.and judaism itself is from abraham & sara = brahmaa & sara swathy.maybe becoz of my advaiting mode of thinking,my perception of religions are interconnected a single conscious stream,over a number of previous incarnations....

sb
 
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