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What Drives Success?

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There have been post written to say that "gene" alone or community alone determines the reason for success of an individual. I think this is wrong. This will give reason for the failure of individual to be attributed to parents, caste, region, and religion. Instead of taking personal responsibility for success or failure of the individual.

It is unmistaken that upbringing plays an important role in the development of the child. It need not be gene driven, even adopted children thrive if given the right circumstances.

I am quoting from an article:

Indian-Americans earn almost double the national figure (roughly $90,000 per year in median household income versus $50,000). Iranian-, Lebanese- and Chinese-Americans are also top-earners. In the last 30 years, Mormons have become leaders of corporate America, holding top positions in many of America’s most recognizable companies. These facts don’t make some groups “better” than others, and material success cannot be equated with a well-lived life. But willful blindness to facts is never a good policy.

Jewish success is the most historically fraught and the most broad-based. Although Jews make up only about 2 percent of the United States’ adult population, they account for a third of the current Supreme Court; over two-thirds of Tony Award-winning lyricists and composers; and about a third of American Nobel laureates.

The most comforting explanation of these facts is that they are mere artifacts of class — rich parents passing on advantages to their children — or of immigrants arriving in this country with high skill and education levels. Important as these factors are, they explain only a small part of the picture.

Today’s wealthy Mormon businessmen often started from humble origins. Although India and China send the most immigrants to the United States through employment-based channels, almost half of all Indian immigrants and over half of Chinese immigrants do not enter the country under those criteria. Many are poor and poorly educated. Comprehensive data published by the Russell Sage Foundation in 2013 showed that the children of Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese immigrants experienced exceptional upward mobility regardless of their parents’ socioeconomic or educational background.

Take New York City’s selective public high schools like Stuyvesant and Bronx Science, which are major Ivy League feeders. For the 2013 school year, Stuyvesant High School offered admission, based solely on a standardized entrance exam, to nine black students, 24 Hispanics, 177 whites and 620 Asians. Among the Asians of Chinese origin, many are the children of restaurant workers and other working-class immigrants.


The fact that groups rise and fall this way punctures the whole idea of “model minorities” or that groups succeed because of innate, biological differences. Rather, there are cultural forces at work.

It turns out that for all their diversity, the strikingly successful groups in America today share three traits that, together, propel success. The first is a superiority complex — a deep-seated belief in their exceptionality. The second appears to be the opposite — insecurity, a feeling that you or what you’ve done is not good enough. The third is impulse control.

Any individual, from any background, can have what we call this Triple Package of traits.
But research shows that some groups are instilling them more frequently than others, and that they are enjoying greater success.
It’s odd to think of people feeling simultaneously superior and insecure. Yet it’s precisely this unstable combination that generates drive: a chip on the shoulder, a goading need to prove oneself. Add impulse control — the ability to resist temptation — and the result is people who systematically sacrifice present gratification in pursuit of future attainment.

Ironically, each element of the Triple Package violates a core tenet of contemporary American thinking.
We know that group superiority claims are specious and dangerous, yet every one of America’s most successful groups tells itself that it’s exceptional in a deep sense. Mormons believe they are “gods in embryo” placed on earth to lead the world to salvation; they see themselves, in the historian Claudia L. Bushman’s words, as “an island of morality in a sea of moral decay.” Middle East experts and many Iranians explicitly refer to a Persian “superiority complex.” At their first Passover Seders, most Jewish children hear that Jews are the “chosen” people; later they may be taught that Jews are a moral people, a people of law and intellect, a people of survivors.

That insecurity should be a lever of success is another anathema in American culture. Feelings of inadequacy are cause for concern or even therapy; parents deliberately instilling insecurity in their children is almost unthinkable. Yet insecurity runs deep in every one of America’s rising groups; and consciously or unconsciously, they tend to instill it in their children.

A central finding in a study of more than 5,000 immigrants’ children led by the sociologist Rubén G. Rumbaut was how frequently the kids felt “motivated to achieve” because of an acute sense of obligation to redeem their parents’ sacrifices. Numerous studies, including in-depth field work conducted by the Harvard sociologist Vivian S. Louie, reveal Chinese immigrant parents frequently imposing exorbitant academic expectations on their children (“Why only a 99?”), making them feel that “family honor” depends on their success.

By contrast, white American parents have been found to be more focused on building children’s social skills and self-esteem. There’s an ocean of difference between “You’re amazing. Mommy and Daddy never want you to worry about a thing” and “If you don’t do well at school, you’ll let down the family and end up a bum on the streets.” In a study of thousands of high school students, Asian-American students reported the lowest self-esteem of any racial group, even as they racked up the highest grades.

Moreover, being an outsider in a society — and America’s most successful groups are all outsiders in one way or another — is a source of insecurity in itself. Immigrants worry about whether they can survive in a strange land, often communicating a sense of life’s precariousness to their children. Hence the common credo: They can take away your home or business, but never your education, so study harder.

In isolation, each of these three qualities would be insufficient. Alone, a superiority complex is a recipe for complacency; mere insecurity could be crippling; impulse control can produce asceticism. Only in combination do these qualities generate drive and what Tocqueville called the “longing to rise.”

Needless to say, high-achieving groups don’t instill these qualities in all their members. They don’t have to. A culture producing, say, four high achievers out of 10 would attain wildly disproportionate success if the surrounding average was one out of 20.

But this success comes at a price. Each of the three traits has its own pathologies. Impulse control can undercut the ability to experience beauty, tranquillity and spontaneous joy. Insecure people feel like they’re never good enough. “I grew up thinking that I would never, ever please my parents,” recalls the novelist Amy Tan. “It’s a horrible feeling.” Recent studies suggest that Asian-American youth have greater rates of stress (but, despite media reports to the contrary, lower rates of suicide).

A superiority complex can be even more invidious. Group supremacy claims have been a source of oppression, war and genocide throughout history. To be sure, a group superiority complex somehow feels less ugly when it’s used by an outsider minority as an armor against majority prejudices and hostility, but ethnic pride or religious zeal can turn all too easily into intolerance of its own.

Even when it functions relatively benignly as an engine of success, the combination of these three traits can still be imprisoning — precisely because of the kind of success it tends to promote. Individuals striving for material success can easily become too focused on prestige and money, too concerned with external measures of their own worth.

Research shows that perseverance and motivation can be taught, especially to young children. This supports those who, like the Nobel Prize-winning economist James J. Heckman, argue that education dollars for the underprivileged are best spent on early childhood intervention, beginning at preschool age, when kids are most formable.
The United States itself was born a Triple Package nation, with an outsize belief in its own exceptionality, a goading desire to prove itself to aristocratic Europe (Thomas Jefferson sent a giant moose carcass to Paris to prove that America’s animals were bigger than Europe’s) and a Puritan inheritance of impulse control.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/opinion/sunday/what-drives-success.html?_r=0
 
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There have been post written to say that "gene" alone or community alone determines the reason for success of an individual. I think this is wrong. This will give reason for the failure of individual to be attributed to parents, caste, region, and religion. Instead of taking personal responsibility for success or failure of the individual.
It is unmistaken that upbringing plays an important role in the development of the child. It need not be gene driven, even adopted children thrive if given the right circumstances.
I am quoting from an article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/opinion/sunday/what-drives-success.html?_r=0

There is a poor understanding of what was presented by me in the other thread on marwaris.

It is never the claim that gene "alone" or community "alone" determines the reason for success of an indeividual.

What is said is that gene certainly matters. It can not be just ignored.

The quoted passage says this: it turns out that for all their diversity, the strikingly successful groups in America today share three traits that, together, propel success. The first is a superiority complex — a deep-seated belief in their exceptionality. The second appears to be the opposite — insecurity, a feeling that you or what you’ve done is not good enough. The third is impulse control.

Genetic orientation is the given substrate from which flows traits. Traits can be acquired too but to acquire the particular trait genetic orientation helps initially. And that is the point highlighted in my post about marwaris

without appropriate genetic base the three requirements that are listed in the study can give forth negative outputs.

Upbringing certainly plays a role. But it again moulds the personality from the basic material that is there. That basic material is an expression of genes.

You have a marble block, a wooden block and a block of mud. What you make out of these depends certainly on the basic material you started with viz marble, wood and earth. That is my contention expressed in my post. You could have straightaway quoted my post in the other thread and given your views. My reply would have been the same. LOL.
 
Is it always "you are wrong" and I alone am right in every thread, every posting? Is it not possible to write without being in the first person?
Opinions can be argued without personality. But then again for some it is not possible.

Adopted children have achieved much more than their biological parents. The environment has contributed to the success of the individual.

Yes, some basic quality is needed in the gene, but a brilliant gene can be wasted.
Even the best seed, if it falls on asphalt is not going to produce the flower it was destined to produce.
A mediocre seed, if it is cultivated in the right medium will produce the result.
 
Is it always "you are wrong" and I alone am right in every thread, every posting? Is it not possible to write without being in the first person?
Opinions can be argued without personality. But then again for some it is not possible.

Adopted children have achieved much more than their biological parents. The environment has contributed to the success of the individual.

Yes, some basic quality is needed in the gene, but a brilliant gene can be wasted.
Even the best seed, if it falls on asphalt is not going to produce the flower it was destined to produce.
A mediocre seed, if it is cultivated in the right medium will produce the result.

1. Is it always "you are wrong" and I alone am right in every thread, every posting? Is it not possible to write without being in the first person?
Opinions can be argued without personality. But then again for some it is not possible.


Why this ultra sensitivity?

In the forum a debate involves asking questions, pointing out misunderstandings, asking for explanations/clarifications, even demanding an apology when limits are crossed etc., Addressing in first person is just a convenience.

I just do not understand what is wrong with that. May be you have to settle down to the fact that this is my style just as you have your own style of C and P ing passages without any value addition presuming that the members here would never have read them from their original source.

Learn first to accept others for what they are. I may sound harsh. I can not help it as you appear to be obsessed with playing hide and seek here than coming direct without any mukotta. LOL.

Where did I say you are wrong? I was only trying to find out whether you are right. You have to answer this question. Or offer an apology. The members would naturally expect you to do that.

2.Adopted children have achieved much more than their biological parents. The environment has contributed to the success of the individual.

There are utter failures of adopted children compared to their biological parents too. There are cases of brothers brought up in the same environment by parents in the same house with one achieving great heights in life and the other dying as a pathetic failure. So environment and upbringing are not just enough.

3. A mediocre seed, if it is cultivated in the right medium will produce the result.

It may grow well physically but would turn out to be just mediocre when the chips are down. LOL.

I will continue to ask you questions addressing you in first person. LOL.
 
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