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To the younger generation on this forum: Do you prefer following the Neo-Vedanta version of Hinduism versus the orthodox version?

prveeraraghavan

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There are some orthodox cultural items that I still like to follow like SandhyaVandhanam (don't do everyday, but haven't left it either) and AvaniAvittam; however, I don't find it practical to try to follow every aspect of what is outlined in Dharma Shastras or blindly worshipping the Sankaracharyas as Bhagavan, especially having been born and raised abroad. Also, some aacharams like ecchal make sense to me, but I'm not too sure I understand why I need to really follow the others in modern day times.

I find myself enjoying the more modern day Hindu movements like Chinmaya Mission or Arsha Vidya Gurukulam, as opposed to the traditional Shankaracharya lineage. That being said, I definitely want to still have the tradition of Veda Pathasalas so that we can continue to have vaadyars/shastris and temple culture.

Does anyone else feel this way? What are other's thoughts?

Are there other neo-Vedantic Hindu movements that we should also be wary of? Ramakrishna Mission seems like it can be subverted very easily with Western Universalism. I never liked ISKCON. I also am not a fan of the pseudo-spiritual movements like the Art of Living. I'm more neutral about Sadhguru and Isha Foundation for right now.
 

prasad1

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I do not qualify as Younger Generation.
But I too belong to Chinmaya Mission and Arsha Vidya.
I have attended the Ramakrishna Mission, I have visited Gokul the wonderful Foodservice from ISKON.
I do like the Isha Foundation.

I am not into ritualism.
 

tbs

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hi

i had traditional veda patashala study....but i feel ..community has to respect vadyars/temple priests....

we like vadyars/temple priests for our rituals....but in christianity/other religions.....priests are more

respected than hinduism....even newly elected senator from georgia USA is reverend pastor from church...

but hinduism....vadyars/ priests for granted....so younger generations are not attracted towards

traditional system of vedic studies....there is a lot of social/economical issues....as a community....

we have some attitudes towards vadyars/priests.....im balanced....some problems with vadyars/priests too..
 

prasad1

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I consider vadyars is a profession or a trade.
Some of the Priest do a lot more for their congregation than rituals. They take it as a calling.
So to equate Vadyars with a minister is not right.
But we are digressing from the thread topic.
I learned a lot from Swami Chinmayanada than the shastrigal.
But then again I was not impressed with ritualism.

It is a personal choice. Probably we are all wrong (or right) as no one really knows where we are going.
 
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prveeraraghavan

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hi

i had traditional veda patashala study....but i feel ..community has to respect vadyars/temple priests....

we like vadyars/temple priests for our rituals....but in christianity/other religions.....priests are more

respected than hinduism....even newly elected senator from georgia USA is reverend pastor from church...

but hinduism....vadyars/ priests for granted....so younger generations are not attracted towards

traditional system of vedic studies....there is a lot of social/economical issues....as a community....

we have some attitudes towards vadyars/priests.....im balanced....some problems with vadyars/priests too..
I respect Vaadyars for going through the Veda Pathasala system. I also want to keep the temple culture going because that is our heritage and history.

That being said, I believe the Vaadyars need to educate the public on the vast knowledge of what exists in Vedas beyond just doing temple rituals.

Vedas is knowledge. We need those who went through the Pathasalas to spread the practical knowledge to the public.
 
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prveeraraghavan

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I do not qualify as Younger Generation.
But I too belong to Chinmaya Mission and Arsha Vidya.
I have attended the Ramakrishna Mission, I have visited Gokul the wonderful Foodservice from ISKON.
I do like the Isha Foundation.

I am not into ritualism.
I'm somewhere in between.

I'm not blindly into ritualism, but I like some of them.

Avani Avittam is more of paying homage to my ancestors more so than it is a ritual to me.

Likewise, I don't mind the rituals that are connecting us with nature, be it Sun worship or Fire worship.

Other than that, I do believe I've received a lot more knowledge from Arsha Vidya than from a Shastri or from the Mathas.
 
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prveeraraghavan

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I consider vadyars is a profession or a trade.
Some of the Priest do a lot more for their congregation than rituals. They take it as a calling.
So to equate Vadyars with a minister is not right.
But we are digressing from the thread topic.
I learned a lot from Swami Chinmayanada than the shastrigal.
But then again I was not impressed with ritualism.

It is a personal choice. Probably we are all wrong (or right) as no one really knows where we are going.
Based on your last statement, I feel like you are an agnostic overall?
 

usaiyer

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The Arsha Vidya Gurukulam in US which I visited with my family is some thing I liked.I would like to visit and spend time
in my old days there. I agree with you #1 about Iskon. though
they have a vast network all over.
Ramakrishna mission preaches less ,but have lot of social service and educational activities.
Adi Sankara was not a ritualist ,but I feel I have to read more of his works to understand what he has done for the
upliftment of Hindu Religion,
 
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prveeraraghavan

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The Arsha Vidya Gurukulam in US which I visited with my family is some thing I liked.I would like to visit and spend time
in my old days there. I agree with you #1 about Iskon. though
they have a vast network all over.
Ramakrishna mission preaches less ,but have lot of social service and educational activities.
Adi Sankara was not a ritualist ,but I feel I have to read more of his works to understand what he has done for the
upliftment of Hindu Religion,

I dont know the intentions of Adi Sankaracharya. But the current Sankaracharyas seem to be pushing rituals, aacharams, and Guru Bhakti more so than any Advaita Vedanta philosophical thinking. This is based upon what I've heard from the Anugraha Bhaashanams.

Ramakrishna Mission is okay -> my main concern with them is all Gods are equals so then they say Jesus is also a Hindu God. This type of thinking allows for subversion.
 

tbs

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hi

i agreed modern day ramakrishna mission/arsha vidya gurukulam/ISCKON is okay for liberals....

some of us more conservatives too....a doctor is prescibing medicine....becoz he is expert in medicine..

we take medicine according to his prescription...but we never as ITS INGREDIENTS...like wise

vadhyars are prescribing based on vedas/shastras.....we like it or not.....we all like AVANI AVITTAM...

but we dont know the meaning of avani avittam mantras....but we dont want to miss it..

i visited ramakrishna mission/chinmaya mission/arsha vidya gurukulam in USA and ISCKON temples too..

but i prefer balance approach....not on particular is correct...like....SARVA DEVA NAMAKARAM

KESAVAM PRATI GACCHATI....EKAM SAT VIPRAH BAHUDHAA VADANTI...
 

prasad1

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Based on your last statement, I feel like you are an agnostic overall?
I do not like labels, and sometimes written words can be misinterpreted.
I believe in Advaita, just like Adi Shankara and Swami Chinmayananda. If they were agnostic maybe I am agnostic.

I was involved in building Temples in the USA. I served as Puja Committee and Religious committee chairman. I have been Chairman of the board of Hindu center.

Have I evolved over 70 years? Yes, I have.
 

prasad1

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I dont know the intentions of Adi Sankaracharya. But the current Sankaracharyas seem to be pushing rituals, aacharams, and Guru Bhakti more so than any Advaita Vedanta philosophical thinking. This is based upon what I've heard from the Anugraha Bhaashanams.

Ramakrishna Mission is okay -> my main concern with them is all Gods are equals so then they say Jesus is also a Hindu God. This type of thinking allows for subversion.
We belong to Kanchi Matt. My parents took me there some 60 years ago. The Shankaracharya was giving Charnamrit to the devotees, One lady had her hand out, a priest came running out and whispered in Shankaracharya's ears, and he refused to serve that lady (i was told she was a Widow). I lost respect for this phony Guru that day. I would have walked out too but I did not want to insult my parents.
But I can never respect that practice.

I am part of the Women's rescue group. We provide aid to women in distress.
Yes, it is my personal judgment, and I believe I am capable of making my own choice. I do not impose my views on others.
 
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prveeraraghavan

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We belong to Kanchi Matt. My parents took me there some 60 years ago. The Shankaracharya was giving Charnamrit to the devotees, One lady had her hand out, a priest came running out and whispered in Shankaracharya's ears, and he refused to serve that lady (i was told she was a Widow). I lost respect for this phony Guru that day. I would have walked out too but I did not want to insult my parents.
But I can never respect that practice.

I am part of the Women's rescue group. We provide aid to women in distress.
Yes, it is my personal judgment, and I believe I am capable of making my own choice. I do not impose my views on others.
Are you talking about Chandrasekhara Saraswati? At least in the USA, he is worshipped by some orthodox Brahmins as a God with the same zeal that Christians worship Jesus.
 

ekaputra

Member
Also, some aacharams like ecchal make sense to me
This is a fairly common scene in Chennai and possibly in other progressive societies in India.

Three friends A, B and C go to an ice cream bar and order 3 cones - chocolate, butterscotch and strawberry. A licks the chocolate cone a few times and then passes it to B who does the same with the butterscotch before passing it to C who completes the cycle by passing his/ her cone to A. The cycle repeats for as long as there is some ice cream left.

I did not have an orthodox upbringing but I get a deep feeling of revulsion merely seeing this. I feel the (traditional) observance of Echchal makes all the more sense in these modern times.
 

prasad1

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Are you talking about Chandrasekhara Saraswati? At least in the USA, he is worshipped by some orthodox Brahmins as a God with the same zeal that Christians worship Jesus.
They may not be wrong. It is the true translation of the mahavakya.
Aham Brahamsmi.
I am not there yet.
 
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prveeraraghavan

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This is a fairly common scene in Chennai and possibly in other progressive societies in India.

Three friends A, B and C go to an ice cream bar and order 3 cones - chocolate, butterscotch and strawberry. A licks the chocolate cone a few times and then passes it to B who does the same with the butterscotch before passing it to C who completes the cycle by passing his/ her cone to A. The cycle repeats for as long as there is some ice cream left.

I did not have an orthodox upbringing but I get a deep feeling of revulsion merely seeing this. I feel the (traditional) observance of Echchal makes all the more sense in these modern times.
What's the revulsion you're feeling? I didn't follow.

I said aacharams/traditions like echhal make sense. But some don't. I don't know what the day of cutting your hair/nails has anything to do with science, morals, or dharm.
 
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renuka

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I am not a young person.
Honestly there is nothing which orthodox or Neo...none of us are reinventing the wheel.

Its just eternal timeless knowledge /wisdom and aligning ourselves to it in stages.

If we get fossilized and make anything an identity only then it becomes orthodox or neo.

Self will auto align if we are sincere in our surrender.
 
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prasad1

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This is a fairly common scene in Chennai and possibly in other progressive societies in India.

Three friends A, B and C go to an ice cream bar and order 3 cones - chocolate, butterscotch and strawberry. A licks the chocolate cone a few times and then passes it to B who does the same with the butterscotch before passing it to C who completes the cycle by passing his/ her cone to A. The cycle repeats for as long as there is some ice cream left.

I did not have an orthodox upbringing but I get a deep feeling of revulsion merely seeing this. I feel the (traditional) observance of Echchal makes all the more sense in these modern times.
Again it is culture,
During Catholic communion, both clergy and laity received the consecrated wine by drinking from the chalice, after receiving a portion of the consecrated bread,

In Algeria, it is common for families to sit around either a modern kitchen table or a small round table low to the floor and to share food from common bowls or plates.

Even in Bengal family members share the same rice heaped in the center.

We like or dislike according to our upbringing and then we modify it,

I do not think my way is the right way. Or your way is wrong.
 

k_srini66

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I KNOW MANY OF MY RELATIVE GUYS WHO ARE INTO IT SECTOR AND MOVED TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES AND HAVE FORGOTTEN OUR CULTURE DUE TO EITHER THE LIFE STYLE THERE OR BECAUSE OF SHYNESS AS KEEPING VIBUTHI ON FOREHEAD AND GOING TO OFFICE IS FELT STRANGE BY SOME OF THEM. HOW TO CORRECT THEM IS REALLY A QUESTION MARK
 

usaiyer

Member
After going through the item #18 of Shri Prasad, I was seeing
the serial 'Bhagyalakshmi' in Vijay TV where I observed that in
a birthday party after cake cutting ,one big piece from that is exchanged among members ,each one biting out a bit from it and enjoying it. Even in public places like a restaurant I have seen people sharing food item from the same bowl .The
children also follow similar practice. Soucham is important
and best learned at home .Whatever good practices we want to pass on to our youngsters should be followed by parents at home. Charity begins at home.
 
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