Spiritual Frauds

[nachi naga]

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folks,

correct me ,if i am wrong.the video broadcast,has one flaw imo.i have never known fully clothed performances on a regular basis!!!i am reminded of a famous politician in the west who was occupying the highest office categorically deny ***ual relationship?can oral **x not come under purview of man-woman relationship?wonder what sage vatayana has written,about all this.

thanks to media,our living rooms have been invaded by ghastly graphics,the children are giving us the 'looks',hmmm!!!

the swami is sueing the media,as lenin karuppan,is spilling the beans.

nachi naga.

 

[renuka]

Thanks sister Renuka,

During my young age I use to attend Rajaji's meetings along with my father. Rajaji always talks straight in simple language without bothering about the consequences. May be one can term him as failure in politics but no body can question his wisdom.

Rajaji translated Bagavath Gita in Tamil `Kannan Kaattiya Vazhi'.கண்ணன் காட்டிய வழி. Rajaji use to oppose socialism and advocate free market. In 1971, South Korea and India had same per capita income. Subsesquently, South Korea followed market economy where as India continued socialistic policies till 1991. Today South Korea has become a fully developed nation whereas India is only a developing nation.

Rajaji used to say `If I don't criticise Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru's socialistic policies, he is failing in his duty'. He use to quote from Bagavath Gita where Lord Krishna reminds Arjuna about his duties as per Kshatriya Dharma.

In the same way, if we don't tell our youngsters about the fraudulent events which are happening around us, we are failing in our duty. I earnestly feel that I am duty bound to point out the mistakes of frauds happening and hence I am writing all this. I have nothing against anybody.

It is not because of negative thoughts. I am in business for almost four decades and as matter of principle, I have to encourage good things which are happening and at the same time, I am duty bound to pull up some people who are not doing things correctly. When I pull up my people, I also feel bad about it, but if I don't do my job,I may be failing in my duty. Each one of us are duty bound to do certain things without bothering the consequences. It should not be construed as negative thought.

All the best

Dear Anna,

You are right when you say you are duty bound to pull up some people who are not doing things correctly in your bussiness/industry.
You are not swaying from your Dharma...as an employer you are duty bound for the perfect function of your industrial orchestra.

Lord Krishna adviced Arjuna to defend dharma and not to sway from Kshatriya Dharma....

I am going to repeat myself here (I said the same words in another thread)..let the present day Kshatriyas (administators/legal fraternity/police) uphold Dharma in the way best known to the Constitution...after all Lord Krishna did say this too..

"It better to do one's own Dharma even though not perfectly than doing anothers Dharma perfectly"

 

[pvraman]

The mob which vandalized the ashram exhibited the natural human nature nourished by this modern world. It again shows that the modern education has no answer to tame or or change the built-in animal nature in human.

 

[RVR]

Dear Anna,

You are right when you say you are duty bound to pull up some people who are not doing things correctly in your bussiness/industry.
You are not swaying from your Dharma...as an employer you are duty bound for the perfect function of your industrial orchestra.

Lord Krishna adviced Arjuna to defend dharma and not to sway from Kshatriya Dharma....

I am going to repeat myself here (I said the same words in another thread)..let the present day Kshatriyas (administators/legal fraternity/police) uphold Dharma in the way best known to the Constitution...after all Lord Krishna did say this too..

"It better to do one's own Dharma even though not perfectly than doing anothers Dharma perfectly"

Sister Renuka,

I already informed this forum that one of my distant relative is caught in the crossfire between Nityananda and Media. The missing boy is 25 years of age, unmarried, graduate engineer in electronics & communication and quit his lucrative software job at Bangalore and joined this ashram. He is my own brother in law's brother's son. His parents are in Mumbai and are a worried lot.

In my family circle every body use to tell me that I am a non-believer in abnormal religious activities. When I criticize these people, I am mostly isolated. I use to tell them to believe in God and not God man.

Now tracing this boy is the biggest problem. He is missing along with Nityananda. Latest information is all these people including Nityananda are hiding in some unknown place near Bangalore only. Whatever media says that he has gone to Kumba Mela is not correct.

Now when things are happening in and around me, do you want me to close my eyes, ears and mouth.

Probably if my own family circle listened to me, we could have saved this boy.

After all I am just doing some warnings only about these dubious people and nothing more than that. It is up to the other party to listen and act.

I earnestly feel that doing this simple work is just a service to the society.

Just like Rajaji telling his audience that socialism will not work and market economy alone will work, I am also telling what I feel right.

All the best

 

[C RAVI]

Sister Renuka,

I have absolutely no problem if some one follows some guru.

I have absolutely no problem in discussing with Prof Nara who has declared himself as Nasthigan in this forum

I have personally no problem discussing with believers of other faith.

Personally I have attended EVR's meetings at my younger age eventhough I don't believe all his teachings. But I respect him very much and when I use to attend his meetings, I go voluntarily with a mindset that he is going to attack my own community. I have friends from Dravidar Kazhagam even today and I have to admit here that they are very decent in spite of their anti-brahmin attitude.

But I am surprised why people want to avoid even just discussions about certain God man whose activities are suspicious. I don't know Why followers of particular sect of gurus are so sensitive to such discussions. We are just discussing/debating here and may be, we can change the mindset of few members of our forum. Beyond that we don't have any control over any of the happenings outside this forum.

I wish everybody has an open mind to discuss all these things.

All the best

Sri RVR ji,

I stand by you....My opinions are the same as yours...That's why you can see many on my Threads, Posting where I had taken the maximum efforts to high light the ground reality on any subject.

We as educated folks should never close our eyes. I can even challenge my own belief systems and can see where I stand.

To my knowledge I believe, including you and me, Sri Kunjuppu Ji, Sri Nara ji, Dr.Renjuka ji and few others are on the same wave length.

Dr.Renuka ji,

As you said perfectly, we can never change any one's belief on any God men. It requires one's own evaluation and understanding. As well we should never criticize one's belief on one's God man. It requires one's own "Vivegam" and experience.

We are living in this world where both good and bad are existing. Both these forces are within common men and God men. One should be competent enough to distinguish and follow..

Many Politicians are corrupted...
Many Judicial people are corrupted...
Many Law and Order people are corrupted...
Many Media people are corrupted...

Many Common men are corrupted......

Few Politicians are good...
Few Judicial people are good...
Few Law and Order People are good....
Few Media people are good....

Many Common men are good....

It is very difficult to find them out in a correct manner and to determine who is the leader?

But a common man can use his/her "vivegam" to find the right person and admire him/her. And for that one need to keep eyes and mind open for one’s own betterment..

 

[RVR]

Sri RVR Ji stated:
"Unfortunately my earlier exposure of a particular God man was deleted in these threads including his name wherever it appeared. This was done after four days of appearance in the forum thread. It only shows some vested interests are there everywhere to curtail the freedom of expression and protect the fraudulent God man."

I did not want to continue posting in this Forum, but since my name is being besmirched, I have to respond to defend myself.

Previously such allegations about delayed moderation and curtailing 'freedom of speech' were made, which I let go without responding because, there can be honest disagreements over these. This same person, when someone said that he preferred Bharathiar over Gandhi Ji, asked for moderation not to allow such postings! I guess the 'freedom of speech' did not apply then! There were other similar requests by this same person to curtail others' 'freedom of speech'. I amply explained my position on moderation from the perspective of what is considered as 'vulgar' elsewhere in this same thread.

He said unsavoury things about Periaval of Kanchi and when I asked him not to do so in the interest of the unity of the Forum, he complied. I personally called and explained why his posting were left out there for four days before they were moderated on. He knows the reasons. Yet he continues to wail.

The only 'vested interests' on my part are the ones that I have explained time and again. The unity of the Forum and protecting the sentiments of a large number in our community who see Saibaba as a Godman. Otherwise, I repeat, I have no interest in this Godman, as I have never seen him in person, nor do I have his picture in my home.

Yet such baseless allegation is made by this person who seems to be otherwise an example for initiatives to benefit our community.

On top of all this, he is my fellow alumnus, and it is all the more reason that I am saddened to read such words.

He has already posted other non substantiated internet videos. I always urge caution in these matters, lest some of the sensitivities of our members in this Forum are hurt. Yet, in the absence of any scenario by which discussions in this Forum can conclusively determine whether a Godman is bogus or not, there are brick bats thrown, in the name of safeguarding the 'interests' of our 'vulnerable' members.

Since I quit as a moderator sometime ago, these postings do not concern me. But there is a shining light in the name of Srimathi Renuka Ji, whose thoughts on this I very much appreciate.

Thank you for giving me a chance to clear my name.

Regards,
KRS

Sri KRS,

I never said that you are alone responsible for any of the actions done during the deletion of my postings. If you think that I am pin pointing you, then it is your problem.

I have fought the administration of this forum as a whole and has nothing personal against anybody.

We have started recording minutes of swayamvaram organisers meetings and the decisions are being taken collectively.

Finally Sri Silverfox intervened and restored my right of expression. Even though he conveyed the message, I feel that it is the collective decision of the forum administrators and not his own personal decision.

If you notice, subsequently also I never re-activated the spiritual fraud thread for long time. Now I am forced to activate due to Nityananda affair in which one boy of my own family circle is also missing.

Dr Sundaram seems to be a follower of Nityananda. When he wanted some answers to his queries, I restrained my self answering, stating that due to some problems I cannot answer in this forum. He also graciously accepted my reply and the matter is closed. My answer was not intended to provoke anybody. If you get provoked by my answer, then it is your problem and not mine.

Whatever Video link I gave was broad cast by BBC only. BBC is not a dubious news channel. If the followers of the God man were offended, they could have taken action against BBC.

Earlier episode involving Sieco watch company and the same God man was published by Illustrated Weekly of India, a Times of India group publication. Again Times of India is a most reputed news paper group in India.

When BBC started abusing Kanchi mutt, they took action against them and BBC apologized and withdrew the article. This is available in the following weblink of Kanchi mutt on 10.3.2006

kanchi-sathya.org - information on the kanchi seer, latest news on the the seer trial, facts about the kanchi mutt :: today's update ::

Why not the God man or his followers take up with BBC to withdraw the video or article if they are sure that it is doctored. Instead of refuting me, they can take up the matter with BBC.

In the absence of any action against the media in the above cases, I presume that media is correct.

I am follower of Kanchi mutt and I have criticized the present Acharya, which you have to appreciate. I always believe that no body is above board and all the public figure should be subject to criticism. I toned down my criticism after your request but still I earnestly feel administration of the Kanchi mutt has to improve and more transparency is brought to the system so that no body criticize it in the future.


Nobody in India could be compared with Mahatma Gandhi. Mahatma Gandhi is the father of the Nation. One of the members whom this forum administration banned and again re-instated, criticized Mahatma Gandhi. Another member Narayanee also criticized Mahatma Gandhi but her postings were deleted. I have nothing against Mahakavi Bharathi but just to praise Mahakavi Bharathi if some body wants to criticize Mahatma Gandhi, then it is not correct. If they want to praise Bharathi, let them do so.

Probably you and I studied physics under the same teachers. I stopped my science education with basic degree and continued some other subject for higher education. But you did post graduation in physics from the same institution and surely you must be more knowledgeable then me in Science subjects.

Is it possible to create anything out of thin air? If so, should we accept it without verification ? When one gentlemen Ramar Pillai claimed that he has discovered auto fuel from specific plants, entire country was thrilled and celebrated. But science community of IIT Madras requested him to demonstrate the same in fraud proof conditions and he miserably failed. About a decade back there was high talk about Ramar Pillai but no body seems to remember him now. I am a believer in God and at the same time I am a believer in Science also.

If any body claims that he has super natural powers, I request him to demonstrate the same in a fraud proof condition before neutral scientific community. Dr Abraham Kovoor, a renowned rationalist, offered Rs. 1 lakh award in the seventies when each US $ was less than Rs.10 conversion rate. Today I am converting the same into present US $ rate and willing to offer Rs.5 lakhs for anybody proving his super natural powers before selected scientific audience under fraud proof condition.


My above offer is open during my life time and any body interested can take up the challenge and write to me. Let anybody interested, deposit the cost of testing in the institution which I specify and conduct the test. If he succeeds, I shall reimburse cost of testing also along with the award. If the person fails in his effort, then he has to openly admit that he was been indulging in fraudulent activities at the appropriate forums and also pay damages. The damages will go to charitable institutions which I specify.

Instead of wasting time in discussions and debates, let the followers of God man claiming super natural powers, bring their Guru before scientific community for verification. If they are not willing to do so, then let them not talk about him in this forum at least.

All the best

 

[RVR]

Dear RVR sir, greetings!

This is only a friendly note of clarification, not a criticism. So, please do not take this as a negative comment from my side.

na-astikan stands for one who does not believe in the Vedas. This does not necessarily mean no belief in god. For example, Lingayats are nasthikas in the sense they reject the vedas, but they are very much theists. Tamil Saivas like Maraimalai Adigal are also nasthikas, but very ardent theists.

Coming to my status, while the label "nastika" does fit my world-view, it is quite inadequate. Further, it is not fair to be labeled as "not" a believer in vedas as though belief in vedas is the default state. Same is the case with belief in personal gods which makes one a theist, but one who does not, need not be labeled as a-theist, as though belief in personal gods is the natural default state.

Please think about it in this way, suppose that group people as "normal" and "abnormal", with "normal" to mean people who are just as is and have not developed beliefs in supernatural entities, and "abnormal" to mean people who have deviated from the normal state and have developed a belief in personal gods -- that would not describe the asthikas and theists adequately, would it?

Asthikas and Theists are welcome to call themselves that, but the rest of us who do not subscribe to such beliefs are just human beings, nothing more, nothing less.

Having said all that, I am sure your use of the term, "nasthikan" is more a short-hand to describe my word view, and that is alright, I don't mind. What I want to emphasize is, I have not declared in this forum or anywhere else, that I am a Nastika.

Cheers!

Prof Nara ji,

If I remember correct, you claimed in one of your postings that you are a Naasthigan. If you insist, I have to go through all your previous postings to dig out the statement. I hope you will not give me that trouble.

I have nothing against Naasthigas. In fact I love Naasthiga Vaatham. Debating with Naasthigas is much easier as they always have rationalistic thinking.

In my younger days, I have seen my father doing business with a gold smith who is a follower of EVR. That Gold Smith will have `Naathigam' and `Viduthalai' papers in his house and I use to read it with interest.
After his death, when we melted the ornaments made by him, it was found out that they are all of good quality 22 carat specifications. My father and me use to admire his honesty.

One of the Central Excise and Customs official of my business was very honest and sincere. I learnt Central Excise and Customs laws from him. Later I found out that he is atheist.

People talk about God fearing and all but I don't give much of weight to their statements. I have seen dishonest aasthigas as well as honest naasthigas. I always respect honesty and sincerity more than anything else.

All the best

 

[renuka]

Sister Renuka,

I already informed this forum that one of my distant relative is caught in the crossfire between Nityananda and Media. The missing boy is 25 years of age, unmarried, graduate engineer in electronics & communication and quit his lucrative software job at Bangalore and joined this ashram. He is my own brother in law's brother's son. His parents are in Mumbai and are a worried lot.

In my family circle every body use to tell me that I am a non-believer in abnormal religious activities. When I criticize these people, I am mostly isolated. I use to tell them to believe in God and not God man.

Now tracing this boy is the biggest problem. He is missing along with Nityananda. Latest information is all these people including Nityananda are hiding in some unknown place near Bangalore only. Whatever media says that he has gone to Kumba Mela is not correct.

Now when things are happening in and around me, do you want me to close my eyes, ears and mouth.

Probably if my own family circle listened to me, we could have saved this boy.

After all I am just doing some warnings only about these dubious people and nothing more than that. It is up to the other party to listen and act.

I earnestly feel that doing this simple work is just a service to the society.

Just like Rajaji telling his audience that socialism will not work and market economy alone will work, I am also telling what I feel right.

All the best

Dear Anna,

I am sorry that I failed to realize your concern and worry for your relative........and your concern that this should not happen to anyone else.
I hope my post did not offend your feelings in anyway(since you are worried about the young man now)..if my post was not appropriate...I apologize again...

renu

 

[RVR]

Dear Anna,

I am sorry that I failed to realize your concern and worry for your relative........
I hope my post did not offend your feelings in anyway(since you are worried about the young man now)..if my post was not appropriate...I apologize again...

renu

I don't find fault with you. You always think on positive side only which is good. But at the same time we have to learn to avoid negative side also.


We have to pass on both good as well bad information to the appropriate circles so that some body may benefit or get warned.

Avoiding bad things is also important in life apart from going after right things.

Every mistake will hurt us.

So information has to be passed on to every body so that people do right things and avoid wrong things.

All the best.

 

[renuka]

I don't find fault with you. You always think on positive side only which is good. But at the same time we have to learn to avoid negative side also.


We have to pass on both good as well bad information to the appropriate circles so that some body may benefit or get warned.

Avoiding bad things is also important in life apart from going after right things.

Every mistake will hurt us.

So information has to be passed on to every body so that people do right things and avoid wrong things.

All the best.

Dear RVR anna,

I know you do not find fault with me....Its just that I found it a bit difficult to despise Nithyananda as I have not heard his side of the story...and I too sincerely hope that even if he is "guilty" of not practising what he preached, he will turn over a new leaf and emerge a pure person eventually.

Its not that I dont want to acknowledge bad and negative things in life but its just that I want to see good also emerge from bad eventually..Good is just lying dormant in Bad too.....(just waiting to emerge)

renu

 

[nachi naga]

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rvr,

If any body claims that he has super natural powers, I request him to demonstrate the same in a fraud proof condition before neutral scientific community. Dr Abraham Kovoor, a renowned rationalist, offered Rs. 1 lakh award in the seventies when each US $ was less than Rs.10 conversion rate. Today I am converting the same into present US $ rate and willing to offer Rs.5 lakhs for anybody proving his super natural powers before selected scientific audience under fraud proof condition.

sir,Who is testing whom?material science is a 'jujuby' in front of spiritual science.our rishis of yore could travel to planets,other than earth,and write jyotisham shastrams,based on physical properties of such 7 planets and include shadowy planets part of the navagrahas.they did not spend millions of rupees of the king,and make the nation corrupt and bankrupt,not only monetarily but also morally.


bhagavan sathya sai baba,from the age of 14,in 1940 declared,that he is reincarnation of sai baba of shirdi.


does any material science in modern science,have any verifiable methodolgy,to accurately pin-point,as to who or what one was,in their previous birth?but our ancient sananthana dharma has tools to hone,to know,who or what one was during,another birth.

not only bhagavan sathya sai baba,has said who he was in previous birth,but also predicted or prophesised,that he will be born as bhagavan prema sai baba,in mandya,karnataka,india.his mother will be late kasturi.


why should bhagavan sathya sai baba,subject himself to any scientific researcher,unless and untill bhagavan himself thru his sankalpa,chooses to do so?lord krishna was called a mayavi by his detractors,but even at that time,for the awakened ones,they knew the lord has come in human form.


sir,after reading your post about nithyanandam swamigal,judging by media reports,is for illiterate citizens.you do not belong to this illiterate class,i know it.your relative is a grown up adult,capable of making adult decisions in his life.i personally think,if he wanted to dedicate his life for sanathana dharma,thats his choice.how long will parents be parenting?now the entire forum members know of this,how horrible that young man will feel,that his privacy has been intruded upon?plz think.

while you are passionate about your bhakthi and reverance to mahaswamigal of kanchi,its natural for a being to start comparing most religious leaders,keeping him the standard.shirdi sai baba was born before mahaswamigal in shirdi and the casting of his old body was done in 1918.baba told his devoted bhakthas,after 8 years he will be born in a place called parthi.


exactly in 1926,sathya narayana raju's birth,happened amongst a village called putta-parthi.


spiritual science is divine,which enobles not only humanity,but all of lords creation.


the bottom line is,do we have the the divinity within us to recognise,the lord in human form?has the lords sankalpa been bestowed on us,to live,feel,and be in rapturous happiness,to share the lord with one and all.


love all serve all,help ever hurt never....gurubhyo namaha.


nachi naga.

 

[RVR]

Sri Nachi Nagha

Long back I read an article in Illustrated Weekly of India ( a Times of India group publication) and I am able to get a link from the web explaining the article.

Commentary, March 8, 2002 — Baba's Back, A Previous Blindfold Act, and The Smart Coffee Maker: Part Two....

Times of India group has a great reputation in Indian Media and if they publish some thing wrong, they will immediately apologize without any hesitation.

I read this article in my younger days and I am sure a copy of this will be available in the library of Times of India headquarters at Mumbai.

Dr Abraham Kovoor is dead now but I am willing to carry the work which he did during his life time.

If you can bring the concerned person for scientific verification of his powers, I shall be too glad to associate myself in proceeding further on this matter.

If you can organize, please do it.

All the best

 

[nachi naga]

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Sri Nachi Nagha

Long back I read an article in Illustrated Weekly of India ( a Times of India group publication) and I am able to get a link from the web explaining the article.

Commentary, March 8, 2002 — Baba's Back, A Previous Blindfold Act, and The Smart Coffee Maker: Part Two....

Times of India group has a great reputation in Indian Media and if they publish some thing wrong, they will immediately apologize without any hesitation.

I read this article in my younger days and I am sure a copy of this will be available in the library of Times of India headquarters at Mumbai.

Dr Abraham Kovoor is dead now but I am willing to carry the work which he did during his life time.

If you can bring the concerned person for scientific verification of his powers, I shall be too glad to associate myself in proceeding further on this matter.

If you can organize, please do it.

All the best

anna rvr,

i am sure you know the way to puttaparthi,andhra pradesh.since you are the one,who is in need of clarification,don't you think,you ought to take the initiative of travelling to prashanthi nilayam,and explaining to bhagavan sathya sai baba,your divine intent,of propagating,dr.kovoor's dream!!

i am sure,knowing bhagavan sathya sai baba as much as i do,you wll be appropriately accorded the respect that you deserve.

beyond suggesting your good self,i am in no position to be 'the person' for your initiative.given your influence and standing in society,it must be a piece of cake,i am assuming.

love all serve all,hurt never help ever.

http://www.sathyasai.org

nachi naga.

 

[RVR]

Dear Sri Nachi Naga,

I don't have to go after any body. My offer is an open offer which anybody can take.

If some is willing to prove his super natural powers, I am willing to organize testing in a reputed scientific organisation.

Beyond that I cannot do any thing.

All the best

 

[renuka]

Dear RVR anna,

I really want to know Abraham Kovoor's view on Jesus Christ resurrection....
Did he think that too was an act of fraud or was he only targetting Hindu Gurus ?

Please give me some feedback if this Abraham had the same view for all religions or was just being anti hindu....
A Brahman instead of being Abraham.
(A --not, Brahman--Supreme Brahman)

renu

 

[nachi naga]

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Dear Sri Nachi Naga,

I don't have to go after any body. My offer is an open offer which anybody can take.

If some is willing to prove his super natural powers, I am willing to organize testing in a reputed scientific organisation.

Beyond that I cannot do any thing.

All the best

dear rvr,

super natural powers or para-normal powers of bhagavan sathya sai baba is a living legend.is it possible for ordinary mortal,to lead towards bhakthi just not hinduism,but all the religions in the world.that is the mahima of sai.chandrasekhara isa isa sundereshwara gowrisha.....

if you have the time and inclination,please read the web link,that i provided,its veritable treasure trove for ignorant amongst us.of course sir,its your choice,as to what you want to do...even this posts in the forum,is the leela of swami...bolo sai ram sathya sai ram..

nachi naga

 

[RVR]

Sister Renuka,

Dr Abraham Kovoor gave up christianity and wrote an article

`Bible is a Dangerous Moral Guide'. This article is available in his book

`Begone God man'

I read that article but I don't have the book now.

Some thing about the article is available in the following web link

Tarksheel Society Punjab (Regd.): Dr. Abraham T. Kovoor

May be the book will be available in some libraries.

All the best

 

[RVR]

Sri Nachi Naga,

I have lot of collections of Azhwars, Nayanmars, Arunagirinathar and others at home.

I have complete works of Swami Vivekananda and Paramacharyal's Deivathin Kural.

I don't know whether I will be able to complete and under stand all the above in my life time.

Let me first complete the above.

All the best

 

[renuka]

Sister Renuka,

Dr Abraham Kovoor gave up christianity and wrote an article

`Bible is a Dangerous Moral Guide'. This article is available in his book

`Begone God man'

I read that article but I don't have the book now.

Some thing about the article is available in the following web link

Tarksheel Society Punjab (Regd.): Dr. Abraham T. Kovoor

May be the book will be available in some libraries.

All the best

Dear RVR anna,

Thanks a lot...

Dear anna, I am going to write something here that happnened in my family when I was 10 years old...i dont mind the whole forum reading it because the whole world had already read in in 1979 when my father wrote about the miracle in Sathya Sai Baba's monthly magazine Sanathana Sarathi...

My younger brother was born with a leg bone deformity..the type where his right foot would curve infront of his left foot when he walked..as he grew older it became worse and he would trip everytime he ran.

When he was 8 years old,the orthopedician suggested major reconstructive surgery to correct the condition.
My parents were worried very much and prayed to Sathya Sai Baba to be with my brother during the surgery so that it will turn out well.

My father suggested to my mum to apply Sathya Sai Baba's vibhuti to my brothers leg just to prepare him and let Baba bless my brother for the impending surgery.
My mum applied the vibhuti for 3 days...on the 3rd day while studying my brother(8 years old then) complained to my mother that he felt pain in his leg as if someone was twisting his leg...it was so painful that he cried and fell asleep.

The next day...my father noticed that my brothers leg was no more curved...my father made my brother run on the road to see if he trips because previously my brother would trip and fall when he ran...
i can still remember my brother running on the road ...leg straight and did not fall...

When my father went back to see the doctor..it was a new doctor who saw him as the first doctor who was an indian contract doctor had gone back to India.
the new doctor thought he was seeing the wrong file and wrong patient as the new sets of Xrays did not show any deformity...

The doctor compared both sets of xrays and said only Divine intervention could have done this.

The doctor was kind enough to give a testimony and my father published it along with the article my father wrote in Sanathana Sarathi in 1979 titled "The Divine Surgeon"...

I am not writing this to promote believe in Sathya Sai Baba... but just to let you know that divine works through many ways...

Just as you feel you are cautioning others about God man..you could also be depriving someone of Divine experience...

I am not declaring here that Sathya Sai Baba is God...but in reality its Tat Tvam Asi & Aham Brahmasmi...so who isnt verily Brahman...

renu

 

[nachi naga]

re

Dear RVR anna,

I really want to know Abraham Kovoor's view on Jesus Christ resurrection....
Did he think that too was an act of fraud or was he only targetting Hindu Gurus ?

Please give me some feedback if this Abraham had the same view for all religions or was just being anti hindu....
A Brahman instead of being Abraham.
(A --not, Brahman--Supreme Brahman)

renu

renu,

dr.kovoor's presence brought about near ruination of sri lankan people.he is bad news for sri lankans.

about annagramming

a b r a h a m = b r a h m a a

s a r a = s a r a - s w a t h i

originators of abrahamic religion,namely judaism,christanity,islam.

sanathana dharma is what all religions are all about.

baba is father,the father of son of god...

wahe guru wahe guru ..sat nam...

nachi naga.

 

[SuryaKasyapa]

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The forum was going without necessity of moderator and moderation. Why to flog dead horse?

Let faith be personal.No necessity of emotional arguments.

Let us confine ourselves to many priorities where attention is needed.

In politics also where bitter disagreement is there , are they not making coalitions for a common cause?

Let us be restrained. Respecting other's faith and belief is equally important. Not believing something or somebody is also faith and a superstition in itself. Both sides do not have any unfettered right to coerce the other to follow- let the methiod be anything...word or deed...

Live and Let live..

Greetings

 

[nachi naga]

re

Sri Nachi Naga,

I have lot of collections of Azhwars, Nayanmars, Arunagirinathar and others at home.

I have complete works of Swami Vivekananda and Paramacharyal's Deivathin Kural.

I don't know whether I will be able to complete and under stand all the above in my life time.

Let me first complete the above.

All the best

dear rvr,

i totally agree.time management is an art.saiva siddhanthis,also have reincarnation of ramalinga adigalar,rishi agastya in the form of guru dattatriya siva baba aka Dr.Bhaskaran Pillai,a resident of Pennsylvania,USA. http://www.sivababa.org http://www.astroved.com maybe forum members will like to get enlightened further arut perum jyothi arut perum jyothi thani perum karunai arut perum jyothi.

wonder whose reincarnation is his holiness jayendrar saraswathi & his holiness vijayendrar saraswathi?

nachi naga.

 

[RVR]

Sister Renuka,

I am not compelling anybody to give up his faith.

But at the same time, people should not give up their scientific temperament.

It is up to each and every individual to choose his path.

I can also narrate incidents of failures involving God man including the gentleman whom you have mentioned. I have several stories of these incidents of failure with me. I am not going to publish any of them since my objective is to create a scientific mind set on our youngsters. They should question everything and should not accept any thing without verification.

Infact every brahmin youth after Upanayanam is suppose to go in search of truth. That is the significance of Upanayanam.

EVR movement helped in refining my thinking. But his party had a single point agenda of brahmin bashing.

On the contrary Dr.Abraham Kovoor went after God man and during his life time, nobody was able to snatch the Rs. 1 lakh offer from him. He went after truth in each and every claim of God men and exposed them before the public.

One of the real life incidents became an awarding winning film `Punar Janmam' in Malayalam. I got attracted to him only after seeing the film at my young age.

In both his books`Begone God man' and `Gods, Demons and Spirits', he has exposed the claims of God man.

I wish all our youngsters read the above books.

I am only continuing his mission in a small way. I just wanted to continue his mission and announced a reward of Rs.5 lakhs.

All the best

All the best

 

[nachi naga]

re

The forum was going without necessity of moderator and moderation. Why to flog dead horse?

Let faith be personal.No necessity of emotional arguments.

Let us confine ourselves to many priorities where attention is needed.

In politics also where bitter disagreement is there , are they not making coalitions for a common cause?

Let us be restrained. Respecting other's faith and belief is equally important. Not believing something or somebody is also faith and a superstition in itself. Both sides do not have any unfettered right to coerce the other to follow- let the methiod be anything...word or deed...

Live and Let live..

Greetings

thank you.

nachi naga.

 

[nachi naga]

re

dear rvr,

I can also narrate incidents of failures involving God man including the gentleman whom you have mentioned. I have several stories of these incidents of failure with me. I am not going to publish any of them since my objective is to create a scientific mind set on our youngsters. They should question everything and should not accept any thing without verification.

pardon my brief between you and renu.

bhagavan sathya sai baba has built schools,colleges,deemed universities,veda pata shala,gurudwara,mosque,church,buddhist temples......the list is endless for a spiritual aspirant,with a scientific bent of mind for the youngsters.

all of them verify and then only accept bhagavan sathya sai baba.its one of the commandments of baba,to verify him and then only accept him.fortunate are those whom he allowed to test and be accepted.sarvam sai mayam.

nachi naga.