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It's time to stop religious dicrimination against hindus when it comes to educational institutions

Jaykay767

Well-known member
On the contrary, your argument is the one that is stupid.

First off, if you are true Hindu and claim to follow Hinduism, be ready to introspect and ack. the mistakes and adharmic actions of your great govt.

Internstional media has reported on innumerable lynchings in india for the last 5 yrs, 100s of terrible beatings of Muslims captured on video are on the Internet.

Are there similar videos from Pakistan ? Are there similar reporting of Hindu persecution, beatings, lunchings, in Pakistan on internstional media ? Nope.

So yes, and this may be a terrible shock, to you, Muslims in india are treated worse than the Hindu persecution in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afganistan.

Now, I am not saying there is no Hindu persecution, but the scale of Muslim persecution in india with a terrible hate ideology behind it , is unprecedented and worse than Pakistan.

Let's keep the disucssion civil, and avoid personal attacks.
 

prasad1

Well-known member
On the contrary, your argument is the one that is stupid.

First off, if you are true Hindu and claim to follow Hinduism, be ready to introspect and ack. the mistakes and adharmic actions of your great govt.

Internstional media has reported on innumerable lynchings in india for the last 5 yrs, 100s of terrible beatings of Muslims captured on video are on the Internet.

Are there similar videos from Pakistan ? Are there similar reporting of Hindu persecution, beatings, lunchings, in Pakistan on internstional media ? Nope.

So yes, and this may be a terrible shock, to you, Muslims in india are treated worse than the Hindu persecution in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afganistan.

Now, I am not saying there is no Hindu persecution, but the scale of Muslim persecution in india with a terrible hate ideology behind it , is unprecedented and worse than Pakistan.

Let's keep the disucssion civil, and avoid personal attacks.

It is stupid to accept that India should persecute Muslims just because Muslim countries purported to have persecuted Hindus.
Even if the Muslim countries have persecuted their minorities it does not mean that India should stoop to their level.
"When they go low India should fly high". And in general, Indians do except these rouge few ignorants who want to bring India to that low level.
 
It is stupid to accept that India should persecute Muslims just because Muslim countries purported to have persecuted Hindus.
Even if the Muslim countries have persecuted their minorities it does not mean that India should stoop to their level.
"When they go low India should fly high". And in general, Indians do except these rouge few ignorants who want to bring India to that low level.
That is not what I wrote. I said the persecution of hindus in pak, bangla etc are much worse than how minorities are treated here. This is the reality. This is a statement of fact.

Only Paki/jihadi propaganda machines would write otherwise.

Lakhs of hindu and other minority refugees from these countries are waiting for eons to gain indian citizen ship. That is what started these huge deluge of reactions anyway. That is the most definitive proof of persecution. Not just repeated lies strewn around here on vigilantism and beatings...
 

No Hindus in Bangladesh in 30 years

The rate of exodus over the past 49 years points to that direction,” the Dhaka University teacher says in his book Political economy of reforming agriculture-land-water bodies in Bangladesh published yesterday. Barakat was addressing the book launching ceremony at Senate Bhaban of Dhaka University.

From 1964 to 2013, around 11.3 million Hindus left Bangladesh due to religious persecution and discrimination, he said. It means on an average 632 Hindus left the country each day and 230,612 annually. From his 30-year-long research, Barkat found that the exodus mostly took place during military governments after independence.

Before the Liberation War, the daily rate of migration was 705 while it was 512 during 1971-1981 and 438 during 1981-1991. The number increased to 767 persons each day during 1991-2001 while around 774 persons left the country during 2001-2012, the book says. DU teacher Prof Ajoy Roy said the government grabbed the properties of the Hindus during the Pakistan regime describing them as enemy property and the same properties were taken by the government after independence as vested property.

According to the book, these two measures made 60% of the Hindus landless. Retired Justice Kazi Ebadul Haque said the minorities and the poor were deprived of their land rights. For example, when a shoal rises in a river the local leaders register them in the name of poor people, but the same leaders file a case and take the land under the possessions showing the court's stay order. The deprived people remain deprived, he said, adding that the land management system should be reformed. Dhaka University teacher Prof Farid Uddin Ahmed said that the government has to ensure that the indigenous people would not be affected or harmed. “The government must ensure that the people do not think about leaving the country for once.”


Just look at the numbers reported here. Properties confiscated. People forced to leave the country. This is what real persecution looks like.. now show if this is happening to the muslims of India? Just don't blabber something because of your hatred for hindus. These guys think just repeatedly lying in goebbels style will make fiction a fact.
 

Why Pakistani Hindus leave their homes for India
About 1,200 people, who have migrated from Pakistan in the past five years, are housed in three camps in Delhi
Pakistani Hindus, who have arrived in the Indian capital in recent months, tell BBC Hindi's Zubair Ahmed that they fled their homes to escape discrimination and religious persecution.

Mala Das can just about write her name. At 16, this has been her greatest achievement. "When I came here I was completely unlettered. Today I can write my name," she says.

But Mala is still unsure about numbers - when asked about the year she came to India, she draws a blank.


Her family and neighbours say they arrived in 2011 from the Pakistani city of Hyderabad in Sindh province to escape "religious and cultural persecution and government apathy".
Rajwanti, 13, alleges that Hindu boys and girls are made to read the Quran in Pakistani schools

About 1,200 people, who have migrated from Pakistan in the past five years, are housed in three camps in Delhi and many say one of the biggest problems they faced back home was that they were unable to educate their children.

Bhagwan Das, who was among a group of 71 people who reached Delhi three weeks ago, has two growing children with no formal education. He says they were treated like "second-class citizens" in Pakistan.
"Our children don't feel welcome in schools there. Muslims taunt us for being Hindu. Our girls are also sexually harassed," Mr Das says.

There is a primary school in the migrant camp where children are taught how to read and write.

Bhagwan Das says Hindus are treated like "second-class citizens" in Pakistan
Rajwanti, 13, and other children in the camp allege that Hindu boys and girls are made to read the Quran (Muslim holy book) in Pakistani schools and that Muslim students laugh at their religious practices.

Mala says she is happy to see that Hindus in India can practice their religion openly. "Here Hindus pray without fear in temples and organise religious festivals outdoor. In Pakistan we prayed at home. If we went to temples, we avoided the gaze of our neighbours."

Ishwar Lal, 18, who came to Delhi five months ago, says he feels liberated in India. "We have full religious freedom here. We are free."

Moreover, he says, in India "everyone is respectful of each other's faith".

Pakistan was created in 1947 after being carved out of India's mainly Muslim areas. A huge exchange of population took place during the partition which was often bloody.
Today, Muslims constitute 14% of India's population, while in Pakistan, Hindus are said to be just over 2%.

There is no official estimate of the number of Pakistani Hindus living in India, but over the years, small groups have been crossing the border to reach Delhi or other northern states, such as Rajasthan and Haryana. Once in India, they apply for asylum and, eventually, citizenship.

Pahlaj says most Pakistani Hindus want to leave their country
Islamabad has repeatedly said its Hindu community is safe and reports of their leaving are exaggerated.

In a written reply to a BBC query, the Indian government has revealed that more than 1,400 Pakistanis have been given citizenship since 2011 and that an overwhelming majority of them are Hindus.

Those living in the Delhi camps, however, say they are yet to get Indian citizenship.
"We applied in 2011 but nothing has happened. The BJP government which claims to have sympathy for us is no different from other governments. We feel frustrated," says Arjun Das, who is regarded as the leader of Pakistani Hindus in Delhi camps.

Pahlaj, who arrived three weeks ago, says he is disappointed that "no Hindu leader or neighbour has visited us yet".
But most say they are happy to be in India where they feel "at home" and Pahlaj says most Pakistani Hindus want to leave their country.

"A small number has come to India. Millions of Pakistani Hindus are waiting for an opportunity to do the same".

Again people fleeing country is the definitive proof of persecution. Don't come here and say your beloved jihadi states don't persecute hindus and certainly don't lie that muslims here are in worse position.
 
There is simply no comparison at all between the level of persecution that the hindus experience in pakistan and jihadi states and how muslims are treated here.

Just compare how the demographic profiles have changed since the partition. How can you guys lie like this ? Hindus Killed, Oppressed, forced to flee - all these are definitive proofs of persecution.
 
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Hatred for hindus/ India is quite palpable in this forum. You guys have allowed vicious propaganda against India in this forum - something i do not wish to part of at all.

I only wish this forum be titled appropriately to reflect your newfound values of pro-jihad and anti-indian character.

Good bye and good luck...
 

Jaykay767

Well-known member
First off, this govt is the biggest propaganda machine in the world. Any number of lies were strewn around on whatsapp.

If the Hindu persecution was so great, why didn't this govt raise it in UN ?? And show the world proof of persecution. Why is the international media silent ? Now don't tell me the international media suddenly are pro Pakistan and anti Hindu. This story will not fly everywhere.LOL.

On the other hand, I see innumerable videos of innocents muslims beaten on the road by right wing mobs and reported on all international forums in the last 5 yrs.

And what did the govts do ? Nothing. Why didn't they issue strong condemnation and ask all right wing groups to stop such attacks ?
 

Jaykay767

Well-known member
Hilarious and sad to see the supporters trying to defend the impossible. Suddenly you cannot turn around and claim this govt is so secular, tolerant and not divisive and that it is all liberal secular fault.
 

Janaki Jambunathan

Well-known member
Reservations are constitutionally approved by multiple cabinets. And your great party atleast officially supports it. One of the key point is, even if a Dalit converts to Christianity, he is still discriminated and hence reservation should be provided. Don't convert this into another bogey of interference into Hindu insituions. (#14)

Constitution doesnot recognize portability of caste across religion when one switches over to another religion ! 'Reservation should be provided' is சொந்த புத்தி? கோணல் புத்தி!
 

Jaykay767

Well-known member
Self goal as usual eh ?
Reservation bill passed in parliament and part of constitution now, allows sc and st reservation for those converted into Christianity. So it recognises portability of decrimination faced by these groups in other religions.

Right wing is the biggest kirruku konal buddhi this country is grappling with.
 

prasad1

Well-known member
In General, Minorities suffer in many countries. I do not see that being reported in these forums.
Muslims suffering in Muslim countries too does not get any attention from denizens.
There is not much space for it.

But this "so called" created hardship for non-existant Hindu Minority in Pakistan or Bangladesh is a diversion to harass Indian-Muslims as Pakistani's is wrong.

Talk about Indians, India is not a Hindu only country, and even if it was it still must protect all of its citizens.


A Perilous Future
India and Sri Lanka may claim secular status, but the reality is that both today are consolidated Hindu and Buddhist majoritarian states, respectively. Given how religion is being deftly manipulated in both countries to wage a civilizational war against Muslims, while other minorities are left cowed, the extant majoritarianism will only widen and deepen.

With Hinduism and Buddhism rooted in the Indian subcontinent and Islam originating in the Middle East, Hindus in Sri Lanka get seen as rivals while Muslims in both India and Sri Lanka are easily marginalized as interlopers. Never mind that the vast majority of Muslims in both countries converted to Islam and have coexisted with other faiths for centuries. The fact, however, is that notwithstanding various crosscutting cleavages, democracy and demography favor majoritarianism in both India and Sri Lanka. This bodes ill for both countries’ Muslims and their societies.

 
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Janaki Jambunathan

Well-known member
And what happens to your akhand Bharat concept where all such converts are essentially hindus.?? Another bogey for convenience ? They are Hindus when you want, otherwise Christians when you don't want ??(#14)

Another bogey for convenience ? No it is bogey of 'Conversion for convenience'!!!

கோணல் புத்தி is flawed thought process when one has a புத்தி or AI in place - மந்த புத்தி is களி மண் devoid of understanding and lacks thought process. In constitutional List Parayar is included but not Christian Parayar - You may be uncomfortable with the caste coat but protected constitutionally as a Hindu - But when walk over to another religion you have to leave your caste coat on coat hanger at the entrance! You can't have 'Convenient Conversion' Of course you can walk back to earlier uncomfortable situation - "Ghar Wapsi" wearing your coat again.



Word Dailt is unconstitutional - It is not a substitute for SC!

 

Jaykay767

Well-known member
And what happens to your akhand Bharat concept where all such converts are essentially hindus.?? Another bogey for convenience ? They are Hindus when you want, otherwise Christians when you don't want ??(#14)

Another bogey for convenience ? No it is bogey of 'Conversion for convenience'!!!

கோணல் புத்தி is flawed thought process when one has a புத்தி or AI in place - மந்த புத்தி is களி மண் devoid of understanding and lacks thought process. In constitutional List Parayar is included but not Christian Parayar - You may be uncomfortable with the caste coat but protected constitutionally as a Hindu - But when walk over to another religion you have to leave your caste coat on coat hanger at the entrance! You can't have 'Convenient Conversion' Of course you can walk back to earlier uncomfortable situation - "Ghar Wapsi" wearing your coat again.



Word Dailt is unconstitutional - It is not a substitute for SC!

As always, self goal after another like your super govt.

Above is a excellent example of how Bigotry, hatred of minorities and the bogey of conversions leads to Kali Mandai and hence to Manda buddhi aka flawed thought process.

LOL !!
 

Balacs

Active member
Shastra college in our thanjavur ...
Shastra College admissions are purely on merit without any preference for caste, community or religion though it is an institution owned and run by Tamil Brahmins. I know a number of students who have either passed out or still studying there. They do, however, have a small NRI quota.
 

Balacs

Active member
In Christian and islamic institutions hindu cannot become principal but in other institutions any one can become . As i am in teaching institution i know about the admission process too. Except minorities no one gets the previlages in their respective institutions. Every institution should have preference to their community in admission, appointment and scholarship atleast 50% and scholarship open to all on merits basis
I fully agree. An year ago a Hindu Principal was sacked from a Chennai School since he was a Hindu. In fact, if I remember correctly, his termination of service letter stated this as the reason for his termination. In spite of belonging to the majority religion, there is absolutely no preference for us. Whatever we achieve is by dint of really hard work and what intelligence we are endowed with both for education and jobs. Do you think Asaduddin Owaisi will even employ a Hindu as a scavenger in one of the hospitals or other institutions or organisations he owns!
 

Jaykay767

Well-known member
Shastra College admissions are purely on merit without any preference for caste, community or religion though it is an institution owned and run by Tamil Brahmins. I know a number of students who have either passed out or still studying there. They do, however, have a small NRI quota.
Okay, fair enough !
 

Jaykay767

Well-known member

"Reservation for Dalit Christians

An individual belonging to Scheduled Tribes may profess any religion and the Castes/ Tribes included in the list of Scheduled Tribes under Article 342 of the Constitution, are entitled for getting the benefits of reservation in services of the Central Government."

Mada Sambranis lack the ability to understand the substance of arguments and counter them logically due to flawed thought process aka Manda buddhi.

LOL.
 

Janaki Jambunathan

Well-known member
Constitution provides reservation to SCs & STs only - Dalits is unconstitutional! - SC list is caste based - necessarily Hindu religion specific and excludes religions like Christian & Islam as caste concept is not associated with those religion ! ST list based on the Tribal status and nothing to do with caste and hence transcend religion (பழங்குடியினர்)

Apples and oranges may be in the same fruit basket but different and not to be compared - SC & ST in the reservation basket are different!

Your (self) goal to club them as Dalits is only golmall and unconstitutional!

மாங்கா மடயன்s may fail to understand the difference between caste and tribes!
 

Jaykay767

Well-known member
Bigotry filled mada makkus, and manga madayis cannot understands that Dalit is a constitutional word and the previous url post #38 is from the "Indian govt website" that the reservation for Christian Dalits are provided as per article 342 of the constitution.


This specifically addresses the caste system portability to Christianity, Islam and Budhhism

"The Mandal Commission Report has concluded without any doubt that among Indian Christians caste is a reality. According to the report "social and educational backwardness among" the Christian community is more or less the same as among Hindu communities. Though the caste system is peculiar to Hindu society, in actual practice, it also pervades Christian society. The Christians of Scheduled Caste Origin (Christian Dalits) suffer the same disabilities as their counterparts belonging to other religions.

In view of this, Scheduled Caste converts to Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism etc., should not be denied the benefits extended to Scheduled Castes and the same should hold good in respect of other backward classes. In some places, it was also contended that all Muslims and all Christians should be included in the list of other backward classes as these communities were indeed backward."

Ps: if you continue to use abusive words, I surely will and will take it a notch up every time you do (I didn't start, you jumped in started using abusive words). So make your pick.

By the way, don't debate on topics you are not on top. Every aspect of reservation has been covered do in the last 70 yrs including definitions and usage of word like Dalits, etc..
 
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