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It's time to stop religious dicrimination against hindus when it comes to educational institutions

Janaki Jambunathan

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மட சாம்பராணி இல்லே! மட அன்னம் - the mythical bird that can separate milk from water when both are clubed !!

But மட சாம்பராணி lacks that intelligence - when clubed as Dalits which is unconstitutional they can't separate caste based SCs from tribe based STs! மட சாம்பராணி will be மக்கு பிளாஸ்திரி if they firmly stick to their flawed opinion about Dalits like Johnson's Band Aid பிளாஸ்திரி !!!
 

Jaykay767

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Bigoted morons like you lack basic common sense to understand anything. The example given may be on scheduled tribes but that does not mean, it is not applicable for scheduled castes.

Read the next post on portability of castes to other religions. There is nothing unconstitutional to club scheduled tribes under Dalits, and the govt website itself mentions reservation for Christian Dalits. Oh you thought the heading was mine and I clubbed ST under Dalits by mistake. Bloody fool. LOL.

Mada sambrani lacks basic comprehension, go back to school you idiot.
 

Jaykay767

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Read my post properly, go to the website and read properly. The govt website talks about reservation of Christian Dalits and puts scheduled tribes under it.
 

Jaykay767

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The term dalits was in use as a translation for the British Raj census classification of Depressed Classes prior to 1935. It was popularised by the economist and reformer B. R. Ambedkar (1891–1956), who included all depressed people irrespective of their caste into the definition of dalits.[3] Hence the first group he made was called the "Labour Party" and included as its members all people of the society who were kept depressed, including women, small scale farmers and people from backward castes. Ambedkar himself was a Mahar, and in the 1970s the use of the word "dalit" was invigorated when it was adopted by the Dalit Panthers activist group
 

Jaykay767

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So the word Dalit used by the founder of the constitution B R Ambedkar is unconstitutional ? Astonishing !!

I mean, find some other inconsistency in my posts, that we can debate on !
 
Please tell me how many minorities are occupying any positions of power in politics, govt bureaucracy, and in corporate businesses and in the startup ecosystems ?

How many (if any) have ever reported to a Muslim manager in any organisation ?

will any Indian Hindu VC fund a Muslim entrepreneur ? I have not seen a single Muslims entrepreneur ever on new pages of businesses others Azim premji in decades.

Let's go by facts and anslyse how and where have Muslims benefited ? None. They have not benefited by any of the so called biased schemes which favour and appease muslims.
You seem to be blinded by your own ideas. What you have mentioned is utter nonsense. But still i tolerate, lest you will brand me as intolerant. You are aware that many entrepreneurs approach a bank for finance. The banks decides on the case after studying the project report etc. Can any bank refuse any loan to a Muslim person only because of his religion. Yesterday one young boy aged 20 who worked as an Ambulance driver was doing stunts from a train was hit by a pillar and died. He has five siblings and his father is a taxi driver. Why don't you educate this community on family planning. Azim Premji could afford innumerable children but decided to have only two. I suggest that you start preaching this community now (no matter we have lost 70 years) so that 20 years down the line they would have improved.
 

Balacs

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Just look at the numbers reported here. Properties confiscated. People forced to leave the country. This is what real persecution looks like.. now show if this is happening to the muslims of India? Just don't blabber something because of your hatred for hindus. These guys think just repeatedly lying in goebbels style will make fiction a fact.
It is amazing how some Hindus will spout utter rubbish. The Hindu population in Pakistan has come down from 26% to 3% or even less. Hindu girls are routinely kidnapped, forcibly converted to Islam and then abandoned. Muslim population is growing significantly in India not only burdening the exchequer but resulting in over consumption of scarce natural resources. India is the only country in the world where the minority have the first claim on various Government Schemes. I am not saying this but merely throwing light on what Dr. Manmohan Singh did or said. In Saudi an animal, ironically, has more rights than a Hindu!
 

prasad1

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Why have a reservation on caste basis at all?
Why not have all admission merit-based.
Give extra tuition credit to financially deprived students, or some regional groups.
 

Janaki Jambunathan

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In Christian and islamic institutions hindu cannot become principal (#9)

This sweeping statement not true - Rev.Sister Rose when she started Fatima College Madurai in 1953 made Ms.Sakuntala aTamil Brahmin the principal - She retired in 1983 - she continued even after Rev.Sister's death in 1967 - Merit was rewarded in that era - Merit may not be recognized today!
 

Janaki Jambunathan

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So the word Dalit used by the founder of the constitution B R Ambedkar is unconstitutional ? Astonishing !!

I mean, find some other inconsistency in my posts, that we can debate on !
Gandhi coined the word 'Harijan' We had even Harijan welfare department in our state - Father of the nation gave the name but now considered derogatory! You are welcome to be astonished again!

You need some other inconsistenciey in your posts for further debate meaning you are voluntarily with drawing from the debate already on - I understand - So be it with this remark !

யானை தன் தலைல தானே மண்ண போட்டுக்கும் - மக்குபிளாஸ்திரி தன் வாய்ல தானே போட்டுக்கும் பிளாஸ்திரி!!
 

Janaki Jambunathan

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Why have a reservation on caste basis at all?
Why not have all admission merit-based

Give extra tuition credit to financially deprived students, or some regional groups.
ருசி கண்ட பூனைs will resit that move - admission merit based - Financial aid means based . You saw them opposing that when 10% reservation was announced for people who are not in any of the existing reservation system - on economic criteria - Modi did implement - with no reforms in the existing systems - but added one more quota!
 

Balacs

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In Christian and islamic institutions hindu cannot become principal (#9)

This sweeping statement not true - Rev.Sister Rose when she started Fatima College Madurai in 1953 made Ms.Sakuntala aTamil Brahmin the principal - She retired in 1983 - she continued even after Rev.Sister's death in 1967 - Merit was rewarded in that era - Merit may not be recognized today!
With due respect, Sir, this is an isolated case. Today the situation is entirely different. Even when I graduated in 1977 from a world renowned college run by by a Christian Missionary in Kolkata, all Christian students, irrespective of whether they were Catholic or Protestants, were favoured for admission with even average academic scores. While the Faculty comprised people from various religions and communities, Christians were preferred. The Vice Principal and Principal were Christians. This I had observed in my College for over 40 years since graduation.
 

renuka

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It is amazing how some Hindus will spout utter rubbish. The Hindu population in Pakistan has come down from 26% to 3% or even less. Hindu girls are routinely kidnapped, forcibly converted to Islam and then abandoned. Muslim population is growing significantly in India not only burdening the exchequer but resulting in over consumption of scarce natural resources. India is the only country in the world where the minority have the first claim on various Government Schemes. I am not saying this but merely throwing light on what Dr. Manmohan Singh did or said. In Saudi an animal, ironically, has more rights than a Hindu!

In Saudi an animal has more right than a Hindu?
Really? My spouse works there and he said no one treats other religion individuals badly.
He said its unlike what the media shows and no one gets carried away by religion becos they are sure of themselves becos its their culture and their religion.
He in fact enjoys the nation saying that people are always willing to pick up good habits from other communities like vegetarianism etc and always willing to share their views while being polite and courteous.
 

Balacs

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In Saudi an animal has more right than a Hindu?
Really? My spouse works there and he said no one treats other religion individuals badly.
He said its unlike what the media shows and no one gets carried away by religion becos they are sure of themselves becos its their culture and their religion.
He in fact enjoys the nation saying that people are always willing to pick up good habits from other communities like vegetarianism etc and always willing to share their views while being polite and courteous.
A physiotherapist known to me stated this. He was in Saudi Arabia for nearly 7 years.

In Saudi Arabia there is the concept of blood money ("diyya"). If a person has been killed by someone, he has to pay blood money as follows:
300,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Muslim man
150,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Muslim woman
50,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Christian or a Jewish man
25,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Christian or a Jewish woman
6,666 Riyals if the Victim is a Hindu man
3,333 Riyals if the Victim is a Hindu woman

Saudi Arabia is a medieval country where public beheadings on Fridays and payment of blood money to victim's family is the norm.

Imagine how much of an uproar and indignation there would be if such discriminatory systems were to exist in other countries. However, no Western Government cares to take up such issues with Saudi Arabia for fear of disrupting their oil supplies.

The Saudis on their part do not bother the Chinese for torturing and trying to indoctrinate more than 1,000,000 Uighur Muslims. A nice quid pro quo!
 

renuka

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A physiotherapist known to me stated this. He was in Saudi Arabia for nearly 7 years.

In Saudi Arabia there is the concept of blood money ("diyya"). If a person has been killed by someone, he has to pay blood money as follows:
300,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Muslim man
150,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Muslim woman
50,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Christian or a Jewish man
25,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Christian or a Jewish woman
6,666 Riyals if the Victim is a Hindu man
3,333 Riyals if the Victim is a Hindu woman

Saudi Arabia is a medieval country where public beheadings on Fridays and payment of blood money to victim's family is the norm.

Imagine how much of an uproar and indignation there would be if such discriminatory systems were to exist in other countries. However, no Western Government cares to take up such issues with Saudi Arabia for fear of disrupting their oil supplies.

The Saudis on their part do not bother the Chinese for torturing and trying to indoctrinate more than 1,000,000 Uighur Muslims. A nice quid pro quo!
If one behaves the above rule wont apply.
Blood money only works if the victim's family is willing to accept it.

Coming to the rates for each religion and gender...Manu smriti too has such rates depending on varna and the last varna is the cheapest of all to pay a fine and let's not forget that in Saudi a muslim himself would face the death sentence if convicted.
A prince himself faced a death sentence for killing a commoner a few years back.
But not so in Manu's smirti where are Brahmana does not face the death sentence if convicted of murder.

For rape of various castes..the fine for raping a woman of the last varna is very less but the rate goes higher and higher if the Varna is higher.
If I am not mistaken its a death sentence if a Sudra males rapes a Brahmin woman but not so if a Savarna rapes a avarna.

Well..what to say? Ancient laws can be partial and draconian. You are right about the public beheading...its still there in open unlike other countries that hang in private or electric chair.
BTW USA its also electric chair watched by a selected few and family of the victim.


My husband has been there for 6 years and he loves it there...he says law and order is tip top..if you leave your bag or wallet in a taxi..you will surely get it back cos no one dare steal.
 

Balacs

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If one behaves the above rule wont apply.
Blood money only works if the victim's family is willing to accept it.

Coming to the rates for each religion and gender...Manu smriti too has such rates depending on varna and the last varna is the cheapest of all to pay a fine and let's not forget that in Saudi a muslim himself would face the death sentence if convicted.
A prince himself faced a death sentence for killing a commoner a few years back.
But not so in Manu's smirti where are Brahmana does not face the death sentence if convicted of murder.

For rape of various castes..the fine for raping a woman of the last varna is very less but the rate goes higher and higher if the Varna is higher.
If I am not mistaken its a death sentence if a Sudra males rapes a Brahmin woman but not so if a Savarna rapes a avarna.

Well..what to say? Ancient laws can be partial and draconian. You are right about the public beheading...its still there in open unlike other countries that hang in private or electric chair.
BTW USA its also electric chair watched by a selected few and family of the victim.


My husband has been there for 6 years and he loves it there...he says law and order is tip top..if you leave your bag or wallet in a taxi..you will surely get it back cos no one dare steal.
I find it absurd and laughable that you should quote the Manusmriti when we are discussing the present day medieval and regressive culture prevalent in Saudi Arabia. The fact that a Prince was publicly beheaded does not justify public beheadings which is treated as a public sport. On top of it, you are drawing a parallel of public beheadings with death by electric chair in the US where, according to you, the victim's family gloats over the death of the accused. A public beheading is a sport for the public in Saudi where its citizens clap and cheer. This kills all sensitivity in an individual. Probably you would be at home with it. I wouldn't. While you are at it why not draw parallels with the French guillotining their criminals publicly or Nazi Germany having a fancy to hang its political opponents on meat hooks!

The Manusmriti does not apply in India. The Code of Criminal Procedure does. One cannot commit murder and go scot-free by paying money to the victim's family. The fact that the victim's family may not accept blood money does not make it less worse.

To each his own! My wife is a brilliant academician and progressive individual but would find it repulsive to wear an "Abaya" while you would probably revel at it. Good luck to your spouse in Saudi. It is heartening to note that he is unlikely to lose his personal effects in Saudi. Probably the perpetrator's right hand, if not both, would be chopped off at the elbows. If you are happy with the thought, who are on earth am I to complain!

One sparrow does not a summer make. I, for one, would not want to be found dead in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
 

prasad1

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Tamil Brahmins, in general, have very little to do with Pakistan, a Failed poor state.
There is no reason to hijack every thread to Pakistan. If someone has an obsession with Pakistan please go there and do what you want to do. We have no interest in improving some other enemy country. At the same time, we are not that desperate to learn from a failed state. So before bringing the practice of Pakistan to India check yourself with some professional.

Indians are dealing with Indian problems, So thank you.
 

renuka

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I find it absurd and laughable that you should quote the Manusmriti when we are discussing the present day medieval and regressive culture prevalent in Saudi Arabia. The fact that a Prince was publicly beheaded does not justify public beheadings which is treated as a public sport. On top of it, you are drawing a parallel of public beheadings with death by electric chair in the US where, according to you, the victim's family gloats over the death of the accused. A public beheading is a sport for the public in Saudi where its citizens clap and cheer. This kills all sensitivity in an individual. Probably you would be at home with it. I wouldn't. While you are at it why not draw parallels with the French guillotining their criminals publicly or Nazi Germany having a fancy to hang its political opponents on meat hooks!

The Manusmriti does not apply in India. The Code of Criminal Procedure does. One cannot commit murder and go scot-free by paying money to the victim's family. The fact that the victim's family may not accept blood money does not make it less worse.

To each his own! My wife is a brilliant academician and progressive individual but would find it repulsive to wear an "Abaya" while you would probably revel at it. Good luck to your spouse in Saudi. It is heartening to note that he is unlikely to lose his personal effects in Saudi. Probably the perpetrator's right hand, if not both, would be chopped off at the elbows. If you are happy with the thought, who are on earth am I to complain!

One sparrow does not a summer make. I, for one, would not want to be found dead in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

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Why get personal?
I was merely relating what I know and compared ancient laws.

Your wife has her personal preference of dressing.That's her personal right.
Choice of dressing differs for each person.
I wonder why you are comparing me with your wife in terms of dressing with an abhaya.
Personally I don't find any decent garment repulsive ,I am Medical Doc with a qualification in Sanskrit(teaching it too) and currently pursuing my diploma in the Arabic language...my academic qualifications didn't change me in anyway.

The human body itself is a garment that would be shed eventually..I guess thats why I dont really attach too much importance to any other type of garment.
Being progressive isn't defined by the clothes we wear. Shusma Swaraj used to be always dressed in a saree with a huge bindi and carried herself well and it didnt in anyway seem "less progressive"....many people expect a brilliant woman to be dressed in power suits westernized style.
If a woman in a saree could command respect from the whole world why cant a woman in a hijab and abhaya to be a brilliant professional and command respect from the whole world?
Being progressive is a state of mind...what garment does the mind wear?only thin veil from reality isnt it?
 
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Balacs

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Why get personal?
I was merely relating what I know and compared ancient laws.

Your wife has her personal preference of dressing.That's her personal right.
Choice of dressing differs for each person.
I wonder why you are comparing me with your wife in terms of dressing with an abhaya.
Personally I don't find any decent garment repulsive ,I am Medical Doc with a qualification in Sanskrit(teaching it too) and currently pursuing my diploma in the Arabic language...my academic qualifications didn't change me in anyway.

The human body itself is a garment that would be shed eventually..I guess thats why I dont really attach too much importance to any other type of garment.
Being progressive isn't defined by the clothes we wear. Shusma Swaraj used to be always dressed in a saree with a huge bindi and carried herself well and it didnt in anyway seem "less progressive"....many people expect a brilliant woman to be dressed in power suits westernized style.
If a woman in a saree could command respect from the whole world why cant a woman in a hijab and abhaya to be a brilliant professional and command respect from the whole world?
Being progressive is a state of mind...what garment does the mind wear?only thin veil from reality isnt it?
I am astounded that a medical professional can even comment that "if you behave the rules won't apply". So one should "behave" or expect to be stoned to death, body parts chopped off or be beheaded in a public square with people clapping and cheering! Excellent, absolutely capital! You glorify this country, its law and order and expect people to stomach it just because your spouse is working in this "glorious kingdom".

From quoting Manusmriti, we take a gigantic leap and land straight on a tome of "Bhagwad Gita" where Lord Krishna states that "changing the human body is like changing clothes" with a bit of help, of course, from the Saudi Jallad.

I just stated that my wife, despite being a progressive woman, would find the very thought of wearing a Hijab and an Abaya repulsive. In this she is not alone. I speak excellent Hindi and Bengali like a native. I have criss-crossed the country several times and I can authoritatively state Hindu women across the country would find wearing the Hijab and the Abaya repulsive. I never stated that a woman who is comfortable in a Hijab and an Abaya cannot be progressive. You appear to have twisted my comment to suit your own interpretation.

I wasn't comparing you with my wife. A comparison cannot be made, in the first place, without being equally well aware of persons, facts and/or situations. I was merely making a comment. A majority of Hindu women would hate to wear the Hijab and the Abaya. In the case of the physiotherapist's wife, their group comprising exclusively of Hindu women were discussing of how best to dispose of those "damned things" once they returned to India.

The comment that you would probably revel in wearing it was made merely in jest. I wasn't getting personal. You got my goat when you glorified this medieval country with its regressive culture. If I happen to work in Nigeria, I cannot glorify that country just because I am provided armed escorts which is the norm there. One cannot make a virtue of necessity.

Another fact you should be aware of is that a majority of rich Saudis are contained only in their own country fearing extreme punishment. Once they are outside the country, it would be difficult to find a more degraded, perverted and sadistic individual given to every wicked act or deed under the Sun. After the act is committed, the petro-dollars comes in useful to get out of sticky situations.

I take this opportunity to wish all members of your family a very happy and prosperous New Year. No hard feelings, please.
 

renuka

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I am astounded that a medical professional can even comment that "if you behave the rules won't apply". So one should "behave" or expect to be stoned to death, body parts chopped off or be beheaded in a public square with people clapping and cheering! Excellent, absolutely capital! You glorify this country, its law and order and expect people to stomach it just because your spouse is working in this "glorious kingdom".

From quoting Manusmriti, we take a gigantic leap and land straight on a tome of "Bhagwad Gita" where Lord Krishna states that "changing the human body is like changing clothes" with a bit of help, of course, from the Saudi Jallad.

I just stated that my wife, despite being a progressive woman, would find the very thought of wearing a Hijab and an Abaya repulsive. In this she is not alone. I speak excellent Hindi and Bengali like a native. I have criss-crossed the country several times and I can authoritatively state Hindu women across the country would find wearing the Hijab and the Abaya repulsive. I never stated that a woman who is comfortable in a Hijab and an Abaya cannot be progressive. You appear to have twisted my comment to suit your own interpretation.

I wasn't comparing you with my wife. A comparison cannot be made, in the first place, without being equally well aware of persons, facts and/or situations. I was merely making a comment. A majority of Hindu women would hate to wear the Hijab and the Abaya. In the case of the physiotherapist's wife, their group comprising exclusively of Hindu women were discussing of how best to dispose of those "damned things" once they returned to India.

The comment that you would probably revel in wearing it was made merely in jest. I wasn't getting personal. You got my goat when you glorified this medieval country with its regressive culture. If I happen to work in Nigeria, I cannot glorify that country just because I am provided armed escorts which is the norm there. One cannot make a virtue of necessity.

Another fact you should be aware of is that a majority of rich Saudis are contained only in their own country fearing extreme punishment. Once they are outside the country, it would be difficult to find a more degraded, perverted and sadistic individual given to every wicked act or deed under the Sun. After the act is committed, the petro-dollars comes in useful to get out of sticky situations.

I take this opportunity to wish all members of your family a very happy and prosperous New Year. No hard feelings, please.

Happy New Year to you and your family too.

We all have to behave no matter we are.
Like in India right now with all the protest..tell me..isnt the public behaving? Nope!
They actually dare fight and beat up police men too and not willing to listen to their PM.
So its very natural for humans to misbehave and some strict laws should be there for crime prevention.

The recent case of the rape of Dr Priyanka..and the 4 rapist cum murderers got shot dead...I was glad justice was served though I do not rejoice the death of anyone be it saint or sinner.
I am sure a lot of people were happy with that decision of the police.
Some would have cheered for all I know.


So you see we only want others to "behave" but expect ourselves not to abide.

In a hot dry weather..the hijab in the Middle east protect's one from the sun and the hijab is only to be worn outside and not indoors at home or even work place.

Some might call anything a "damn garment" if they do not identify with it.

Just like how some view the sacred thread as not in line with their thinking and harm people wearing it.
See what I mean? If we have hatred for something and attached the "damn" adjective to it, it can translate as violence if not checked.

A hijab/abhaya is just made of cloth.
If one doesnt like it just dont wear it..its that simple.

Manu smirti is man written.
Geeta is from Lord Krishna(word of God)....its a lot of difference.

I am not glorifying KSA....it isnt as bad as the media paints it...thats the picture I get from my very reliable source.
 

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