How Varna/Caste System Harmed Brahmins

[s007bala]

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S V

>>My my.....again and again....diplomatic provocation and outright retaliation.<<

Plz let it go and lets move on.

sb

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

This forum is for Tamil Brahmins. The question has been raised in many threads about who is a Tamil Brahmin? It has been made clear time and again that there are no prerequisites for that. Communist, Atheist or anyone is welcome as long as he/she consider themselves to be part of the Tamil Brahmin community.

There is a prerequisite - at least one must be a brahmin by birth and must have roots in the modern day tamilnadu to be called a tamil brahmin... aint that clear with the title of this website?

As regards forum participation - it is open to all.

This forum was formed to discuss the problems facing the Tamil Brahmin community. Not for propagating the views of any Guru or Acharya. There are many forums for that.

Agreed, but then, it should have sub-forum headings such as problems facing tamil brahmins in india, abroad... types of problems etc...the very fact that the forum groupings allow for religious and philosophical discussions imply that this is a sort of virtual community gathering spot whereby we discuss everything related to our community (and the society) while working towards our welfare.

 

[s007bala]

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There is a prerequisite - at least one must be a brahmin by birth and must have roots in the modern day tamilnadu to be called a tamil brahmin... aint that clear with the title of this website?

As regards forum participation - it is open to all.
Agreed, but then, it should have sub-forum headings such as problems facing tamil brahmins in india, abroad... types of problems etc...the very fact that the forum groupings allow for religious and philosophical discussions imply that this is a sort of virtual community gathering spot whereby we discuss everything related to our community (and the society) while working towards our welfare.

S S

You are another one of the 'navarathinams' of this forum.Enna brilliance you have,gosh!'Drishti' eddukkanum for you,as,en kannae pattudhum pola irukku...:thumb:

sb

P.S.Varnam has never harmed anyone from time immemorial,let alone brahmins.:ranger:

 

[Mohan Parasuram]

Varnashram/cast system

Every system has good and bad effects. But here one see only highlighting of the bad effedts.

It is said varashram is a fine division of labour principals. Learning from father to son becomes easier and make the children proficient in their trade. Varnashram also helps to insulate them thereby giving a identity. One may say atrocities, then take a global out look. One thing comes to the mind is South Africa and aparthied which is recent memory. May be one may go back little further, then it is slave labour in USA, may be one may go further down,
see the plight of founding father of USA who were compelled to
to leave to establish a new land of their own.

This atrocities or descriminations are prevalent throughout the world and may be it is lesser in this land. This is the human mind of the haves to the have nots.
Why blame only Indias varnashrama and in comparision globaly, ours pale into insiginificance.

Rgds,
Mohan Parasuram

 

[GopalaswamyShridharan]

ஸ்ரீ பரஷுராமன்,
நீங்க சொனது முற்றிலும் உண்மை சார் .நன்றி

Shree Parashuraman,

What you said is hundred percent correct.Todays intellectual people,world over are,Brahmanas.Todays Business people are Vaishiyas.Todays security protector people are Kshthriyas.Today social service people are Shuthrans.Thank you.

gopal.

 

[RVR]

Discrimination has prevailed throughout the globe in some form or other. Blacks got voting rights in USA only later. Initially only people with land holdings were allowed to vote in UK. However these countries now changed the laws to give equal rights to all the citizens.

In India, every body got voting rights from day one. However reverse discrimination has become an accepted practice here. Since our community is in a minority, it will be difficult to correct the reverse discrimination in the near future.

எண்ணாயிரம் ஆண்டு யோகம் இருப்பினும் கண்ணார் அமுதனை கண்டறிவாரில்லை உள் நாடி ஒளி பெற உள்ளே நோக்கினார் கண்ணாடி போல கலந்து நின்றானே

 

[happyhindu]

This atrocities or descriminations are prevalent throughout the world and may be it is lesser in this land. This is the human mind of the haves to the have nots.
Why blame only Indias varnashrama and in comparision globaly, ours pale into insiginificance.

Rgds,
Mohan Parasuram

Dear Sri Mohan Parasuram ji,

The indian varnashrama has been painted into monstrous proportions by various sections alright, but sir, surely it does not warrant as bad a comparison as the apartheid in south africa and slave labour in the usa.

In a talk, happened to come across varnashrama as supposedly defined by two main groups of yore, the daivas and the asuras. Dunno how far its true. But dug around a bit and managed to find a reference to it in the Excerpts from Sannyasa Initiation of Viraha Prakasa Swami -- Mayapur, February 5, 1976 (by Prabupada). Again, its tuf to say with surety how far its true.

It is supposed that the vaishavas advocated the daiva-varnashrama sampradaya mentioned in the bhagavad geeta. They apparently did not accept the proposition of asura-varnashrama system, which is the varna by birth theory. However, it came to be that the asura-varnashrama system (varna by birth theory) had prevailed for a long time.

Probably this is also one reason why the varna theory is not destained to have a clear cut definition. Till date, there are two sections of the hindu schools (the monastic and the priestly sections) that adhere to two different definitions of varna.