How to save brahmin community

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Dear Brothers and Sisters,

We need to undertake lot of strategic initiatives to save our Brahmin community and Brahmans. My idea for one such initiative is to setup an all round residential school in chennai exclusively for brahmin minority. Boys/Girls from all over the world will come and study here from schooling to postgraduation. We need to train our boys not only to excel in academics but also to raise voice for justice. They should also get trained in various extracurricular activities. They should specialise from sports to matial arts in this school. They should aim for international medals and awards. We should sponsor the school using our network of Brahmin NRIs and Brahmins in India. Every student should complete a professional masters degree (in medicine or Engineering or Management or Law). If tamilnadu or India is not giving them opportunity to learn then we will send them to Singapore, US, UK, Australia, Russia to learn. Dont worry that our strength is only 3% here in tamilnadu. I feel i am equivalent to 10 non-brahmins. If each one of you support me i can change this trend in 10 years. Give me 1000 brahmin boys and girls i will show to the world what we are. Please suggest your ideas if any.

 

[s007bala]

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Dear Brothers and Sisters,

We need to undertake lot of strategic initiatives to save our Brahmin community and Brahmans. My idea for one such initiative is to setup an all round residential school in chennai exclusively for brahmin minority. Boys/Girls from all over the world will come and study here from schooling to postgraduation. We need to train our boys not only to excel in academics but also to raise voice for justice. They should also get trained in various extracurricular activities. They should specialise from sports to matial arts in this school. They should aim for international medals and awards. We should sponsor the school using our network of Brahmin NRIs and Brahmins in India. Every student should complete a professional masters degree (in medicine or Engineering or Management or Law). If tamilnadu or India is not giving them opportunity to learn then we will send them to Singapore, US, UK, Australia, Russia to learn. Dont worry that our strength is only 3% here in tamilnadu. I feel i am equivalent to 10 non-brahmins. If each one of you support me i can change this trend in 10 years. Give me 1000 brahmin boys and girls i will show to the world what we are. Please suggest your ideas if any.

To startwith,please give real name,address,telephone numbers ,email id ,your poorvigam,who you are,a snapshot of your acheivements thus far in life,so that people can first trust you,assess your sincereity,and influence in getting things done in chennai or anywhere in TN=so that a background check is performed on you.

Then slowly gather strength,by means of recruiting people for your mission,either getting into partnership with like minded individuals in your country and abroad.Proceed like this step by step=brahmins from all over the world will join hands.

sb

 

[Balakrishna Iyer]

The idea is really very good. With the help of IT experts we could formulate a strategy soonest possible. Even a hundred enthusiastic students would be enough to start with; gradually increasing the strength to the level of 1000.We should enlist even economically backward students to be enrolled in this institution and to that end we should have adequate financial resources. Experts in teaching profession from the Brahmin community would not pose a problem and their services should be freely used, along with the latest IT technology. A nucleus committee for the purpose is the first step to find out the ways and means to give shape to the proposal. Whatever we do, should be done without much loss of time.

 

[suvarchas]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

We need to undertake lot of strategic initiatives to save our Brahmin community and Brahmans. My idea for one such initiative is to setup an all round residential school in chennai exclusively for brahmin minority. Boys/Girls from all over the world will come and study here from schooling to postgraduation. We need to train our boys not only to excel in academics but also to raise voice for justice. They should also get trained in various extracurricular activities. They should specialise from sports to matial arts in this school. They should aim for international medals and awards. We should sponsor the school using our network of Brahmin NRIs and Brahmins in India. Every student should complete a professional masters degree (in medicine or Engineering or Management or Law). If tamilnadu or India is not giving them opportunity to learn then we will send them to Singapore, US, UK, Australia, Russia to learn. Dont worry that our strength is only 3% here in tamilnadu. I feel i am equivalent to 10 non-brahmins. If each one of you support me i can change this trend in 10 years. Give me 1000 brahmin boys and girls i will show to the world what we are. Please suggest your ideas if any.

The idea is good.But we need to be self reliant as Government would place lot of spokes in the way by introducing reservations in that.When Sri Jayendra sarasvathi svamiji stared the Demmed university in Enathur near Kanchi,the idea was to help brahmin community largely as Deemed university had to be affiliated to UGC and reservation need not be as per T.N. G.O.However TN Govt is trying to scuttle it in so many ways.
Another immediate step what Brahmin NRIs and affluent local Brahmins can do is identify Brahmin institutions like Madura College in Madurai,E.R.Higher secondary school in Trichy and so on and try to help those institutions to be self reliant by coming out of Govt hold in the form of grants which would ensure that Reservation laws cannot be applicable as per T.N. laws
I was even toying with the idea about making Madura collge a deemed University by organising a meeting of the old students as the college is more than 120 years old.Iam also an old student of Madura college
Any way we need to first identify the tasks and resources and formulate a plan of action.I welcome and would support it whole heartedly

 

[s007bala]

re

The idea is good.But we need to be self reliant as Government would place lot of spokes in the way by introducing reservations in that.When Sri Jayendra sarasvathi svamiji stared the Demmed university in Enathur near Kanchi,the idea was to help brahmin community largely as Deemed university had to be affiliated to UGC and reservation need not be as per T.N. G.O.However TN Govt is trying to scuttle it in so many ways.
Another immediate step what Brahmin NRIs and affluent local Brahmins can do is identify Brahmin institutions like Madura College in Madurai,E.R.Higher secondary school in Trichy and so on and try to help those institutions to be self reliant by coming out of Govt hold in the form of grants which would ensure that Reservation laws cannot be applicable as per T.N. laws
I was even toying with the idea about making Madura collge a deemed University by organising a meeting of the old students as the college is more than 120 years old.Iam also an old student of Madura college
Any way we need to first identify the tasks and resources and formulate a plan of action.I welcome and would support it whole heartedly

suvarchas

what you have written if its true,no wonder hdg hh js and hdg hh vs have been targetted with a trumped up charge of murder in civil sessions court.this is huge movement that hh's have tried to do for brahmins in tn.vested interest no wonder,have under-taken a concerted mission to tarnish the revered image of kanchi mutt and its gurus.the non-brahmins and the moody jj have done this to kill brahmins aspirations at its bud.i must do something....

sb

 

[kunjuppu]

suv,

the idea of opening a tamil brahmin friendly educational institution in karnataka was thrown about here a while ago. or in kerala. the reason being, we would qualify as a linguistic minority institution, and hence enforce a policy tending to favour our own kith and kin.

but nothing came of it.

if you wish to propose enhancing institutions in tamil nadu, you yourself have expressed the caveats re governmental, mutt based or socio-religious based interventions.

i club them all together, because in my view they are all equally to be abhorred.

political wise, we are all aware of the challenges. the religious mutts, in my view, represent the most reactionary and retro view of hinduism, which has been the bane, particularly of this present generation brahmins' burden through inept social and political handling of the so called religious leaders.

the socio-political intervention is even more dangerous - for i believe, there is a section of tamil brahmins who have a romantic notion of adherence to the rss-vhs organizations. in my view nothing could be more harmful for the healthy mental physical and intellectual growth of our youths, than to be tainted by the influences of the above said sectarian views of india. i think i have explained enough.

it is bound to be a challenge for anyone to solicit funds and cooperations, considering the above limitations and challenges. in the face of all that has been said above, personally, i have found satisfaction in helping individual families through friends and similar minded folks.

i wish you well. i wish you the best of your hopes to endeavour.

 

[suvarchas]

suv,

the idea of opening a tamil brahmin friendly educational institution in karnataka was thrown about here a while ago. or in kerala. the reason being, we would qualify as a linguistic minority institution, and hence enforce a policy tending to favour our own kith and kin.

but nothing came of it.

if you wish to propose enhancing institutions in tamil nadu, you yourself have expressed the caveats re governmental, mutt based or socio-religious based interventions.

i club them all together, because in my view they are all equally to be abhorred.

political wise, we are all aware of the challenges. the religious mutts, in my view, represent the most reactionary and retro view of hinduism, which has been the bane, particularly of this present generation brahmins' burden through inept social and political handling of the so called religious leaders.

the socio-political intervention is even more dangerous - for i believe, there is a section of tamil brahmins who have a romantic notion of adherence to the rss-vhs organizations. in my view nothing could be more harmful for the healthy mental physical and intellectual growth of our youths, than to be tainted by the influences of the above said sectarian views of india. i think i have explained enough.

it is bound to be a challenge for anyone to solicit funds and cooperations, considering the above limitations and challenges. in the face of all that has been said above, personally, i have found satisfaction in helping individual families through friends and similar minded folks.

i wish you well. i wish you the best of your hopes to endeavour.

Kunjuppau sir, I understand your concerns and the reasons what prompts you to abhor.But tell me it is a lesser evil.To me we need to maintain balance and evaluate between the benefits and the pitfalls.True in any massive scale of operations there may be some undesirable effects which may not be envisaged or vested interests may crop in.By and large if even partially our objective is met,I would be happy as the need of the hour is to provide some means of education for our future generations.From my own experience let me share some personal info.
As I told Iam an alumni of Madura College which is run by Madura college board,a non profit company formed under Indian Companies Act,1913.This institution was earlier run as native college by English men who wanted to close down as they wanted to deny opportunities to Indians.By then famous Lawyers from Brahmin community poolerd their resources and bought the collge and ran from their funds against so much opposition.When Madras university was administered by the famous AL brothers with Justice party leanings,the college was downgraded into a second grade college for lack of infrastructure.This was again taken up as a challenge by a famous doctor,Dr.P.N.Ramasubramanian of Madurai who literally went from door to door and canvassed funds .He even organised a benefit performance by Smt.M.S.Subbulakshmi which raised Rs 81000 in the 1944 which again helped the college to be restored as first grade college.Such Missionary zeal would definitely be required for such social cause more so now in view of anti Brahmin moves by Govt.
Even recently when MGR raised reservation to 49% ,the Board protested and was about to file a suit then MGR sent an emissary that he would give management quota and requested not to file a case.The Management did not relent.They again started evening classes for popular courses like B.Com and since it was not covered under reservation,the seats were almost given 100% to Brahmins and forward communites.The Govt and university woke up and clamped reservation for that.These were the sort of struggles the college went through which Iam highlighting as we may again have to rededicate ourselves to help our community who have no one else to go.Is is only on such factors H.H.Jaendrasarasvathi embarked on helping Brahmins that he started Deemed Universities to help Brahmins in some way or the other.

 

[Brahmanyan]

How to save brahmin community.

The topic seems to be very interesting. But I do not understand the basic issues. Could some one elucidate from whom or from what the Brahmin community to be saved. Or what is that lurking danger which is threatening the Brahmin community? It is my view that if a small (but important) community could survive for generations inspite of Social and Governmental restrictions, it can survive for many more generations if it accepts the changes realistically.

I fully agree with the views expressed by Sri Kunjuppu and we have had some useful and detailed discussions in the past on the subject of opening Educational institutions for students from Brahmin community. But,We must understand exclusiveness from the main steam of the Society in which we live will harm us more. Here I wish to add that I am also an old student of Madura College (1948-50). At that time Dr.P.N.Ramasubramaniam was the secretary of the Board and Prof. P.Mahadevan was the Principal. During that period the College celebrated its Diamond Jubilee. In those days National College, Trichy, Madura College Madurai and Vivekananda College, Madras were started under Brahmin initiative. But not as exclusive Brahmin institutions. MVJ institutions at Bangalore were started by Dr. M.V.Jayaraman as Tamil minority institutions, not as Brahmin institutions.

Well. I belong to the generation which suffered most by the "Communal G.O." introduced by the newly formed Congress Government in 1947. ( based on an act of 1921) I know the pains of our community at that time when there were very few Educational Institutions for Professional studies in Madras State which denied access to bright brahmin and other forward community youngsters in the name of Reservations.. But Reservation has come to stay. We have to accept and face it as a fact. We have no other go. But that should not deter our bright students to come up in life. Thanks to opening up of distance education our youngsters have better chance than in the past.
I wish more learned members of the forum take part in this topic and give their opinions.

Regards,
Brahmanyan.
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[suvarchas]

The topic seems to be very interesting. But I do not understand the basic issues. Could some one elucidate from whom or from what the Brahmin community to be saved. Or what is that lurking danger which is threatening the Brahmin community? It is my view that if a small (but important) community could survive for generations inspite of Social and Governmental restrictions, it can survive for many more generations if it accepts the changes realistically.

I fully agree with the views expressed by Sri Kunjuppu and we have had some useful and detailed discussions in the past on the subject of opening Educational institutions for students from Brahmin community. But,We must understand exclusiveness from the main steam of the Society in which we live will harm us more. Here I wish to add that I am also an old student of Madura College (1948-50). At that time Dr.P.N.Ramasubramaniam was the secretary of the Board and Prof. P.Mahadevan was the Principal. During that period the College celebrated its Diamond Jubilee. In those days National College, Trichy, Madura College Madurai and Vivekananda College, Madras were started under Brahmin initiative. But not as exclusive Brahmin institutions. MVJ institutions at Bangalore were started by Dr. M.V.Jayaraman as Tamil minority institutions, not as Brahmin institutions.

Well. I belong to the generation which suffered most by the "Communal G.O." introduced by the newly formed Congress Government in 1947. ( based on an act of 1921) I know the pains of our community at that time when there were very few Educational Institutions for Professional studies in Madras State which denied access to bright brahmin and other forward community youngsters in the name of Reservations.. But Reservation has come to stay. We have to accept and face it as a fact. We have no other go. But that should not deter our bright students to come up in life. Thanks to opening up of distance education our youngsters have better chance than in the past.
I wish more learned members of the forum take part in this topic and give their opinions.

Regards,
Brahmanyan.
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Dear Brahmanyan,
Iam glad to have interacted with a senior.However when you say that you suffered most,do you not think the monstrous proportions of todays reservations have to be met legally and at the same time we need to make use of ingenious ways to overcome the same.No college can be exclusive Brahmin institution unless laws are changed.Madura college by and large tried to help forward communitites and particularly brahmins within the frame work of law.

 

[pbkhema]

It will be difficult in the present state of the Laws in the coutry and in particular our state(TN) to openan educational institution exclusively for the community.On the other hand it will be worthwhile to promote and campaign for the idea mooted by Sri SVee Sekhar for reservation for the community

 

[palindrome]

It will be difficult in the present state of the Laws in the coutry and in particular our state(TN) to openan educational institution exclusively for the community.On the other hand it will be worthwhile to promote and campaign for the idea mooted by Sri SVee Sekhar for reservation for the community

so all communities shd start asking for reservations based on caste??

shd we not feel ashamed to do that??

 

[s007bala]

re

so all communities shd start asking for reservations based on caste??

shd we not feel ashamed to do that??

palindrome,you still don't get it,do you?there is absolutely nothing wrong with the initiative of minority community ie tamil brahmins grouping to form educational instituitions.HDG HH JS has been targetted precisely for having an extremely high profile visibility,which made politicians jealous,thinking he is cornering glory,wealth and fame.Its our blessings that Kanchi Mutt gurus have actively participated to help tambrahms.

christian missionary educational inst,muslim educations inst,sikhs educational inst,........so many minority community are doing all this,and we have to curb our people,what sort of non-sense is this?

its the damn congress,with its warped secular peculiar outlook ruined our nation.only bjp will bring us out of morass and that too we have watch them closely,as they deprived hindus during their previous rule.its about time,young brahmins participate,in the future of the nation.

sb

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

so all communities shd start asking for reservations based on caste??

shd we not feel ashamed to do that??

eh???

 

[palindrome]

palindrome,you still don't get it,do you?there is absolutely nothing wrong with the initiative of minority community ie tamil brahmins grouping to form educational instituitions.HDG HH JS has been targetted precisely for having an extremely high profile visibility,which made politicians jealous,thinking he is cornering glory,wealth and fame.Its our blessings that Kanchi Mutt gurus have actively participated to help tambrahms.

christian missionary educational inst,muslim educations inst,sikhs educational inst,........so many minority community are doing all this,and we have to curb our people,what sort of non-sense is this?

its the damn congress,with its warped secular peculiar outlook ruined our nation.only bjp will bring us out of morass and that too we have watch them closely,as they deprived hindus during their previous rule.its about time,young brahmins participate,in the future of the nation.

sb

sorry sb, have always believed in a free and fair world with equal opportunities for all..

to me, reservations are the opposite of meritocracy...it murders merit and give preference to intellectual inability..

have realized reservations are too enmeshed with the caste system so i prefer both (reservations and caste system) to go...

i wonder what does any community have to loose by merely allowing themselves to loosen up to a bright fair world where any child is free to pursue his own desired goals...

and again, to me donations are equivalent to bribery..

i do not believe in either reservations or donations...let merit alone decide anyone's life and future..

 

[Seshadri Subramaniam]

palindrome,you still don't get it,do you?there is absolutely nothing wrong with the initiative of minority community ie tamil brahmins grouping to form educational instituitions.HDG HH JS has been targetted precisely for having an extremely high profile visibility,which made politicians jealous,thinking he is cornering glory,wealth and fame.Its our blessings that Kanchi Mutt gurus have actively participated to help tambrahms.

christian missionary educational inst,muslim educations inst,sikhs educational inst,........so many minority community are doing all this,and we have to curb our people,what sort of non-sense is this?

its the damn congress,with its warped secular peculiar outlook ruined our nation.only bjp will bring us out of morass and that too we have watch them closely,as they deprived hindus during their previous rule.its about time,young brahmins participate,in the future of the nation.

sb

man, all others apart from brahmins can vie for reservations... and it can also be granted... and we can all harp about it continuously, but the minute somebody talks about reservation for brahmins, hell breaks loose... there is talk of ethics, merit, fair competition and what not... which we would not have even bothered to think about previously...

what we want is a different thing... and reality is a different thing... survival depends on adopting realistic measures...

some comments really rub the wrong side... as if the world is all fair play now... i dont know why such ideas germinate... inexperience perhaps?

 

[s007bala]

re

sorry sb, have always believed in a free and fair world with equal opportunities for all..

to me, reservations are the opposite of meritocracy...it murders merit and give preference to intellectual inability..

have realized reservations are too enmeshed with the caste system so i prefer both (reservations and caste system) to go...

i wonder what does any community have to loose by merely allowing themselves to loosen up to a bright fair world where any child is free to pursue his own desired goals...

and again, to me donations are equivalent to bribery..

i do not believe in either reservations or donations...let merit alone decide anyone's life and future..

palindrome

now you are in utopian world.those kind of things are impractical.lets face it,majority of us love comfort thru materialism.only a select few become sanyasis and lecture us thru religion.govt has to have welfare schemes and they do,but,unfortunately middle-people corner the money and do svaha,leaving the poor poorer.we have terrible leadership which exploits,and from all communities,including brahmins.

sb

 

[s007bala]

re

man, all others apart from brahmins can vie for reservations... and it can also be granted... and we can all harp about it continuously, but the minute somebody talks about reservation for brahmins, hell breaks loose... there is talk of ethics, merit, fair competition and what not... which we would not have even bothered to think about previously...

what we want is a different thing... and reality is a different thing... survival depends on adapting realistic measures...

some comments really rub the wrong side... as if the world is all fair play now... i dont know why such ideas germinate... inexperience perhaps?

i agree ss.brahmins have become the targets for every mayawathi,kancha,muka,puka,jj......rascals....wara aathrathhukku nanay oru revolutionary party start panni ellathayum shoot pannanum polo irrukku!!sigh!aana brahmanana porundutaney!!

sb

 

[palindrome]

palindrome

now you are in utopian world.those kind of things are impractical.lets face it,majority of us love comfort thru materialism.only a select few become sanyasis and lecture us thru religion.govt has to have welfare schemes and they do,but,unfortunately middle-people corner the money and do svaha,leaving the poor poorer.we have terrible leadership which exploits,and from all communities,including brahmins.

sb

yes am utopian perhaps...

why bring the scenario of sanyasis into the pic here..

why does corruption and bureucracy have to decide anyone's life..

i hope you know the basis on which the govt decides who is economically and socially backward...

ppl like thurston decided things apparently based on who was following rituals and accepting food from others...

there have been non-brahmin forward communities that took the initiative to start educational insitutions in the past. have a look at the trustee's list of one old institution: http://www.pachaiyappas.com/trustees_list.asp

unfortunately in the present such initiatives are rarely known. academic institutions run in coimbatore by NBs get filled up with NBs very fast..apart from those, quite a few others are of the sub-standard kind...

so not only brahmins, all the so-called government designated forward communities have taken a big beating due to the reservations policy..

its not abt merit for the brahmin community alone, why cannot there be merit for everyone irrespective of caste, creed, connections, financial background, etc..

btw, am not against any initiative by anyone for anything...am just expressing my desire for a free non-sectarian india based on meritocracy...if it is utopian, so be it..

 

[suvarchas]

yes am utopian perhaps...

why bring the scenario of sanyasis into the pic here..

why does corruption and bureucracy have to decide anyone's life..

i hope you know the basis on which the govt decides who is economically and socially backward...

ppl like thurston decided things apparently based on who was following rituals and accepting food from others...

there have been non-brahmin forward communities that took the initiative to start educational insitutions in the past. have a look at the trustee's list of one old institution: http://www.pachaiyappas.com/trustees_list.asp

unfortunately in the present such initiatives are rarely known. academic institutions run in coimbatore by NBs get filled up with NBs very fast..apart from those, quite a few others are of the sub-standard kind...

so not only brahmins, all the so-called government designated forward communities have taken a big beating due to the reservations policy..

its not abt merit for the brahmin community alone, why cannot there be merit for everyone irrespective of caste, creed, connections, financial background, etc..

btw, am not against any initiative by anyone for anything...am just expressing my desire for a free non-sectarian india based on meritocracy...if it is utopian, so be it..

Meritocracy and level playing field are all okay if everybody is following the rule.When the Govt is going out of the way to suppress our community we need also to meet the challenge the same way.S.Ve shekar's idea would never be granted unless the Brahmins act in a concerted way.
We have to tackle this within the framework of existing laws

 

[kunjuppu]

thank you brahmanyan, suvarcha for your feedback.

personally i feel that a young mind is a terrible thing to waste. any youngster, willing and able, must have the opportunity to college study, without having to think about the funding.

having lived abroad for over 35 years, i may be offbase re judging the magnitude of this issue. pray, permit me to state my assumptions below, and i look forward to modifications, based on your knowledge. thank you.

to those who live abroad, permanent or nri, the college admission is not an issue, as their place of domicile is fairly wide open or they have the money to fund education in india or anywhere else.

for the wealthy and upper middle class in india, the solution mentioned above probably applies to them too.

the middle to lower middle class, nowadays have the benefit of bank loans, which i understand are freely available. i also understand, that with the plethora of private colleges, not only in tamil nadu, but in other parts of india, an admission to a medical or engineering course is possible, provided one has decent marks.

so, i figure, it is our poor who are affected. by poor, i mean those who are in our traditional services - household cooks, impovershed vathiars, particularly the chavundis and some residuals left in villages, without an insight to the possibilities of the current generation. are these in such large numbers, that we can fill up one whole institutions year after year? or could these could taken on a case by case basis, and funded within the existing framework?

one thing, that i am hesitant, is not to end up like vivekananda college. this was founded by ramakrishna mission, with the intention of propagating vivekananda's principles of enlightened hinduism and abolishing castes and casteism. it ended up as a brahminic stronghold, with a strong reactionary element to uphold the status quo - something that was farthest from vivekananda's teachings.

are we talking of cloning such type of institutions here, when we mean that we need to open exclusive brahmin oriented institutions?

thank you.

 

[s007bala]

re

Meritocracy and level playing field are all okay if everybody is following the rule.When the Govt is going out of the way to suppress our community we need also to meet the challenge the same way.S.Ve shekar's idea would never be granted unless the Brahmins act in a concerted way.
We have to tackle this within the framework of existing laws

palindrome,suvarchas

its not abt merit for the brahmin community alone, why cannot there be merit for everyone irrespective of caste, creed, connections, financial background, etc..

that is what govt worldover is trying to do.unfortunately our population is so huge,so many bellies,so many minds=the leadership is rudderless and listening to foreign leaders of the world.after 62 years of independance,we are still tooling around pakistani muslims,who are brainless twits to have partition in the first place.

merit has its place in society,it all depends upon,how one wants to view and adapt it.

sb

 

[palindrome]

Kunjuppu-ji,

There is this plethora of new colleges now...they have mushroomed at a rather rapid pace in the last 10 years (education is good business)...anyone with even 45% overall is able to get into engineering these days..Abt 15 years back, even if a dad was willing to pay 60lakhs as donation, a guy with 45% wud never be able to get admission...ppl say these new colleges are sub-standard..but anyways, as long as a child gets to pursue what he wishes, anything is fine...

Its true the ones affected most are the poor ones...the ones that have no collateral to get bank loans on..the ones that are silly enuf to be touchy abt not accepting money or obligations from others...

When it comes to caste-based reservations, am thinking if SV Shekhar can ask for 7% reservations for a small community, then surely those who number more, can ask for a bigger share, like say 15% and enforce it on old instiutions..And to improve their standards, instead of starting new sub-standard colleges and scattering resources, better to spend it on old institutions. If that's what is going to be the future to help the poor ones, so be it...instead of wasting time on meritocracy, i suppose ppl shd be concentrating on strengthning their caste identity (like vt rajshekhar says) to be able to seek that 15% reservations....hmmm...will think abt it :decision: i suppose some ppl might laugh at this...but they say, if you cannot beat them, then join them..:loco: :juggle:

 

[Brahmanyan]

How to save Brahmin community?

Dear Brahmanyan,
Iam glad to have interacted with a senior.However when you say that you suffered most,do you not think the monstrous proportions of todays reservations have to be met legally and at the same time we need to make use of ingenious ways to overcome the same.No college can be exclusive Brahmin institution unless laws are changed.Madura college by and large tried to help forward communities and particularly brahmins within the frame work of law.

Dear Sri "Suvarchas",

This subject has been discussed in detail in a previous Thread under the caption "Brahmins and Tamil Society - Communal Reservation". I have also given my opinion (message #78 /04.07.2008) I feel browsing this Thread will be of use for posting further messages on this subject
.
Let us not under estimate the resilience of Brahmin community which has faced much worse situations in its long history. Our standards have changed, I don't think we are that bad economically when we compare our standard of life to pre independence days in spite of all Communal and Caste reservations. Is it not a fact that,youngsters from almost every tamil brahmin family have migrated to US and other western Countries and faring very well in a competitive world. The strength of our Community is its openness in accepting the social changes, with out affecting our core beliefs. I am against exclusiveness. Exclusiveness has destroyed many old religious communities like Parsees. We should never forget that we are a part of the society. Yes, I do agree we have lost our position in Political power, but that is the price many other forward communities have to pay in the form of democracy that we have accepted.

Regards,
Brahmanyan.

 

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To All: The thread and the discussions goes on well. I wish TB's should unite and work togrther for achive the gool. Wish You Sucess. S.R.K.

 

[sridharvasudevan]

For any development to happen there needs to be a necessity drive. Listing out the necessities would help in arriving at some common objectives.

Then comes the question of what kind of resources we need and how to address the common objectives.

We currently have not discussed any of the necessities - that is the real places where each one feels the Brahmin community needs help.

Is it education - if yes - what kind of education?

Is it financial growth - if yes - who are the people being addressed, where are they located?

Is it values, traditions - if yes - who is even willing to be part of it and how are our members going to help here?

Is it about spiritual progress - if yes - then there is a lot of scope for doing so right at home than in a public way...

And so on....