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Save Our Culture

prasad1

Gold Member
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I am yet to come across many people who are well versed about Tb culture and the insights behind the practice. Everyone is just immersed in superstitions. Your own comments about women underscores this point.

The above are all mega trends and unstoppable. So the idea of saving the TB culture is a myth in the backdrop of the above reasons. It is going extinct.


We all better be identified as just a human being. Then our focus will be only to fight hatred and hypocrisy.
I like that.
 

renuka

Gold Member
Gold Member
Are you suggesting that the ugliness of another culture somehow justifies our own? I never understood this line of thought, but it's a common defense mechanism Indian people seem to have in responding to criticisms of India. If I say India has a rape problem, the India apologist will typically respond that some part of the USA has an even worse rape problem, or that gun violence is out of control. If you say that the Indian ambassador underpaid her "servant" then the India apologist will say oh but the whites had them work on plantations for years and income inequality is a thing in the West too blah blah. It's a logical fallacy and should be stopped!
I am not an Indian citizen nor am I am Indian born.
I am Malaysian Indian.
So I am not playing any defense mechanism here to defend India.

But the fact is if you feel a lady in a saree who is fat is grotesque..so is an over weight Australian in a bikini or an over weight Malaysian citizen in shorts or an overweight Eskimo on Ice.

I hope you get the point here.
If one wants to be judgmental we have to be fair and square..otherwise one should learn to just try to understand body types and dietary habits that cause obesity.

That way one can also ask a person who feels others are hirsuit and grotesque ..." Are you a Greek God with 6 packs?"

If yes..well and good.
If No? What next?
Migrate to another planet to spare others from looking at a less attractive face and body?
 

a-TB

Well-known member
It's like this madam, how I choose to live my life is my prerogative and this space and individual liberty should be extended to everyone in any advanced nation beyond matters of civic duties and standards. I don't think that I am being disingenuous, however.

My lack of religious fervor or preference to use a knife & fork over my fingers when eating in no way invalidates Tamil culture or the viability of a Tamil Brahmin nation. These things are not mutually exclusive. Besides, I have had to live the way that I have because no sufficiently advanced nor autonomous Tamil Brahmin nation exists yet. It is not inconceivable that were such a nation to manifest, I would make a genuine attempt at harmonious assimilation into it.

The most important thing is genetics. I said right in my first post that the fruit does not fall far from the tree. That's why I even take the time to post on this website. To my mind it is abundantly clear, and so should it be to anyone who has interacted with people of other cultures and races. Some are just better.

There are many fine and sophisticated things in [y]our culture. Take Bharatnatyam for instance, or the playing of the Tabla or what have you. What I object to is the lack of aesthetics in the general population. Grotesque Maamis with belly flab being visible, men with hairy legs and torsos in their veshtis- we need to have some standards and make ourselves look more presentable and attractive. Even the Japanese went thru the Meiji Restoration and here in Thailand in the 40s they banned the masses from wearing traditional dress for daily use. Cultural pride is well and good, but there is a reason you don't see Japanese (or Chinese, Koreans) walking around in a Kimono in public, or a Vietnamese in Ao Dai.
Dear exe,

Imagining there is a universal sense of aesthetics is not logical. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

In the west people try to hide blemishes and looks but cannot care to dress up inner character. In India they do not hide anything resulting in less insecurity.

Movie stars and models that are artificially slim are appreciated in the west. In India the movie stars can have a temple built for them by fans if they have a fat ass and swing it around. LOL

Best is to not compare cultural norms but just look if any harm comes about to a society by any practice.

Singling out women for ills of a society or generalizing behaviour of one to many tend to be immature and harmful
 

eXe

Member
" Are you a Greek God with 6 packs?"
I am a Powerlifter and have not yet focused on developing washboard abs. Strength comes from mass and yes that implies a belly. I undergo the pain needed to frequently wax most of my body hair though, which I am cursed with due to my genetics.
 

renuka

Gold Member
Gold Member
I am a Powerlifter and have not yet focused on developing washboard abs. Strength comes from mass and yes that implies a belly. I undergo the pain needed to frequently wax most of my body hair though, which I am cursed with due to my genetics.
Great! Keep it up!
May the Force be with you and you get a washboard soon.
Do Yoga too..its good for flexibility.
Powerlifting can stiffen the ligaments over time.
Yoga will keep it supple.

You should check out Nyle DiMarco ,he is hearing impaired and also speech impaired.
He became American next supermodel and he is very hirsuit.
 

ekaputra

Active member
In my own case, my mother is a doctor and from the beginning she mocked and had mostly contempt for Tamil Brahmin society and culture. Not without good reasons, because her mother (my grandmother) was a widow and in the 50s and 60s in India tamil brahmin widows were treated very poorly. So it is no wonder that my mother grew to have an inherent dislike of our culture.
My mother was also widowed (in the 70s) before she completed 50 and some of the people in our community including close relatives asked her to visit their house within the 10(?) day period (I don't remember the exact number) as she would otherwise have to avoid their houses for a whole year. There were many others (also from our community including close relatives) who said that they were not asking her to visit their house within the statutory period as she was free to visit them any time she wanted and that she was always welcome in their homes. My mother did not visit any of the houses of the people who spoke about visiting them during this statutory period and in fact we (father's immediate family) hardly ever called on them after that and our relations with them were extremely formal but polite.

My mother's experience was first hand but did she have to hate our (Iyer) community for the people who felt that as a widow she had lost her social status OR think of many others (also belonging to our community) who invited her to social functions including weddings (during this period) and asked the couple to do namaskaram and take her blessings. My mother is no more but she did not hate the community or the culture because culture is what the people practise.

And also, while the parents (mother in particular) are a very great influence on a growing child, it is important later when they grow up, for every mature person to ask himself/ herself whether everything imbibed from the parents is desirable.
 

prasad1

Gold Member
Gold Member
You can ridicule and hate a practice. You can hate a community, society, and culture for the wrongs it does or did.
The treatment of women particularly widows in the majority of Indian culture is abhorrent. We all should hate it and fight to change it.

It is mostly due to ignorance, superstitions, and greed.

Widows are exploited because ancestral property can not be willed. and writing a will to protect wife is not common among Indians. So widows were at the mercy of the husband's family.

Tb community too followed some of these abhorrent practices. I am with eXe on that.

There are some cultural practices that we must change. They are not unique to TB practice, but all the same, they are still practiced. It is superstition and ignorance.
 

eXe

Member
Culture this and culture that, what a vague and opaque term. Are parts of our culture codified? If yes, in what and where? Who is the custodian of this culture?

Someone should audit hard facts and points that are worth preserving. Categorize it into reasonable, traditional, backwards, ugly etc. and ruthlessly eliminate those parts of the culture that no longer serve us. Terrence McKenna said it best; "Culture is not your friend."
 

prasad1

Gold Member
Gold Member
Culture this and culture that, what a vague and opaque term. Are parts of our culture codified? If yes, in what and where? Who is the custodian of this culture?

Someone should audit hard facts and points that are worth preserving. Categorize it into reasonable, traditional, backwards, ugly etc. and ruthlessly eliminate those parts of the culture that no longer serve us. Terrence McKenna said it best; "Culture is not your friend."
Who can you trust and entrust such a task? Then again it is a moving target.

There is a famous saying "Jiski Lathi uski Bhise" or he rule4s sho has the biggest stick.

Kanchi Sankaracharya (about 50 years ago) refused to give water to a widow in his congregation but was more than willing to serve Indira Gandhi ( A widow too).
 
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eXe

Member
Who can you trust and entrust such a task? Then again it is a moving target.

There is a famous saying "Jiski Lathi uski Bhise" or he rule4s sho has the biggest stick.

Kanchi Sankaracharya (about 50 years ago) refused to give water to a widow in his congregation but was more than willing to serve Indira Gandhi ( A widow too).
It's hopeless without the establishment of a new progressive community (nation?) who all subscribe to a set of core values including reason and aesthetics. You will not change the minds of the old guard in the various mathas and kovils. They are set in their ways, have no incentive to listen or change and will remain set in their ideas to the very end- when their corpses with rigor mortis are finally cremated on crackling sandalwood pyres greased with the purest vanaspati (or desi?) ghee- in the open air of course so that the rest of the population may inhale the fumes from their holy shit.
 

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