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How can India be a Superpower by 2025
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I think the West and USA are all superpowers because they have 1/3rd of the population of India with 3x the resources of India! (both natural as well as manmade resources). With lot less population, there is less competition for quality education, better responsiveness for healthcare crisis, better employment, ability for a country to invest in furthering its research facilities and arrive at breakthroughs, urbanization/industrialization and increased per-capita income, all characteristic of a developed nation. There will be much more benefits along this line. Just able to think of a quick few.
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Plus, our highly spiritual brahmins had defined Sudra as one who is condemned to cry out throughout life because of his/her past karmas for which he/she was born in that low caste.
-- This might have happened only in the mediaeval periods when India was under Muslim and christian rule or some foreign rule and not during vedic times (may be you can ask me how will you know? ...Mostly India was prosperous before invasions...No one was living in dire poverty like this - May be this is my personal view also)
-- This might have happened only in the mediaeval periods when India was under Muslim and christian rule or some foreign rule and not during vedic times (may be you can ask me how will you know? ...Mostly India was prosperous before invasions...No one was living in dire poverty like this - May be this is my personal view also)
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Shri Vighnesh,
You may kindly remember that even in Valmiki Ramayana, there is a story about a rishi (brahmin) so poor that he and his wife had no clothes to wear; the wife asks him to go to Ramapattabhisheka (originally planned by Dasaratha) and beg for some food and clothes on that occasion. So, Valmiki himself tries to tell us that not everything was so hunky dory as you imagine. The interpretation of sudra being "condemned to cry out throughout life because of his/her past karmas for which he/she was born in that low caste.", is also from the Braahmana texts which are coeval with the Upanishads. Kindly try to read more and more of our own scriptural books and their Tamil/Indian language meanings given by real Indian scholars themselves and satisfy yourself.
In 1901, Madras had a male literacy rate of 11.9 percent and a female literacy rate of 0.9 percent.[SUP][201][/SUP] In 1950, when the Madras Presidency became Madras State, the literacy rate was slightly higher than the national average of 18 percent. (Madras Presidency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) What does this reveal?
prasad1
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Where was India before the British? There were princely states fighting among themselves, the common people were still pawns without any rights (As we know under Indian constitution). Just beating your chest and crowing does not make it great. It might scare some opponent in a gorilla clan.
Majority of assets were owned by the ruling class, the common folks were poor, illiterate, servants.
I suppose it bothers us the brahmins that we are one of the common folks, and we have others namely sudras dictating terms to us. That is the reality.
1.Bharat had a bigger share of world trade before the british came. Decline in Indian economy and growth in English economy happened together.
2.Bharat had more schools and students than Britain when the british descended. Every village had a school, and brahmins constituted less than a third of students.
3. Famines, food shortage and inequality in standard of living happened after the british changed land holding and taxation laws.
2.Bharat had more schools and students than Britain when the british descended. Every village had a school, and brahmins constituted less than a third of students.
3. Famines, food shortage and inequality in standard of living happened after the british changed land holding and taxation laws.
prasad1
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The mouthpiece of RSS has spoken, it must be a direct revelation from God. We do not need any proof.
The false declaration that in ancient times, before History was written all on "this mythical world called Bharat" were millionaires.
Yes the dinosaurs may have had a field day in the ancient days, not human beings. Just because you keep screaming a lie does not become the truth. Unfortunately the truth is a minor inconvenience that can be swept under the rug.
India and Indian History did not exist before the British came to India. The Indian princely states were poorly managed, poorly defended. The foreign forces could plunder and loot these princely states.
Even today after 66 years of independence we do not have schools in every village. For the ignorant our family runs a school in Tanjore districts. There are no other school in 20 mile radius of this school. The principle who was being paid by government falsified all record to show that there was a school.
So please tell no more lies.
The world trade was minuscule in 1st century. 100% of zero is still zero.
The false declaration that in ancient times, before History was written all on "this mythical world called Bharat" were millionaires.
Yes the dinosaurs may have had a field day in the ancient days, not human beings. Just because you keep screaming a lie does not become the truth. Unfortunately the truth is a minor inconvenience that can be swept under the rug.
India and Indian History did not exist before the British came to India. The Indian princely states were poorly managed, poorly defended. The foreign forces could plunder and loot these princely states.
Even today after 66 years of independence we do not have schools in every village. For the ignorant our family runs a school in Tanjore districts. There are no other school in 20 mile radius of this school. The principle who was being paid by government falsified all record to show that there was a school.
So please tell no more lies.
The world trade was minuscule in 1st century. 100% of zero is still zero.
sangom
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Shri Prasad,
You know that some members here hold on to the view that India was the pinnacle of everything best in this world before the invaders came, looted and made us backward for ever afterwards. Only psychologists or regression techniques may be able to alter their fondly cherished views and make them see objectively. I don't know whether you had been a member when there was a heated 'fight' between Nara and another person who came from outside, on the very same topic; that guest also held very similar, grandiose views about ancient India.
prasad1
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Yes sir,
The ignorance can be removed by shining evidence. The ignorant can not be banished. The crook who would not like truth is even more dangerous.
Unfortunately we have tailpieces (that too behind tails), which are smelly and obnoxious. It is healthy to be self praising than self loathing. Slow learners are to be given plenty of time to use the god given senses. Since one by one what the west asserted till now - aryan migration, myth of saraswati, and many more are getting busted, it will not be long before the misguided and mislearnt souls who despise hindu way of life have to swallow their bad and abusive words. Anyway loss is theirs.
prasad1
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It is better to be factual than being caught with your lies.
Realizing your strengths and your weaknesses makes one better prepared for life.
It is common trick of trade for con artists (CROOKS) to throw some facts in their grand scheme of lies, to confuse the gullible. The smart people see through this shroud of lies.
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Prasadji said:
And Sri sangom said:
1. The sea route to India was found with great difficulty sailing for days and months together(after several earliers attempts failed) just because the Europeans wanted to come for sightseeing in a country wallowing in abject poverty.
2. They never heard anything great or they never heard any true stories of the prosperity of the Bharathvarsh. They knew that Bharathvarsh was another dark continent with aborigines populating it without any scope for any business there. This is the reason why they sent their merchants to India on that long voyage and not soldiers.
3. I was born in the later half of the 20th century in a small village in the Bharathvarsh which has become India by then. In my village there were people belonging to various communities like brahmins, pillais, yadavs, thevars and dalits. all of them owned lands of various extent. very few dalits owned lands of their own. They were largely agricultural labourers who depended on the landlords for their income and livelyhood. The barbers, the dhobies and the shoemakers were all given a certain share of the produce from the harvested grain which was determined on the basis of the extent of land owned by the landlord. This was in addition to the charges paid to them for the services they rendered regularly to the people of the village.
I would be happy to know from our learned two members which other civilization in the world had such a welfare measure written into the village community management as an unwritten law. If they could point out a single instance of a superior system of social welfare measure as a part of culture of the people, it will help the RSS mouth pieces shut their mouth and also help the opposite tail pieces open up royally. LOL.
And Sri sangom said:
1. The sea route to India was found with great difficulty sailing for days and months together(after several earliers attempts failed) just because the Europeans wanted to come for sightseeing in a country wallowing in abject poverty.
2. They never heard anything great or they never heard any true stories of the prosperity of the Bharathvarsh. They knew that Bharathvarsh was another dark continent with aborigines populating it without any scope for any business there. This is the reason why they sent their merchants to India on that long voyage and not soldiers.
3. I was born in the later half of the 20th century in a small village in the Bharathvarsh which has become India by then. In my village there were people belonging to various communities like brahmins, pillais, yadavs, thevars and dalits. all of them owned lands of various extent. very few dalits owned lands of their own. They were largely agricultural labourers who depended on the landlords for their income and livelyhood. The barbers, the dhobies and the shoemakers were all given a certain share of the produce from the harvested grain which was determined on the basis of the extent of land owned by the landlord. This was in addition to the charges paid to them for the services they rendered regularly to the people of the village.
I would be happy to know from our learned two members which other civilization in the world had such a welfare measure written into the village community management as an unwritten law. If they could point out a single instance of a superior system of social welfare measure as a part of culture of the people, it will help the RSS mouth pieces shut their mouth and also help the opposite tail pieces open up royally. LOL.
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Rajaji: Beyond Market and State: Keerthik Sasidharan
"In all of this, Rajaji comes our aid. A closer reading of Rajaji’s writings reveals that, to him, the source of his conservatism was not market economics, but a deeper and more nuanced reading of human beings themselves. He was guided by a deep faith in the power of “culture” as “joyous self-restraint”. A Rajaji-style conservative seeks to conserve India’s “culture” not merely for sake of the past, but because of its very necessary roles in the here and now.
His emphasis on culture, family and certain aspects of caste transcends economic systems at work. It may come as a surprise to some that, to him, a planned economy, in of itself, wasn’t a terrible idea; but that a planned economy without a psychological prod within the individual to do the righteous thing only “culminate(s) in fraud and corruption”. Rajaji makes his point here:
“Properly designed and placed on a spiritual basis, a regulated economy need not be inconsistent with individual satisfaction and individual zeal. The restraints and habits of mind that are required to be developed for altruistic action must flow from faith and inner conviction.”
This idea of restraint, of calibrating one’s actions to the need of the hour, within a contextual frame, contingent on one’s role in life, which maximizes public welfare is what has historically been called dharma. In a way, his idea of conservatism emerges from asking an individual to be both: responsible to himself and to the society she finds herself in.
Rajaji: Beyond Market and State: Keerthik Sasidharan
"In all of this, Rajaji comes our aid. A closer reading of Rajaji’s writings reveals that, to him, the source of his conservatism was not market economics, but a deeper and more nuanced reading of human beings themselves. He was guided by a deep faith in the power of “culture” as “joyous self-restraint”. A Rajaji-style conservative seeks to conserve India’s “culture” not merely for sake of the past, but because of its very necessary roles in the here and now.
His emphasis on culture, family and certain aspects of caste transcends economic systems at work. It may come as a surprise to some that, to him, a planned economy, in of itself, wasn’t a terrible idea; but that a planned economy without a psychological prod within the individual to do the righteous thing only “culminate(s) in fraud and corruption”. Rajaji makes his point here:
“Properly designed and placed on a spiritual basis, a regulated economy need not be inconsistent with individual satisfaction and individual zeal. The restraints and habits of mind that are required to be developed for altruistic action must flow from faith and inner conviction.”
This idea of restraint, of calibrating one’s actions to the need of the hour, within a contextual frame, contingent on one’s role in life, which maximizes public welfare is what has historically been called dharma. In a way, his idea of conservatism emerges from asking an individual to be both: responsible to himself and to the society she finds herself in.
Rajaji: Beyond Market and State: Keerthik Sasidharan
sangom
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1. The sea route to Malabar and also to the east coast (east coast and ports like poompuhar were also used when the climate (and therefore, the sea) was unfavourable for the ships to get loaded with te aid of small boats, catamarans, etc., right from the Roman times.
"A 3rd-century-BC rock inscription by emperor Ashoka the Great references Kerala as Keralaputra.[SUP][29][/SUP] Sanskrit scholars of ancient India, Katyayana (circa 4th century BC) and Patanjali (circa 2nd century BC), exhibited in their writings a casual familiarity with Kerala's geography. The Sangam works Puṟanāṉūṟu and Akanaṉūṟu have many lines which speak of the Roman vessels and the Roman gold that used to come to the Kerala ports of the great Dravidian kings in search of pepper and other spices, which had enormous demand in the West. Especially, one of the earliest surviving pieces of literature to have been composed in ancient Kerala, the pathiRRuppathu is an important source that describes the dynasties of Kerala kings (cheral kings) from the early centuries AD.[SUP][30][/SUP]
Megasthanes, the Greek Ambassador to the court of Emperor Chandragupta Maurya (4th Century BC) mentions in his work Indica on many South Indian States, including Automela (probably Muziris), and a Pandian trade centre. Ancient Roman Natural philosopher Pliny the Elder mentions in his Naturalis Historia (N.H. 6.26) Muziris in Kerala as India's first port of importance. According to him, Muziris could be reached in 40 days' time from the Red sea ports in Egyptian coast purely depending on the South West Monsoon winds. Later, the unknown author of the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea notes that "both Muziris and Nelcynda are now busy places"." (History of Kerala - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Right from Megasthenes' times all these people came not just for tourism, but for trade, trade meant buying mainly spices from the Malabar of those times; in return they used to pay very little, because they found that once they get into the good books of the local ruler, they could get at very low prices and this was why they sailed for 40 days or so (when the winds were favourable) and reached Muziris from the Red Sea ports. The local king or chieftain used to be satisfied with gifts of tobacco, some foreign goods etc. More detailed info is available in a Malayalam language book titled "jati vyavasthayum kerala caritravum" by R. Balakrishnan.
2. There is no specific mention in any of the foreign travellers' accounts about the prosperity of Bharatvarsh. They describe what they saw and nowhere can we find anyone saying that the people of Bharatvarsha were all uniformly very rich and living luxurious lives. But over the centuries local chieftains, kings and the so-called emperors amassed lot of wealth at the cost of the blood and sweat of the vast toiling masses (read, Sudras) and this came to the notice of the invaders starting from Muhammad Bin Qasim (715 A.D.). Hence, there was a super-rich class in this country just as it is even today!
3. The "share of grain harvest" used to be given just only once in a year in the Nanjil Nadu. And each village had 'approved' one dhobi family, one barber family, one carpenter family, etc., as graamattu vaNNAn, graamattu ambattan, graamattu aasaari etc., and the quantity of paddy which used to be given was not sufficient even for one month's consumption for those families. Because of this usually there was fierce competition among those poor families to get the title of "graamattu..." at as many villages as possible, by accepting whatever was given and this cut others' chances.
Most other countries/civilizations did the very same kind of exploitation of the weaker sections of the society but they did not have brainwashed spokespersons right up to the 21st. century to tom tom an imaginary gloriious past. Since they were realistic, probably they all marched ahead! So, if one wakes up and tries to see what the reality was, perhaps it will be salutary.
Incidentally, it will be seen from the Chart given in post# 37, that India is shown right from A.D.1 onwards; how this was calculated is a mystery! In A.D. 1500, Japan overtakes India and by 1820 Japan is the lone super power! Britain with its empire is only the third!!
Aussie Indians Seek to Recreate Madison Magic
Modi's visit to Australia next month will include a public meeting in a stadium with a capacity of 20000. Expected that this event will make Modi visible to native australians too.
NEWDELHI: When Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s aides were working with organisersof the Madison Square Garden address in New York to get the show off theground, they were also speaking to another group pitching for a similar eventin a diametrically opposite part of the globe—Indian-Australians eager to hostModi during his trip Down Under in November.
It’s nowless than a month till Modi’s Madison Square Garden redux—addressing over15,000 overseas Indians at Australia’s largest indoor venue on November 17 from6 pm onwards.
Theorganisers expect to fill out all the seats at the Allphones arena, though thecrowd will be slightly smaller—mainly due to the format of the event—between15,000 and 18,000, compared to the record 19,000 people who raucously cheeredModi on September 28.
Modi willbe attending the G-20 leaders’ summit on November 15-16 and will then beattending bilateral talks in Canberra—the first in Australia by an Indian PM in28 years. He will be addressing a joint session of the federal parliament inCanberra—again a first by an Indian PM. This honour has been given to two otherleaders to the G20 summit, British PM David Cameron and Chinese president XiJinping.
Aussie Indians Seek to Recreate Madison Magic - The New Indian Express
Modi's visit to Australia next month will include a public meeting in a stadium with a capacity of 20000. Expected that this event will make Modi visible to native australians too.
NEWDELHI: When Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s aides were working with organisersof the Madison Square Garden address in New York to get the show off theground, they were also speaking to another group pitching for a similar eventin a diametrically opposite part of the globe—Indian-Australians eager to hostModi during his trip Down Under in November.
It’s nowless than a month till Modi’s Madison Square Garden redux—addressing over15,000 overseas Indians at Australia’s largest indoor venue on November 17 from6 pm onwards.
Theorganisers expect to fill out all the seats at the Allphones arena, though thecrowd will be slightly smaller—mainly due to the format of the event—between15,000 and 18,000, compared to the record 19,000 people who raucously cheeredModi on September 28.
Modi willbe attending the G-20 leaders’ summit on November 15-16 and will then beattending bilateral talks in Canberra—the first in Australia by an Indian PM in28 years. He will be addressing a joint session of the federal parliament inCanberra—again a first by an Indian PM. This honour has been given to two otherleaders to the G20 summit, British PM David Cameron and Chinese president XiJinping.
Aussie Indians Seek to Recreate Madison Magic - The New Indian Express
sangom
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This chart will help to comprehend India's glorious past in trade. We have to eschew western model and reinstate bharat's model of governance (distributed) and trade (widely spread among populace instead of concentration) and dharmic.
It is not known on what basis the ancient GDP of different countries have been worked out. I feel the data from about 1700 or so may be at least loosely verifiable but not in the earlier period. It is significant that neither the chart nor the poster has any comments about the basis of computation. And, if PPP comes in, how was PPP arrived at for those ancient periods?
This chart can be believed only on the quality of explanations to the above points.
sangom
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Modi is some kind of "phenomenon" and PIOs abroad, like 30% of the electorate in India, may be under the impression that Modi is some kind of an "avataar" who will wield the magic wand and make India the No.1 Super Power of the World and all that.
I am more a pragmatist and to the best of my knowledge, it will be difficult to turn around India into such a Super Power in one lifetime, say, the next 70 years, even for Modi. His manner of going about this task is also faulty, according to me. On the one hand he gives impossible promises like bringing back all the black money within 100 days of his reign (!) but has no shame taking a U-turn when the time comes; his grandiose plans like Clean Ganga, Swachha Bharat, and this house for everyone, etc., will also have the same fate as his black money (mis) promise. Already, cooking gas has come back to Aadhaar-linking and 9 cylinders.
On the other hand Modi is giving every indication that he is beyond the Party, beyond RSS and in course of time, he is likely to make himself beyond the Constitution also. But corruption is likely to raise its ugly head even for Modi government since one senior minister has already come under some shadow of doubt.
I therefore feel that much of the Modi promises will remain promises and will not materialize and it will be the Indian electorate who will be ultimately fooled. So, let us be a bit more pragmatic and watch what happens.
A wise response would have been - let us watch. What is the need for such negativity that india is bad, indians are bad, past was very bad, the country was in doldrums always.
If our wishes and predictions and expectations are met, India will have another golden era; but your negative wishes and downward pointing expectations are not shared by many.
If our wishes and predictions and expectations are met, India will have another golden era; but your negative wishes and downward pointing expectations are not shared by many.
CHINA has become the world's second biggest economy according to data released on Monday August 16th. Japan's economy fell behind China's at market exchange rates in the second quarter (it has been number three in PPP terms for some time). These numbers are not strictly comparable: Japan's data have been seasonally adjusted while those for China have not. Quibbles aside, Japan will surely be eclipsed soon, if it has not been already. Data compiled by Angus Maddison, an economist who died earlier this year, suggest that China and India were the biggest economies in the world for almost all of the past 2000 years. Why they fell so far behind may be more of a mystery than why they are currently flourishing.
China's economy: Hello America | The Economist
Angus Maddison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
China's economy: Hello America | The Economist
Angus Maddison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
sangom
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I could understand that it is Maddison's graph, Part 2 of his book, but it is not possible for me to buy the books just for this one point. I thought you may have access to both the volumes and so let us know on what basis Maddison (incidentally, an economist with the "Western" blot on him, doesn't he?) has compiled the data.
The western media have their own agenda behind each item of news put out by them, as you normally say. It is quite possible that a few months from now on, you will find the same economist saying China is far behind US! When you do not normally believe western sources why rely selectively when it suits your purpose?
sangom
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Sir,
My views are not put out because I want to reflect the majority opinion; they are strictly my views. As an Indian I fervently wish to be proved wrong, but my prognosis usually comes correct. When the SIT with Retd. Justice M.B. Shah was set up I told my friends that it would be an eye wash, and it has now come correct. Even the print and visual media seem to be skeptical about any black moneys worth the name being brought back to India. That was why Ram Jethmalani said in the Supreme Court that the govt. was shielding the crooks.
Look at clean Ganga scheme, even the Supreme court justices seem to be as negatively oriented as myself.
Swacch Bharat could have been somewhat successful if it was tagged on to the village adoption scheme for MPs/MLAs but, the way it has been caricatured with dignitaries and celebrities making a mock show of gathering a few paper bits etc., has been mocked by even language newspapers in their cartoons. People are watching and the proverbial cat's scheme of closing its eyes and making the world dark, may not work. I only wish Modi does not end up as a meteor!
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vignesh2014
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Dear Sir,
You have quoted like this
"You may kindly remember that even in Valmiki Ramayana, there is a story about a rishi (brahmin) so poor that he and his wife had no clothes to wear; the wife asks him to go to Ramapattabhisheka (originally planned by Dasaratha) and beg for some food and clothes on that occasion. So, Valmiki himself tries to tell us that not everything was so hunky dory as you imagine. The interpretation of sudra being "condemned to cry out throughout life because of his/her past karmas for which he/she was born in that low caste.", is also from the Braahmana texts which are coeval with the Upanishads. "
--First of all these are all not Brahmana texts since Valmiki is Rishi not Brahmin, Vishamitra also. Rama is also. Therefore there is no question brahmins creating these.
Another point is british and muslims wants to divide and rule us. Therefore they implanated seeds of divisions through our scriptures by putting things that were not earlier told...This will become very debatable because right now only source i feel is the Veda which is not written can be taken as the proof. Otherwise all texts are distorted to make a divide among Indians for the foreign rulers to establish themselves in India. (This is my point of view but I don't think you are going to agree for this). Whatever had been written in my view is distorted by the people who came later according to their own thinking and commentaries.Some new, new stories are written and added.
Even some say Bhagavad Gita is an added one into Maha Bharatha because how come in a war, a person can give Upadesam?(They say there will not be any time before war)...Therefore this argument will go and go on without end with these type of sources. It is the psyche of every Indian and I'm also part of it only.
You have quoted like this
"You may kindly remember that even in Valmiki Ramayana, there is a story about a rishi (brahmin) so poor that he and his wife had no clothes to wear; the wife asks him to go to Ramapattabhisheka (originally planned by Dasaratha) and beg for some food and clothes on that occasion. So, Valmiki himself tries to tell us that not everything was so hunky dory as you imagine. The interpretation of sudra being "condemned to cry out throughout life because of his/her past karmas for which he/she was born in that low caste.", is also from the Braahmana texts which are coeval with the Upanishads. "
--First of all these are all not Brahmana texts since Valmiki is Rishi not Brahmin, Vishamitra also. Rama is also. Therefore there is no question brahmins creating these.
Another point is british and muslims wants to divide and rule us. Therefore they implanated seeds of divisions through our scriptures by putting things that were not earlier told...This will become very debatable because right now only source i feel is the Veda which is not written can be taken as the proof. Otherwise all texts are distorted to make a divide among Indians for the foreign rulers to establish themselves in India. (This is my point of view but I don't think you are going to agree for this). Whatever had been written in my view is distorted by the people who came later according to their own thinking and commentaries.Some new, new stories are written and added.
Even some say Bhagavad Gita is an added one into Maha Bharatha because how come in a war, a person can give Upadesam?(They say there will not be any time before war)...Therefore this argument will go and go on without end with these type of sources. It is the psyche of every Indian and I'm also part of it only.
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