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Can a Hindu Celebrate Christmas

ekaputra

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These days people see Christmas as a holiday/celebration than a religious thing. Atleast with the people I know of.
Likewise with Deepavali here. Almost all Christian children join in bursting firecrackers for Deepavali and the money spent on crackers is probably more than on clothes plus cakes for Christmas.

It is natural that Hindus in USA enjoy Christmas as a festival.

USA and Britain (from the 16th century or so) have a Puritan/ Protestant foundation and protestants do not recognize Catholic Saints. Yet Santa Claus (Saint Nicholas) is needed as otherwise Christmas would only be a solemn affair (midnight mass and possibly other religious gatherings and singing of hymns) if there were no Christmas Tree or Santa Claus to tie gifts for children!
 

ekaputra

Active member
Dear Vaagmi ji..
What if in a previous life you were Tipu Sultan?
Since Tipu Sultan caused the loss of lives of so many vaishnavites brahmins..so in this life he had to take a birth as a Vaishnavite and defend it with all his might to undo the karma of killing vaishnava brahmins.

Do you realize you fiercely defend Iyengarism?
Karma works in strange ways.
I do see a Sultan in you.
I do not know about Tipu Sultan's rebirth. But, Alauddin Khilji and Mahmud of Ghazni who are of Turkish origin and their fanatic hordes are now reborn as Uyghurs (Turkic Mohammedans) in Xinjiang. Their brotherhood and sisterhood bonds have been reinforced by huddling large number of them close to one another in small rooms. They are enjoying Chinese hospitality in the form of protein rich pork in vocational training camps. They are seeing their mosques converted to liquor bars and public toilets. And the Chinese are receiving great appreciation and support from Mahathir Mohammed, Erdogan and Imran Khan to name only a few.

Yes, you are absolutely right. Karma works in strange ways.
 
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Rudra_Maha

New member
There is no which god .
God is called Kadavul in Tamil.
Called Ishwar in Hindi
Called Tuhan in Malay
Called Khuda in Farsi
Called Allah in Arabic.
I don't know what to make of this. Should I take this as your naivety or open -mindedness to accept . I'll go with the latter.

What we call as God can have different meanings, and the god of the indic faiths is not the same as the god of the other ones. To say, all gods are same, is just plain generalization of the issue at hand.

We do know clearly what the azaan says when it goes like there is no other god except the Arabic god.

Add to it, to reach a midpoint , although wouldn't agree, God maybe one, but religions are different.
 

renuka

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I don't know what to make of this. Should I take this as your naivety or open -mindedness to accept . I'll go with the latter.

What we call as God can have different meanings, and the god of the indic faiths is not the same as the god of the other ones. To say, all gods are same, is just plain generalization of the issue at hand.

We do know clearly what the azaan says when it goes like there is no other god except the Arabic god.

Add to it, to reach a midpoint , although wouldn't agree, God maybe one, but religions are different.

Its not open mindedness nor naivety.
But you can choose one of the two options for some closure.
 

ekaputra

Active member
A small correction:-

God is Greater
I bear witness that there is none but God(mention which god too here)..

That's the most important point, don't miss the elephant in the room.😅
The "which god" is the god of Abraham common to the 3 religions which are (therefore) sometimes referred to as Abrahamaic faiths. To the jews and the earliest followers of Jesus' teachings (earliest Christians) the name of this god is Yahweh. But, today's Christians have almost forgotten this original god and worship only Jesus. The jewish scriptures also acknowledge other gods such as the gods of Egyptians and so on but command jews to worship only Yahweh. And these scriptures also assert the supremacy of Yahweh over other gods - do not deny the existence. This supremacy over other gods is in itself an implicit acknowledgement of the existence of many gods even if they (the people of these 3 faiths) claim they worship the most powerful of the (many) gods as testified in their scriptures.

I do not know if allah is just the arabic word for god but there are verses from the quran which you can find on the walls of mosques like "who but a fool will reject the god of Abraham ... " and other similar. Their allah is Yahweh and Yahweh only.

If you claim that you worship God and revere incarnations of Vishnu (Narasimha, Rama and Krishna) but do not recognize Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus (rejected by Jews) and Muhammad (rejected by Jews and Christians) as the messengers of the God you believe in, then your God is not the god of Abraham.

Not just your religion but your God too is different from their god.
 
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prasad1

prasad1

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We are diverging from the thread topic.
God

1. God
A power conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.

With that definition you can not have multiple Gods.

It is like saying my infinity is different than your infinity.
 

Vaagmi

Well-known member
We are diverging from the thread topic.
God

1. God
A power conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.

With that definition you can not have multiple Gods.

It is like saying my infinity is different than your infinity.
It is okay as long as you stop with that. Only when you move further and say your infinity is the only infinity and my infinity is not at all an infinity and further go ahead and conclude with the assertion that I am a pagan for that reason who does not deserve to live here and draw your sword all hell is let loose.
 

renuka

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It is okay as long as you stop with that. Only when you move further and say your infinity is the only infinity and my infinity is not at all an infinity and further go ahead and conclude with the assertion that I am a pagan for that reason who does not deserve to live here and draw your sword all hell is let loose.
Well..may be there is a gene theory too.
So one set of genes feel they are on top of the food chain and another set of genes slays anyone who opposes them.
Both feel some need to be in power..only thing one is sword friendly.
So may be there is some common gene cos both have
The Supreme and His messenger concept.

Think about it.
 
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prasad1

prasad1

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We are diverging from the thread topic.
God

1. God
A power conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.

With that definition you can not have multiple Gods.

It is like saying my infinity is different than your infinity.
Unfortunately, Majority of religion only knows of limited god. These gods fight with the Devil who is not part of god and is separate from god.

Advaita philosophy is the only one that accepts Brahman as Infinite, omnipotent, omniscient entity.

Advaita is often translated as "non-duality," but a more apt translation is "non-secondness." It means that there is no other reality than Brahman, that "Reality is not constituted by parts," that is, ever-changing "things" have no existence of their own, but are appearances of the one Existent, Brahman; and that there is no duality between the essence, or Being, of a person (atman), and Brahman, the Ground of Being.

Bur Brahman is not Activist God, so people can not beg and get gift.
 

Vaagmi

Well-known member
Well..may be there is a gene theory too.
So one set of genes feel they are on top of the food chain and another set of genes slays anyone who opposes them.
Both feel some need to be in power..only thing one is sword friendly.
So may be there is some common gene cos both have
The Supreme and His messenger concept.

Think about it.
Thought about. Some people have the gene theory driven deep into them. So they are unable to move on. Every now and then the genes haunt them.
I'm sorry I have contributed to this. Bye.
 

kesavkalsi

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Celebrating Xmas will naturalize the concept of Jesus in a non christian land. Eventually christmas can seem more glamorous than other festivals. Its similar to how Xtians destroyed pagan identities and culture and overhelmed them in Europe
 

a-TB

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Christmas like all others like Deepavali is used for commercial purposes. So celebrating has no meaning other than find a way to escape the routines of life. Even the evangelical Christians are not really living the teaching of Christ. Most are just afraid of what would happen to them after death. This way they forget to live here and now. So either it is escaping reality with some celebrations or doing some religious activity to gain entry into heaven/vaikunta/siva loka or whatever. All these festivals provide a platform to fight though some religions feel they are exclusive and lack mutual respect.

Then comes a joker usually (not referring to anyone in particular) in such discussions and with half baked ideas throw the word Brahman into the mix. If there is only one existence without second it has to be me or christ or Buddha or Vishnu or Siva or Shakthi. So I am the same God in which case who has to worship whom? What is all these celebration about.

To avoid such confusions let us say a large part of humanity celebrates a day. Everyone can join that without agreeing to the exclusive belief of their religion
 
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prasad1

prasad1

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I do not know who this post is directed against.
The original post was in GD section and personal observation.
It was not a discussion about god or any philosophy.
But as is usual in any open forum, the thread meanders.
I do not know who the Joker is? If someone is so superior to other members maybe they can give a pass to the thread.
Without that paragraph, in the middle, the post is well written.
 

renuka

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I do not know who this post is directed against.
The original post was in GD section and personal observation.
It was not a discussion about god or any philosophy.
But as is usual in any open forum, the thread meanders.
I do not know who the Joker is? If someone is so superior to other members maybe they can give a pass to the thread.
Without that paragraph, in the middle, the post is well written.
LOL! Its very obvious who he meant.
He meant you.
 
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prasad1

prasad1

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LOL! Its very obvious who he meant.
He meant you.
I just pretended it was not directed at me, and he smartly avoided it being labeled a personal attack.
This person has seen Brahman himself.

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(Grey Brahman bull

So he can talk about it. But that Brahman is different than the Advaita Brahman.



LOL
 
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renuka

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Gold Member
I just pretended it was not directed at me, and he smartly avoided it being labeled a personal attack.
This person has seen Brahman himself.

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(Grey Brahman bull

So he can talk about it. But that Brahman is different than the Advaita Brahman.



LOL
actually we are not talking about anyone specific!
We have only used the pronoun "He"!🤣
 

a-TB

Well-known member
Seeing responses to my post I am reminded of a post of someone I admired here though I did not always agree with his radical views. But he was a TRAILBLAZER here. That is mR Sangom and he had a quote which I remember and is apt here

Kuttramulla nenjam kurukurukkum LOL

குற்றம் உள்ள நெஞ்சம் தான் குறுகுறுக்கும்..
 

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