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Visalakshi Ramani

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BRAHMAN AND MAYA.

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from either one to the other.

The sum total of all power is Brahmam;
The expression of the power is MAYA.

The Energy stored is Brahmam;
The Energy spent is MAYA.

The Immovable power is Brahmam;
The Power in motion is MAYA.

If a fire can be equated to Brahmam;
Its capacity to burn is equated to MAYA.

If a prism can be equated to Brahmam;
Its spectrum can be equated to MAYA.

If Srushti kAranam is Brahmam;
Then Srushti kAriyam is MAYA.

What lies beyond our sight is Brahmam;
Everything within our eye sight is MAYA.

That which remains aloof is Brahmam;
That which expresses itself is MAYA.

That which is neither born nor destroyed is Brahmam;
That which is born and gets destroyed is MAYA.

Brahmam and MAYA are mixed like milk and water.

Only a Parama hamsA can separate the two,

In the same way a hamsA separates milk and water.

Source my blog <visalramani.wordpress.com>
 

renuka

Gold Member
Gold Member
BRAHMAN AND MAYA.

Conversation as well conversion
from either one to the other.

The sum total of all power is Brahmam;
The expression of the power is MAYA.

The Energy stored is Brahmam;
The Energy spent is MAYA.

The Immovable power is Brahmam;
The Power in motion is MAYA.

If a fire can be equated to Brahmam;
Its capacity to burn is equated to MAYA.

If a prism can be equated to Brahmam;
Its spectrum can be equated to MAYA.

If Srushti kAranam is Brahmam;
Then Srushti kAriyam is MAYA.

What lies beyond our sight is Brahmam;
Everything within our eye sight is MAYA.

That which remains aloof is Brahmam;
That which expresses itself is MAYA.

That which is neither born nor destroyed is Brahmam;
That which is born and gets destroyed is MAYA.

Brahmam and MAYA are mixed like milk and water.

Only a Parama hamsA can separate the two,

In the same way a hamsA separates milk and water.

Source my blog <visalramani.wordpress.com>

Wonderful!!!
 
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sravna

sravna

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BRAHMAN AND MAYA.

Conversation as well conversion
from either one to the other.

The sum total of all power is Brahmam;
The expression of the power is MAYA.

The Energy stored is Brahmam;
The Energy spent is MAYA.

The Immovable power is Brahmam;
The Power in motion is MAYA.

If a fire can be equated to Brahmam;
Its capacity to burn is equated to MAYA.

If a prism can be equated to Brahmam;
Its spectrum can be equated to MAYA.

If Srushti kAranam is Brahmam;
Then Srushti kAriyam is MAYA.

What lies beyond our sight is Brahmam;
Everything within our eye sight is MAYA.

That which remains aloof is Brahmam;
That which expresses itself is MAYA.

That which is neither born nor destroyed is Brahmam;
That which is born and gets destroyed is MAYA.

Brahmam and MAYA are mixed like milk and water.

Only a Parama hamsA can separate the two,

In the same way a hamsA separates milk and water.

Source my blog <visalramani.wordpress.com>

Good one madam!
 

renuka

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Dear Sravna,

I was relaxing a while and hearing this song and just thought its almost like a Jeeva and Maya conversation..


Ok Jeeva is getting fed up of Maya and the "lies" and illusions she spins and Jeeva has fallen in love with Brahman and only wants to break free to reach Him at the same time relates how Maya has conditioned Jeeva all these years and Jeeva realizes that he has to get used to being alone without all the transient illusionary love of Maya that Jeeva was accustomed all these years..


Lyrics and song from "I want to break free" (Queen)

I want to break free
I want to break free
I want to break free from your lies
You're so self satisfied I don't need you
I've got to break free
God knows, God knows I want to break free

I've fallen in love
I've fallen in love for the first time
And this time I know it's for real
I've fallen in love,
God knows God knows I've fallen in love

It's strange but it's true
I can't get over the way you love me like you do
But I have to be sure
When I walk out that door
Oh how I want to be free baby
Oh how I want to be free
Oh how I want to break free

But life still goes on
I can't get used to living without living without
Living without you by my side
I don't want to live alone hey
God knows got to make it on my own
So baby can't you see
I've got to break free

I've got to break free
I want to break free

I want, I want, I want, I want to break free


<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: verdana">[video=youtube_share;Kee9Et2j7DA]http://youtu.be/Kee9Et2j7DA[/video]​
 
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sravna

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Dear Sravna,

I was relaxing a while and hearing this song and just thought its almost like a Jeeva and Maya conversation..


Ok Jeeva is getting fed up of Maya and the "lies" and illusions she spins and Jeeva has fallen in love with Brahman and only wants to break free to reach Him at the same time relates how Maya has conditioned Jeeva all these years and Jeeva realizes that he has to get used to being alone without all the transient illusionary love of Maya that Jeeva was accustomed all these years..

Dear Renuka,

Looks like a typical script of tamil movies where the good guy gets all that is good. I think the talent of maya is also unique in that it makes you to totally believe in something delusional. Is it not more difficult than making you believe in the real thing?
 

renuka

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Karl Marx said " Religion is the Opium of the People".

Hey Sravna....is Maya making us puff Opium?

Can we say Maya is the Opium of the masses?
 
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sravna

sravna

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Karl Marx said " Religion is the Opium of the People".

Hey Sravna....is Maya making us puff Opium?

Can we say Maya is the Opium of the masses?

I would add more an opium of the elite since they seem to stagger more than the masses
 

renuka

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Gold Member
I would add more an opium of the elite since they seem to stagger more than the masses

You know Sravna..anyone reading all our post so far might think me or you were high on opium when we wrote all these..just scroll back and read what we wrote!!
Its spiritually "high".LOL!! (just kidding)
 
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sravna

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You know Sravna..anyone reading all our post so far might think me or you were high on opium when we wrote all these..just scroll back and read what we wrote!!
Its spiritually "high".LOL!! (just kidding)

Don't you think maya would then be at its very best?
 

renuka

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Gold Member
Ok now I have a question for you Sravna..many a times its asked if Jeeva or even Iswara under the spell of Maya... but is Maya under its own spell too?
What I mean is ..Is Maya immune to its own Maya?
 
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sravna

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Dear Renuka,

IMO, the influence of maya should seen in context of its purpose. It is that aspect of the omniscient and omnipotent brahman which again IMO is responsible for the bliss of the brahman. The bliss comes from the inherent balance because that which is perfectly balanced can never come to grief and there is a peace that is its characteristic. We have human examples in the great sages especially the brahmarishis who are supposed to have transcended emotions and hence can never be mentally affected.

Thus the purpose of maya in physical terms is only to aid the process towards that blissful state and in spiritual terms defines brahman's eternal and blissful state. But maya shouldn't be thought of as something separate from brahman but if something that is resposnible for the physical world and all its events and also for the the own bliss of brahman, and has been called something, it is called maya.

So, maya deluding itself would be self destructive and contradicts the eternal nature of brahman.
 

Visalakshi Ramani

Well-known member
Ok now I have a question for you Sravna..many a times its asked if Jeeva or even Iswara under the spell of Maya... but is Maya under its own spell too?
What I mean is ..Is Maya immune to its own Maya?


Here is a story describing the power of Maya on Narada the Devarishi.

[h=1]மாயையின் சக்தி.[/h]

“மாயையின் வயப்பட்டவர்களால்
மாயையை அறியவே முடியாது!”
கூறும் இறைவனிடம் நாரத முனிவர்
கூறினார்,”நானும் காணவேண்டுமே!”

நீண்ட நெடிய பயணம் சென்றனர்,
நீல வர்ணனும் நாரதரும் ஒருநாள்.
“நீர் வேட்கை மிகுந்து உள்ளது!
நீர் கொண்டு வாரும் நாரதரே!”

நீர் நிலையை அடைந்த நாரதர்;
நிகரற்ற ஓரழகியைக் கண்டார்.
அவளும் இன்சொல் பயிலவே,
அவரும் மதி மயங்கலானார் .

இருவரும் கூடி இன்புற்றிடவே,
பிறந்தன பலப் பல குழந்தைகள்.
கொடிய நோய் ஒன்று தோன்றியது;
நொடியில் மரணம் விளைவித்தது!

“வேறிடம் போவோம்” எனக் கூறி
வேகமாகக் குடும்பத்துடன் செல்ல,
பொங்கிய ஆற்று நீர் அனைவரையும்
எங்கோ இழுத்துச் சென்று விடவே,

தனித்து விடப்பட்ட நாரதர் கண்கள்
பனித்து அழுது புலம்பும் பொழுது,
“நீர் என்ன செய்து கொண்டுள்ளீர்?
நீர் கொண்டுவர இவ்வளவு நேரமா?”

“ஒரே நிமிடத்தில் இத்தனையும்
ஒருசேர நிகழ்ந்தனவா, இறைவா?
உன் மாயைக்கு ஒரு நமஸ்காரம்!
உனக்கு ஒரு கோடி நமஸ்காரம்!

மாயையை என்னிடம் நெருங்கிவிட,
மறந்தும் கூட நீ அனுமதியாதே!
மானிடர்கள் படும் துன்பங்கள்,
மாதவா! மலைப்பூட்டுதே!” என்றார்.

வாழ்க வளமுடன்,
விசாலாக்ஷி ரமணி.
 

Visalakshi Ramani

Well-known member
One more here.... if for it you care! :)


மாயாவிலாசம்.



நர நாராயணர்களாக அவதரித்த இறைவன்,
வரங்கள் பலவற்றைத் தர விரும்பினாலும்,
இறைவனின் மாயா விலாசத்தை காணவே,
மறை முனிவர் மார்க்கண்டேயர் விழைந்தார்.

வீசும் காற்றாலும், பெய்யும் மழையாலும்,
வாசம் செய்து வந்த உலகமே மூழ்கிவிட்டது!
எங்கு நோக்கினும் சுழித்து ஓடும் நீர்தான்,
எங்குமே எதுவுமே காணப்படவில்லை!

பத்துக் கோடி ஆண்டுகள் தனிமையிலே
ஒற்றையாகச் சுழன்றவர் பிறகு கண்டார்,
ஆல் இலை மேல் ஒரு அழகிய குழந்தையை;
கால் விரலை வாயில் இட்டுச் சுவைப்பவனை!

தழுவ விரும்பி அதன் அருகே சென்றவரை,
முழுதுமாக கவர்ந்தது உள் மூச்சுக் காற்று.
முழு உலகமும் கண்டார் குழந்தையினுள்!
முழுதுமாய் வெளி வந்தார் வெளி மூச்சில்.

மீண்டும் குழந்தையைத் தழுவ முயன்றவர்,
மீண்டும் தன் ஆசிரமத்திலேயே இருந்தார்!
காற்று, வெள்ளம், மேகம், மழை, சுழல்கள்
பார்த்த எல்லாம் மாயா விலாசம் அல்லவா?

மாயையின் சக்தியை வெல்வது கடினம்.
மாலவன் பூரண அருள் இருந்தால் அன்றி
மாயையை வெல்லவே முடியாது என்று
மாதவனே தன் கீதையில் உரைக்கின்றான்!

வாழ்க வளமுடன்,
விசாலாக்ஷி ரமணி.
 

prasad1

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Gold Member
Dear Renuka,

IMO, the influence of maya should seen in context of its purpose. It is that aspect of the omniscient and omnipotent brahman which again IMO is responsible for the bliss of the brahman. The bliss comes from the inherent balance because that which is perfectly balanced can never come to grief and there is a peace that is its characteristic. We have human examples in the great sages especially the brahmarishis who are supposed to have transcended emotions and hence can never be mentally affected.

Thus the purpose of maya in physical terms is only to aid the process towards that blissful state and in spiritual terms defines brahman's eternal and blissful state. But maya shouldn't be thought of as something separate from brahman but if something that is resposnible for the physical world and all its events and also for the the own bliss of brahman, and has been called something, it is called maya.

So, maya deluding itself would be self destructive and contradicts the eternal nature of brahman.

Sorry to jump in to this high philosophy talk between two stalwarts.
Can Maya be equated to "ignorance of truth", it is opposite of truth. So ignorance can not have ignorance. There has to be a percepter to be ignorant of truth for maya to function. When we take away the jiva there is no maya IMO.
 
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