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    I want to start a thread to report instances of brahmin bashing on the web and discuss how to counter such hate rhetoric. I request you friends to report such instances here and exchange ideas on how to counter them.

    I want to bring one such instance to your notice where a collegemate of mine was blaming us.

    She is a daughter of a DK member /atheist. Her argument was that it was the fault of brahmins that women who are having monthly periods are not allowed to enter temples.

    I replied that no such restriction exists in temples and it was the wish of the devotees that they did not go to temples during such a time, probably because they did not feel clean and avoided going to temples out of reverence to gods who them hold in high esteem. No matter how much i argued, i could not convince her and we do not get along well after that.

    Please put in your comments on this incident or if you had experienced similar situations

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    guru,

    please note, that we will monitor this thread carefully.

    we do not want this thread to turn into a political or social platform. neither do we want this to be a plank to heap abuse on fellow tamil hindu communities.

    there are always extremes in any society. your experience is from an extreme of one kind.

    you have to come to terms, that there are certain folks, who will never see reason.

    hopefully, we see some positive and constructive suggestions here for you from other members.
    we hope that this thread does not become a receptacle of who has a more horror story than the next.

    guru, also, in order to exhibit your good faith, we the moderators, expect you to comment, react to many of the comments that may be posted here. so, please monitor replies and comment on them.

    thank you.
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    Shri Guruprasad,

    This is a fairly common topic that comes up while talking to sikh or lingayath women. Menstruation does not restrict them from offering prayers. They (to me, rightly) reason out that even a person with viral fever is as "sick" as a menstruating person, and if a menstruating woman feels healthy, there shd be nothing stopping her from praying and going about daily activities. And i notice that women of these communities feel quite proud that they are allowed to do so, unlike hindus in general.

    Let us not forget that in the old days the hygiene part was no good (no sanitary pads and such stuff), so it may have made sense to isolate the menstruating person, esp from entering the kitchen. But today with hygiene washes and all that, it may not make sense to isolate women on menstruation grounds.

    Generally women discuss it as a 'hindu' thing since restricting a menstruating women from entering kitchen, praying, etc is/used to be common to all hindu communities (not a specifically brahmin thing). Looks like you argued with the wrong person.
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    We need not bother much about the people who have no faith at all .
    Even if we explain them with the logic behind , they will
    switch over to some other topic to condemn us. It is their mind at last
    which decides to oppose .
    So need not feel much pain about
    these things . Mostly our current world is influenced by male chauvinism.
    There are lot of things that a women can find fault with not only in temple .
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    Brahmin bashing is going on for decades and most of us here have learnt live with it. The best way to insult them is ignoring them. Let us not play into their hands. Particularly if they start targeting our ladies, we have to be much more careful.

    Let us concentrate on development activities instead of wasting time in arguing with them

    All the best
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    My thoughts are here.

    1. Dont get provoked unncessarily.

    2. Reacting to silly, baseless comments will make us land in trouble.

    3. Ignoring is the best way of insulting.

    4. When the targeted person doesn't respond, the initiator's guns will fall silent.

    5. However, if physically manhandled or harassed, we have not face it resolutely,
    drawing support from like-minded persons/circles.

    Unfortunately, those who legislate for the country are mostly NBs and we may not receive legal (police/judiciary) and media support and only disappointment will be the result.
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    First I want to tell that every custom&habit followed by our community have reasons. We may not be taught about those. My thinking is that, the reason why the ladies are separated and they will not go to temples during their mensural periods are many. First , in joint families there were many ladies, each one of them can take rest in ‘their’ days,
    Sometimes making broomsticks,cleaning garden will be done in that period. Second,
    think of the costumes worn by ladies while going to temple. The silk sari may get spoilt, decorating themselves with rich ornaments and flowers too can tempt their men. Third doctors are telling that women in ‘their’ periods due to the harmone imbalance often gets irritation,anger, and drowsy sometimes. If proper rest is taken in those days( as they have no rest on Sundays,holidays and no retirement from the household) they get recharged.

    regards
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    The reasons for 'Brahmin bashing' are very simple... It's because people with political motives need to create an oppressor and an oppressed to rule the masses. This is to prove to the 'oppressed' people that these 'leaders' are trying save the poor 'oppressed' people from their 'oppressors'. Hence such people with political ideas always try to target communities that do not fight back as it is easier for them to label them as oppressors and make scape goats out of them. The Nazis chose the Jews as they did not fight back. As our brother Venkatramani rightly said above - we should not play into the hands of such ignorant people. In India it was the landlords and other such other powerful people that oppressed people but these so called atheists and powerful political leaders did not have the courage to target them lest they be beheaded by them. Hence they aimed at the poor Brahmin who only said 'Bhavati Bhikshandehi'! The culture, traditions and the Sattva Guna that runs in our blood should be never given up. Jealousy is another major factor causing Brahmin bashing. Quite a large percentage of the Brahmin community belong to the lower middle class level and yet these Brahmin kids do so well in studies. The solution is not arguing with such people who attack us but to communicate to these ignorant people in a very sophisticated and polished way our ideas through deeds than through words..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by vijivenkatraman View Post
    Pranams
    First I want to tell that every custom&habit followed by our community have reasons. We may not be taught about those. My thinking is that, the reason why the ladies are separated and they will not go to temples during their mensural periods are many. First , in joint families there were many ladies, each one of them can take rest in ‘their’ days,
    Sometimes making broomsticks,cleaning garden will be done in that period. Second,
    think of the costumes worn by ladies while going to temple. The silk sari may get spoilt, decorating themselves with rich ornaments and flowers too can tempt their men. Third doctors are telling that women in ‘their’ periods due to the harmone imbalance often gets irritation,anger, and drowsy sometimes. If proper rest is taken in those days( as they have no rest on Sundays,holidays and no retirement from the household) they get recharged.

    regards
    Some of the customs have their mystical reasons. This is one of them. Its not just menstrual blood, but all blood. The inner beings from the second and third world that 'hover' in and around temples and shrine rooms recognise blood. In this plane, blood begets blood. Wars continue. Violence begets violence. In the realms of the ocean, it is well know that if you want to attack sharks, you put out a lot of blood from fish. With the keen sense of smell, and instinctive drive, the sharks come. In national parks in Canada, inside booklets that are guides to back country camping, there is a specific warning to menstruating women about bears. Bears can smell much better than humans and are more likely to attack a menstruating woman simple because of the blood smell.

    These same concepts also applu to unseen worlds. We burn incense, offer flowers, sing music, etc., to attract devonic forces. Menstrual blood, as well as body odor, plain dirt, etc., mystically attracts the not-so-devonic forces. That is the real reason for this custom. Of course much ot this mystical knowledge has been lost due to the over intellectualisation of our religion by foreign forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vijivenkatraman View Post
    think of the costumes worn by ladies while going to temple. The silk sari may get spoilt, decorating themselves with rich ornaments and flowers too can tempt their men.
    Spoken like a true Taliban, men may get tempted

    I hope you know that silk sarees and ornaments are not a must when visiting temples.

    Third doctors are telling that women in ‘their’ periods due to the harmone imbalance often gets irritation,anger, and drowsy sometimes.

    Why is isolation and separation by at least 8 feet necessary for this?


    Quote Originally Posted by Eastern Mind View Post
    .... Its not just menstrual blood, but all blood. The inner beings from the second and third world that 'hover' in and around temples and shrine rooms recognise blood. In this plane, blood begets blood. Wars continue. Violence begets violence.
    Wow! O! Canada!

    Cheers!
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