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Why South Indian Brahmins are intelligent?

Bharatinone

New member
Recently, I was invited as a Guest of honor for a Business Seminar in Mumbai on INCLUSIVE GROWTH and to speak on HR challenges under the chairmanship of Vice Chancellor of a very reputed University. During the preliminary meeting to structure the seminar, I had to meet the Director of the Management Institute, a young, dynamic Maharastrian gentleman with pleasing manners. During the course of informal discussion, he pleasantly surprised me by asking the question, "Why South Indian Brahmins are intelligent?" Even though I was educated in Tamilnadu, I was fortunate to travel and work in all major regions of India. Nobody has asked this question to me ever before. We brahmins were never recognized in Tamilnadu, even though our community has contributed tremendously for the field of Education, Arts, Health and Community Service. We had to migrate to other states and other countries not out of mere choice but out of compulsion. So I asked him a counter question, How will you increase the speed of water without altering the supply of water? He could not answer my question, may be due to lack of clarity in my question. I explained to him that only way to increase the speed of delivery is by narrowing down the aperture of the pipe. When the resistance increases and the given supply of water has to come out through narrow aperture and therefore automatic improvement in the speed of delivery and that is what happened to South Indian Brahmins, who migrated outside of Tamilnadu. So far suppressed and under utilized talents of South Indian Brahmins are well taken care of by other states including united states. We are all out with a vengeance to prove a point to so called Dravidian political parties and its self styled leaders, who have amassed brutal wealth with the empty slogan of seeing the god in the smiles of poor people. Hope you would agree with me.
It is a wrong notion to say Brahmins are intelligent. By far the backward communities are far more intelligent than the Brahmins. However the Brahmins had all the opportunity during the British rule in India. Starting from Nehru the Gandhi Dynasty took all the opportunity to develop the Brahmin community. I have seen many times in the middle east, when a scheduled or lower caste comes to work. The work really hard in low jobs. Then when the kids are born they send the kids to private school and other American schools. When they graduate they speak better than the Brahmins, more confident, more intelligent, and they look very attractive because these kids live indoors with air condition, drink milk and eat cheese they grow taller and the brain works better. With a few years they are outstanding and do a better job than Brahmins because there are more healthier as well. So stop saying Brahmins are intelligent. It is like saying 95% of Indians are *******.
 
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GNANA SUNYAM

Active member
If we the Tamil Brahmins are so intelligent why not one is in the list of Richest Indians?


2019 Indian billionaires top 60

RankNameNet worth (USD)Sources of wealth
1Mukesh Ambani50.0 billiondiversified
2Azim Premji22.6 billionsoftware services
3Shiv Nadar14.6 billionsoftware services
4Lakshmi Mittal13.6 billionsteel
5Uday Kotak11.8 billionbanking
6Kumar Mangalam Birla11.1 billioncommodities
7Radhakishan Damani11.1 billioninvestments, retail
8Cyrus Poonawalla9.5 billionvaccines
9Gautam Adani8.7 billioncommodities, ports
10Dilip Shanghvi7.6 billionpharmaceuticals
"....
Seraamal iruppathu?
Kalviyum Selvamum
Serndhea iruppathu?
Varumayum pulamaiyum
...."
Sounds like I heard this in some tamil movie
Thiruvin vilayaadal
 
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GNANA SUNYAM

Active member
It is a wrong notion to say Brahmins are intelligent. By far the backward communities are far more intelligent than the Brahmins. However the Brahmins had all the opportunity during the British rule in India. Starting from Nehru the Gandhi Dynasty took all the opportunity to develop the Brahmin community. I have seen many times in the middle east, when a scheduled or lower caste comes to work. The work really hard in low jobs. Then when the kids are born they send the kids to private school and other American schools. When they graduate they speak better than the Brahmins, more confident, more intelligent, and they look very attractive because these kids live indoors with air condition, drink milk and eat cheese they grow taller and the brain works better. With a few years they are outstanding and do a better job than Brahmins because there are more healthier as well. So stop saying Brahmins are intelligent. It is like saying 95% of Indians are *******.
Among Indians there are some who are intelligent, some not so intelligent.
Among the some who are intelligent, there are also some whom others refer to as brahmins. Incidentally (or coincidentally!!!) the number of so-called-brahmins in the intelligent bracket is significant and it is no mean figure so much so that whoever is intelligent is figuratively referred to as brahmin.
As per this definition, Dr Renuka is a brahmin.
In a democracy, numbers/metrics matter.
 
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usaiyer

Active member
The Maharashtrian gentleman's observation was pertinent because of significant migration of Brahmins from Tamilnadu and Kerala to Bombay in search of jobs those days. Not so much in other communities who settled down locally.,
Brahmins because of their intelligence proved to be great teachers in subjects like Maths,Physics,and Languages like English and Sanskrit and Hindi.A trichy based Christian college had a large no. of Brahmin teachers from nearby Srirangam in the early 60s.
Few Brahmins like TVS &Sons were in business like public transport and goods carriers and were known for moderate charges and punctuality in service.
There were many in Agriculture and employed people and
paid them well and also munificently fed and nurtured the
village poor.
Hotels and Eateries were a business line the Brahmins were in,but ethics and fairness in Business was only their motto;
but never to amass wealth or indulge in pomp and luxury.
They also promoted good cultural and religious values in the
people ,started free boarding schools for poor boys and
built or renovated local temples and so on.
So much for Brahmin Intelligence.
 

cm124534

New member
Renukaji, Agree with your above post except this statement. Many Brahmins and same goes true for other communities , who have got their brain rigged by the sanghis, do not follow any ethics. They indulge in unethical practices in businesses and corporates and govt as their mind no longer has the ability to discern any karma or right vs wrong. They are driven purely by emotions of hatred and anger.

Most of the people who are mind rigged don't even know it is a sanghi project designed to fill the minds with hatred against Muslims. This is exactly similar to how the taliban mind rigs its fighters, whose minds a re filled with hatred and anger. The only job is,to spew hatred and attack Muslims and Christians.

That's why, how much ever you argue with them that killing an innocent 21 yr old tabrez is morally, ethically and karmically wrong, it does not change their mind. For them, all these are collateral damages, in their war to teach a lesson to muslims for what happened during Ghazni war and Mughal rule. Rediculous but unfortunately true.

That's what this mind rigging does...removes karma, removes right vs wrong, removes compassion, removes forgiveness, removes human values. You cannot make out when you talk to them normally, but strongly disagree with them no their views, you will see the vicious hatred, anger and vengeance. Like we see in this very forum.
Renukaji, Agree with your above post except this statement. Many Brahmins and same goes true for other communities , who have got their brain rigged by the sanghis, do not follow any ethics. They indulge in unethical practices in businesses and corporates and govt as their mind no longer has the ability to discern any karma or right vs wrong. They are driven purely by emotions of hatred and anger.

Most of the people who are mind rigged don't even know it is a sanghi project designed to fill the minds with hatred against Muslims. This is exactly similar to how the taliban mind rigs its fighters, whose minds a re filled with hatred and anger. The only job is,to spew hatred and attack Muslims and Christians.

That's why, how much ever you argue with them that killing an innocent 21 yr old tabrez is morally, ethically and karmically wrong, it does not change their mind. For them, all these are collateral damages, in their war to teach a lesson to muslims for what happened during Ghazni war and Mughal rule. Rediculous but unfortunately true.

That's what this mind rigging does...removes karma, removes right vs wrong, removes compassion, removes forgiveness, removes human values. You cannot make out when you talk to them normally, but strongly disagree with them no their views, you will see the vicious hatred, anger and vengeance. Like we see in this very forum.
Are you aware that most 'sanghis' in tamilnadu are nadar, vanniyar, konar, and goundar?? i.e., the exact same group that helped keep chettiar-mudaliar-pillai (Dravidian) politics and it's hate alive.

Nadars' growth would've been impossible without Dravidian movt and Periyar. Kamaraj's title of "kalvi thanthai" rests on a lie.

For the last 40+ years, a konar has been the head of the Dravidar Kazhagam.

Dravida Mudaliar Kazhagam was started by mudaliar/Chettiar/balija naidu, but they too didn't have numerical strength. Vanniyars provided the numbers. Vanniyars and nadars had been in Congress after Rajaji's forced resignation. Then, after Anna died, in 1969, they used periyars help to oust the mudaliar leadership of DMK and usurp it using their man, Karunanidhi.

Goundars have provided critical leadership to DK and DMK and goundar became BC from FC in Karunanidhi's rule in 1975.

Nothing could be more criminal than vanniyar/nadar/konar/goundar et al opposing Dravidian movt and Periyar today. These were the groups that kept the Dravidian movt, and it's hate alive. Yet, these are the 'sanghis' of TN. Whatever they do, their brethren and masters in nagarathar-vellalar (Dravidian) movement will blame sanghi-> rss-> hindutva-> parpanan(eeyam). In fact, no tamil has moral right to oppose Dravidian movt because all Tamils were involved. That hate lives a hundred years because all tamils approved of it.

Pls don't blame 'sanghis'. You know who most of the 'sanghis' in TN are.

You talk politcs, I talk politcs. Just because you can come to our forum and talk shit about us (and we put up with it and engage you) doesn't mean we don't know who you are.

We may not all be as smart as Dr. Renuka, but we are smart enough to know what has been happening in TN, and who and what kind of people Tamils are
 

Mani_Chennai

Active member
The whole is missed in these discussions. Here are the reasons based on my encounter with over 300 IIT students, Professors and scholars:

1. They use “inductive reasoning”- Form a mental hypothesis(or in mathematical term conjecture) and come to a theory. For example, historically Brahmins in general grew in poverty and accepted it as the fate. Thus, whatever they got, they felt it is God given and learned to live in poverty. The original Brahmins culture demanded poverty yet teaching to others- beg in just five houses and eat what you get or starve, but your duty is to teach others. Old gurukulas made all students – from all caste to learn like that and the teacher was given sharamdan and whatever the rich and parents paid at the end. So, accepting – janani janma sawkyanaam, vardhani kula sambadaam, pathavi purva punynam , likyade janma patrika- the mother live happily for her life time, she is the agumeter of the family, one's job is based on good deeds in a previous birth, thus this horoscope is written. Those who could not teach became cooks, pujaris, vaidikis and so on. This poverty embracing quality is running in these families for the generations. This does not mean, they don't like wealth etc., but just accept what is given. So, later, in general, they did not accept bribe.

2. Inductive reasoning is the key for independent thinking. All discoveries are based on inductive reasoning. There must be a root, from which branches emerge which contain leaves and they look to sun, water and air to survive. Brahmins who are liberated and moved out of old school, now see their subdued inductive curiosity sprout as the environment is appropriate. Thus, moving from the South they blossom and are appreciated. CV Raman, Ramanujan, Kanade, Baskaracharya, Sankara, Arya Bhatta, Chanakya... are all in the USA (very few in Europe) because USA does not condemn failure and encourages success by repeated effort.
3. Since education is given high priority, historically IAS, IFS,IPS were the target of Brahmins followed by Law, Medicine and civil service during British time. Since Brahmins had learned at least three languages – Tamil, Sanskrit, English their diction, oratory and free thinking flourished in about 40-50% of Brahmins. Others still were in hotels as cooks, purajirs, Vaidigas. Polymath- many languages and many skill sets made them proud and in general while being benevolent did not go after money, rather went after name and fame. But always feared God,thus were more socially active benevolent ones. Temple entry was done by Brahmins!.

4. While the 7 risheis were not all Brahmins, but by their dedication to dharma- justice and rule of law, they created the Brahminical section devoted to learning and teaching. Any one who chooses that path is a Brahmins such as, Viswamitra. Many saints and almost all Gods are nonBrahmin Kshatriya Rama, Yadava Krishanaand so on, which did not bother Brahmins as they accepted them savior Gods. Brahmins also accepted local deities when they moved form the North- thus the Dravidian Gods : Murugan et al, Kali and devadas for each Tamil nomenclature of the land – Mountain, Forest, Agriculture, Sea and Desert were accepted. All Brahmins saints accepted them and also worshiped nonBrahmin Nayanmars and Alwars etc.

Only a limited selfish Brahmins who behaved as businessmen were the exemption.

Thus, the genetics of Brahmins in South India is carried over today and in isolation they appear to be intelligent. Others too are intelligent but percentage wise less.

5. Chanting mantras, slokas etc., the memory power to retain and recall – brain power

is retained. Thus, to get away from sorrow, they resort to Puja, Dyana etc., which are in Sanskrit. Many many not understand the meaning, but deeply believe in their effects and gain peace of mind. Thus, in general, the mental health of Brahmin is high. Instead of fighting they move away and expect God will punish the wrong doer.

Even if some one in their family marry outside caste, they don't go and kill them which is encouraged in other castes.

If we design proper sociological. Psychological and intellectual questionnaire and take a honest survey, we will know more but no Brahmins would like waste their time in this research. Brahmins in general, love Tamil more than others. They speak it in the USA now! with clear l, lh and lzha.
 

sravna

Well-known member
Intelligence is of different types. Brahmins excel in higher thinking both because of their genes and tradition. While westerners are gifted in creativity and far East people with analytical thinking.

Higher thinking skills are the least appreciated and applied but are powerful enough to be used to create the results of analytical and creative thinking. That's the reason Brahmins shine in research and academia and other areas requiring thinking skills in spite of their special higher thinking skills not being required.

The grasp of spiritual truths as in the Vedas and other scriptures exemplify the application of higher thinking skills. The knowledge creation systems of today have no place for them where experimentation and physical evidence rule in the acquisition of knowledge.

If the true intelligence of Brahmins is to be appreciated then something tangible, physical and of practical utility needs to emerge out of it. Till then the superlative works of higher thinking and the real skills of Brahmins will remain unnoticed.
 

Mani_Chennai

Active member
Really???

How about Komalavalli?
What a sad way to think! When any quality is stated, it is based on high statistical index based and not to find the 5% exception such as Komalavalli? When her sari was pulled, did any Brahmin rush to help her. Also, this type of argument is supporting one's own prejudices. The question should be, is this a significant trait or not. There was a Harijan nandanar who was admitted directly into Chidabram but why not one of the Dhishitars? Does this mean, every one is Nandanar in his clan? Personal likes and dislikes here should be avoided in general discussion in the forum, otherwise only "yes" men will be forum members. Sorry, I should not have provoked "Yes" group, but not to express is also a sin. After all Hinduism allowed both Baktha and Nastika whom GOD does not discriminate (as told to us by our elders and literature).
 

prasad1

Gold Member
Gold Member
What a sad way to think! When any quality is stated, it is based on high statistical index based and not to find the 5% exception such as Komalavalli? When her sari was pulled, did any Brahmin rush to help her. Also, this type of argument is supporting one's own prejudices. The question should be, is this a significant trait or not. There was a Harijan nandanar who was admitted directly into Chidabram but why not one of the Dhishitars? Does this mean, every one is Nandanar in his clan? Personal likes and dislikes here should be avoided in general discussion in the forum, otherwise only "yes" men will be forum members. Sorry, I should not have provoked "Yes" group, but not to express is also a sin. After all Hinduism allowed both Baktha and Nastika whom GOD does not discriminate (as told to us by our elders and literature).
I agree with you. But there are no groups here. I am an equal opportunity (offender) presenter of my opinions. I expect to be challenged by others as long as they are civil discourses.
This is the beauty of this forum.
I read most of the posts in certain sections, I avoid some others. If I like a post I do click the "Like" button.
 

renuka

Gold Member
Gold Member
Intelligence is of different types. Brahmins excel in higher thinking both because of their genes and tradition. While westerners are gifted in creativity and far East people with analytical thinking.

Higher thinking skills are the least appreciated and applied but are powerful enough to be used to create the results of analytical and creative thinking. That's the reason Brahmins shine in research and academia and other areas requiring thinking skills in spite of their special higher thinking skills not being required.

The grasp of spiritual truths as in the Vedas and other scriptures exemplify the application of higher thinking skills. The knowledge creation systems of today have no place for them where experimentation and physical evidence rule in the acquisition of knowledge.

If the true intelligence of Brahmins is to be appreciated then something tangible, physical and of practical utility needs to emerge out of it. Till then the superlative works of higher thinking and the real skills of Brahmins will remain unnoticed.
Dear Sravna,
As much as your post is fine, I do not think " higher thinking" is limited to any one specific community.

A lot of Brazilian doctors are pioneers in many new surgical procedures.
Even the Surgery for Tetralogy of Fallot, the pioneer was not even a doctor but an African American janitor who just knew what should be done and he also got imput from dreams..he finally became a doctor but the sugery he pioneered was when he was a janitor.

You have to understand, Brahmins are intellectually oriented as that is their rice bowl and its also because the community enviroment views intelligence as a chudamani and lack of intelligence is worse than poverty.
Other communities in the past didnt value education because they owned tons of land and were always having a secure rice bowl.
Others who were poor didnt have means to study.

Now trends are changing and everyone values education.
So you would see many capable of anything.

Coming to grasping spiritual truth, that too actually does not need "higher thinking".
In fact thinking itself is a major hindrance..its unlearning which enables us to perceive the revelations which flashes to us.

We mistake Rishis to be scientist that analysed everything related to spirituality.
Rishis were scientists in science no doubt but in grasping Reality, they knew they had to delete all browsing data of knowledge in their mind, clear the cache and be in a state of Being, a mind sans waves of knowledge..only then Jnaana is revealed.

There is a difference between knowledge and jnaana.
Jnaana is not knowledge.
Jnaana is revelations that is revealed to those who have mastered the art of unlearning.

Even Bhagawan Ramana Maharishi had mentioned that unlearning leads to realization.
 

renuka

Gold Member
Gold Member
Non indian like i aslo know whom he mentioning . By the way the another title is Amma.

Non indian like i aslo know whom he mentioning . By the way the another title is Amma
Ok..thanks for info.
Its clear now that its Jayalalitha.

Thanks for the information.
It would have been easier if everyone had used Jayalalitha.

Being a non indian citizen as in not born in India, I am not much into Indian politics.
In fact I am not into politics at all and even in my own country I have never voted in elections.
 
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