Why South Indian Brahmins are intelligent?

[Visalakshi Ramani]

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SAYS WHO THAT.....
We can pat our own back !
We can equate Success to Intelligence?
We can measure a person's Intelligence by his Bank Balance?

 

[renuka]

Really???

How about Komalavalli?

Who is Komalavalli?

 

[cm124534]

Renukaji, Agree with your above post except this statement. Many Brahmins and same goes true for other communities , who have got their brain rigged by the sanghis, do not follow any ethics. They indulge in unethical practices in businesses and corporates and govt as their mind no longer has the ability to discern any karma or right vs wrong. They are driven purely by emotions of hatred and anger.

Most of the people who are mind rigged don't even know it is a sanghi project designed to fill the minds with hatred against Muslims. This is exactly similar to how the taliban mind rigs its fighters, whose minds a re filled with hatred and anger. The only job is,to spew hatred and attack Muslims and Christians.

That's why, how much ever you argue with them that killing an innocent 21 yr old tabrez is morally, ethically and karmically wrong, it does not change their mind. For them, all these are collateral damages, in their war to teach a lesson to muslims for what happened during Ghazni war and Mughal rule. Rediculous but unfortunately true.

That's what this mind rigging does...removes karma, removes right vs wrong, removes compassion, removes forgiveness, removes human values. You cannot make out when you talk to them normally, but strongly disagree with them no their views, you will see the vicious hatred, anger and vengeance. Like we see in this very forum.

Renukaji, Agree with your above post except this statement. Many Brahmins and same goes true for other communities , who have got their brain rigged by the sanghis, do not follow any ethics. They indulge in unethical practices in businesses and corporates and govt as their mind no longer has the ability to discern any karma or right vs wrong. They are driven purely by emotions of hatred and anger.

Most of the people who are mind rigged don't even know it is a sanghi project designed to fill the minds with hatred against Muslims. This is exactly similar to how the taliban mind rigs its fighters, whose minds a re filled with hatred and anger. The only job is,to spew hatred and attack Muslims and Christians.

That's why, how much ever you argue with them that killing an innocent 21 yr old tabrez is morally, ethically and karmically wrong, it does not change their mind. For them, all these are collateral damages, in their war to teach a lesson to muslims for what happened during Ghazni war and Mughal rule. Rediculous but unfortunately true.

That's what this mind rigging does...removes karma, removes right vs wrong, removes compassion, removes forgiveness, removes human values. You cannot make out when you talk to them normally, but strongly disagree with them no their views, you will see the vicious hatred, anger and vengeance. Like we see in this very forum.

Are you aware that most 'sanghis' in tamilnadu are nadar, vanniyar, konar, and goundar?? i.e., the exact same group that helped keep chettiar-mudaliar-pillai (Dravidian) politics and it's hate alive.

Nadars' growth would've been impossible without Dravidian movt and Periyar. Kamaraj's title of "kalvi thanthai" rests on a lie.

For the last 40+ years, a konar has been the head of the Dravidar Kazhagam.

Dravida Mudaliar Kazhagam was started by mudaliar/Chettiar/balija naidu, but they too didn't have numerical strength. Vanniyars provided the numbers. Vanniyars and nadars had been in Congress after Rajaji's forced resignation. Then, after Anna died, in 1969, they used periyars help to oust the mudaliar leadership of DMK and usurp it using their man, Karunanidhi.

Goundars have provided critical leadership to DK and DMK and goundar became BC from FC in Karunanidhi's rule in 1975.

Nothing could be more criminal than vanniyar/nadar/konar/goundar et al opposing Dravidian movt and Periyar today. These were the groups that kept the Dravidian movt, and it's hate alive. Yet, these are the 'sanghis' of TN. Whatever they do, their brethren and masters in nagarathar-vellalar (Dravidian) movement will blame sanghi-> rss-> hindutva-> parpanan(eeyam). In fact, no tamil has moral right to oppose Dravidian movt because all Tamils were involved. That hate lives a hundred years because all tamils approved of it.

Pls don't blame 'sanghis'. You know who most of the 'sanghis' in TN are.

You talk politcs, I talk politcs. Just because you can come to our forum and talk shit about us (and we put up with it and engage you) doesn't mean we don't know who you are.

We may not all be as smart as Dr. Renuka, but we are smart enough to know what has been happening in TN, and who and what kind of people Tamils are

 

[Mani_Chennai]

The whole is missed in these discussions. Here are the reasons based on my encounter with over 300 IIT students, Professors and scholars:

1. They use “inductive reasoning”- Form a mental hypothesis(or in mathematical term conjecture) and come to a theory. For example, historically Brahmins in general grew in poverty and accepted it as the fate. Thus, whatever they got, they felt it is God given and learned to live in poverty. The original Brahmins culture demanded poverty yet teaching to others- beg in just five houses and eat what you get or starve, but your duty is to teach others. Old gurukulas made all students – from all caste to learn like that and the teacher was given sharamdan and whatever the rich and parents paid at the end. So, accepting – janani janma sawkyanaam, vardhani kula sambadaam, pathavi purva punynam , likyade janma patrika- the mother live happily for her life time, she is the agumeter of the family, one's job is based on good deeds in a previous birth, thus this horoscope is written. Those who could not teach became cooks, pujaris, vaidikis and so on. This poverty embracing quality is running in these families for the generations. This does not mean, they don't like wealth etc., but just accept what is given. So, later, in general, they did not accept bribe.

2. Inductive reasoning is the key for independent thinking. All discoveries are based on inductive reasoning. There must be a root, from which branches emerge which contain leaves and they look to sun, water and air to survive. Brahmins who are liberated and moved out of old school, now see their subdued inductive curiosity sprout as the environment is appropriate. Thus, moving from the South they blossom and are appreciated. CV Raman, Ramanujan, Kanade, Baskaracharya, Sankara, Arya Bhatta, Chanakya... are all in the USA (very few in Europe) because USA does not condemn failure and encourages success by repeated effort.
3. Since education is given high priority, historically IAS, IFS,IPS were the target of Brahmins followed by Law, Medicine and civil service during British time. Since Brahmins had learned at least three languages – Tamil, Sanskrit, English their diction, oratory and free thinking flourished in about 40-50% of Brahmins. Others still were in hotels as cooks, purajirs, Vaidigas. Polymath- many languages and many skill sets made them proud and in general while being benevolent did not go after money, rather went after name and fame. But always feared God,thus were more socially active benevolent ones. Temple entry was done by Brahmins!.

4. While the 7 risheis were not all Brahmins, but by their dedication to dharma- justice and rule of law, they created the Brahminical section devoted to learning and teaching. Any one who chooses that path is a Brahmins such as, Viswamitra. Many saints and almost all Gods are nonBrahmin Kshatriya Rama, Yadava Krishanaand so on, which did not bother Brahmins as they accepted them savior Gods. Brahmins also accepted local deities when they moved form the North- thus the Dravidian Gods : Murugan et al, Kali and devadas for each Tamil nomenclature of the land – Mountain, Forest, Agriculture, Sea and Desert were accepted. All Brahmins saints accepted them and also worshiped nonBrahmin Nayanmars and Alwars etc.

Only a limited selfish Brahmins who behaved as businessmen were the exemption.

Thus, the genetics of Brahmins in South India is carried over today and in isolation they appear to be intelligent. Others too are intelligent but percentage wise less.

5. Chanting mantras, slokas etc., the memory power to retain and recall – brain power

is retained. Thus, to get away from sorrow, they resort to Puja, Dyana etc., which are in Sanskrit. Many many not understand the meaning, but deeply believe in their effects and gain peace of mind. Thus, in general, the mental health of Brahmin is high. Instead of fighting they move away and expect God will punish the wrong doer.

Even if some one in their family marry outside caste, they don't go and kill them which is encouraged in other castes.

If we design proper sociological. Psychological and intellectual questionnaire and take a honest survey, we will know more but no Brahmins would like waste their time in this research. Brahmins in general, love Tamil more than others. They speak it in the USA now! with clear l, lh and lzha.

 

[GNANA SUNYAM]

Who is Komalavalli?

purchi thalaivi

 

[renuka]

purchi thalaivi

No idea who you are talking about.

 

[vrajagopalan57]

Excellent my friend."TAMIZHEN ENDRU SOLLADA THALAI NIMIRNDHU NILLADA'.

EXCELLENT SWAMIN .DASAN ADIYEN. SATYA MEVA JAYATHEY.

 

[vrajagopalan57]

Excellent my friend."TAMIZHEN ENDRU SOLLADA THALAI NIMIRNDHU NILLADA'.

EXCELLENT SWAMIN .DASAN ADIYEN. SATYA MEVA JAYATHEY.

🌷ओम् नमो नारायणाय!🌷🙏

 

[vrajagopalan57]

Excellent my friend."TAMIZHEN ENDRU SOLLADA THALAI NIMIRNDHU NILLADA'.

EXCELLENT SWAMIN .DASAN ADIYEN. SATYA MEVA JAYATHEY.

ओम् नमो नारायणाय! बहव: धन्यवादा:।🙏

 

[Suresh ente sure]

No idea who you are talking about.

Non indian like i aslo know whom he mentioning . By the way the another title is Amma

 

[sravna]

Intelligence is of different types. Brahmins excel in higher thinking both because of their genes and tradition. While westerners are gifted in creativity and far East people with analytical thinking.

Higher thinking skills are the least appreciated and applied but are powerful enough to be used to create the results of analytical and creative thinking. That's the reason Brahmins shine in research and academia and other areas requiring thinking skills in spite of their special higher thinking skills not being required.

The grasp of spiritual truths as in the Vedas and other scriptures exemplify the application of higher thinking skills. The knowledge creation systems of today have no place for them where experimentation and physical evidence rule in the acquisition of knowledge.

If the true intelligence of Brahmins is to be appreciated then something tangible, physical and of practical utility needs to emerge out of it. Till then the superlative works of higher thinking and the real skills of Brahmins will remain unnoticed.

 

[Mani_Chennai]

Really???

How about Komalavalli?

What a sad way to think! When any quality is stated, it is based on high statistical index based and not to find the 5% exception such as Komalavalli? When her sari was pulled, did any Brahmin rush to help her. Also, this type of argument is supporting one's own prejudices. The question should be, is this a significant trait or not. There was a Harijan nandanar who was admitted directly into Chidabram but why not one of the Dhishitars? Does this mean, every one is Nandanar in his clan? Personal likes and dislikes here should be avoided in general discussion in the forum, otherwise only "yes" men will be forum members. Sorry, I should not have provoked "Yes" group, but not to express is also a sin. After all Hinduism allowed both Baktha and Nastika whom GOD does not discriminate (as told to us by our elders and literature).

 

[prasad1]

What a sad way to think! When any quality is stated, it is based on high statistical index based and not to find the 5% exception such as Komalavalli? When her sari was pulled, did any Brahmin rush to help her. Also, this type of argument is supporting one's own prejudices. The question should be, is this a significant trait or not. There was a Harijan nandanar who was admitted directly into Chidabram but why not one of the Dhishitars? Does this mean, every one is Nandanar in his clan? Personal likes and dislikes here should be avoided in general discussion in the forum, otherwise only "yes" men will be forum members. Sorry, I should not have provoked "Yes" group, but not to express is also a sin. After all Hinduism allowed both Baktha and Nastika whom GOD does not discriminate (as told to us by our elders and literature).

I agree with you. But there are no groups here. I am an equal opportunity (offender) presenter of my opinions. I expect to be challenged by others as long as they are civil discourses.
This is the beauty of this forum.
I read most of the posts in certain sections, I avoid some others. If I like a post I do click the "Like" button.

 

[renuka]

Intelligence is of different types. Brahmins excel in higher thinking both because of their genes and tradition. While westerners are gifted in creativity and far East people with analytical thinking.

Higher thinking skills are the least appreciated and applied but are powerful enough to be used to create the results of analytical and creative thinking. That's the reason Brahmins shine in research and academia and other areas requiring thinking skills in spite of their special higher thinking skills not being required.

The grasp of spiritual truths as in the Vedas and other scriptures exemplify the application of higher thinking skills. The knowledge creation systems of today have no place for them where experimentation and physical evidence rule in the acquisition of knowledge.

If the true intelligence of Brahmins is to be appreciated then something tangible, physical and of practical utility needs to emerge out of it. Till then the superlative works of higher thinking and the real skills of Brahmins will remain unnoticed.

Dear Sravna,
As much as your post is fine, I do not think " higher thinking" is limited to any one specific community.

A lot of Brazilian doctors are pioneers in many new surgical procedures.
Even the Surgery for Tetralogy of Fallot, the pioneer was not even a doctor but an African American janitor who just knew what should be done and he also got imput from dreams..he finally became a doctor but the sugery he pioneered was when he was a janitor.

You have to understand, Brahmins are intellectually oriented as that is their rice bowl and its also because the community enviroment views intelligence as a chudamani and lack of intelligence is worse than poverty.
Other communities in the past didnt value education because they owned tons of land and were always having a secure rice bowl.
Others who were poor didnt have means to study.

Now trends are changing and everyone values education.
So you would see many capable of anything.

Coming to grasping spiritual truth, that too actually does not need "higher thinking".
In fact thinking itself is a major hindrance..its unlearning which enables us to perceive the revelations which flashes to us.

We mistake Rishis to be scientist that analysed everything related to spirituality.
Rishis were scientists in science no doubt but in grasping Reality, they knew they had to delete all browsing data of knowledge in their mind, clear the cache and be in a state of Being, a mind sans waves of knowledge..only then Jnaana is revealed.

There is a difference between knowledge and jnaana.
Jnaana is not knowledge.
Jnaana is revelations that is revealed to those who have mastered the art of unlearning.

Even Bhagawan Ramana Maharishi had mentioned that unlearning leads to realization.

 

[renuka]

Non indian like i aslo know whom he mentioning . By the way the another title is Amma.

Non indian like i aslo know whom he mentioning . By the way the another title is Amma

Ok..thanks for info.
Its clear now that its Jayalalitha.

Thanks for the information.
It would have been easier if everyone had used Jayalalitha.

Being a non indian citizen as in not born in India, I am not much into Indian politics.
In fact I am not into politics at all and even in my own country I have never voted in elections.

 

[krish44]

Every Tamil brahmin take pride on high educational qualifications and ability to perform in high paying jobs in MNC.
Most brahmins would like to be advisers or consultants with stable income .Not many would like to set up or own companies. They are averse to take risks for professional growth
They can only be number two in company .
Similarly Tamils take pride in tamil culture whatever it might mean to them.
TB are no different from other communities or castes.No reason to feel superior or inferior.
They need to accept the new realities where intermediate castes have become theruling class and they have to go to other states and countries for better living

 

[krish44]

All is not lost yet.
In states like uttara khand brhmins are very high numbers.and their votes matter.
In UP all political parties BSP Samajwadi party and congress all fight for brahmin vote bank and advisers.
In fact no political party can come to power in UP or centre without brahmin vote in UP.
TBs have lost the game in TN due to telegus posing as dravidians and calling brahmins as Aryans from outside the state.
Unfotunately brahmins in TN are not a militant class.
In north in UP there is even a brahmin dacoit using gun.who was killed in encounter.lol
No poltical party can ignorr the brahmin class as in villages they are the opinion makers .Their marginal vote decides who will rule UP.
TB s haveno leaders who can mobilise them and get them political power.
They can fight for reservation in jobs in TN and make their votes count.b
Running away from state is no solution.

 

[Mannai_Murali]

I do NOT want to discuss whether Brahmins are brilliant or not.But ALL super rich are THIEVES!.Many are legal thieves.This is applicable in US also.Einstein was never rich!Bill Gate is rich.

 

[Mani_Chennai]

Every Tamil brahmin take pride on high educational qualifications and ability to perform in high paying jobs in MNC.
Most brahmins would like to be advisers or consultants with stable income .Not many would like to set up or own companies. They are averse to take risks for professional growth
They can only be number two in company .
Similarly Tamils take pride in tamil culture whatever it might mean to them.
TB are no different from other communities or castes.No reason to feel superior or inferior.
They need to accept the new realities where intermediate castes have become theruling class and they have to go to other states and countries for better living

Business and risk taking takes place over a long time. If you look at the history of Brahmins liberated , it is less than 100 years. Also, trying to be happy over spending all time to earn money , die leaving a pile of money - family coffer for future generation for bootstrapping takes time to mature. Also, one should learn the art of bribing without getting caught. I knew one person(he died a few years back) told me what should be done to cheat Income and Sales tax people. So, those who are starting business are learning those skills and in a few years they will amaze money and power. That is not good for the society. That instead of sharing knowledge an uplifting the whole society it goes to their own dynasty. Look (if we believe in story) a Brahmins Paramour, to avenge a few killed several generations of Kshatriyas, which Kshatriyas doing to others. Brahman Gods, Brahmins Kings ( a few in the North) in general will not be good.


One Brahman in Pallava time became the Army chief and killed the entire population including Brahmin, women, animals etc., So, if you give power to highly educated or intelligent people, it will destroy the Brahman community entirely in the future - just like Parasurama did to Kshatriyas. Brahmins are now becoming scientists and Professors in the West and creating knowledge wealth which will benefit the whole world. They will not become poor again. Chanakiyas are now born in the West through migrated Brahmins. Just visit San Jose in California with temples and Tamail Barhmin ladies wearing Kanchivaram Saries walking without any fear from any illiterate Dravidan goons. A very long time Sir CP Ramaswamy Iyer said, I will take all Brahmins to Brazil, but now Brahmins are migrating to USA on their own merits. Carnatic Music, Tamil, Sanskrit, Vedas are slowly taking root there.

 

[Mani_Chennai]

Jai Sri Ram
OMG! From the questions and answers, remarks and comments, it’s very clear that all are very clear of their own convictions and have tremendous skill to defend their points. This is actually called as “Intelligence”-ability to transform acquired knowledge in time and justify an action or reaction. Can I call it as debate-skill? What’s shrewdness than? It’s also a part of Intelligence. What’s cunningness? Can I include this also a survival strategy in a competitive materialistic world. If, yes, than these skills of intelligence are needed for becoming so called “rich” and to run or lead one to the listed tops of “Business-riches”. I am convinced (may not be able to convince others) that intelligent need not be an intellectual. To my limited knowledge after reading, practicing great Veda and Upanishadam, our Acharyas (unfortunately Brahmins and Brahminism are misused and mis-interpreted - an evolved culture, essentially not of any clan, else there won’t be Valmiki or many Aazwars or Viswamithra) always said intelligent one can become any time but difficult to become an intellectual and that too spiritually evolved intellectual, who never bothers to acquire more than needed wealth or materialistic things but bother for the overall healthy harmonious living of human being and other creations (no killing of moving life, else immediately some one say DrJC Bose proved plants have life) of nature/god. The one who practice these concepts or learn or preach with dharma is called “Brahmin” and the concept is called broadly “Brahminism”. So anyone can become a Sri Vaishnava-as Sri Ramanujacharya preached and practiced way back 1000AD it self. If so, how a true Brahmin or who try to follow (generation after generation, may be called as ritualism) can be in the so-called “Materialistic Rich” list? Why he should be? If one believes in supreme almighty than Veda says “One should evolve as a human from an ignorant to knowledgeable to intelligent to intellectual and finally enlightened” and try to get salvation from this vicious cycle of life and death, flesh & blood, etc. Therefore, to conclude, in my opinion, no creation (any life) on this earth is inferior or superior to any co-existing species and mere ignorance (as stated above by me) makes one to to live in the world of illusion called “Maya”. All creations are equally good (I won’t say equally bad) and beautiful. Let us have the real eyes with true wisdom to see the beauty and enjoy life with harmony, in the name of Lord Narayana or any god one believe. Have trust on him, he will show the true path of salvation. May god bless all. V.Rajagopalan Iyengar, Bangalore (Australia)- Retd. Nuclear Scientist, Govt. of India.
NB: Please excuse me for any stressed word or expression.

Without offense, “ V.Rajagopalan Iyengar, Bangalore (Australia)- Retd. Nuclear Scientist, Govt. of India” in your observation, what is the purpose? Is it: very clear of their own convictions and have tremendous skill to defend their points. This is actually called as “Intelligence”-ability to transform acquired knowledge in time and justify an action or reaction. Can I call it as debate-skill? What’s shrewdness than? It’s also a part of Intelligence. What’s cunningness? .I don't thinks so. This last statement you have added is not for ego satisfication or to claim authority. That is habit of being a retired Govt. Employee. Thus, when we share in a forum, it is to see if we have understood the true meaning of what was taught to us. Historical events when written, do not say “what did they actually mean”. If they have done, why Shankara, Ramanaujam Buddha and others have write treaties and Bhashayas on well knwon(?) or well understood facts on “GOD or Atma or Rituals”? The meaning got lost along the line.

A recent discovery in Iraque (Old Mesopotamia) a document on Kuron has notes on the side which says” Friday Namas is not necessary and required, but one can feel free to do it if necessary”. But all the Kuron books had already been published and this note never got into updated version. So, if we take the Brahman population based on age groups to day – less than 20 years old, 20 to 40 years old , 40-60 years old, 60+ do we have the same understanding of what is being a Brahman? When we debate here based on our age group, we see the rest not understanding our Brahminical values. So, the forum is flushing out ideas and suggestions to come out simple, yet realistic to follow within the given current socio-politico-econmic situations with most migrating to West. If we all agree on the same thing and pretend we understand them, then discussions are useless.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,
As much as your post is fine, I do not think " higher thinking" is limited to any one specific community.

A lot of Brazilian doctors are pioneers in many new surgical procedures.
Even the Surgery for Tetralogy of Fallot, the pioneer was not even a doctor but an African American janitor who just knew what should be done and he also got imput from dreams..he finally became a doctor but the sugery he pioneered was when he was a janitor.

You have to understand, Brahmins are intellectually oriented as that is their rice bowl and its also because the community enviroment views intelligence as a chudamani and lack of intelligence is worse than poverty.
Other communities in the past didnt value education because they owned tons of land and were always having a secure rice bowl.
Others who were poor didnt have means to study.

Now trends are changing and everyone values education.
So you would see many capable of anything.

Coming to grasping spiritual truth, that too actually does not need "higher thinking".
In fact thinking itself is a major hindrance..its unlearning which enables us to perceive the revelations which flashes to us.

We mistake Rishis to be scientist that analysed everything related to spirituality.
Rishis were scientists in science no doubt but in grasping Reality, they knew they had to delete all browsing data of knowledge in their mind, clear the cache and be in a state of Being, a mind sans waves of knowledge..only then Jnaana is revealed.

There is a difference between knowledge and jnaana.
Jnaana is not knowledge.
Jnaana is revelations that is revealed to those who have mastered the art of unlearning.

Even Bhagawan Ramana Maharishi had mentioned that unlearning leads to realization.

Dear Renuka,

Yes you are correct. Brahmins focus on education played a great role for them being in the forefront of knowledge acquisition. As you say this is changing now.

I would like to make one thing clear. Inspite of using the word "higher" as in higher thinking I do not imply it is superior to other types of thinking. Creative and analytical thinking all play pivotal roles too in knowledge acquisition and are equally precious.

I am only saying as there are different types of people there are different types of thinking. All lead ultimately to the same truths because truths are the same.

What do you think?

Dear Sravna,
As much as your post is fine, I do not think " higher thinking" is limited to any one specific community.

A lot of Brazilian doctors are pioneers in many new surgical procedures.
Even the Surgery for Tetralogy of Fallot, the pioneer was not even a doctor but an African American janitor who just knew what should be done and he also got imput from dreams..he finally became a doctor but the sugery he pioneered was when he was a janitor.

You have to understand, Brahmins are intellectually oriented as that is their rice bowl and its also because the community enviroment views intelligence as a chudamani and lack of intelligence is worse than poverty.
Other communities in the past didnt value education because they owned tons of land and were always having a secure rice bowl.
Others who were poor didnt have means to study.

Now trends are changing and everyone values education.
So you would see many capable of anything.

Coming to grasping spiritual truth, that too actually does not need "higher thinking".
In fact thinking itself is a major hindrance..its unlearning which enables us to perceive the revelations which flashes to us.

We mistake Rishis to be scientist that analysed everything related to spirituality.
Rishis were scientists in science no doubt but in grasping Reality, they knew they had to delete all browsing data of knowledge in their mind, clear the cache and be in a state of Being, a mind sans waves of knowledge..only then Jnaana is revealed.

There is a difference between knowledge and jnaana.
Jnaana is not knowledge.
Jnaana is revelations that is revealed to those who have mastered the art of unlearning.

Even Bhagawan Ramana Maharishi had mentioned that unlearning leads to realization.

 

[sravna]

Another pertinent point I would like to make is that it is the scientists who dismiss summarily other types of thinking. Experimental study and providing physical evidence are paramount to them and is the only right way of acquiring knowledge.

I think they will not go beyond a point and find themselves cornered in contradictions if they stick to their current philosophy of accepting only physical evidence. They will soon understand that there is existence beyond physical and they have to come to grips with it and proceed accordingly.

The spiritual people have by and large given credence to other source of knowledge than only by direct perception. It is only the other side that remains adamant.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

Yes you are correct. Brahmins focus on education played a great role for them being in the forefront of knowledge acquisition. As you say this is changing now.

I would like to make one thing clear. Inspite of using the word "higher" as in higher thinking I do not imply it is superior to other types of thinking. Creative and analytical thinking all play pivotal roles too in knowledge acquisition and are equally precious.

I am only saying as there are different types of people there are different types of thinking. All lead ultimately to the same truths because truths are the same.

What do you think?

Dear Sravna,
There are different modes of thinking no doubt but its not fixed..it changes and as the saying goes " Change is the only constant"

20 years ago surely I was different in my mode of thinking...I used to think intellect is the prized gem of a human.

Now I realized the intellect only collects data, it can hijack the ahamkara and ahamkara identifies with the accomplishment of the intellect.

Now I understand that the Ahamkara is not the enemy,..its striving hard to identify with the Divine and to be an instrument of the Divine but the Intellect( Buddhi) keeps hijacking it.

Only when the Intellect is in a state of surrender, one can see that the Ahamkara identifies with the Divine and becomes the instrument.

The Aham here is no more me or you but the actual AHAM( I as in Divinity).

All these was not known to me back then.
So didnt my mode of thinking change?

The mind can go either way anytime..it can " uplift" itself or " degrade" itself at any time as in the verse from the Gita below..

uddhared atmanatmanam natmanam avasadayet
atmaiva hyatmano bandhur atmaiva ripur atmanah​

Translation​

BG 6.5: Elevate yourself through the power of your mind, and not degrade yourself, for the mind can be the friend and also the enemy of the self.


So Sravna, different modes of thinking wont be permenant, it will change..even criminals have transformed.

Vaagmi Gene theory also wont hold good once the intellect surrenders because once a person becomes an instrument instead of doer, everything from education to intelligence to genes is totally by passed.
Gene theories only have some effect when one is still very much ruled by the intellect.
Once one surrenders,the intellect experiences jnaana as in experience and direct perception, hence Anubhavam Eva Shastram( Experience is verily Shastras)
The intellect which has direct perception would know different dimensions to relevant fields and one wont claim the doer ship of that and will realize its not their original thought either.

So how can I say that there are different thinking?
Its Yes and No in the sense that there can be difference in a given time and place but No as in its in a state of constant change.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

I understand the gist of your post that every thing finally evolves to be the same. But changes in thinking won't happen fast and differences exist in the physical universe with a purpose. That purpose is exactly to learn from one another and reach a unified state.

So till differences exist which will be for a long time we have to learn to coexist. Emphasis on how in essence there is equality of all people has to be made.

What you see is the goal but the process will take its course till then.

Given each one's limitation as a human there would be no learning if there are no differences.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

I understand the gist of your post that every thing finally evolves to be the same. But changes in thinking won't happen fast and differences exist in the physical universe with a purpose. That purpose is exactly to learn from one another and reach a unified state.

So till differences exist which will be for a long time we have to learn to coexist. Emphasis on how in essence there is equality of all people has to be made.

What you see is the goal but the process will take its course till then.

Given each one's limitation as a human there would be no learning if there are no differences.

Dear Sravna,
Change in thinking for some can even be instant and for some others years.
We should not measure change in the time matrix.

Did you see the Olympics?
A runner from China ran in the 100meter finals..though he didnt win but he became the first Asian male to run in a 100 meter finals which is usually dominated by those of African and Jamaican ancestory.

When he ran in the finals the tabloid carried the headlines that " Gene theory is challenged"

No doubt his coach was an African American but still gene theory did not hold as good.

Did you see some African Americans star runners who didnt win the gold as expected?
Most of them were having mental health issues and could not give the best as before.

Again why? Cos of environmental factors.
Atheletes from many countries were more into uploading pics on Instagram and got distracted.

So you see no one human is specialized ..they become specialized.
Also we have been calling intelligence as only cerebral intelligence.

There are many types of intelligence.
Intelligence finally is a skill.
The word Acharya means one who imparts a skill.

So skill can range from cerebral to non cerebral intelligence.

We make a big blunder by limiting intelligence to the brain and intellect.
Our entire body has its specialized intelligence.
Cardiac cells, renal cells differ in function yet have their inherent intelligence encoded as bio memory.

I have stopped calling " non living "things as inanimate and inert as even a stone has universal consciousness pervading it.

What if we are not aware of network of perception in a stone?
There is so much we dont know..so for me everything is pulsating with consciousness and quantum potential of intelligence..its either you make it work for you or you make it work againsts you.