Sesh!
You are one person I found with quite a character, so the Vedal is on your back again .... if you don't reply your head.....(joking)
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History (his+story?) as we all know is not perfect or accurate as regards our scriptures. There are a lot of differing views from time immemorial, which again, maybe the sole reason for us "hindus" to remain disparate all along the centuries?
First you should read my postings on the other headings just do a google search on Puranas within this forum - you'll find it.
If that change your perspective about Puranas a little bit. Please write to me. (just a little bit... )
Is the jati system real? How can we be convinced that the same God created unequal status in a species? Hard to believe!
No - unequal is the complex - Bhranti Gnanam - wrong preception. Any management - you need to allocate labour one has to do marketing , one should see the production floor, one human resource, one should do manual labour etc.. all are important for the organisation.
Mangement means - people , power and procedure.. Ignoring this you cannot manage anything.
Here Bhagwan managment is like that - the aim is "CHITTA SHUDDI" and Hitam for ALL. Here there is no room for our likes and dislikes. It is like giving your head to a company - your likes and dislike should be tempered or compromised if you want the job. Your are in UAE , if you want to live in India - impossible. You have to compromise - your likes and dislikes have no place. Similarly, for HITAM to all LORD give the orders - do this and don't do this for the HITAM of all - the body of knowledge is called VEDA- Effortless manifestation of Brahmam or the Intellegence that presupposes this creation. Vedas are the breathe of Bhagwan.
That's why VEDAS,in particular the Karma Kanda is called , Prabhu Samhita or Dharma Samhita. Here, Human endeavour alone is required - Like the same way you work in any company - Preyarthanam only is the need and nothing else you will get the salary at the end of the month. Ashikarithvam or Who can do what are given as Instructions, birth is one among the list enabling the adhikaritvam.
There is another KANDA - called Gnana Kanda or Veda Antam - here with the intelligence given we are encouraged to enquire on three principles - Jeeva,Jagat and Inshvara Vicharam. For this Adhikaritvam, is not based on birth - any person having keen interest can study - but for successful completion it is necessary he should receive it appropriately through a parampara which is linked to Bhagavat Padal , Santh Kumaras and ultimately to LORD himself. He should also cultivate 4 gunas explained in Sadhana Chatushtaya Sampathi. Discrimnation is one among them - Discrimination means VIVEKA . ( I don't understand why such a beautiful word is taboo to many)
As times change, we see several practices being obsolete and not fitting in with the scheme of things. There may be many reasons, but it is the fact. So, the other line of reasoning, as opposed to the traditional, is also justified in its own right.
Now Bhagwan has also endowed humans with intelligence, wherever intelligence is more the freedom to act is also more. So you can choose to follow the order, not to follow or to follow as some say 20% of it - It is all your choice. But be prepared to face the result. Shoulder Responsibility.
If a debate is to be truly done, then it can be only with the authentic reference of our scriptures - is it possible? Net based references are questionable (again, does not mean that everything is a sham). So may of the net based literature is a result of western translation and perception and hence may be distorted. To have a final judgement based on this may not be the right approach. There are many scholars who do not contribute to this forum (or on the net), but are convinced of the traditional methods (including the jati system), and whose views would concur with that of malgova. So, it would be naive to rebuke his line of thoughts.
Well Said - But you see, the abuse of Jati system is a way too much, no sensible human can tolerate this - In this sense, I can understand what, Nacchi, KRS, Kunjuppu, Hari, HH mdm going thru. I mean basic dignity of other human is abused. We have to pay for that - No denying on that.
But those people should not be completely taken away by emotions alone - they also should try to see the bigger picture. My deep and humbe request to them.
We all should try to cure the disease , please spare the life - don't take away the life.
Oh you sensitive peoples - could you also see the positive side of Jati system .... My request.
Will the Pope agree that there are other gods apart from jesus? If he does not, can it be construed that he is parochial in his thinking and hence is outdated? No, I dont think that the christian community would come to such a conclusion. So, I believe that malgova is right in what he says. And hence his undeniable faith on the varna-system. Agreed that this may not go well in the current times, but I believe that it is an explanation which he owes.
But to counter conversion, we have to have a stance, and that would arise only out of pure belief in our scriptures... The earlier "Yugas" were different and hence cannot be compared to with the present times. Extrapolation of logic (which is based on our current view of things) may not be correct. The absence of scientific evidence or "fossils" does not disprove anything.
Beautifully said....
So, my take on this would be to believe in our scriptures while adapting to the changing times... For belief gives rise to conviction and conviction gives rise to passion, courage and confidence. This is what we need. Not discarding that portion of scriptures that we deem unnecessary for our concept of "unity". It has to be from within and not by negating the views of our ancestors.
Well said....
The real point of questioning is when (or where) all religions dissolve... but am afraid that our society is not in that stage yet.
Well I'm only concerned about my country. Well as Nachhi said that we live among Christians, Muslims etc... So too they .. They are Living amongst us the native peoples - they should realise that first.
What I'm asking the followers of other religion is DON'T CONVERT vulnerable peoples because all are linked and it creates a lot of disharmony.
Moreover , if they want to convert - then they should hold a debate on their theologies - if they win then let them convert. if they lose then there people should return to native cultures.
We negate THEIR CONCEPT OF GOD, BEATITUDE OR SWARGA PRAPTI, IN FACT ANY OTHER THEOLOGY THEIR DOCTRINE TALKS NOTHING IS OF ANY SUBSTANCE. Are they ready for the Challenge?
Conflict of opinions is inevitable, but it should be presented in a manner that intends to convey the intent without maligning the other.
There is a background for this - please read the posts as Nachhi points, then you will understand. Sometimes you got to look vulnerable then only you could see some reply.
Regards,
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