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Virginity in India

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More and more non vegetarians are turning not just into vegetarians but pure VEGANS!

I am amazed to read how the courting animals and birds make sure that they pick up the right partners. Many of them remain monogamous for life.

Many others have subtle ways of making sure that no other male can touch its female - even sacrificing its own life and vital organs in this task! :shocked:
Nature's natural chastity belt!

Some of the females ovulate ONLY after watching the song and dance routine of the males of the same species - so that wrong union does not take place.

And every animal except man mates only in the right season...not every day... no morning, noon and night shows!!!

It is true that "The more one gets the more one wants". :tsk:

Dear Visa Ji,

But if we tell a person do not indulge in pre marital sex thats being judgemental on their personal choice of lifestyle.
What is right for one is wrong for another and vice versa.
Its like advising a Non Veg person to become Veg and a Veg person to become Non Veg..dont you think so?
 
Dear Ravi,

There is no law that makes it compulsory for a girl or guy to disclose their past history to their spouses becos when all those per marital stuff happened the spouse was not yet in the picture.
Therefore it does not account to "cheating" anyone here.

No one is under oath to reveal all past history to anyone..its not as if we have to make a statutory declaration and state that this is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Do we keep a record and tell our spouses of all the food and dishes we ate through out our life? No isnt it?
So just let all those pre marital stuff be like side dishes and forget about it and concentrate on the main dish now..thats our present spouse.

Namaskar Renukaji,

You are reasonable in saying that it does not account for cheating anyone if all the premarital stuff happens before the spouse is in the picture. Many live for the present, because the future is not guaranteed.

But at the same time, you must admit-- there is something special about saving the first time for your future spouse. I realize that virginity is easy to lie about, but if you yourself are a virgin, there is nothing wrong in expecting your future spouse to be the same.

- Srinath

 
Namaskar Renukaji,

You are reasonable in saying that it does not account for cheating anyone if all the premarital stuff happens before the spouse is in the picture. Many live for the present, because the future is not guaranteed.

But at the same time, you must admit-- there is something special about saving the first time for your future spouse. I realize that virginity is easy to lie about, but if you yourself are a virgin, there is nothing wrong in expecting your future spouse to be the same.

- Srinath


Dear Srinath,

Fair enough if a virgin desires a virgin.
 
Hi Renuka
It is a moral dilemma, when you give advice on sex education, before marriage. Doesn’t this encourage premarital sex? By not disclosing your past activities to your spouse, could come back to haunt you.
Surely there may have been a dish that you really enjoyed, you would remember for a long time, and want to tell someone about it. Worse try it again. (LOL)
 
Exactly TBS garu,

Baaga cheptaaru! How many so called virgin guys also have lost their virginity many many many times through fantasies and other physical acts! These have lost their virginity mentally/emotionally years ago! But all that doesn't count. They will still talk as if they are pure guys. What a joke!
 
There is no law that makes it compulsory for a girl or guy to disclose their past history to their spouses becos when all those per marital stuff happened the spouse was not yet in the picture.
Therefore it does not account to "cheating" anyone here.

Renu's word is so true.
There is a time to be frank and open. If you need to disclose every incident from your past under oath, please do so otherwise what is the need.
The trust is going forward not backwards.

satyaM brUyAt priyaM brUyAt na brUyAt satyam-apriyaM /
priyaM ca nAnRtaM brUyAt esha dharmas-sanAtanaH //
Speak what is true, speak what is pleasant;
Speak not what is true but unpleasant;
Nor what is pleasant but not true;
This is the tradition of dharma
 
Is viriginity in india, different from virginity outside of it? I would imagine it not – it is the same physical concept re unruptured hymen for women and ‘god knows what’ for men.

I read somewhere, that the most popular plastic surgery operation in paris france, is the restoration of hymen, among the French arab women, that being a bow to that community’s expectations of an unruptured hymen and the public display of blood on the sheet, the next day, as a matter of honour, for both, the groom, and the bride. Quite different, from the majority of European French, who consider a romp in bed, a healthy exercise, and hormone driven, right from their teens onwards.

I think it is prudent, of both, the man and woman, to keep mum certain things, about their past lives, prior to marriage. There is no need for it, and one never knows, how the other would react. Let us say, that the man had several ‘conquests’ and boasts about it to his spouse, as a bragging point; not sure, if his spouse retorts that she too has had a conquest or two under her belt. Not sure, how many Indian males could handle that. this alone calls for discretion. No?

Sex education, is just that. a matter of hygiene and knowledge. That babies are not sprung from the birds and bees, or as I used to believe, till I learned better, that they sprung off the belly button of the mother. To me sex education, was in whispers, as a junior teen, the knowledge imparted by ‘knowing’ elders, ie guys a few years older than me. I am still amazed at their knowledge of female anatomy, 45 years ago, when sex education was bit a bit of dust in the future, and no literature of such kind ever existed.

All through the ages, atleast in india, atleast what the public preferred to believe, it has been the man, who is the romper, while our females are supposed to have been daughters of seetha. அச்சம் மடம் நாணம் are supposed to go hand in hand with கற்பு virgin brides, while, on the whole we as a community, defaulted the same for boys. where any infractions might have occurred, the matter was not brought up, and if at all alluded to, was vehemently denied by the boys’ parents. if you dont believe me, just look at all the claims in the tamil matrimony ads.

i always felt, that when someone mentions, that he/she possesses, a blend of eastern and western values, that he/she had a good sexual appetite and took precautions to prevent pregnancy – this being the western value. but also did it discretly and would not mention it to anyone – this being the eastern value. but then that is the usual அதிகபிரசங்கி in me, just to raise the BP of some of the guardians of community morality. (nod nod wink wink).

personally, as a child, i used to listen to the epics from my athai patti. i still remember her squirm, when i drilled a little too deeply about the antics of kunti and her delivering so many boys through different men. but then i was only 7 or 8, and the old lady, knowing a lot more about birds and bees than i did, i guess got exaspeated, and bawled at me to shut up and listen :) and not ask questions :) much to the amusement of few other grownups nearby.
 
Hi Renuka
It is a moral dilemma, when you give advice on sex education, before marriage. Doesn’t this encourage premarital sex? By not disclosing your past activities to your spouse, could come back to haunt you.
Surely there may have been a dish that you really enjoyed, you would remember for a long time, and want to tell someone about it. Worse try it again. (LOL)


Dear Marvin,

You see most humans have short attention and memory span and most people forget the past very fast.
Everyone is so busy at work and with family commitment after marriage that they have no time to be like Cheran in Autograph and sing Nyabagam Varuthe Nyabagam Varuthe whole day long.

Nothing haunts anyone if it was enjoyed and with consent.

Rape victims get haunted by past memories becos it was traumatic and without consent.

past is past..its gone..why dwell on it and spoil the present?
We always only have the present and only the present.

Ok coming to dishes..no dish taste the same cos the cook is different and further more the same cook might change the recipe over the years.LOL!!


P.S. I forgot to add..as a doc my concern is saving lives and pre marital sex is not an offence so I am not encouraging anyone to break the law.
 
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All this issue over a tissue! At the end of the day if we and especially men are really honest with themselves they will surely realise that this virginity/chastity business is all about ego. Both the male and perhaps female egos can't accept the fact that their spouse has had a romp with others (for whatever reason) before. You know how people feel ashamed to say yes I have that ego, so they disguise it using words like "morality", "value" and "culture".

Why this ego? Perhaps as someone said here before at the end of the day, all said and done women (and perhaps men) are still viewed as chattels. And you don't want a used chattel do you, is the mentality of many people.

Disclaimer: I am not advocating free love, pre-marital sex, post-marital sex whatever. I am trying to say that this virginity business is not right nor is it wrong. Each person has to do what they feel is right at the end of the day , all said and done.
 
P.S. I forgot to add..as a doc my concern is saving lives and pre marital sex is not an offence so I am not encouraging anyone to break the law.

Dear Renuka,

We all know that pre marital sex between the two is not an offence, as long as the indulgence is with mutual consent.


The concern here is not about the legality of premarital sex. It's all about values based on human psychology and sensitive feelings. The commonly prevailing culture of a perticular community/country.

It's all about what's good for the folks for themselves and what can we vouch for, for the goodness of the future generation of the community.

With all your posts here, I could sense that, you are expressing your views as Doc and considering the legal points.

I would like to know, how far you would encourage and support pre marital sex indulgence, with precautions offcourse, by girls and boys (Physically between a boy and a girl. Not about mentally/emotionally out of imagination by oneself, with one self), as a common lady (and not as a Doc/law abiding citizen), who is proud/happy to have Indian ethinicity and much inclined in Bhakthi Maargam?



 
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Dear Renuka,

We all know that pre marital sex between the two is not an offence, as long as the indulgence is with mutual consent.


The concern here is not about the legality of premarital sex. It's all about values based on human psychology and sensitive feelings. The commonly prevailing culture of a perticular community/country.

It's all about what's good for the folks for themselves and what can we vouch for, for the goodness of the future generation of the community.

With all your posts here, I could sense that, you are expressing your views as Doc and considering the legal points.

I would like to know, how far you would encourage and support pre marital sex indulgence, with precautions offcourse, by girls and boys (Physically between a boy and a girl. Not about mentally/emotionally out of imagination by oneself, with one self), as a common lady (and not as a Doc/law abiding citizen), who is proud/happy to have Indian ethinicity and much inclined in Bhakthi Maargam?





Most important as a Hindu I strongly believe never to judge anyone.
I dont encourage pre marital sex nor do I discourage it.I feel its the basic right of anyone to decide whats the best for them.

I have realized over the years that its best to strive to see good in everyone and try not to judge anyone by their morals.

Thats my Bhakti Maarg..to see God in all and I am brave enough to say what I feel cos as an Indian woman fear is not in my vocabulary.
 
Reasonable Ego and reasonable possessiveness are the things that makes us true human. Having been fully evolved as humans with ego and possessiveness we have identified, desigened and advocated all about moralities and chastity.

Morality/chastity/ego/possessiveness/descipline/purity are all inter related some or other ways that again forms the basis of our culture/tradition/values.

Animals generally don't have ego and possessiveness and thus they have no issues with their sexual activities.

A similar thread existed quite long back under some thread tittle - "Phsycho analysis...." In that thread, I was asking how many folks as parents, who support pre marital sex as one's own choice and since it's not illegal, it is very much OK, would help their teen age/grown up/major daughters and sons to have sex, with their partner's acceptance, confortably in their home itself or anywhere else by revelation, since its their own choice and it's not illegal? As I guessed, I didnt get answer from any one.
 
Most important as a Hindu I strongly believe never to judge anyone.
I dont encourage pre marital sex nor do I discourage it.I feel its the basic right of anyone to decide whats the best for them.

I have realized over the years that its best to strive to see good in everyone and try not to judge anyone by their morals.

Thats my Bhakti Maarg..to see God in all and I am brave enough to say what I feel cos as an Indian woman fear is not in my vocabulary.

Dear Renuka,

Thank you for your honest reply...

I appreciate your humanist/naturalist attitude. You are a great mother to your son and am sure, you would be great mother to your daughter too, if you had one. Your children for sure would have no burden of restrictions.

Your pure bakthi and humanist/naturalist attitude is higly appreciable.

Thanks once again for your clear reply...


 
Marriage is also a kind of traffic regulation.

Brahmacharyam is the waiting period to get the license to drive.

A boy / girl has to wait till he / she becomes 18 years old to drive a vehicle.

A boy / girl must wait till marriage is performed to start their mutual conquests.


Marriage is NOT like "eating out" in hotels - as and when you feel like it. It is a sacred union of two families, two individuals, two souls and two bodies.
 
I had started a thread "marriage - is it a dying institute". In USA 50% of marriage ends in divorce. For the first time in USA households with single parent outnumbers the household with married couple (It may not be first marriage).
I would be a little careful before saying "Sacred Union" as it judges divorcees differently.

We also know in this age sexual adventures at least in the west and in metro cities of India, pre-marital sex is common. People live together before marriage even in Chennai.

The society is ever changing, right and wrong are time and space bound. We have to accept that there is no universal right or wrong.

I understand we all judge others by the rules we live, but that may not work in this fast paced life.

Sorry to disagree with you Mrs. VR.
 
Exactly TBS garu,

Baaga cheptaaru! How many so called virgin guys also have lost their virginity many many many times through fantasies and other physical acts! These have lost their virginity mentally/emotionally years ago! But all that doesn't count. They will still talk as if they are pure guys. What a joke!
hi amala garu,
its just ego....nobody is pure...atleast in emotion...its really a joke....a lot of guys/gals lost their virgin in their young age....the real

story...as veda patasala student....many so called many brahmacharis lost their virginity in india.(VEDA PATASALA)...its ego/supressed....due to

community fear....unmai enreum kasakkum....truth will always sour....
 
Does any one else think that virginity may actually be a liability? For either the girl or the boy?

Hey Biswa,

Do you realize something in this thread?Many of us are having differing opinions but yet all of us discuss it without "fighting" or name calling etc.
Its such a peaceful atmosphere here.

Some how sex related threads have this Unity in Diversity effect.
Have you wondered why???
 
Sex education, is just that. a matter of hygiene and knowledge. That babies are not sprung from the birds and bees, or as I used to believe, till I learned better, that they sprung off the belly button of the mother.

Wow, I still believe this! Is this not true? Why are so many heroines going around showing their belly buttons then? :)

Jokes aside, I do agree with Amala. What about teenagers lustfully consuming item number dances, B-movies, blue films and porn? Does not that entail at least a moral loss of virginity? Aren't they lusting after some object of desire?
 
Hey Biswa,

Do you realize something in this thread?Many of us are having differing opinions but yet all of us discuss it without "fighting" or name calling etc.
Its such a peaceful atmosphere here.

Some how sex related threads have this Unity in Diversity effect.
Have you wondered why???


Yes, I think I know why! Unlike the God exists (or not) debate, one thing is clear.

Sex exists! End of discussion! One can only debate the exact timing...
 

We all know that pre marital sex between the two is not an offence, as long as the indulgence is with mutual consent.

Of course it is an offence, in certain Muslim countries. Unfortunately societal law is not absolute. In those cultures the woman is still blamed, though hopefully she won't be stoned to death because it is not adultery.
 
Wow, I still believe this! Is this not true? Why are so many heroines going around showing their belly buttons then? :)

Jokes aside, I do agree with Amala. What about teenagers lustfully consuming item number dances, B-movies, blue films and porn? Does not that entail at least a moral loss of virginity? Aren't they lusting after some object of desire?


Virginity is in thought,word and deed dont you think so?

There are 2 types of Virgins in the world.

1st type..who really value celibacy and preserve it till marriage and have not enjoyed porn in any form nor indulged in self gratification.

2nd type..who cant stop thinking of sex and see all forms of porn, indulge in self gratification and somehow didnt get a chance to have sex for the following reasons

a)Didnt get any attention from the opposite sex.

b)Didnt want to spend money to woo a member of the opposite sex.

c)Fear that his amma or appa might find out.

d)Fear of STD

e)Performance Anxiety
 
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