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[Visalakshi Ramani]

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A.M (aka yay yem) is just a few years younger to me.

So he will be "Dear. Mr. A.M" henceforth!!!

 

[Anand Manohar]

Dear Sow Visalakshi

It'll be "Dear AAP" in future - since you have declared yourself to be older than me [ Akka/Athai/Paatti ].
I'm sure, you are not going to lose any sleep over my age but I definitely am not bald and don't have
wobbly knees. One is only as old as one feels he or she is.

But AAP - you don't seem to have lost your 'Girlish Charm'. the 'Yay Yem' is borrowed from the "Yem Yes Dhoni"
ad, and 'mind it' from a superstar dialog.

Shhhh! - we were taught to never ask a woman her age or a man his income, and I thought you were going
to lie low till 8th May! Anyway, the count-down has begun only 72 hours before you go on air.

Guruvethunai
Yay Yem from Chennai [mind it!]

 

[Anand Manohar]

Dear AAP

Please don't go out-of-the-way to "collect funny quotations" - what I would prefer would be
from your own - " APNE AAP " genius.

Guruvethunai
Yay Yem from Chennai [mind it!]

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Dear Mr. A.M,

I left high school in 1962. Certainly I am not old enough to be your athai or patti but akka is a possibility and even a certainty.


When I was young, I used to be a tom-boy. Thanks for affirming that I have "girlish" charm now - after growing very old!

I am not remembering even my age or even my gender. So certainly I won't lose sleep pondering and wondering over your age. eace:

"Mind It!" is a popular dialogue in English movie "Quick Gun Murugan"also.

The other popular dialogue in Tamil movies is "Follow me!' uttered by the police
sub-inspector to his men.

You are giving too much build-up. Hope and ray: that things DO NOT end up in a fiasco! :fear:

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Sure! Thank you for making my job easier.
When it is 'apne aap ki experience"
it can become spontaneous too!

Dear AAP

Please don't go out-of-the-way to "collect funny quotations" - what I would prefer would be
from your own - " APNE AAP " genius.

Guruvethunai
Yay Yem from Chennai [mind it!]

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

In future, I prefer to be called as (Mrs) V.R.

which is both shorter and sweeter than AAP!

Dear AAP

Please don't go out-of-the-way to "collect funny quotations" - what I would prefer would be
from your own - " APNE AAP " genius.

Guruvethunai
Yay Yem from Chennai [mind it!]

 

[Anand Manohar]

Dear Smt VR

Yes I remember other movies like " Revolver Rita ", Rocket Rani " & " Gunfight Kanchana "
- all action packed, thrillers! The 'Gundu Bulb' will come on after every reel, people would
light their beedies, and there would be those boys shouting "ISKEE" - selling anything from
'Goli Soda' to 'kamarakattu' to 'Then Mittais'.

But it was Major's trade mark to say a line in Tamil, and follow it up with an English translation.
"Irukkave Mudiyathu - Not Possible" and " Naan Ungalai Kaidhu Seigiren - you are under arrest"
were some of them.

Then there were some "Tamil Westerns" - with Jaishankar in cowboy outfit - complete with
mexican hats and gun holsters, where one could the the red & white stripes of a Temple wall
in the background, while he galloped away on horse-back!

" Those were the days, my friend ................. [ over to Renuka ]

Guruvethunai
Yay Yem from Chennai [mind it!]

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

East HAS MET West long before I tried to bring them together

in my collection of parallel proverbs!

That is why stories of the wild west in the eastern temple city!

I know only GUN THROAT Kanchana and Chandi Rani!

K.B's movies usually has the bi-lingual dialogues.

I wondered why V.R. sounds short and sweet. :nerd:

"I think...... therefore I am!" :high5:

"We think... therefore we are!":grouphug:

We Are => V. R.

Cute psychology!

Am I correct?

Dear Smt VR

Yes I remember other movies like " Revolver Rita ", Rocket Rani " & " Gunfight Kanchana "
- all action packed, thrillers! The 'Gundu Bulb' will come on after every reel, people would
light their beedies, and there would be those boys shouting "ISKEE" - selling anything from
'Goli Soda' to 'kamarakattu' to 'Then Mittais'.

But it was Major's trade mark to say a line in Tamil, and follow it up with an English translation.
"Irukkave Mudiyathu - Not Possible" and " Naan Ungalai Kaidhu Seigiren - you are under arrest"
were some of them.

Then there were some "Tamil Westerns" - with Jaishankar in cowboy outfit - complete with
mexican hats and gun holsters, where one could the the red & white stripes of a Temple wall
in the background, while he galloped away on horse-back!

" Those were the days, my friend ................. [ over to Renuka ]

Guruvethunai
Yay Yem from Chennai [mind it!]

 

[Anand Manohar]

Dear Smt VR

I concede you are older than me. I have a Mama, about my age, younger than my elder bro & sis.
He was a spoilt brat [ Kada Kutti ] and a sissy. We had a lot of fun making him cry - "Vaada Mama,
Poda Mama stuff" - oh! he got hell from them. I wont dare try any of that stuff with you.

I am sure it was "Gunfight Kanchana" and not 'GUNTHROAT KANCHANA'. KB's movies were always
a class above the others'.

Your post #29 wherein you say that you cannot recall your age or gender - now, that's worrisome!

Yes, long before you tried to make East & West meet, or even before Manoj Kumar
[Purab Aur Paschim], we had our own versions of Gregory Peck, John Wayne and Clint Eastwood
and they were considered 'cheap imitations' of our chaps! How drab & dull those English movies were
- no songs / duets / prolonged fight scenes. Guys just waited for scenes that might have escaped
the censor's scissors.

Incidentally you said that you were a "Tomboy" and Renuka said the same - what do you think
would be an apt term for a guy like my Mama - "Jerrygirl" ?

Guruvethunai
Yay Yem

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Dear Sir,

Hats off to your grandparents who could make your mama younger than your brother!

If you WERE planning to call me Dee Aththai or DEE Patti, it Would have been a different story altogether! :nono:

I know personally A Gun Throat Kanchana!

Tomboy does NOT refer to Tom cat.

So Timid girl will suit your mama better than Jerry Girl.

Timid Girl???? :decision: Jerry Girl???

Dear Smt VR

I concede you are older than me. I have a Mama, about my age, younger than my elder bro & sis.
He was a spoilt brat [ Kada Kutti ] and a sissy. We had a lot of fun making him cry - "Vaada Mama,
Poda Mama stuff" - oh! he got hell from them. I wont dare try any of that stuff with you.

I am sure it was "Gunfight Kanchana" and not 'GUNTHROAT KANCHANA'. KB's movies were always
a class above the others'.

Your post #29 wherein you say that you cannot recall your age or gender - now, that's worrisome!

Yes, long before you tried to make East & West meet, or even before Manoj Kumar
[Purab Aur Paschim], we had our own versions of Gregory Peck, John Wayne and Clint Eastwood
and they were considered 'cheap imitations' of our chaps! How drab & dull those English movies were
- no songs / duets / prolonged fight scenes. Guys just waited for scenes that might have escaped
the censor's scissors.

Incidentally you said that you were a "Tomboy" and Renuka said the same - what do you think
would be an apt term for a guy like my Mama - "Jerrygirl" ?

Guruvethunai
Yay Yem

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Your post #29 wherein you say that you cannot recall your age or gender - now, that's worrisome!

I am not remembering even my age or even my gender. So certainly I won't lose sleep pondering and wondering over your age. eace:

"NOT remembering" is not the same as "not being able to recall"!!!

I just meant that I do not remember that I am a woman or an old woman

when I interact with other people. I am just a PERSON like anyone else!!!

 

[Anand Manohar]

Dear Tmt VR

My Grand Parents were not the ones responsible. He was my Chitti-Patti's son. His Father was away in Europe
for good part of Worl War II and then posted in Karachi. After those chaotic years immediately following
the Partition, he was posted in Delhi - as Controller of Aerodromes - Palam Airport. That's when it happened.
Poor guy, he was even called an 'after-thought' by his peers and there was a good 11 years between him and
in immediate elder brother. He was nicknamed "Sottu" - I hope you wont ask me to elaborate why.

I think girls considered it a thing of pride to be named 'tomboy', while boys hate and consider it a bit insulting to
being termed 'girlish' / 'effeminate'. So the title 'Jerrygirl' didn't stick, what say ?

Young woman / Old woman - I don't see a 'gender change' here !

Waiting for you "sparkle" tomorrow - 8th May 2102.

Guruvethunai
Yay Yem

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Dear Mr. A.M ji,

You are trying to divert me into many threads-while I want to stay focused on ONE!

"Agala uzhuvathilum aazha uzhu!" applies to me also!

In fact I am planning to merge Quotable Quotes also into "Think it over!"

It is the best place where we can think about sayings, persons, incidents, philosophies and what not!

One of my neighbors has a girl doing final year B.Tech and a younger child in U.K.G. Their Age difference is ~ 18 years.

I am sure the birth of the second child was an accident and NOT an incident.

Sounds like the Movie Julie but both the girls are really sisters.
Is it Chottu??? :decision: Sottu???

The world belongs to men.

So "tomboy" girls may be appreciated.

But a sissy boy... :Cry: never! :nono:

In certain cases a gender change is possible - appearance wise - since some ladies become bald and grow stray hairs on the upper lip and chin!

Dear Tmt VR

My Grand Parents were not the ones responsible. He was my Chitti-Patti's son. His Father was away in Europe
for good part of Worl War II and then posted in Karachi. After those chaotic years immediately following
the Partition, he was posted in Delhi - as Controller of Aerodromes - Palam Airport. That's when it happened.
Poor guy, he was even called an 'after-thought' by his peers and there was a good 11 years between him and
in immediate elder brother. He was nicknamed "Sottu" - I hope you wont ask me to elaborate why.

I think girls considered it a thing of pride to be named 'tomboy', while boys hate and consider it a bit insulting to
being termed 'girlish' / 'effeminate'. So the title 'Jerrygirl' didn't stick, what say ?

Young woman / Old woman - I don't see a 'gender change' here !

Waiting for you "sparkle" tomorrow - 8th May 2102.

Guruvethunai
Yay Yem

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Women take pain and prepare excellent dishes.

Men just eat, grunt and leave the table.

When asked about the dish, the answer would be this:

"If nothing is said about the dish, then it means that it is good"

So grunt = > Good Food!

But if the dish turns out bad, there would be so much talked about it!!!

:blabla: = > Not Good Food!

WHY can't we change the equations and make them like this???

:blabla: = > Good Food.

grunt = > Not Good Food!

Women like to :ear: appreciation and NOT criticism all the time! out:

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

As promised...though active contribution has started loooong back!

He was a smart marketing specialist.

He was young, handsome, single and an eligible bachelor.

The couple who are famous in the same line of Art hunted him out of the millions of boys. They offered him their pretty daughter, a fancy car and a bungalow.

He got a pretty baby girl in due course of time. He was in the seventh heaven. Then things took a sudden U turn!

He was told to resign his job and promote the product of his parents-in-law.
His wife also applied pressure.

He knew now that they had used their girl, the car and the bungalow like the bunch of carrots held in front of a donkey-always near enough to be seen and always just out of its reach.

When he refused to resign his job, their girl (his wife) and his own girl were snatched away from him. He is not allowed to see them or even talk to them on phone!!!

So the whole situation has now reduced to his sacrificing his
Self respect ??? :decision: Happy family???

What is your advice to the boy who is unable to make up his mind???

 

[Anand Manohar]

Dear Tmt VR

I am really no expert on such matters. But, from what you've stated, it appears the brilliant marketing
professional got sold - sold to his in-laws' affluence. Where went his 'self-respect' then ? Where went
his sense of right & wrong then ? Where went his sense of identity then?

" Paadhhai Vagutha Pinbu, Bhayandhu Enna Laabam ?

So long as the money keeps coming in, it doesn't matter who he works for, his F-in-Law or
any other employer. Bills, EMIs, Mortgages, Fees, Utilities, Transport, Insurance - all paid for?
Then stay put. Doesn't seem like he can 'undo' something he's already 'undone'.

As such the situation is complex and I am sure we cannot find a solution on this forum. There is no one formula /
panacea for such equations. Maybe a set of mutually known and respected elders could mediate and arrive
at some kind of a compromise. Whichever way it turns-out, it will be only a compromise solution - no more a choice
between "self-respect" & "happy Family". WAQT SE SAMJHAUTHA KARNA HAI.

Guruvethunai
Yay Yem

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

I do not personally know the boy who got sold out and was also told to sell out.

But his life has become an eye-opener to all his friends who

shudder when they see a spaceship-like car on the road in front of their doors! :fear:

I am NOT sure what was the invisible string tied to the offer,

the invisible small prints at the bottom of the page,

which changed the boy's mind!

nand Manohar;135064]Dear Tmt VR

I am really no expert on such matters. But, from what you've stated, it appears the brilliant marketing
professional got sold - sold to his in-laws' affluence. Where went his 'self-respect' then ? Where went
his sense of right & wrong then ? Where went his sense of identity then?

" Paadhhai Vagutha Pinbu, Bhayandhu Enna Laabam ?

So long as the money keeps coming in, it doesn't matter who he works for, his F-in-Law or
any other employer. Bills, EMIs, Mortgages, Fees, Utilities, Transport, Insurance - all paid for?
Then stay put. Doesn't seem like he can 'undo' something he's already 'undone'.

As such the situation is complex and I am sure we cannot find a solution on this forum. There is no one formula /
panacea for such equations. Maybe a set of mutually known and respected elders could mediate and arrive
at some kind of a compromise. Whichever way it turns-out, it will be only a compromise solution - no more a choice
between "self-respect" & "happy Family". WAQT SE SAMJHAUTHA KARNA HAI.

Guruvethunai
Yay Yem

 

[C RAVI]

When he refused to resign his job, their girl (his wife) and his own girl were snatched away from him. He is not allowed to see them or even talk to them on phone!!!

So the whole situation has now reduced to his sacrificing his
Self respect ??? :decision: Happy family???

What is your advice to the boy who is unable to make up his mind???

A guy can well retain his self respect as long as he is single/a bachelor. Once married and have family, he is not supposed to be much bothering about his self respect BUT the overall considerations of the family members and see wife and children are happy with him.

He should learn to cheat himself ONLY to be at peace and harmony within himself and along with other family members.

In the case you have narrated above, his wife has allowed herself to be snatched away from her husband along with their girl. When she could accept to be influenced against her husband, the husband need not to worry about "HIS" self respect. As a couple, both Husband and Wife should contribute to each others self respect. When this is lacking, no one need to be crying to lose one's self respect. All matter is, Happy Family and peace of mind. In such a scenario, where one is particular about his/her preferences, the Self Respect of a person would be considered as excessive EGO.


So, try to cheat yourself and identify the element of surprise readily for the self, to carry on with family happiness, such that you will not consider that you have lost your self respect.

 

[ozone]

I do not personally know the boy who got sold out and was also told to sell out.

But his life has become an eye-opener to all his friends who

shudder when they see a spaceship-like car on the road in front of their doors! :fear:

I am NOT sure what was the invisible string tied to the offer,

the invisible small prints at the bottom of the page,

which changed the boy's mind!

Life is what you make of it.
There are very few in the world who come across such opportunities - work, money and wife all from the same source.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

The boy was NOT a fool be any means. There MUST have been a catch - an

impossible demand somewhere-which we do not know about!

Life is what you make of it.
There are very few in the world who come across such opportunities - work, money and wife all from the same source.

 

[Naina_Marbus]

Aspromised...though active contribution has started loooong back!

He was a smart marketing specialist.

He was young, handsome, single and an eligible bachelor.

The couple who are famous in the same line of Art hunted him out of themillions of boys. They offered him their pretty daughter, a fancy car and abungalow.

He got a pretty baby girl in due course of time. He was in the seventhheaven. Then things took a sudden U turn!

He was told to resign his job and promote the product of hisparents-in-law.
His wife also applied pressure.

He knew now that they had used their girl, the car and the bungalowlike the bunch of carrots held in front of a donkey-always near enough to beseen and always just out of its reach.

When he refused to resign his job, their girl (his wife) and his owngirl were snatched away from him. He is not allowed to see them or even talk tothem on phone!!!

So the whole situation has now reduced to his sacrificing his
Self respect ???

Happy family???

What is your advice to the boy who is unable to make up his mind???

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Without knowing the boy’s age and health status, it is a bit difficult to give a straight-forward answer.

This boy’s situation is not unlike Arjuna’s in Arjuna Vishada Yoga:

Start from verse 1:30:
I see only seeds of misfortune (निमित्तानिचपश्यामिविपरीतानिकेशव ). I do not see how any good can come from hurting my own kinsmen in this battle, I have no desire for any victory, kingdom or happiness. Of what use is a kingdom or pleasure or even life, if ……. fathers-in-law (श्वशुराः )…brothers-in-law (श्यालाः) and others, are engaging in this battle.

[ Verse 1:34: आचार्याःपितरःपुत्रास्तथैवचपितामहाः।मातुलाःश्वशुराःपौत्राःश्यालाःसंबन्धिनस्तथा ]

Even if they want to kill me, I would not want to kill them, not if that would make me ruler of the three worlds, even though they are evil…. How can we gain happiness by hurting members of our own family?

Though they are overpowered by greed and see no evil in destroying families....., we can see these are evils…

So the advice could be either Okay plod on wearily for the rest of your life or heed the advice as per BG 2:3

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

The boy is ~ 30 years and in good health and possesses a sound mind!

(May be THAT IS the problem!!!)

 

[Naina_Marbus]

The boy is ~ 30 years and in good health and possesses a sound mind!

(May be THAT IS the problem!!!)

The advice then is BG 2:3 But he needs enormous self-confidence.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Shall try to pass on the info B.G. 2:3 through his friends! thank you!

The advice then is BG 2:3 But he needs enormous self-confidence.

 

[Naina_Marbus]

As promised...though active contribution has started loooong back!

He was a smart marketing specialist.

He was young, handsome, single and an eligible bachelor.

The couple who are famous in the same line of Art hunted him out of the millions of boys. They offered him their pretty daughter, a fancy car and a bungalow.

He got a pretty baby girl in due course of time. He was in the seventh heaven. Then things took a sudden U turn!

He was told to resign his job and promote the product of his parents-in-law.
His wife also applied pressure.

He knew now that they had used their girl, the car and the bungalow like the bunch of carrots held in front of a donkey-always near enough to be seen and always just out of its reach.

When he refused to resign his job, their girl (his wife) and his own girl were snatched away from him. He is not allowed to see them or even talk to them on phone!!!

So the whole situation has now reduced to his sacrificing his
Self respect ??? :decision: Happy family???

What is your advice to the boy who is unable to make up his mind???

Madame VR:

I could not help dwelling on this strange but tragic real-life drama. Would you be able to fill some information gaps in this case?

1) a) He is a marketing specialist. b) The in-laws are also in the same line of art.
So what is wrong in joining hands with parents-in-law? If it was one's own parents, don't the sons usually oblige?
Is there anything about the business of the father-in-law that could be considered repulsive?

2)

Some couple......hunted him, offered him their pretty daughter, a fancycar and a bungalow.

Isn't this the traditional Indian way of getting daughters married in India? In fact, while I was in college, a similar thing happened to a colleague of mine. Forget about fancy car, and a bungalow. He got a pretty wife, right? Anyway, he made a conscious choice - to accept their offer.

3)

Then things took a sudden U turn!

He was told to resign his job and promotethe product of his parents-in-law.

Why is this a U turn? Was the father-in-law's business product going under? If the father-in-law expected his son-in-law to promote his product, is that unreasonable expectation? And what is his objection to this offer, if it can also mean not having to work for under some curmudgeon boss in another company which can boot him out any time they choose?

4)

When he refused to resignhis job..... his wife and daughter were snatched away from him. …He is notallowed to see them or even talk to them on phone!!!

If people go to this extreme, there is some mystery-monstrosity going on here..

5)

.... He got a pretty baby girl in due course of time. He was inthe seventh heaven.... And now)..unable to make up his mind..

How can he turn his back on a daughter who gave him the experience of the "seventh heaven"? The fact that he cannot make up his mind indicates that he is tossing between a selfish ego-centred need to assert himself and the filial bond with his daughter. Unless there are mitigating circumstances, it occurs to me that there is a possible solution.

Let him take a long leave of absence (if possible) from the current company, work for the father-in-law, demand and secure a higher-tier monthly salary, get acquainted with the inside-dope of his father-in-law's business, then gradually wriggle his way out , if it is deemed necessary. He needs to play his cards right.

He is only 30 years old!