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Theory bridging Science and Spirituality

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Differentiation of the ether element of the panchabhootas should have resulted in the formation of the four fundamental forces and also the release of enormous amount of energy. Subsequent differentiation of air element into fire element and fire element into water and so on should have created natural affinities at that level in addition to the release of energy.
 
So folks thus is created the ingredients for a great drama and interplay between two types of forces, one being the destructive disintegrating energy released and the other integrating attractive forces created.

The interplay results in learning and evolution and the final emancipation from the physical world. I will try to elaborate on this.
 
The intricacies and the extent of intelligence built into this drama and in making it happen from the highest level to the micro level is way beyond my comprehension now though I will try to present the overview.
 
I will try to restrict the discussion to how knowledge of science can be linked to spiritual knowledge
 
Let us now focus our attention from the macrocosm to the microcosm, from the level of the universe to the level of a human.
 
As you would have understood from the usage of the terms macrocosm and microcosm, I believe that the human body is a miniature version of the physical universe.
 
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As you would have understood from the usage of the terms macrocosm and microcosm, I believe that the human body is a miniature version of the physical universe.
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Oye...who doesnt know this?
Sravna...the act of procreation needs DNA and a uterus.

So the macrocosm surely has a "DNA" sequence for creation if we are going to go on this microcosm macrocosm theory.

Now try to get info on how creation became so diverse with various animated entities from single cell to multicellular.
 
I am done for today Renuka. Will get back tomorrow. But I do have some thoughts on your question
 
Can someone still call themselves "spiritual" and hold fast to the principles of science?

But for me spirituality may not be the right word on which to focus this effort

Any attempt to adapt or enlarge language for new purposes represents nothing more than "invention."

"Creative misreading" of earlier texts is the religious tradition of spirituals !

Now there is an attempt to build bridge with "Creative Misreading"
 
Just like the creation of the universe, the creation of human body is also the result of coming together of two complementary energies, the male energy and the female energy.
 
Very high synergy is created when fertilization occurs and this guides the differentiation and development of human body.
 
The energy coming out of fertilization is the energy of the soul and it is at fertilization that the physical is connected to the soul and so the mind.
 
So at fertilization, the atma is connected again to a jiva. This is the working atma and is called a jivatma
 
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sravna said:
Just like the creation of the universe, the creation of human body is also the result of coming together of two complementary energies, the male energy and the female energy.
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Partenogenisis in bees does not need a male.

Cloning too does not need a male.

But in both these cases only a female produced.

We can take DNA from a female..inject it into a enucleated ova and inseminate it into a uterus.

No male cellular material needed.

Same way a male can be cloned too but an enucleated ova and a uterus is still needed.

So females can be created sans males but for right now ..males cant be created without females till science finds a suitable substance to replace an enucleated ova and an external uterus.


So Sravna...its not as easy as male energy coming together with female energy.

Coming to our Puranas..Drona also known as the pot born one didnt have a mother.
He was born purely from seminal fluid of sage Bharadwaj who emited semen upon seeing a beautiful Apsara.

The seminal fluid was stored in a pot and Drona developed.

So how with only male DNA here without an enucleated ova and a uterus develop into a human.

Also why only 1 person developed?
Seminal fluids has a huge number of sperms .
So why only 1 developed?

So Sravna..nothing is as easy as we think.
 
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Dear Sravna.
Kindly put a disclaimer in all your posts that this is only your personal view cos some of your views are not entirely correct.
 
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The energy coming out of fertilization is the energy of the soul and it is at fertilization that the physical is connected to the soul and so the mind.
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Dear Sravna..Adenosine 5 Triphospate ATP in the mitochondria is the most abudant energy carrier in cells.
Energy is released from ATP to carry out functions in cells.

Try to read up on this.

We are all animated becos of the Universal Consciousness.
 
Just as Isvara willed the creation of the universe, the soul wills the creation of body. Here we see the real power of the soul.
 
I believe the typical creation is because of male female energy coming together but it need not be male and female only. It has to be just complementary energies to produce creation.

Does this answer your question?
 
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Dear Sravna..Adenosine 5 Triphospate ATP in the mitochondria is the most abudant energy carrier in cells.
Energy is released from ATP to carry out functions in cells.

Try to read up on this.

We are all animated becos of the Universal Consciousness.
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Energy is released from ATP. But where does the intelligence and all the energy come from to form such organs as the heart or the brain and such an interconnected body?
 
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Energy is released from ATP. But where does the intelligence and all the energy come from to form such organs as the heart or the brain and such an interconnected body?
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Didnt I say..we are animated cos of Univesal Consciousness.

But we are animated as a whole unit BUT individual cells can be viable if preserved in right atmosphere.

For eg..frozen genetic material can be used years later.

Cells are just templates that get activated when atmosphere is conducive for the Universal Consciousness to animate it.
 
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I believe the typical creation is because of male female energy coming together but it need not be male and female only. It has to be just complementary energies to produce creation.

Does this answer your question?
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Complementary principals would be a better terminology.

We cant directly say Energy as we do not have any formula to define it as energy.

Principal is a safer terminology to use cos its neutral and has no preconcieved notions.

Furthermore your understanding of the term Energy does not match science or spirituality cos you many a times say you can make physical energy vanish.

This understanding isnt accurate cos energy can not vanish..it only changes form.

Even in Geeta it is mentioned about the Atma..

na jayate mriyate va kadacin
nayam bhutva bhavita va na bhuyah
ajo nityah sasvato 'yam purano
na hanyate hanyamane sarire


For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.



Apply this to understand Energy and you will never say you are a Physical Energy Slayer ever again.
 
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Just as Isvara willed the creation of the universe, the soul wills the creation of body. Here we see the real power of the soul.
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Well..well..well..
Ishvara is not bound by Karma hence the Will Of Ishvara can create per dictates best known to Ishvara and not known to us.


If a soul can wills the creation of the body..why doesnt each soul create perfection?

Why are some having deformity or even congenital diseases?

If a soul has free will..it will desire the best.
But why we dont see this happening?

There seems to be an individual genetic imprint for each person which eventually shapes his body..mind and destiny.

It differs from person to person.

The soul is apparently following some format here if we subscribe to the Karma/rebirth theory.

If we do not subscribe to Karma/rebirth theory then we just have to apply laws of science to our understanding as why there is variety in nature.


Going back to so called Free Will..see even in your own threads you say you have spiritual powers..but what did you first run towards?

Physical beauty!
You post pics of yourself to show you are reversing the effects of aging.

You claimed your biceps grew..you claimed you grew taller..you claimed your waist has a V cut.

Now just imagine...if a soul wills a body and its entirely up to it..we would all be looking like Greek Gods with IQ of Einstein.
 
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Renuka,

I agree that the life force animates the body. As the jivaatma wills the creation and differentiation of the physical self, life force animates it. Prana or the life force is the energy that connects the mind and body, the connection being created by the jivatma.

The theory of koshas or the sheaths covering the atman seems to be good one, all sheaths considered to be a form of maya.

Here is the link:

http://sivanandaonline.org/public_html/?cmd=displaysection&section_id=748
 
renuka said:
Well..well..well..
Ishvara is not bound by Karma hence the Will Of Ishvara can create per dictates best known to Ishvara and not known to us.


If a soul can wills the creation of the body..why doesnt each soul create perfection?

Why are some having deformity or even congenital diseases?

If a soul has free will..it will desire the best.
But why we dont see this happening?

There seems to be an individual genetic imprint for each person which eventually shapes his body..mind and destiny.

It differs from person to person.

The soul is apparently following some format here if we subscribe to the Karma/rebirth theory.

If we do not subscribe to Karma/rebirth theory then we just have to apply laws of science to our understanding as why there is variety in nature.


Going back to so called Free Will..see even in your own threads you say you have spiritual powers..but what did you first tun towards?

Physical beauty!
You post pics of yourself to show you are reversing the effects of aging.

You claimed your biceps grew..you claimed you grew taller..you claimed your waist has a V cut.

Now just imagine...if a soul wills a body and its entirely up to it..we would all be looking like Greek Gods with IQ of Einstein.
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Will answer this one
 
Renuka,

Do you agree that mind is more powerful than the body and jivatma is more powerful than the mind , the Atman being the most powerful. If thinking at the level of physical and mental reality we are able to create Artificial Intelligence and Artificial life, why cannot jivatma will the creation of living being?
 
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