Last January, I made a post about the unusually high rate of intercaste marriages among the Tamil Brahmin community. I actively followed the discussion but, unfortunately, did not receive any satisfactory explanations in any of answers. Now, nearly ten months later, I believe I have a better understanding of the reasons behind this trend. Before drawing any conclusions, I would like to outline four separate but seemingly unrelated observations.
1. Historical and scriptural references
a. Just before Lord Krishna concluded his avatar, it is said that the Yadavas committed grave acts against the Abhira women. Later, when Arjuna was escorting the Yadava women to Hastinapur, the Abhira men attacked and took away many of them. When Arjuna tried to invoke his astras, the deities did not respond, leaving him powerless. In the end, both the Yadavas and Abhiras suffered the loss of their women.
b. In the 4th century, King Mayura Sharma of the Kadamba dynasty invited Kashmiri Brahmins who settled in uttar pradesh from northern India to the karnataka to help revive Hinduism. These Brahmin men married local Dalit women, creating a new community called the Havyakas. Historically, this community has experienced alternating periods of gender imbalance, at times having too many men and at other times too many women. In the 1950s–1970s, they had severe shortage of women, by the 1970s–1990s, there was a surplus. Since after 2000s, they have again faced a shortage due to low birth rates and intercaste marriages.
2. “Marriages made in heaven”, a personal reflection
A bit about myself, I had an arranged marriage. My wife and I have opposite interests, yet we felt an instant, powerful attraction to each other. In our early days together, we often wondered what had drawn us so strongly, but we never found an answer.
Later, as I became more involved in spiritual practices, my kundalini awakened through divine grace, and I began to have spiritual experiences. In one out of body experience, I witnessed an agreement made before certain deities regarding my life, marriage, and spiritual journey. After returning to my body, I finally understood the inexplicable pull I had felt toward my wife, it truly was a “marriage made in heaven.” She was someone my heart drawn towards, even when my mind couldn’t make sense of it.
3. Interracial and intercaste marriages in the West
Among newlyweds in the U.S. and the U.K., interracial marriage rates among whites have remained around 10% over the past decade. Similarly, intercaste marriage rates among Indians(except TB)range between 5% and 10%.Interracial marriage rate among 3rd generation gujaratis in UK hovers around 5% in UK.
4. Traditional versus liberal mindsets
Having traveled to around 20 countries, I have noticed a consistent global pattern: conservative and religious women are more likely to marry within their race, while liberal or progressive women are more likely to marry outside of it. This holds true across White, Black, East Asian, and South Asian communities.
However, among Tamil Brahmin women, even the conservative ones seem more inclined toward intercaste or interracial marriages. In many Hindu temples across the U.S. and Canada, I’ve observed that Tamil Brahmin women married to white men frequently attend services far more than the reverse. I’ve also heard many Tamil Brahmin women openly say they are not even attracted to Indian men. This pattern resembles what is often seen among East Asian (Chinese, Japanese, etc.) women who prefer white men lot more than their own men.Very few women from other indian community I heard, making such statements.
Some Conclusions
I understand that many people here approach such topics purely from a scientific standpoint. However, based on my own spiritual experiences combined with a scientific perspective, I’ve reached a tentative conclusion:
If attraction and marriage are indeed influenced by karmic connections, it is possible that the Tamil Brahmin community is undergoing a form of collective karmic retribution or even a curse, that drives so many women to seek partners outside their community more often than men or other groups. Just as the Yadavas once lost their women in a karmic reversal, perhaps past actions are now manifesting as a similar challenge for Tamil Brahmins.
Karma operates not only at the individual level but also at the level of communities and nations. When third generation Gujaratis in the U.K. have interracial marriage rates below 5%, and Orthodox Jews in New York City maintain rates around 2%, Tamil Brahmins cannot easily justify intermarriage levels as high as 70–80% in the United States.
Perhaps this curse caused rise of a far left, ideologically “woke” mindset among many Tamil Brahmins, particularly in the diaspora. Sadly, I have encountered numerous such individuals in the U.S., making it increasingly difficult to find balanced, apolitical, and spiritually grounded members of the community. When I meet Brahmins from Uttar Pradesh, Maharashtra, or Andhra Pradesh, our conversations usually revolve around spiritual topics, but when I meet Tamil Brahmins, discussions tend to drift toward progressive and political themes.
1. Historical and scriptural references
a. Just before Lord Krishna concluded his avatar, it is said that the Yadavas committed grave acts against the Abhira women. Later, when Arjuna was escorting the Yadava women to Hastinapur, the Abhira men attacked and took away many of them. When Arjuna tried to invoke his astras, the deities did not respond, leaving him powerless. In the end, both the Yadavas and Abhiras suffered the loss of their women.
b. In the 4th century, King Mayura Sharma of the Kadamba dynasty invited Kashmiri Brahmins who settled in uttar pradesh from northern India to the karnataka to help revive Hinduism. These Brahmin men married local Dalit women, creating a new community called the Havyakas. Historically, this community has experienced alternating periods of gender imbalance, at times having too many men and at other times too many women. In the 1950s–1970s, they had severe shortage of women, by the 1970s–1990s, there was a surplus. Since after 2000s, they have again faced a shortage due to low birth rates and intercaste marriages.
2. “Marriages made in heaven”, a personal reflection
A bit about myself, I had an arranged marriage. My wife and I have opposite interests, yet we felt an instant, powerful attraction to each other. In our early days together, we often wondered what had drawn us so strongly, but we never found an answer.
Later, as I became more involved in spiritual practices, my kundalini awakened through divine grace, and I began to have spiritual experiences. In one out of body experience, I witnessed an agreement made before certain deities regarding my life, marriage, and spiritual journey. After returning to my body, I finally understood the inexplicable pull I had felt toward my wife, it truly was a “marriage made in heaven.” She was someone my heart drawn towards, even when my mind couldn’t make sense of it.
3. Interracial and intercaste marriages in the West
Among newlyweds in the U.S. and the U.K., interracial marriage rates among whites have remained around 10% over the past decade. Similarly, intercaste marriage rates among Indians(except TB)range between 5% and 10%.Interracial marriage rate among 3rd generation gujaratis in UK hovers around 5% in UK.
4. Traditional versus liberal mindsets
Having traveled to around 20 countries, I have noticed a consistent global pattern: conservative and religious women are more likely to marry within their race, while liberal or progressive women are more likely to marry outside of it. This holds true across White, Black, East Asian, and South Asian communities.
However, among Tamil Brahmin women, even the conservative ones seem more inclined toward intercaste or interracial marriages. In many Hindu temples across the U.S. and Canada, I’ve observed that Tamil Brahmin women married to white men frequently attend services far more than the reverse. I’ve also heard many Tamil Brahmin women openly say they are not even attracted to Indian men. This pattern resembles what is often seen among East Asian (Chinese, Japanese, etc.) women who prefer white men lot more than their own men.Very few women from other indian community I heard, making such statements.
Some Conclusions
I understand that many people here approach such topics purely from a scientific standpoint. However, based on my own spiritual experiences combined with a scientific perspective, I’ve reached a tentative conclusion:
If attraction and marriage are indeed influenced by karmic connections, it is possible that the Tamil Brahmin community is undergoing a form of collective karmic retribution or even a curse, that drives so many women to seek partners outside their community more often than men or other groups. Just as the Yadavas once lost their women in a karmic reversal, perhaps past actions are now manifesting as a similar challenge for Tamil Brahmins.
Karma operates not only at the individual level but also at the level of communities and nations. When third generation Gujaratis in the U.K. have interracial marriage rates below 5%, and Orthodox Jews in New York City maintain rates around 2%, Tamil Brahmins cannot easily justify intermarriage levels as high as 70–80% in the United States.
Perhaps this curse caused rise of a far left, ideologically “woke” mindset among many Tamil Brahmins, particularly in the diaspora. Sadly, I have encountered numerous such individuals in the U.S., making it increasingly difficult to find balanced, apolitical, and spiritually grounded members of the community. When I meet Brahmins from Uttar Pradesh, Maharashtra, or Andhra Pradesh, our conversations usually revolve around spiritual topics, but when I meet Tamil Brahmins, discussions tend to drift toward progressive and political themes.
