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Tamil Brahmin Possible origin

Venkyviji

New member
The average South Indian body structure..features..height..body muscle mass ratio etc doesnt differ much from community to community.

South Asians(South Indians included) over all have much less muscle mass and have higher body fat ratio and a higher risk for metabolic syndrome which is NOT the case for an races from Europe.

I saw a video of a very middle eastern Europeanish looking Pakistani who did his DNA and his DNA showed South Asian ONLY. No European heritage or middle eastern heritage.

Then there was another video of an very European looking arab whose DNA did show some European ancestory and also Indian ancestory which he never knew about.
Another Arab had African genes too.

Anyway the point here is....how did Brahmins acquire south indian looks ?
The fact is a TB looks very south indian and does not look european at all.
Some North Indian Brahmins at times do look a bit Europeanish or more middle eastern but this is rarely seen in a South Indian Brahmin especially from Tamil Nadu.

Being fair skinned doesn't give one European looks...Chinese/Japanese/Koreans are also very light skinned but do not look European at all.

I dont buy the migration story but I feel there surely was other DNA's that came along into India from races that came and conquered..or stayed.

Men usually took local wives/partners or chinna veedus or part time lovers and the children spoke their mothers language.

If we observe an offspring of a South Indian and a Caucasian mostly they end up looking like very good looking Northern Indians.
But if a North Indian and a Caucasian mix off spring tends to look more Caucasian.

So this gives a rough idea that some parts of India could have had some other races DNA.

Since Tamil Brahmins look very south indian may be thats how they really looked like and their genes didnt get exposed to invador or Greek genes hence retained their original Indian look.
Why cant
And none of the Indians have any white features - hairs, eyes, skin colour, etc..

No offence to anyone. On the other hand, North Indians Hindus and Muslims look the same, same features, same language - Hindi and Urdu are same except script, same customs - Holi is the same as Eid e Gulabi, food is same - roti, sabji, etc..

So how lah ??? Same discredited theory is circulated every now and then..
It is quite possible a part of land separaTed from other continents and joined China . German language is very similar to sanskrit.
 

Jaykay767

Well-known member
Venky Ji,
Sanskrit and Dravidian have more commonality and similarity than other languages.


Sanskrit as a language competed with numerous, less exact vernacular Indian languages called Prakritic languages (prākṛta-). The term prakrta literally means "original, natural, normal, artless", states Franklin Southworth.[43] The relationship between Prakrit and Sanskrit is found in Indian texts dated to the 1st millennium CE. Patañjali acknowledged that Prakrit is the first language, one instinctively adopted by every child with all its imperfections and later leads to the problems of interpretation and misunderstanding. The purifying structure of the Sanskrit language removes these imperfections. The early Sanskrit grammarian Daṇḍin states, for example, that much in the Prakrit languages is etymologically rooted in Sanskrit, but involve "loss of sounds" and corruptions that result from a "disregard of the grammar". Daṇḍin acknowledged that there are words and confusing structures in Prakrit that thrive independent of Sanskrit. This view is found in the writing of Bharata Muni, the author of the ancient Nāṭyaśāstra text. The early Jain scholar Namisādhu acknowledged the difference, but disagreed that the Prakrit language was a corruption of Sanskrit. Namisādhu stated that the Prakrit language was the pūrvam (came before, origin) and that it came naturally to women and children, while Sanskrit was a refinement of Prakrit through "purification by grammar".[44]

And these observations are from our ancient scholars, Rishis and grammarians ! And very comprehensive right on the local origins and inter linkage of Sanskrit and Prakrit.

Our ancients documented everything, and if Sanskrit came from foreigners they would have written about it. Like they mentioned how Greeks (yavanas) came to india and traded with different kingdoms.

Jk
 
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GNANA SUNYAM

Active member
hi

yes....we are the one of the tribe of jewish......moved from hindukush to hindustan...
Are we descendants of the tribe of Levi, of Levites who were assigned priestly duties and were ordained to observe the ceremonial law of the Jews?
 

renuka

Well-known member
hi

yes....we are the one of the tribe of jewish......moved from hindukush to hindustan...
Yes..possible cos you can read in The Qura'n that the enslaved Jews did give Moses a hard time.
He was trying to preach Monotheism to them but they didn't listen to him and worshiped an idol of the calf instead.
So they seemed to be reluctant to give up idol worship.

Ok..next...so to be a Jew..one has to be CIRCUMCISED and food has to be Kosher(including slaughter of bovine species).

BTW logically can Brahmins be from a community that were enslaved by the Pharaoh?
A slave isn't from the top most Varna cos he has no freedom and would be forced to do manual labor and not reciting swaha.
Also Hebrew is a Semitic language and not an Indo- European language and written from right to left.
Jews are NOT vegetarians and slaughter animals Kosher which is like how the Halal procedure of Muslims.

So how did all these change and all of a sudden there is Vedas and Sanskrit?
Judaism is a Monotheistic religion and no Devas or Devis to be worshipped.

So if a TB is a Jew its only possible that when they came to India they took up the study of the Vedas which was native to Bharatvarsha...again all sounds weird.

BTW I never see Jews from saying they are TBs.
 
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tbs

Well-known member
Yes..possible cos you can read in The Qura'n that the enslaved Jews did give Moses a hard time.
He was trying to preach Monotheism to them but they didn't listen to him and worshiped an idol of the calf instead.
So they seemed to be reluctant to give up idol worship.

Ok..next...so to be a Jew..one has to be CIRCUMCISED and food has to be Kosher(including slaughter of bovine species).

BTW logically can Brahmins be from a community that were enslaved by the Pharaoh?
A slave isn't from the top most Varna cos he has no freedom and would be forced to do manual labor and not reciting swaha.
Also Hebrew is a Semitic language and not an Indo- European language and written from right to left.
Jews are NOT vegetarians and slaughter animals Kosher which is like how the Halal procedure of Muslims.

So how did all these change and all of a sudden there is Vedas and Sanskrit?
Judaism is a Monotheistic religion and no Devas or Devis to be worshipped.

So if a TB is a Jew its only possible that when they came to India they took up the study of the Vedas which was native to Bharatvarsha...again all sounds weird.

BTW I never see Jews from saying they are TBs.
hi

even earlier brahmins were meat eaters like KOSHER......hinduism is MONOTHEISM...believing in BRAHMAN

and worshiping many....like jews wear some holy therads like brahmins....priestly services are very common..
 

Brahmanyan

Well-known member
It is my understanding, for generations Brahmins are nomadic groups invited by the rulers to settled down as per the requirement for doing religious duties and guidance. They were provided houses to live in Agraharams built for them by the people invited them. Also provided adequate agricultural lands and wells or water facilities for living. This has been described in detail by Sri Uu.Ve. Swaminatha Aiyar in his Autobiography "En Sarithiram".

It is my feeling "Tamil Brahmins" must have migrated mostly from Andhra Region, during the rule of Pallavas, Cholas or Pandya Kings. Pallavas were great supporters of Vedic Religion, who were active in Thondai mandalam area with Kanchipuram as their Capital. They established many Veda Patasalas and "Ghatikastanas" in Kanchi and other places in the region ruled by them. This migration of Brahmins must have continued during the rule of Vijayanagra dynasties and Nayak Rulars as well. Many "Tamil Brahmin" families in Trichy and Thanjavur region have roots in Telugu speaking area.

Brahmins as a class always learnt the language of the region and exhibited excellence in the same. Never indulged in language fanaticism. Above all their devotion to the religion and rulers are well known.
Since literature written by Tamil Brahmins were found even before the time of these rulers quoted above, I believe they were settled much earlier also.

Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
 
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Jaykay767

Well-known member
In our scriptures, the only Brahmin kingdom was Ravanan and here is where we all brahmins come from. People who have read my posts way back on history will know the corrct Lanka is the city of Badami or Vatapi in the Hyderabad Karnataka region. (Ramyanam war is based on the written inscriptions of the war between Tamil King Narasimhan vs Kannada King Pulekeshi II where the wife/ lover was kidnapped triggering an extraordinary war. Same war is referenced in the sangam Tamil text of sivakamiyan sapatham)

Agasthiar takes these Brahmins from Vatapi to south Tamil Nadu / Keralam and settles down.

Now let's go back to scriptures again - Brahmins come from the land of brahmavarta which is below the Kuru Nadu and these are delimited by the saraswati and drishtawadi rivers.

Only written inscriptions anywhere in india that talks about kurunadu is the South Indian war - Pandian King from Madurai goes to kurunadu in keralam, and wins an historic war by beating over 100 chieftains. Kurunadu is the Kollam district (not exact boundaries), where the temple for Duryodhanan Bhismar, Dromar, Karnan exists.

Brahmavarta existed below the kurunadu. Hence the Thiruvananthapuram district and Kanyakumari is the correct brahmavarta, where the saptha Rishis lived and we all come from then.

This view also explains why only Udupi priests serve in the Vishwanathan temple in Karnmandu !! And why Tamil Brahmins carried the Carnatic music, which has a large body of composition in Telugu ( Prominent in the Hyderabad Karnataka region) with them, and Vatapi Ganapathi is so important for us. !!

And the Saptha Rishis claimed origin from brahma, and if you look into the South Indian war the kannda King Pulekeshi II father Pulekeshi I was an extremely old man, and revered all over, and he is the correct Brahma in our scriptures.

And from here the Brahmins migrated to other Tamil kingdoms, Pandian,Pallavan, Cheran, etc..including palakad !!
 
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