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Sex - what do we understand?

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humans are just another natural species.all these moral codes are human made only.variety is spice of life.so spice things up,nothing immoral about it.its only when people act as if holier than thou and go about having a romp with gay abandon,become a hypocrite,imho.

nachi naga.
 
Dear all,

I want to share my experience with everyone about an incident that took place when I was a junior doctor in a Government Hospital in 1996..
There was a patient who was admitted with HIV..He worked as a male prostitute..He was a transexual..
He dressed like a female and was the effiminate types.
He was not well treated by other doctors and nurses..I still remember the Surgeon in charge asking him on his face.."What are you?Male or female?should you be in the male ward or the female ward?"
Nurses would treat him badly because he was a a male prostitute...

I felt sad for him and I used to spend time talking to him when I was free...
He told me that as a child he felt he was female trapped in a males body and wanted to be a female so badly..so he dressed up as one...then no one loved him for his behaviour...He could not get a job..and eventually he became a male prostitute...
He said since he was different.effiminate..no one cared about his feelings...

I used to buy food for him sometimes and bring fruits for him becos sometimes when he was hungry he would ask the nurses to help him buy some food but they wont buy for him(even though he gave them money)..becos he was a transexual.

I used to tell him to forget what the world thought of him and think of God since humans will only judge others but God will give you a chance..since he had not long to live...
Then one day I saw him praying(namaz) in the prayer room and he looked calm...
He thanked me and he actually touched my feet in the ward and he was crying like a baby...He said no one in his life had shown him even an ounce of affection...

Then I got transfered to another hospital and a month later I had a dream of him where he was dressed in all white..and looked radiant and happy..and smiled at me...

I woke up and called my old hospital..they told me he had died in his sleep...

God is the only One who will not have Pride and Prejucide...and love all the same...be it saint or
so called sinner..

So its back to Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvameka Bhavani...
 
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Dr. Renuka ji,

A very touching story...

God bless you for your humanitarian love.

We hardly can find women feeling pity of male prostitutes and men feeling pity of female prostitutes.

No one on this earth opts to be a prostitute. Every one wants to live a descent & happy life. Many external forces and circumstances drags them into miserable life. Prostitutes are dying every day. I could not imagine how could they get the guts to survive their miserable life? How could they manage their inner self every day, every moment? Where is their life? What life mean to them? They are also human beings...They are not products.

I don’t' know why still there are many people who look down those misfortunate and misbehave with them.

For some, sex is the source of survival and for some sex is the plaything. For some sex is just a part of life and for some sex is the life.

What ever, I feel sex is the greatest challenge for mankind through which every one is tested in life by GOD.

As long as love and respect for fellow human beings prevails, we can say that human species is still surviving in this world
 
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Dear all,

I want to share my experience with everyone about an incident that took place when I was a junior doctor in a Government Hospital in 1996..
There was a patient who was admitted with HIV..He worked as a male prostitute..He was a transexual..
He dressed like a female and was the effiminate types.
He was not well treated by other doctors and nurses..I still remember the Surgeon in charge asking him on his face.."What are you?Male or female?should you be in the male ward or the female ward?"
Nurses would treat him badly because he was a a male prostitute...

I felt sad for him and I used to spend time talking to him when I was free...
He told me that as a child he felt he was female trapped in a males body and wanted to be a female so badly..so he dressed up as one...then no one loved him for his behaviour...He could not get a job..and eventually he became a male prostitute...
He said since he was different.effiminate..no one cared about his feelings...

I used to buy food for him sometimes and bring fruits for him becos sometimes when he was hungry he would ask the nurses to help him buy some food but they wont buy for him(even though he gave them money)..becos he was a transexual.

I used to tell him to forget what the world thought of him and think of God since humans will only judge others but God will give you a chance..since he had not long to live...
Then one day I saw him praying(namaz) in the prayer room and he looked calm...
He thanked me and he actually touched my feet in the ward and he was crying like a baby...He said no one in his life had shown him even an ounce of affection...

Then I got transfered to another hospital and a month later I had a dream of him where he was dressed in all white..and looked radiant and happy..and smiled at me...

I woke up and called my old hospital..they told me he had died in his sleep...

God is the only One who will not have Pride and Prejucide...and love all the same...be it saint or
so called sinner..

So its back to Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvameka Bhavani...

Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.

Saint Arunagirinathan is the best example.

Biography of Saint Arunagirinathar

Let us learn from the life history of such great saints.

All the best
 
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there are enuff women in the world who have stronger libido than men too.initially between couples its trice many in a day,then tri weekly,then slowly after 30 years togetherness,it become try weekly,and slowly try weakly,untill one sputters and teeters to death.

nachi naga.:phone:
 
As asked by a curious Ravi, I wish to answer the question - What motivated me to raise this topic here?

It was the time when Nithyananda scandal broke out and I was also rattled. Generally, I do not easily believe all Sadhus and religious Gurus. I test them with so many tools - all internally - without their knowledge. Finally, my experience has taught that nearly only 1 (or even less) out of every 1000 passes out successfully.

A human being - male or female, struggles to satisfy all his/her bodily instincts, especially a socially delicate one like sex. But, once they are satisfied, thoughts about them will cease to dominate one's mind. He/She will be freed to engage in other activities, without any physical or mental disturbance.

That's why Oscar Wilde, an Irish poet wrote:

"The best way to overcome temptation is to yield to it".

Now comes the next question. Can we and shall we extinguish all our thirsts as and when they arise?

Definitely not. We have to wait for an opportunity. We live in a society and must satisfy our wants and needs in a socially approved manner. Here, time and the way chosen count.

While most of the bodily wants can be satisfied in the open, like quenching one's thirst, eating food to fight hunger etc., sexual appetite cannot be overcome in full public view, because of so many social controls and regulations. Why sex? Can an educated person take bath, even with small piece of cloth on, on a road, with so many watchful eyes around?

Sex has to happen at the right age. Sex can be had with the socially approved relationships only - for males with their wife and for females with their husband.
Sex can be had inside 4 walls only. Sexual life can proceed only in privacy. Sex has its own time schedule also.

Sex must be regulated and is to occur with mutual consent. Sex shall not dominate one's life, but at the same time, one must realize that abstinence may jeopardise one's normal, peaceful life. Lack of sex may ruin one's life too. It may drive one to unnatural behaviour, which needs no elaboration.

In a nutshell, sex is an integral part of a human being's life; but sex alone does not constitute one's whole life. Where to draw the line depends on individual wisdom.
 
pannvalan,

individual wisdom,such a beautiful coinage of words.our folks today have more of collective wisdom or gumbaloda govinda attitude,and cheaply become judgemental in life.respecting privacy of an individual is no more a given thing,in public life,rather public personality,by virtue of their reach to target audience,have to be doubly careful,in teir personal life more than anybody else.in this regard,i really appreciate our dravidian leaders,who are open as a book,in their sex lives,quiet publicly with gay abandon.
 
pannvalan,

individual wisdom,such a beautiful coinage of words.our folks today have more of collective wisdom or gumbaloda govinda attitude,and cheaply become judgemental in life.

romba romba unmaiyaana/ethaarthamaana pechu, nachi naga avargale..
 
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Lesson 18 from Living with Siva

Brahmacharya In Family Life

The observance of brahmacharya is perhaps the most essential aspect of a sound, spiritual culture. This is why in Saivism, boys and girls are taught the importance of remaining celibate until they are married. This creates healthy individuals, physically, emotionally and spiritually, generation after generation. There is a mystical reason. In virgin boys and girls, the psychic nadis, the astral nerve currents that extend out into and through their aura, have small hooks at the end. When a boy and girl marry, the hooks straighten out and the nadis are tied one to another, and they actually grow together. If the first sexual experience is premarital and virginity is broken, the hooks at the end of the nadis also straighten out, but there is nothing to grow onto if the partners do not marry. Then, when either partner marries someone else, the relationship is never as close as when a virgin boy and girl marry, because their nadis don't grow together in the same way. In cases such as this, they feel the need for intellectual stimuli and emotional stimuli to keep the marriage going.

Youth ask, "How should we regard members of the opposite sex?" Do not look at members of the opposite sex with any idea of sex or lust in mind. Do not indulge in admiring those of the opposite sex, or seeing one as more beautiful than another. Boys must foster the inner attitude that all young women are their sisters and all older women are their mother. Girls must foster the inner attitude that all young men are their brothers and all older men are their father. Do not attend movies that depict the base instincts of humans, nor read books or magazines of this nature. Above all, avoid pornography on the Internet, on TV and in any other media.

To be successful in brahmacharya, one naturally wants to avoid arousing the sex instincts. This is done by understanding and avoiding the eight successive phases: fantasy, glorification, flirtation, lustful glances, secret love talk, amorous longing, rendezvous and finally intercourse. Be very careful to mix only with good company--those who think and speak in a cultured way--so that the mind and emotions are not led astray and vital energies needed for study used up. Get plenty of physical exercise. This is very important, because exercise sublimates your instinctive drives and directs excess energy and the flow of blood into all parts of the body.

Brahmacharya means sexual continence, as was observed by Mahatma Gandhi in his later years and by other great souls throughout life. There is another form of sexual purity, though not truly brahmacharya, followed by faithful family people who have a normal sex life while raising a family. They are working toward the stage when they will take their brahmacharya vrata after sixty years of age. Thereafter they would live together as brother and sister, sleeping in separate bedrooms. During their married life, they control the forces of lust and regulate instinctive energies and thus prepare to take that vrata. But if they are unfaithful, flirtatious and loose in their thinking through life, they will not be inclined to take the vrata in later life.

Faithfulness in marriage means fidelity and much more. It includes mental faithfulness, non-flirtatiousness and modesty toward the opposite sex. A married man, for instance, should not hire a secretary who is more magnetic or more beautiful than his wife. Metaphysically, in the perfect family relationship, man and wife are, in a sense, creating a one nervous system for their joint spiritual progress, and all of their nadis are growing together over the years. If they break that faithfulness, they break the psychic, soul connections that are developing for their personal inner achievements. If one or the other of the partners does have an affair, this creates a psychic tug and pull on the nerve system of both spouses that will continue until the affair ends and long afterwards. Therefore, the principle of the containment of the sexual force and mental and emotional impulses is the spirit of brahmacharya, both for the single and married person.
 
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Lesson 19 from Living with Siva

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Rules for Serious People

For virtuous individuals who marry, their experiences with their partner are, again, free from lustful fantasies; and emotional involvement is only with their spouse. Yes, a normal sex life should be had between husband and wife, and no one else should be included in either one's mind or emotions. Never hugging, touching another's spouse or exciting the emotions; always dressing modestly, not in a sexually arousing way; not viewing sexually oriented or pornographic videos; not telling dirty jokes--all of these simple customs are traditional ways of upholding sexual purity. The yama of brahmacharya works in concert with asteya, nonstealing. Stealing or coveting another's spouse, even mentally, creates a force that, once generated, is difficult to stop.

In this day and age, when promiscuity is a way of life, there is great strength in married couples' understanding and applying the principles of sexual purity. If they obey these principles and are on the path of enlightenment, they will again become celibate later in life, as they were when they were young. These principles persist through life, and when their children are raised and the forces naturally become quiet, around age sixty, husband and wife take the brahmacharya vrata, live in separate rooms and prepare themselves for greater spiritual experiences.

Married persons uphold sexual purity by observing the eightfold celibacy toward everyone but their spouse. These are ideals for serious, spiritual people. For those who have nothing to do with spirituality, these laws are meaningless. We are assuming a situation of a couple where everything they do and all that happens in their life is oriented toward spiritual life and spiritual goals and, therefore, these principles do apply. For sexual purity, individuals must believe firmly in the path to enlightenment. They must have faith in higher powers than themselves. Without this, sexual purity is nearly impossible.

One of the fastest ways to destroy the stability of families and societies is through promiscuity, mental and/or physical, and the best way to maintain stability is through self-control. The world today has become increasingly unstable because of the mental, physical, emotional license that people have given to themselves. The generation that follows an era of promiscuity has a dearth of examples to follow and are even more unstable than their parents were when they began their promiscuous living. Stability for human society is based on morality, and morality is based on harnessing and controlling sexuality. The principles of brahmacharya should be learned well before puberty, so that the sexual feelings the young person then begins to experience are free of mental fantasies and emotional involvement. Once established in a young person, this control is expected to be carried out all through life. When a virgin boy and girl marry, they transfer the love they have for their parents to one another. The boy's attachment to his mother is transferred to his wife, and the girl's attachment to her father is transferred to her husband. She now becomes the mother. He now becomes the father. This does not mean they love their parents any less. This is why the parents have to be in good shape, to create the next generation of stable families. This is their dharmic duty. If they don't do it, they create all kinds of uncomely karmas for themselves to be faced at a later time.
 
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brilliant article renu,wish you would provide the link for rest of the advices of living with shiva.thnx.
 
dear nachi...

i dont really know the link becos i get daily newslettter form these organization..i attached the links in this article..

The Master Course

The lesson of the day from Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami's trilogy: Dancing with Siva, Living with Siva and Merging with Siva

Lesson 19

Sloka 19 from Dancing with Siva

What Is the Nature of the Primal Soul?

Parameshvara is the uncreated, ever-existent Primal Soul, Siva-Shakti, creator and supreme ruler of Mahadevas and beings of all three worlds. Abiding in His creation, our personal Lord rules from within, not from above. Aum.
Bhashya

Parameshvara, "Supreme Lord," Mother of the universe, is the eternal, sovereign one, worshiped by all the Gods and sentient beings. So loved is Siva-Shakti that all have an intimate relationship. So vast is His vastness, so over-powering is He that men cringe to transgress His will. So talked of is He that His name is on the lips of everyone--for He is the primal sound. Being the first and perfect form, God Siva in this third perfection of His being--the Primal Soul, the manifest and personal Lord--naturally creates souls in His image and likeness. To love God is to know God. To know God is to feel His love for you.
Lesson 19 from Living with Siva

Rules for Serious People

For virtuous individuals who marry, their experiences with their partner are, again, free from lustful fantasies; and emotional involvement is only with their spouse. Yes, a normal sex life should be had between husband and wife, and no one else should be included in either one's mind or emotions. Never hugging, touching another's spouse or exciting the emotions; always dressing modestly, not in a sexually arousing way; not viewing sexually oriented or pornographic videos; not telling dirty jokes--all of these simple customs are traditional ways of upholding sexual purity. The yama of brahmacharya works in concert with asteya, nonstealing. Stealing or coveting another's spouse, even mentally, creates a force that, once generated, is difficult to stop.

In this day and age, when promiscuity is a way of life, there is great strength in married couples' understanding and applying the principles of sexual purity. If they obey these principles and are on the path of enlightenment, they will again become celibate later in life, as they were when they were young. These principles persist through life, and when their children are raised and the forces naturally become quiet, around age sixty, husband and wife take the brahmacharya vrata, live in separate rooms and prepare themselves for greater spiritual experiences.

Married persons uphold sexual purity by observing the eightfold celibacy toward everyone but their spouse. These are ideals for serious, spiritual people. For those who have nothing to do with spirituality, these laws are meaningless. We are assuming a situation of a couple where everything they do and all that happens in their life is oriented toward spiritual life and spiritual goals and, therefore, these principles do apply. For sexual purity, individuals must believe firmly in the path to enlightenment. They must have faith in higher powers than themselves. Without this, sexual purity is nearly impossible.

One of the fastest ways to destroy the stability of families and societies is through promiscuity, mental and/or physical, and the best way to maintain stability is through self-control. The world today has become increasingly unstable because of the mental, physical, emotional license that people have given to themselves. The generation that follows an era of promiscuity has a dearth of examples to follow and are even more unstable than their parents were when they began their promiscuous living. Stability for human society is based on morality, and morality is based on harnessing and controlling sexuality. The principles of brahmacharya should be learned well before puberty, so that the sexual feelings the young person then begins to experience are free of mental fantasies and emotional involvement. Once established in a young person, this control is expected to be carried out all through life. When a virgin boy and girl marry, they transfer the love they have for their parents to one another. The boy's attachment to his mother is transferred to his wife, and the girl's attachment to her father is transferred to her husband. She now becomes the mother. He now becomes the father. This does not mean they love their parents any less. This is why the parents have to be in good shape, to create the next generation of stable families. This is their dharmic duty. If they don't do it, they create all kinds of uncomely karmas for themselves to be faced at a later time.


Sutra 19 of the Nandinatha Sutras

Guarding Against Instincts And Intellect

Those who live with Siva keep the mountaintop perspective that life on Earth is an opportunity for spiritual progress. They never lose sight of this truth by becoming infatuated with instinctive-intellectual pursuits. Aum.
Lesson 19 from Merging with Siva

The Habit of Being Constant


There are several ways we can make decisions, and there are guidelines to help us. There are basic principles that we can follow in life that other people have followed which helped guide their decisions along. It worked out fairly well, so we can follow basic principles, too. And we'll go in after a while to outlining some of these basic principles that help us make good, positive decisions, for we can learn by observing other people, the decisions they have made, the reactions and experiential patterns that follow. We can learn by observing other people.

The first faculty of the expression of the inner being of your immortal soul is the great power of observation, to learn through observation, as your individual awareness detaches itself from that which it is aware of. You have tremendous powers of observation, for you are a free spirit. You're just here on this planet to observe. And through your powers of observation, you can go through the experiential patterns of other people, by observing what they're going through, without having to go through them yourself. Some mystics live several lifetimes in one in this way.

Living by basic principles keeps awareness clean-cut, pure, direct and positive, out of the areas of the mind that are confused, unwholesome, unhealthy, areas that react back upon the nerve system of the physical nature. When we are clean-cut, our perceptions are precise. We make our decisions from an up-down point of view, and our path through life is guided by each decision that we make.

When we make a decision, it has its reaction. If we do not make a decision, that has a reaction too, for then decisions are made for us by circumstance, other people, situations or confusion. The confusion becomes so intense that finally we're forced into a decision. When we become accustomed to making one decision after another from an up-down point of view, our lives are guided in a systematic, positive, clean-cut, beautiful way. Who does the guiding? You do, with your awakened perceptive faculties.


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One day god willing,i will visit this shrine in Hawaii na ma si va ya , thnx renu.
 
checked my subscription for this too,in my dasboard,i guess i missed to check the box.i love the nandinatha sampradaya now swami velyanswami is actively promoting from hawaii,thnx renu,i could get this too apart from other valuable tamil litreatures.
 
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