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This is from my friend Mohan Iyer which is worth reproducing. Anyone who thinks India is secular and democratic must do some rethinking!
CONG LACKS OBC LEADERS – YOUR ARTICLE IN TNIE
14/4/08
You have not done your home work. According to NSSO,
the OBC population in India is around 30% only. The
fact remains that after 1911, no caste-based census
had been taken. OBC population has been estimated at
30% because, castes which were historically forward,
were added to the OBC list every year as a
vote-catching device.There were nearly 900 castes in
OBC initially and now there are more than 4000 castes
under OBC. In Tamilnadu, the entire kshatriyas, vysya
and sudras have come under OBC category. This is the
pattern in South India. If every state government in
our country, follows Tamilnadu pattern, then we will
become a country of backwards.
You are not aware of the fact that since indepdence to
the date of implementation of Mandals report, the
recruitment to Central Government was made under two
cataegories. SC/ST and GEN. All the OBCs were
recruited under GEN category.Now, we have the funny
spectacle of OBC father working in government under
GEN category and his son or daughter walking into the
professional colleges, under OBC cataegory.Since,
there are 4000 castes under OB C, if a caste-wise
census of employees in government is taken today, your
statistics will be consigned to dust-bin. Lies,
damn-lies and your statistics.
According to government of India report, SC/STs
constitute more than 26% of every layer in government,
including public sector undertakings. Whether, OBCs
can be far behind, given their political, economic and
muscle power.
Your support for creamy layer is amusing. Perhaps,
you must be a well-to-do OBC and you want your progeny
to enjoy the benefit of caste-based reservation to the
detriment of the poor and the down
trodden.jATS,marathas, vokkaligas, lingayats,
vanniyars, thevars, khammas, reddys, were once
princely clans and now they are OBCs.
In Tamilnadu, reservation has been in vogue since 1923
and now 100% of every activity is in the hands of
reserved category. Except, Jayalalitha, all the
ministers, MLAs, MPs etc, are from reserved category –
particularly the powerful OBCs.
The land holdings are in the hands of 3 to 4 powerful
OBCs – vanniars, thevars, gounders,moopanars etc. It
is the OBCs who burnt alive, 44 dalits, for asking 4
annas, increase in farm wages. This happened in a
village, called Kilvenmani. You can have the details
from the archives of any newspaper.
In the medical admissions, out of 2300 sets, less than
1% goes to OC and the rest goes to OBCs,SC/STs. This
is the story in engineering,agriculture, polytechnic
admissions etc.
It is very difficult to spot a FC in police,transport,
government secretariat, etc. It is sheer OBC
domination.
78% of the retail and whole sale trade, is controlled
by the MBC nadar – they constitute, less than 2% of
the population
The 50000 crore textile export industry is in the
hands of OBC gounders – they form less than 2% of the
population
The 30000 crore leather industry is in the hands of
muslims – who are minorities
90% of the educational institutions are controlled by
Christians. Both Christians and muslims enjoy
reservation as OBCs. Now the government has given
exclusive reservation to minorities.
In the recent law college admissions, almost 100% of
the seats were captured by OBCs and SC/STs through
merit and reservation.
In the posh residential schools in Ooty etc, the fees
come to around 10 lacs a year.Mind you, all the
students are OBCs
You can find OBCs coming in latest mobikes and cars,
to collect their stipend given by the government
Union Minister Anbumani is a qualified doctor. His
father, Ramdoss is also a qualified doctor. Anbumani
wants caste-based reservation without removal of
creamy layer, so that his children can walk into
medical colleges.
Karunanidhi is one of the richest persons in
tamilnadu. He and his family members control
politics. They are TV barons. All the family members
are enjoying the benefit of reservation as MBCs.
Naturally, Karuna does not want the removal of creamy
layer.
Mulayam singh’s son did his post-graduation in USA and
Mulayam does not want the removal of creamy layer
Lalu’s daughter took a gold medal in medicine and Lalu
wants the continuance of creamy layer.
Since caste alone is taken, we have the sorry
spectacle of doctors, engineers, lawyers, bank
officers, manager, MLAs, MPs, Ministers,
vice-chancellors, governors, judges, chief justices,
millionaires, billionairs etc, enjoying the benefi of
reservation to the detriment of the poor and down
trodden and you want creamy layer to continue.
Harvard educated Chidambaram, the race horse baron and
industrialist, MAM Ramasamy, the big industrialist
Mahalingam, to name a few, are enjoying the benefit of
reservations and you want creamy layer to continue.
Krishna, a vokkaliga of Karnataka, is an OBC so also
Yediyurappa of the BJP – he is an OBC lingayat and
both are chief ministerial candidates for Karnataka.
Sachin Pilot –an OBC was honest. He said that the
rich and the educated amongst OBC should not get
reservation benefits. But you opt for creamy layer.
Have you eever analysed the following information:
Tamilnadu, Kerala,Andhra,KARNATAKA,Bihar, Gujarat, MP,
Orissa,Maharashtra,Jharkant, Uttarakand,have OBC chief
ministers and J&K a muslim CM,Goa, North-east,
Arunachal etc, have minorities as CM, Punjab a sikh
minority as CM and Haryana, OBC jat as CM.
See, the muscle and political clout of OBCs – and you
talk about percentages without studying the subject
fully
You know, 90% of our media – both print and
electronic, is controlled by Christians, muslims and
commies
Maywati has gone on record saying that 7% of the
yadavs, are holding 78% of the police department
positions.
According to SC/ST commission, the maximum atrocities
on dalits,are inflicted by the powerful OBCs – year
after year.
If a cobbler, tailor, cook, porter, scavenger, stone
breaker, agricultural labourer, workers in the
contruction industry and people who are doing menial
jobs, cannot enjoy the benefit of reservation, then
where is social justice. OBCs are dominating every
field with their political and muscle and economic
power and they want to dominate the IITs, IIMs, and
other institutions, through caste-based reservation.
A news channel flashed a report that even without
reservation, 28% of the seats in elite institutions
are taken by OBCs on merit. You add 22% SC/ST
reservation to this and if you make 29% reservation
over and above the merit-based entry of OBCs, the
total percentage of OBC,ST-SCs work out to 79% and you
still want the retention of creamy layer.
One request – please do not misguide your readers. A
man or a woman takes to his or her profession for
which he or she, is best suited. You have become a
journalist. How? If by merit, then you have no locus
standi to criticize merit-based recruitment. If you
have come by reservation, then you are doing injustice
to a poor kurmi, irula, baduga, nari-kuruva, gujjar,
meena etc.
Harvard alone turns out, more than 50000 engineers
every year. If our IITs can turn out such numbers,
then who will bother about reservation. There is no
doubt that the present caste-based reservation, is
devisive and it is affecting the harmony amongst
Indians.
With best wishes,
Yours sincerely
N.Mohan.
P.S. I also request your goodself to read Gandhian
Dharampal's book, BEAUTIFUL TREE. You will be
astonished at the level of literacy of the OBCs prior
to the arrival of the British.
CONG LACKS OBC LEADERS – YOUR ARTICLE IN TNIE
14/4/08
You have not done your home work. According to NSSO,
the OBC population in India is around 30% only. The
fact remains that after 1911, no caste-based census
had been taken. OBC population has been estimated at
30% because, castes which were historically forward,
were added to the OBC list every year as a
vote-catching device.There were nearly 900 castes in
OBC initially and now there are more than 4000 castes
under OBC. In Tamilnadu, the entire kshatriyas, vysya
and sudras have come under OBC category. This is the
pattern in South India. If every state government in
our country, follows Tamilnadu pattern, then we will
become a country of backwards.
You are not aware of the fact that since indepdence to
the date of implementation of Mandals report, the
recruitment to Central Government was made under two
cataegories. SC/ST and GEN. All the OBCs were
recruited under GEN category.Now, we have the funny
spectacle of OBC father working in government under
GEN category and his son or daughter walking into the
professional colleges, under OBC cataegory.Since,
there are 4000 castes under OB C, if a caste-wise
census of employees in government is taken today, your
statistics will be consigned to dust-bin. Lies,
damn-lies and your statistics.
According to government of India report, SC/STs
constitute more than 26% of every layer in government,
including public sector undertakings. Whether, OBCs
can be far behind, given their political, economic and
muscle power.
Your support for creamy layer is amusing. Perhaps,
you must be a well-to-do OBC and you want your progeny
to enjoy the benefit of caste-based reservation to the
detriment of the poor and the down
trodden.jATS,marathas, vokkaligas, lingayats,
vanniyars, thevars, khammas, reddys, were once
princely clans and now they are OBCs.
In Tamilnadu, reservation has been in vogue since 1923
and now 100% of every activity is in the hands of
reserved category. Except, Jayalalitha, all the
ministers, MLAs, MPs etc, are from reserved category –
particularly the powerful OBCs.
The land holdings are in the hands of 3 to 4 powerful
OBCs – vanniars, thevars, gounders,moopanars etc. It
is the OBCs who burnt alive, 44 dalits, for asking 4
annas, increase in farm wages. This happened in a
village, called Kilvenmani. You can have the details
from the archives of any newspaper.
In the medical admissions, out of 2300 sets, less than
1% goes to OC and the rest goes to OBCs,SC/STs. This
is the story in engineering,agriculture, polytechnic
admissions etc.
It is very difficult to spot a FC in police,transport,
government secretariat, etc. It is sheer OBC
domination.
78% of the retail and whole sale trade, is controlled
by the MBC nadar – they constitute, less than 2% of
the population
The 50000 crore textile export industry is in the
hands of OBC gounders – they form less than 2% of the
population
The 30000 crore leather industry is in the hands of
muslims – who are minorities
90% of the educational institutions are controlled by
Christians. Both Christians and muslims enjoy
reservation as OBCs. Now the government has given
exclusive reservation to minorities.
In the recent law college admissions, almost 100% of
the seats were captured by OBCs and SC/STs through
merit and reservation.
In the posh residential schools in Ooty etc, the fees
come to around 10 lacs a year.Mind you, all the
students are OBCs
You can find OBCs coming in latest mobikes and cars,
to collect their stipend given by the government
Union Minister Anbumani is a qualified doctor. His
father, Ramdoss is also a qualified doctor. Anbumani
wants caste-based reservation without removal of
creamy layer, so that his children can walk into
medical colleges.
Karunanidhi is one of the richest persons in
tamilnadu. He and his family members control
politics. They are TV barons. All the family members
are enjoying the benefit of reservation as MBCs.
Naturally, Karuna does not want the removal of creamy
layer.
Mulayam singh’s son did his post-graduation in USA and
Mulayam does not want the removal of creamy layer
Lalu’s daughter took a gold medal in medicine and Lalu
wants the continuance of creamy layer.
Since caste alone is taken, we have the sorry
spectacle of doctors, engineers, lawyers, bank
officers, manager, MLAs, MPs, Ministers,
vice-chancellors, governors, judges, chief justices,
millionaires, billionairs etc, enjoying the benefi of
reservation to the detriment of the poor and down
trodden and you want creamy layer to continue.
Harvard educated Chidambaram, the race horse baron and
industrialist, MAM Ramasamy, the big industrialist
Mahalingam, to name a few, are enjoying the benefit of
reservations and you want creamy layer to continue.
Krishna, a vokkaliga of Karnataka, is an OBC so also
Yediyurappa of the BJP – he is an OBC lingayat and
both are chief ministerial candidates for Karnataka.
Sachin Pilot –an OBC was honest. He said that the
rich and the educated amongst OBC should not get
reservation benefits. But you opt for creamy layer.
Have you eever analysed the following information:
Tamilnadu, Kerala,Andhra,KARNATAKA,Bihar, Gujarat, MP,
Orissa,Maharashtra,Jharkant, Uttarakand,have OBC chief
ministers and J&K a muslim CM,Goa, North-east,
Arunachal etc, have minorities as CM, Punjab a sikh
minority as CM and Haryana, OBC jat as CM.
See, the muscle and political clout of OBCs – and you
talk about percentages without studying the subject
fully
You know, 90% of our media – both print and
electronic, is controlled by Christians, muslims and
commies
Maywati has gone on record saying that 7% of the
yadavs, are holding 78% of the police department
positions.
According to SC/ST commission, the maximum atrocities
on dalits,are inflicted by the powerful OBCs – year
after year.
If a cobbler, tailor, cook, porter, scavenger, stone
breaker, agricultural labourer, workers in the
contruction industry and people who are doing menial
jobs, cannot enjoy the benefit of reservation, then
where is social justice. OBCs are dominating every
field with their political and muscle and economic
power and they want to dominate the IITs, IIMs, and
other institutions, through caste-based reservation.
A news channel flashed a report that even without
reservation, 28% of the seats in elite institutions
are taken by OBCs on merit. You add 22% SC/ST
reservation to this and if you make 29% reservation
over and above the merit-based entry of OBCs, the
total percentage of OBC,ST-SCs work out to 79% and you
still want the retention of creamy layer.
One request – please do not misguide your readers. A
man or a woman takes to his or her profession for
which he or she, is best suited. You have become a
journalist. How? If by merit, then you have no locus
standi to criticize merit-based recruitment. If you
have come by reservation, then you are doing injustice
to a poor kurmi, irula, baduga, nari-kuruva, gujjar,
meena etc.
Harvard alone turns out, more than 50000 engineers
every year. If our IITs can turn out such numbers,
then who will bother about reservation. There is no
doubt that the present caste-based reservation, is
devisive and it is affecting the harmony amongst
Indians.
With best wishes,
Yours sincerely
N.Mohan.
P.S. I also request your goodself to read Gandhian
Dharampal's book, BEAUTIFUL TREE. You will be
astonished at the level of literacy of the OBCs prior
to the arrival of the British.
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Finally SC decided to give education to Ministers/Politicians OBC sons/Daughters.. These OBC people who are fighting in the lower lever dont know this funda like Minsters/Politicians/Industraliast sons/daughters only should study in IIT/IIM and other colleges.. We dont know When those people are going to wake and fight for the injustice to the common people even obc/Fc (non Bramins).. Next election UPA group will be back.. After that all the ministers convert to christians and muslims. Then the make the 100% Quota for Muslims and Christians.. very very funny
This is from my friend Mohan Iyer which is worth reproducing. Anyone who thinks India is secular and democratic must do some rethinking!
CONG LACKS OBC LEADERS – YOUR ARTICLE IN TNIE
14/4/08
You have not done your home work. According to NSSO,
the OBC population in India is around 30% only. The
fact remains that after 1911, no caste-based census
had been taken. OBC population has been estimated at
30% because, castes which were historically forward,
were added to the OBC list every year as a
vote-catching device.There were nearly 900 castes in
OBC initially and now there are more than 4000 castes
under OBC. In Tamilnadu, the entire kshatriyas, vysya
and sudras have come under OBC category. This is the
pattern in South India. If every state government in
our country, follows Tamilnadu pattern, then we will
become a country of backwards.
You are not aware of the fact that since indepdence to
the date of implementation of Mandals report, the
recruitment to Central Government was made under two
cataegories. SC/ST and GEN. All the OBCs were
recruited under GEN category.Now, we have the funny
spectacle of OBC father working in government under
GEN category and his son or daughter walking into the
professional colleges, under OBC cataegory.Since,
there are 4000 castes under OB C, if a caste-wise
census of employees in government is taken today, your
statistics will be consigned to dust-bin. Lies,
damn-lies and your statistics.
According to government of India report, SC/STs
constitute more than 26% of every layer in government,
including public sector undertakings. Whether, OBCs
can be far behind, given their political, economic and
muscle power.
Your support for creamy layer is amusing. Perhaps,
you must be a well-to-do OBC and you want your progeny
to enjoy the benefit of caste-based reservation to the
detriment of the poor and the down
trodden.jATS,marathas, vokkaligas, lingayats,
vanniyars, thevars, khammas, reddys, were once
princely clans and now they are OBCs.
In Tamilnadu, reservation has been in vogue since 1923
and now 100% of every activity is in the hands of
reserved category. Except, Jayalalitha, all the
ministers, MLAs, MPs etc, are from reserved category –
particularly the powerful OBCs.
The land holdings are in the hands of 3 to 4 powerful
OBCs – vanniars, thevars, gounders,moopanars etc. It
is the OBCs who burnt alive, 44 dalits, for asking 4
annas, increase in farm wages. This happened in a
village, called Kilvenmani. You can have the details
from the archives of any newspaper.
In the medical admissions, out of 2300 sets, less than
1% goes to OC and the rest goes to OBCs,SC/STs. This
is the story in engineering,agriculture, polytechnic
admissions etc.
It is very difficult to spot a FC in police,transport,
government secretariat, etc. It is sheer OBC
domination.
78% of the retail and whole sale trade, is controlled
by the MBC nadar – they constitute, less than 2% of
the population
The 50000 crore textile export industry is in the
hands of OBC gounders – they form less than 2% of the
population
The 30000 crore leather industry is in the hands of
muslims – who are minorities
90% of the educational institutions are controlled by
Christians. Both Christians and muslims enjoy
reservation as OBCs. Now the government has given
exclusive reservation to minorities.
In the recent law college admissions, almost 100% of
the seats were captured by OBCs and SC/STs through
merit and reservation.
In the posh residential schools in Ooty etc, the fees
come to around 10 lacs a year.Mind you, all the
students are OBCs
You can find OBCs coming in latest mobikes and cars,
to collect their stipend given by the government
Union Minister Anbumani is a qualified doctor. His
father, Ramdoss is also a qualified doctor. Anbumani
wants caste-based reservation without removal of
creamy layer, so that his children can walk into
medical colleges.
Karunanidhi is one of the richest persons in
tamilnadu. He and his family members control
politics. They are TV barons. All the family members
are enjoying the benefit of reservation as MBCs.
Naturally, Karuna does not want the removal of creamy
layer.
Mulayam singh’s son did his post-graduation in USA and
Mulayam does not want the removal of creamy layer
Lalu’s daughter took a gold medal in medicine and Lalu
wants the continuance of creamy layer.
Since caste alone is taken, we have the sorry
spectacle of doctors, engineers, lawyers, bank
officers, manager, MLAs, MPs, Ministers,
vice-chancellors, governors, judges, chief justices,
millionaires, billionairs etc, enjoying the benefi of
reservation to the detriment of the poor and down
trodden and you want creamy layer to continue.
Harvard educated Chidambaram, the race horse baron and
industrialist, MAM Ramasamy, the big industrialist
Mahalingam, to name a few, are enjoying the benefit of
reservations and you want creamy layer to continue.
Krishna, a vokkaliga of Karnataka, is an OBC so also
Yediyurappa of the BJP – he is an OBC lingayat and
both are chief ministerial candidates for Karnataka.
Sachin Pilot –an OBC was honest. He said that the
rich and the educated amongst OBC should not get
reservation benefits. But you opt for creamy layer.
Have you eever analysed the following information:
Tamilnadu, Kerala,Andhra,KARNATAKA,Bihar, Gujarat, MP,
Orissa,Maharashtra,Jharkant, Uttarakand,have OBC chief
ministers and J&K a muslim CM,Goa, North-east,
Arunachal etc, have minorities as CM, Punjab a sikh
minority as CM and Haryana, OBC jat as CM.
See, the muscle and political clout of OBCs – and you
talk about percentages without studying the subject
fully
You know, 90% of our media – both print and
electronic, is controlled by Christians, muslims and
commies
Maywati has gone on record saying that 7% of the
yadavs, are holding 78% of the police department
positions.
According to SC/ST commission, the maximum atrocities
on dalits,are inflicted by the powerful OBCs – year
after year.
If a cobbler, tailor, cook, porter, scavenger, stone
breaker, agricultural labourer, workers in the
contruction industry and people who are doing menial
jobs, cannot enjoy the benefit of reservation, then
where is social justice. OBCs are dominating every
field with their political and muscle and economic
power and they want to dominate the IITs, IIMs, and
other institutions, through caste-based reservation.
A news channel flashed a report that even without
reservation, 28% of the seats in elite institutions
are taken by OBCs on merit. You add 22% SC/ST
reservation to this and if you make 29% reservation
over and above the merit-based entry of OBCs, the
total percentage of OBC,ST-SCs work out to 79% and you
still want the retention of creamy layer.
One request – please do not misguide your readers. A
man or a woman takes to his or her profession for
which he or she, is best suited. You have become a
journalist. How? If by merit, then you have no locus
standi to criticize merit-based recruitment. If you
have come by reservation, then you are doing injustice
to a poor kurmi, irula, baduga, nari-kuruva, gujjar,
meena etc.
Harvard alone turns out, more than 50000 engineers
every year. If our IITs can turn out such numbers,
then who will bother about reservation. There is no
doubt that the present caste-based reservation, is
devisive and it is affecting the harmony amongst
Indians.
With best wishes,
Yours sincerely
N.Mohan.
P.S. I also request your goodself to read Gandhian
Dharampal's book, BEAUTIFUL TREE. You will be
astonished at the level of literacy of the OBCs prior
to the arrival of the British.
Then who are FC's Only bramins or any other casts included
This is from my friend Mohan Iyer which is worth reproducing. Anyone who thinks India is secular and democratic must do some rethinking!
CONG LACKS OBC LEADERS – YOUR ARTICLE IN TNIE
14/4/08
You have not done your home work. According to NSSO,
the OBC population in India is around 30% only. The
fact remains that after 1911, no caste-based census
had been taken. OBC population has been estimated at
30% because, castes which were historically forward,
were added to the OBC list every year as a
vote-catching device.There were nearly 900 castes in
OBC initially and now there are more than 4000 castes
under OBC. In Tamilnadu, the entire kshatriyas, vysya
and sudras have come under OBC category. This is the
pattern in South India. If every state government in
our country, follows Tamilnadu pattern, then we will
become a country of backwards.
You are not aware of the fact that since indepdence to
the date of implementation of Mandals report, the
recruitment to Central Government was made under two
cataegories. SC/ST and GEN. All the OBCs were
recruited under GEN category.Now, we have the funny
spectacle of OBC father working in government under
GEN category and his son or daughter walking into the
professional colleges, under OBC cataegory.Since,
there are 4000 castes under OB C, if a caste-wise
census of employees in government is taken today, your
statistics will be consigned to dust-bin. Lies,
damn-lies and your statistics.
According to government of India report, SC/STs
constitute more than 26% of every layer in government,
including public sector undertakings. Whether, OBCs
can be far behind, given their political, economic and
muscle power.
Your support for creamy layer is amusing. Perhaps,
you must be a well-to-do OBC and you want your progeny
to enjoy the benefit of caste-based reservation to the
detriment of the poor and the down
trodden.jATS,marathas, vokkaligas, lingayats,
vanniyars, thevars, khammas, reddys, were once
princely clans and now they are OBCs.
In Tamilnadu, reservation has been in vogue since 1923
and now 100% of every activity is in the hands of
reserved category. Except, Jayalalitha, all the
ministers, MLAs, MPs etc, are from reserved category –
particularly the powerful OBCs.
The land holdings are in the hands of 3 to 4 powerful
OBCs – vanniars, thevars, gounders,moopanars etc. It
is the OBCs who burnt alive, 44 dalits, for asking 4
annas, increase in farm wages. This happened in a
village, called Kilvenmani. You can have the details
from the archives of any newspaper.
In the medical admissions, out of 2300 sets, less than
1% goes to OC and the rest goes to OBCs,SC/STs. This
is the story in engineering,agriculture, polytechnic
admissions etc.
It is very difficult to spot a FC in police,transport,
government secretariat, etc. It is sheer OBC
domination.
78% of the retail and whole sale trade, is controlled
by the MBC nadar – they constitute, less than 2% of
the population
The 50000 crore textile export industry is in the
hands of OBC gounders – they form less than 2% of the
population
The 30000 crore leather industry is in the hands of
muslims – who are minorities
90% of the educational institutions are controlled by
Christians. Both Christians and muslims enjoy
reservation as OBCs. Now the government has given
exclusive reservation to minorities.
In the recent law college admissions, almost 100% of
the seats were captured by OBCs and SC/STs through
merit and reservation.
In the posh residential schools in Ooty etc, the fees
come to around 10 lacs a year.Mind you, all the
students are OBCs
You can find OBCs coming in latest mobikes and cars,
to collect their stipend given by the government
Union Minister Anbumani is a qualified doctor. His
father, Ramdoss is also a qualified doctor. Anbumani
wants caste-based reservation without removal of
creamy layer, so that his children can walk into
medical colleges.
Karunanidhi is one of the richest persons in
tamilnadu. He and his family members control
politics. They are TV barons. All the family members
are enjoying the benefit of reservation as MBCs.
Naturally, Karuna does not want the removal of creamy
layer.
Mulayam singh’s son did his post-graduation in USA and
Mulayam does not want the removal of creamy layer
Lalu’s daughter took a gold medal in medicine and Lalu
wants the continuance of creamy layer.
Since caste alone is taken, we have the sorry
spectacle of doctors, engineers, lawyers, bank
officers, manager, MLAs, MPs, Ministers,
vice-chancellors, governors, judges, chief justices,
millionaires, billionairs etc, enjoying the benefi of
reservation to the detriment of the poor and down
trodden and you want creamy layer to continue.
Harvard educated Chidambaram, the race horse baron and
industrialist, MAM Ramasamy, the big industrialist
Mahalingam, to name a few, are enjoying the benefit of
reservations and you want creamy layer to continue.
Krishna, a vokkaliga of Karnataka, is an OBC so also
Yediyurappa of the BJP – he is an OBC lingayat and
both are chief ministerial candidates for Karnataka.
Sachin Pilot –an OBC was honest. He said that the
rich and the educated amongst OBC should not get
reservation benefits. But you opt for creamy layer.
Have you eever analysed the following information:
Tamilnadu, Kerala,Andhra,KARNATAKA,Bihar, Gujarat, MP,
Orissa,Maharashtra,Jharkant, Uttarakand,have OBC chief
ministers and J&K a muslim CM,Goa, North-east,
Arunachal etc, have minorities as CM, Punjab a sikh
minority as CM and Haryana, OBC jat as CM.
See, the muscle and political clout of OBCs – and you
talk about percentages without studying the subject
fully
You know, 90% of our media – both print and
electronic, is controlled by Christians, muslims and
commies
Maywati has gone on record saying that 7% of the
yadavs, are holding 78% of the police department
positions.
According to SC/ST commission, the maximum atrocities
on dalits,are inflicted by the powerful OBCs – year
after year.
If a cobbler, tailor, cook, porter, scavenger, stone
breaker, agricultural labourer, workers in the
contruction industry and people who are doing menial
jobs, cannot enjoy the benefit of reservation, then
where is social justice. OBCs are dominating every
field with their political and muscle and economic
power and they want to dominate the IITs, IIMs, and
other institutions, through caste-based reservation.
A news channel flashed a report that even without
reservation, 28% of the seats in elite institutions
are taken by OBCs on merit. You add 22% SC/ST
reservation to this and if you make 29% reservation
over and above the merit-based entry of OBCs, the
total percentage of OBC,ST-SCs work out to 79% and you
still want the retention of creamy layer.
One request – please do not misguide your readers. A
man or a woman takes to his or her profession for
which he or she, is best suited. You have become a
journalist. How? If by merit, then you have no locus
standi to criticize merit-based recruitment. If you
have come by reservation, then you are doing injustice
to a poor kurmi, irula, baduga, nari-kuruva, gujjar,
meena etc.
Harvard alone turns out, more than 50000 engineers
every year. If our IITs can turn out such numbers,
then who will bother about reservation. There is no
doubt that the present caste-based reservation, is
devisive and it is affecting the harmony amongst
Indians.
With best wishes,
Yours sincerely
N.Mohan.
P.S. I also request your goodself to read Gandhian
Dharampal's book, BEAUTIFUL TREE. You will be
astonished at the level of literacy of the OBCs prior
to the arrival of the British.
As per my understand we iyengars and iyers living in other states except Tamil Nadu/AP/Kerala/Karnataka are consider as OBC. So we can enjoy the Quota System in other states..
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Quota in private institutions: Govt's move unlawful
Abraham Thomas | New Delhi (Pioneer, April 14, 2008)
Bhandari verdict a hurdle for UPA
Once quota for Other Backward Classes is approved for Central educational institutions, the Government "will likely target" private unaided institutions.
This prediction by a judge in the five-member Constitution Bench of the Supreme Court that recently upheld the OBC quota law in Central educational institutions has assumed significance with the Congress declaring on Saturday that the Government will now bring private unaided institutions under quota umbrella.
Justice Dalveer Bhandari held that reservation in private unaided institution is violative of basic structure of the Constitution and hence unconstitutional. Justice Bhandari's comments are significant because the remaining four judges on the Bench left the question open to decide in another appropriate petition filed by an affected unaided institution.
On an issue other judges preferred to skip, Justice Bhandari saw reason to decide. He said, "The Government will likely target unaided institutions in the future. At that time, this Court will have to go through this entire exercise de novo.... Therefore, looking to the extraordinary facts, I have decided to proceed with this aspect of the matter in the larger public interest."
Justice Bhandari held, "Imposing reservation on unaided institutions violates the basic structure by obliterating citizens' Article 19(1)(g) right to carry on an occupation (an essential fundamental right)."
While the Government could afford to ignore the single judge's view being in minority, the fact that other judges have left the question open is indeed a cause of worry. In his reasoning, Justice Bhandari relied upon previous judgements of the Supreme Court delivered by an eleven-judge Bench in TMA Pai Foundation case (2002) further affirmed by a seven-judge Bench in PA Inamdar case as recently in 2005.
Quoting Pai, the single judge held, "Selecting students or employees goes to the heart of an organisation's autonomy. The essence of an unaided educational institution is the freedom to manage its affairs."
If the Government was to impose reservation in private unaided institutions, Justice Bhandari visualised four major problems that would occur. "At least four problems will likely arise: One, academic standards suffer; Two, attracting and retaining good faculty becomes more difficult; Three, the incentive to establish a first rate unaided institution is diminished; and ultimately the global reputation of our unaided institutions is severely compromised."
Cementing his views with the Inamdar decision, Justice Bhandari said, "The State cannot impose quotas on unaided institutions. To do so would nationalise seats." He even quoted portion from Inamdar judgment that said, "The State cannot insist on private educational institutions which receive no aid from the State to implement State's policy on reservation for granting admission on lesser percentage of marks, i.e., on any criterion except merit."
In conclusion, the single judge was quick to add a caveat assuming that the non-inclusion of unaided institutions from the reservation ambit under the Central Educational Institutions (Reservation in Admissions) Act 2007 speaks about the legislature's understanding of the Pai and Inamdar judgement. Yet, with political rumblings proving it a farce, the single judge's note of caution is sufficient indicator to order a rethink.
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Abraham Thomas | New Delhi (Pioneer, April 14, 2008)
Bhandari verdict a hurdle for UPA
Once quota for Other Backward Classes is approved for Central educational institutions, the Government "will likely target" private unaided institutions.
This prediction by a judge in the five-member Constitution Bench of the Supreme Court that recently upheld the OBC quota law in Central educational institutions has assumed significance with the Congress declaring on Saturday that the Government will now bring private unaided institutions under quota umbrella.
Justice Dalveer Bhandari held that reservation in private unaided institution is violative of basic structure of the Constitution and hence unconstitutional. Justice Bhandari's comments are significant because the remaining four judges on the Bench left the question open to decide in another appropriate petition filed by an affected unaided institution.
On an issue other judges preferred to skip, Justice Bhandari saw reason to decide. He said, "The Government will likely target unaided institutions in the future. At that time, this Court will have to go through this entire exercise de novo.... Therefore, looking to the extraordinary facts, I have decided to proceed with this aspect of the matter in the larger public interest."
Justice Bhandari held, "Imposing reservation on unaided institutions violates the basic structure by obliterating citizens' Article 19(1)(g) right to carry on an occupation (an essential fundamental right)."
While the Government could afford to ignore the single judge's view being in minority, the fact that other judges have left the question open is indeed a cause of worry. In his reasoning, Justice Bhandari relied upon previous judgements of the Supreme Court delivered by an eleven-judge Bench in TMA Pai Foundation case (2002) further affirmed by a seven-judge Bench in PA Inamdar case as recently in 2005.
Quoting Pai, the single judge held, "Selecting students or employees goes to the heart of an organisation's autonomy. The essence of an unaided educational institution is the freedom to manage its affairs."
If the Government was to impose reservation in private unaided institutions, Justice Bhandari visualised four major problems that would occur. "At least four problems will likely arise: One, academic standards suffer; Two, attracting and retaining good faculty becomes more difficult; Three, the incentive to establish a first rate unaided institution is diminished; and ultimately the global reputation of our unaided institutions is severely compromised."
Cementing his views with the Inamdar decision, Justice Bhandari said, "The State cannot impose quotas on unaided institutions. To do so would nationalise seats." He even quoted portion from Inamdar judgment that said, "The State cannot insist on private educational institutions which receive no aid from the State to implement State's policy on reservation for granting admission on lesser percentage of marks, i.e., on any criterion except merit."
In conclusion, the single judge was quick to add a caveat assuming that the non-inclusion of unaided institutions from the reservation ambit under the Central Educational Institutions (Reservation in Admissions) Act 2007 speaks about the legislature's understanding of the Pai and Inamdar judgement. Yet, with political rumblings proving it a farce, the single judge's note of caution is sufficient indicator to order a rethink.
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As per my observation, We FC and Bramin People are Economically and Socially poor.This is very sad, Every this is god wish in kaliyuga.One day this sunami will come and take those people. I guess OBC people might ask sunami to implement Quota in Death also.
OBC quotas in medical institutes from this session
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OBC quotas in medical institutes from this session
17 Apr 2008, 1855 hrs IST,PTI
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NEW DELHI: The 27 per cent OBC quota will be implemented in Central government-run medical institutes over a period of two years with 18 per cent seats reserved for the backward castes students in such higher learning centres in this academic session.
The decision has been taken at a meeting of the heads of all institutes with Union Health and Family Welfare Minister Anbumani Ramadoss here.
The institutes include the All India Institute of Medical Sciences, New Delhi, PGI, Chandigarh, JIPMER, Puducherry, Ram Manohar Lohia and Lady Hardinge Medical Colleges in Delhi, official sources said.
In view of the inadequate infrastructure available, the institutes have decided to implement only around 70 per cent of the total 27 per cent of the OBC quota from this year, they said.
Ramadoss directed all the institutes to submit their requirements to increase the infrastructure to the Expenditure Finance Committee by April 25.
The heads of the institutes said within the next two years, the entire 27 per cent quota could be implemented.
The Minister also asked the heads of the institutes to write letters to various universities to which they are affiliated to seeking permission to increase the total number of seats in view of the implementation of the OBC quota.
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OBC quotas in medical institutes from this session
17 Apr 2008, 1855 hrs IST,PTI
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NEW DELHI: The 27 per cent OBC quota will be implemented in Central government-run medical institutes over a period of two years with 18 per cent seats reserved for the backward castes students in such higher learning centres in this academic session.
The decision has been taken at a meeting of the heads of all institutes with Union Health and Family Welfare Minister Anbumani Ramadoss here.
The institutes include the All India Institute of Medical Sciences, New Delhi, PGI, Chandigarh, JIPMER, Puducherry, Ram Manohar Lohia and Lady Hardinge Medical Colleges in Delhi, official sources said.
In view of the inadequate infrastructure available, the institutes have decided to implement only around 70 per cent of the total 27 per cent of the OBC quota from this year, they said.
Ramadoss directed all the institutes to submit their requirements to increase the infrastructure to the Expenditure Finance Committee by April 25.
The heads of the institutes said within the next two years, the entire 27 per cent quota could be implemented.
The Minister also asked the heads of the institutes to write letters to various universities to which they are affiliated to seeking permission to increase the total number of seats in view of the implementation of the OBC quota.
Arjun's quota 'contribution' has few takers in PMO
16 Apr 2008, 0236 hrs IST,TNN
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NEW DELHI: While HRD minister Arjun Singh's efforts to kickstart the "Rahul Gandhi-for-PM" project has not cut much ice with the Congress leadership, his "success" in steering the OBC quota in centrally-supported institutions of higher education is also being passed under the scanner.
There is a view, particularly in PMO, that Arjun Singh's role in getting the quota through the Supreme Court is somewhat over-stated.
The SC nod was not unexpected given that reservations for OBCs in jobs has constitutional sanction. The real test had been the contentious creamy layer that Arjun Singh had thrown his weight behind.
Here, the government failed to move the SC. Pro-OBC chieftains in the UPA had wanted the inclusion of the creamy layer, but not only had the SC struck this down, the judgment delivered virtually ruled out the government's options in terms of remedial action.
The SC ruling that benefits for creamy layer went against basic structure of the Constitution ensured this.
With a truncated quota, feel PMO sources, there is little for Arjun Singh to claim to have wrested from the SC.
Congress's OBC MPs are pleased that the minister put quotas in education on the political agenda, but even they feel that the Centre has not been able to influence the SC order.
Apart from the creamy layer, a section feels that SC has opened the doors to a debate on whether quotas will apply to post-graduate courses.
The UPA is due to discuss the judgment but even if the coalition asks for a review, there is a concern that more action in the courts will delay the quota rollout. In fact, even now institutions are awaiting orders from the HRD ministry.
For example, with just weeks to go for the IIT results, how some 1,700-odd seats will be added is unclear.
The HRD minister's bid to both claim credit for quotas and embarrass the PM by championing Rahul's cause are seen to be part of the canny Thakur leader's political calculations.
The minister would seem to believe that given the centrality of the Gandhis to Congress, his plea that Rahul be projected as PM was bound to generate willing echoes all around.
By leveraging his prominence due to quotas, the HRD minister has once again revealed his barely disguised disdain for the PM.
As was the case when he reluctantly accepted P V Narasimha Rao as PM in 1991, the minister clearly feels that the current incumbent is not the best man for the top job. He has not bothered to be particularly subtle either.
His detractors feel that the party made a mistake in re-nominating him to the Rajya Sabha, but others point out that not doing so would have been read as a move to "punish" the minister for having backed quotas.
While the minister may have succeeded in making the PM squirm, he does not seem to have won too many new friends in the party even as 10, Janpath does not seem very amused with his latest capers.
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NEW DELHI: While HRD minister Arjun Singh's efforts to kickstart the "Rahul Gandhi-for-PM" project has not cut much ice with the Congress leadership, his "success" in steering the OBC quota in centrally-supported institutions of higher education is also being passed under the scanner.
There is a view, particularly in PMO, that Arjun Singh's role in getting the quota through the Supreme Court is somewhat over-stated.
The SC nod was not unexpected given that reservations for OBCs in jobs has constitutional sanction. The real test had been the contentious creamy layer that Arjun Singh had thrown his weight behind.
Here, the government failed to move the SC. Pro-OBC chieftains in the UPA had wanted the inclusion of the creamy layer, but not only had the SC struck this down, the judgment delivered virtually ruled out the government's options in terms of remedial action.
The SC ruling that benefits for creamy layer went against basic structure of the Constitution ensured this.
With a truncated quota, feel PMO sources, there is little for Arjun Singh to claim to have wrested from the SC.
Congress's OBC MPs are pleased that the minister put quotas in education on the political agenda, but even they feel that the Centre has not been able to influence the SC order.
Apart from the creamy layer, a section feels that SC has opened the doors to a debate on whether quotas will apply to post-graduate courses.
The UPA is due to discuss the judgment but even if the coalition asks for a review, there is a concern that more action in the courts will delay the quota rollout. In fact, even now institutions are awaiting orders from the HRD ministry.
For example, with just weeks to go for the IIT results, how some 1,700-odd seats will be added is unclear.
The HRD minister's bid to both claim credit for quotas and embarrass the PM by championing Rahul's cause are seen to be part of the canny Thakur leader's political calculations.
The minister would seem to believe that given the centrality of the Gandhis to Congress, his plea that Rahul be projected as PM was bound to generate willing echoes all around.
By leveraging his prominence due to quotas, the HRD minister has once again revealed his barely disguised disdain for the PM.
As was the case when he reluctantly accepted P V Narasimha Rao as PM in 1991, the minister clearly feels that the current incumbent is not the best man for the top job. He has not bothered to be particularly subtle either.
His detractors feel that the party made a mistake in re-nominating him to the Rajya Sabha, but others point out that not doing so would have been read as a move to "punish" the minister for having backed quotas.
While the minister may have succeeded in making the PM squirm, he does not seem to have won too many new friends in the party even as 10, Janpath does not seem very amused with his latest capers.
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Editorial: Second thoughts
Business Standard / New Delhi April 16, 2008
It is time for second thoughts with regard to the Supreme Court judgment on 27 per cent reservation for the Other Backward Castes. All those, including this newspaper, that concluded in the first flush that this was a victory for the OBCs, have to think again because the riders that the Court has put in place could end up creating an end-result that is quite different from what Arjun Singh may have imagined. For starters, a state like Tamil Nadu has had in place total seat reservations that well exceed the court-stipulated limit of 50 per cent, a limit that has now been underlined by the court judgment. This could well mean that if someone challenges the reservation policy followed in Tamil Nadu, the Court will strike it down. The important point made by the Court is that reservation that crosses the 50 per cent mark violates the “basic structure” of the Constitution. And since it is a Constitutional Bench that is saying so, it is the final word on the matter, and any further Constitutional amendment that tries to get past this limit will therefore be struck down. Then there is the issue of de-barring the creamy layer, which is what has attracted a lot of attention since last week’s judgment. Again, the majority of judges sitting on a Constitutional Bench has sanctified the idea of the creamy layer and its debarment; it has also more or less cast in stone the existing definition of that creamy layer — which therefore will exclude most of the privileged segments of society. The only leeway provided is for adjusting the income yardstick, in order to recognise inflation and economic growth, and any such adjustment will therefore have to stay within the limits of rationality. The logic of this position is clear and in fact unexceptionable — if the issue is making it up to people for historical repression, then those who have already pulled themselves out of the repressed category should not lay claim to benefits that should rightfully go to those still suffering from the effects of past wrongs. It must be presumed that these principles will apply, not just to seats in educational institutions run or funded by the Central government, but also to all other educational categories and to jobs as well. In other words, what the Court has done is to define the limits and the criteria for applying reservation. Having gone so far, the Court has taken the further step of stating that even for the non-creamy layer, the benefits of reservation should be restricted to a reasonable relaxation of the qualifying criteria, not their wholesale discarding. Anecdotal evidence suggests that, for admission to elite institutions, a relaxation of 5-10 percentage marks will probably help fill the allotted quotas, but that may not be true in all cases. And since it is a settled matter that, if the reserved categories expand, then the total number of seats on offer must be similarly expanded so that the non-reserved seats do not shrink in number, any failure to fill the quotas will mean that the unfilled seats become available to the general category — which then becomes the net beneficiary! These positions may irk politicians who want to ride the OBC wagon, but the Court’s position on the key issues is quite logical. If the end-result is to benefit the OBCs, politicians and policy-makers have to do the hard work. As has become clear during the year-long debate on the issue, the hard work involves improving OBC access to school education so that there are enough qualified candidates for university seats (which today is not the case). But the experience of several decades shows that politicians are more keen on announcing reservations than on making sure that the reservations work as designed. That is the challenge that remains. The issue is not a legal one, it is political and administrative in nature.
Editorial: Second thoughts
Business Standard / New Delhi April 16, 2008
It is time for second thoughts with regard to the Supreme Court judgment on 27 per cent reservation for the Other Backward Castes. All those, including this newspaper, that concluded in the first flush that this was a victory for the OBCs, have to think again because the riders that the Court has put in place could end up creating an end-result that is quite different from what Arjun Singh may have imagined. For starters, a state like Tamil Nadu has had in place total seat reservations that well exceed the court-stipulated limit of 50 per cent, a limit that has now been underlined by the court judgment. This could well mean that if someone challenges the reservation policy followed in Tamil Nadu, the Court will strike it down. The important point made by the Court is that reservation that crosses the 50 per cent mark violates the “basic structure” of the Constitution. And since it is a Constitutional Bench that is saying so, it is the final word on the matter, and any further Constitutional amendment that tries to get past this limit will therefore be struck down. Then there is the issue of de-barring the creamy layer, which is what has attracted a lot of attention since last week’s judgment. Again, the majority of judges sitting on a Constitutional Bench has sanctified the idea of the creamy layer and its debarment; it has also more or less cast in stone the existing definition of that creamy layer — which therefore will exclude most of the privileged segments of society. The only leeway provided is for adjusting the income yardstick, in order to recognise inflation and economic growth, and any such adjustment will therefore have to stay within the limits of rationality. The logic of this position is clear and in fact unexceptionable — if the issue is making it up to people for historical repression, then those who have already pulled themselves out of the repressed category should not lay claim to benefits that should rightfully go to those still suffering from the effects of past wrongs. It must be presumed that these principles will apply, not just to seats in educational institutions run or funded by the Central government, but also to all other educational categories and to jobs as well. In other words, what the Court has done is to define the limits and the criteria for applying reservation. Having gone so far, the Court has taken the further step of stating that even for the non-creamy layer, the benefits of reservation should be restricted to a reasonable relaxation of the qualifying criteria, not their wholesale discarding. Anecdotal evidence suggests that, for admission to elite institutions, a relaxation of 5-10 percentage marks will probably help fill the allotted quotas, but that may not be true in all cases. And since it is a settled matter that, if the reserved categories expand, then the total number of seats on offer must be similarly expanded so that the non-reserved seats do not shrink in number, any failure to fill the quotas will mean that the unfilled seats become available to the general category — which then becomes the net beneficiary! These positions may irk politicians who want to ride the OBC wagon, but the Court’s position on the key issues is quite logical. If the end-result is to benefit the OBCs, politicians and policy-makers have to do the hard work. As has become clear during the year-long debate on the issue, the hard work involves improving OBC access to school education so that there are enough qualified candidates for university seats (which today is not the case). But the experience of several decades shows that politicians are more keen on announcing reservations than on making sure that the reservations work as designed. That is the challenge that remains. The issue is not a legal one, it is political and administrative in nature.
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DMK picks cronies for varsities
Saturday April 19 2008 10:03 IST K N Arun
CHENNAI: THE ruling DMK appointing those with party links as Vice Chancellors of the universities in the state, has caused concern among the academic circles.
The appointment of Karpaga Kumaravel, son-in-law of Cooperation Minister Ko Si Mani, as the VC of Madurai Kamaraj University and the likely appointment of Prof Sabapathi Mohan as the VC of Manonmaniam Sundaranar University, have brought the issue into sharp focus.
'It is not as if they do not have the credentials, but their selections were definitely influenced by the ruling party links. Previous governments did resort to such appointments, but this has become the norm now,' said a professor at Madras University.
Academics point out that at least five of the eight VCs appointed since the DMK came to power have either direct links with the party or party bigwigs. 'When all credentials are equal or almost equal, this factor swings the matter in their favour,' an academic in Manomaniam Sundaranar University said.
For instance, Association of University Teachers members point to Karppaga Kumaravel, HoD, Education Technology at Bharathidasan University, who has been a professor for less than nine years. He had been a lecturer, before being appointed a professor, just a little over a year after he got his PhD.
That was in 1999, when the DMK was in power. Sabapathi Mohan was heading the political research wing of the MDMK. He resigned his post in Annamalai University and contested the 1998 LS polls and the 2006 State polls. Later, he defected to the DMK.
Of the other V-Cs appointed by the DMK, G Thiruvasagam (Bharathiar University) is considered close to MK Azhagiri, M Thangaraj (Periyar University) to Agriculture Minister Veerapandi Arumugam and S Ramachandran (Madras University) to Union Minister T R Baalu.
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Saturday April 19 2008 10:03 IST K N Arun
CHENNAI: THE ruling DMK appointing those with party links as Vice Chancellors of the universities in the state, has caused concern among the academic circles.
The appointment of Karpaga Kumaravel, son-in-law of Cooperation Minister Ko Si Mani, as the VC of Madurai Kamaraj University and the likely appointment of Prof Sabapathi Mohan as the VC of Manonmaniam Sundaranar University, have brought the issue into sharp focus.
'It is not as if they do not have the credentials, but their selections were definitely influenced by the ruling party links. Previous governments did resort to such appointments, but this has become the norm now,' said a professor at Madras University.
Academics point out that at least five of the eight VCs appointed since the DMK came to power have either direct links with the party or party bigwigs. 'When all credentials are equal or almost equal, this factor swings the matter in their favour,' an academic in Manomaniam Sundaranar University said.
For instance, Association of University Teachers members point to Karppaga Kumaravel, HoD, Education Technology at Bharathidasan University, who has been a professor for less than nine years. He had been a lecturer, before being appointed a professor, just a little over a year after he got his PhD.
That was in 1999, when the DMK was in power. Sabapathi Mohan was heading the political research wing of the MDMK. He resigned his post in Annamalai University and contested the 1998 LS polls and the 2006 State polls. Later, he defected to the DMK.
Of the other V-Cs appointed by the DMK, G Thiruvasagam (Bharathiar University) is considered close to MK Azhagiri, M Thangaraj (Periyar University) to Agriculture Minister Veerapandi Arumugam and S Ramachandran (Madras University) to Union Minister T R Baalu.
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Unabashed opportunists!
'PMK to fight for removal of creamy layer concept in quota'
New Delhi, April 19: PMK, a constituent of the UPA government at the Centre, today said it would fight for the removal of the creamy layer concept in reservation for OBCs in higher education and demanded a Constitutional amendment for the purpose.
Terming the reservation in higher educational institutions as "first victory," PMK leader S Ramadoss told reporters his party wanted the government to take action to drop the very idea of creamy layer from the purview of the reservation policy.
Noting that the 27 per cent reservation in jobs was not effective because of the creamy layer concept, he said the experience showed that the number of OBCs in Central government jobs had actually declined and this should not happen in the education field too.
Ramadoss said he had explained this to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and UPA Chairperson Sonia Gandhi yesterday.
The Prime Minister assured him that the government would implement the policy of 27 per cent reservation as directed by the Supreme Court and appropriate action would be taken to deal with the concept of creamy layer, he said.
Ramadoss claimed that Singh agreed with the view that by including creamy layer in the purview of reservation, the objective of social justice could not be achieved.
The PMK wanted a Constitutional amendment to ensure that creamy layer was not excluded from the purview of reservation and this should be put in the Ninth Schedule so that it could not be questioned, he added.
Ramadoss said his party did not want one more year to be wasted on the OBC reservation in elite educational institutions and agreed for the government's suggestion. PMK MP M Ramadoss said that he had already given a notice in the Lok Sabha for a discussion on the reservation issue and added "we will work together for the removal of the creamy layer concept".
PMK also proposed to take up with the government the issue of providing reservation in private sector educational institutions of higher learning, he said.
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Published: Saturday, April 19, 2008
'PMK to fight for removal of creamy layer concept in quota'
New Delhi, April 19: PMK, a constituent of the UPA government at the Centre, today said it would fight for the removal of the creamy layer concept in reservation for OBCs in higher education and demanded a Constitutional amendment for the purpose.
Terming the reservation in higher educational institutions as "first victory," PMK leader S Ramadoss told reporters his party wanted the government to take action to drop the very idea of creamy layer from the purview of the reservation policy.
Noting that the 27 per cent reservation in jobs was not effective because of the creamy layer concept, he said the experience showed that the number of OBCs in Central government jobs had actually declined and this should not happen in the education field too.
Ramadoss said he had explained this to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and UPA Chairperson Sonia Gandhi yesterday.
The Prime Minister assured him that the government would implement the policy of 27 per cent reservation as directed by the Supreme Court and appropriate action would be taken to deal with the concept of creamy layer, he said.
Ramadoss claimed that Singh agreed with the view that by including creamy layer in the purview of reservation, the objective of social justice could not be achieved.
The PMK wanted a Constitutional amendment to ensure that creamy layer was not excluded from the purview of reservation and this should be put in the Ninth Schedule so that it could not be questioned, he added.
Ramadoss said his party did not want one more year to be wasted on the OBC reservation in elite educational institutions and agreed for the government's suggestion. PMK MP M Ramadoss said that he had already given a notice in the Lok Sabha for a discussion on the reservation issue and added "we will work together for the removal of the creamy layer concept".
PMK also proposed to take up with the government the issue of providing reservation in private sector educational institutions of higher learning, he said.
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Published: Saturday, April 19, 2008
Basically this is not the sucess for OBC,Since all the professionals and politicians are OBC,Their is no challenge taken in the sc,Since every one aware about the beanch and thinking that this is purely drama done my UPA and their government
Unabashed opportunists!
'PMK to fight for removal of creamy layer concept in quota'
New Delhi, April 19: PMK, a constituent of the UPA government at the Centre, today said it would fight for the removal of the creamy layer concept in reservation for OBCs in higher education and demanded a Constitutional amendment for the purpose.
Terming the reservation in higher educational institutions as "first victory," PMK leader S Ramadoss told reporters his party wanted the government to take action to drop the very idea of creamy layer from the purview of the reservation policy.
Noting that the 27 per cent reservation in jobs was not effective because of the creamy layer concept, he said the experience showed that the number of OBCs in Central government jobs had actually declined and this should not happen in the education field too.
Ramadoss said he had explained this to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and UPA Chairperson Sonia Gandhi yesterday.
The Prime Minister assured him that the government would implement the policy of 27 per cent reservation as directed by the Supreme Court and appropriate action would be taken to deal with the concept of creamy layer, he said.
Ramadoss claimed that Singh agreed with the view that by including creamy layer in the purview of reservation, the objective of social justice could not be achieved.
The PMK wanted a Constitutional amendment to ensure that creamy layer was not excluded from the purview of reservation and this should be put in the Ninth Schedule so that it could not be questioned, he added.
Ramadoss said his party did not want one more year to be wasted on the OBC reservation in elite educational institutions and agreed for the government's suggestion. PMK MP M Ramadoss said that he had already given a notice in the Lok Sabha for a discussion on the reservation issue and added "we will work together for the removal of the creamy layer concept".
PMK also proposed to take up with the government the issue of providing reservation in private sector educational institutions of higher learning, he said.
http://chennaionline.com/colnews/newsitem.asp?NEWSID={D63FB8B4-4178-4588-A0A7-0D23DC22B6E5}&CATEGORYNAME=CHN
Published: Saturday, April 19, 2008
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Ramaa
Guest
Calcutta HC stays reservation for OBCs in IIM-C
Wednesday May 14 2008 18:17 IST PTI
KOLKATA: In a jolt to pro-reservationists, the Calcutta High Court on Wednesday stayed quota for OBCs in post- graduate courses in Indian Institute of Management, Calcutta, and stopped interview of OBC candidates for the same.
Justice Maharaj Sinha, in an ex-parte interim order, granted the stay on a petition by Sayan Guha, a B-Tech student challenging the HRD ministry's memorandum and also the IIM-C interview scheduled for Thursday.
The interim order stayed till June 9 the operation of the reservation clause of IIM prospectus and also the resolution of office memorandum dated April 20, 2008 passed by the HRD ministry.
The matter would come up for hearing again on June nine. IIM-C had scheduled the special interview of OBC students following the HRD memorandum.
Guha's counsels Kishore Dutta and Nilava Bandopadhyay told the court that the office memo and the subsequent reservation clause were in violation of the April 10 Supreme Court order on reservation of OBCs that had set a yardstick for such quotas and defined the creamy layer that would be out of the purview of reservation.
They said while the apex court had directed that graduates would not be considered for reservation, the HRD ministry had in violation of that passed an office memo to the effect that OBC students would get reservation in post-graduate courses.
No counsel appeared for the HRD ministry and IIM-C.
Wednesday May 14 2008 18:17 IST PTI
KOLKATA: In a jolt to pro-reservationists, the Calcutta High Court on Wednesday stayed quota for OBCs in post- graduate courses in Indian Institute of Management, Calcutta, and stopped interview of OBC candidates for the same.
Justice Maharaj Sinha, in an ex-parte interim order, granted the stay on a petition by Sayan Guha, a B-Tech student challenging the HRD ministry's memorandum and also the IIM-C interview scheduled for Thursday.
The interim order stayed till June 9 the operation of the reservation clause of IIM prospectus and also the resolution of office memorandum dated April 20, 2008 passed by the HRD ministry.
The matter would come up for hearing again on June nine. IIM-C had scheduled the special interview of OBC students following the HRD memorandum.
Guha's counsels Kishore Dutta and Nilava Bandopadhyay told the court that the office memo and the subsequent reservation clause were in violation of the April 10 Supreme Court order on reservation of OBCs that had set a yardstick for such quotas and defined the creamy layer that would be out of the purview of reservation.
They said while the apex court had directed that graduates would not be considered for reservation, the HRD ministry had in violation of that passed an office memo to the effect that OBC students would get reservation in post-graduate courses.
No counsel appeared for the HRD ministry and IIM-C.
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Balaji
Guest
The Ant and Grasshopper Stroy - Indian Angle
An Old Story:
The Ant works hard in the withering heat all summer building its house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The Grasshopper thinks the Ant is a fool and laughs & dances & plays the summer away. Come winter, the Ant is warm and well fed. The Grasshopper has no food or shelter so he dies out in the cold.
Indian Version:
The Ant works hard in the withering heat all summer building its house and laying up supplies for the winter. The Grasshopper thinks the Ant's a fool and laughs & dances & plays the summer away.
Come winter, the shivering Grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the Ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving. NDTV, BBC, CNN show up to provide pictures of the shivering Grasshopper next to a video of the Ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.
The World is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be that this poor Grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
Arundhati Roy stages a demonstration in front of the Ant's house.
Medha Patkar goes on a fast along with other Grasshoppers demanding that Grasshoppers be relocated to warmer climates during winter .
Amnesty International and Koffi Annan criticize the Indian Government for not upholding the fundamental rights of the Grasshopper.
The Internet is flooded with online petitions seeking support to the Grasshopper (many promising Heaven and Everlasting Peace for prompt support as against the wrath of God for non-compliance).
Opposition MPs stage a walkout. Left parties call for 'Bengal Bandh' in West Bengal and Kerala demanding a Judicial Enquiry. CPM in Kerala immediately passes a law preventing Ants from working hard in the heat so as to bring about equality of poverty among Ants and Grasshoppers.
Lalu Prasad allocates one free coach to Grasshoppers on all Indian Railway Trains, aptly named as the 'Grasshopper Rath'.
Finally, the Judicial Committee drafts the ' Prevention of Terrorism Against Grasshoppers Act' [POTAGA], with effect from the beginning of the winter.
Arjun Singh makes 'Special Reservation ' for Grasshoppers in Educational Institutions & in Government Services.
The Ant is fined for failing to comply with POTAGA and having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes,it's home is confiscated by the Government and handed over to the Grasshopper in a ceremony covered by NDTV.
Arundhati Roy calls it ' A Triumph of Justice'.
Lalu calls it 'Socialistic Justice '.
CPM calls it the ' Revolutionary Resurgence of the Downtrodden '
Koffi Annan invites the Grasshopper to address the UN General Assembly.
Many years later...
An Old Story:
The Ant works hard in the withering heat all summer building its house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The Grasshopper thinks the Ant is a fool and laughs & dances & plays the summer away. Come winter, the Ant is warm and well fed. The Grasshopper has no food or shelter so he dies out in the cold.
Indian Version:
The Ant works hard in the withering heat all summer building its house and laying up supplies for the winter. The Grasshopper thinks the Ant's a fool and laughs & dances & plays the summer away.
Come winter, the shivering Grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the Ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving. NDTV, BBC, CNN show up to provide pictures of the shivering Grasshopper next to a video of the Ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.
The World is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be that this poor Grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
Arundhati Roy stages a demonstration in front of the Ant's house.
Medha Patkar goes on a fast along with other Grasshoppers demanding that Grasshoppers be relocated to warmer climates during winter .
Amnesty International and Koffi Annan criticize the Indian Government for not upholding the fundamental rights of the Grasshopper.
The Internet is flooded with online petitions seeking support to the Grasshopper (many promising Heaven and Everlasting Peace for prompt support as against the wrath of God for non-compliance).
Opposition MPs stage a walkout. Left parties call for 'Bengal Bandh' in West Bengal and Kerala demanding a Judicial Enquiry. CPM in Kerala immediately passes a law preventing Ants from working hard in the heat so as to bring about equality of poverty among Ants and Grasshoppers.
Lalu Prasad allocates one free coach to Grasshoppers on all Indian Railway Trains, aptly named as the 'Grasshopper Rath'.
Finally, the Judicial Committee drafts the ' Prevention of Terrorism Against Grasshoppers Act' [POTAGA], with effect from the beginning of the winter.
Arjun Singh makes 'Special Reservation ' for Grasshoppers in Educational Institutions & in Government Services.
The Ant is fined for failing to comply with POTAGA and having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes,it's home is confiscated by the Government and handed over to the Grasshopper in a ceremony covered by NDTV.
Arundhati Roy calls it ' A Triumph of Justice'.
Lalu calls it 'Socialistic Justice '.
CPM calls it the ' Revolutionary Resurgence of the Downtrodden '
Koffi Annan invites the Grasshopper to address the UN General Assembly.
Many years later...
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Ramaa
Guest
Centre to do everything to provide quota to OBCs
Thursday May 15 2008 15:27 IST PTI
NEW DELHI: Government on Thursday asserted that it will do everything to provide reservation for OBC students in institutions of higher learning, including IITs and IIMs. "We will do every thing possible to ensure that these institutions begin admission and provide reservation in 2008-09," Finance Minister told reporters when asked to comment on a Calcutta High Court order.
The Calcutta High Court had on Wednesday stayed the implementation of a government memorandum realating to 27 per cent quota for OBCs in post graduate courses in IIMs prompting the Centre to approach the Supreme Court on Thursday seeking vacation of the Calcutta High Court order.
Chidambaram said the purpose behind the Centre approaching the apex court was to upturn the Calcutta High Court order so that admission can take place in 2008-09.
The Calcutta High Court has stayed quota for OBCs in post-graduate courses in Indian Institute of Management, Calcutta, and stopped interview of OBC candidates for the same.
The interim order stayed till June nine the operation of the reservation clause of IIM prospectus and also the resolution of office memorandum dated April 20, 2008 passed by the HRD ministry.
Thursday May 15 2008 15:27 IST PTI
NEW DELHI: Government on Thursday asserted that it will do everything to provide reservation for OBC students in institutions of higher learning, including IITs and IIMs. "We will do every thing possible to ensure that these institutions begin admission and provide reservation in 2008-09," Finance Minister told reporters when asked to comment on a Calcutta High Court order.
The Calcutta High Court had on Wednesday stayed the implementation of a government memorandum realating to 27 per cent quota for OBCs in post graduate courses in IIMs prompting the Centre to approach the Supreme Court on Thursday seeking vacation of the Calcutta High Court order.
Chidambaram said the purpose behind the Centre approaching the apex court was to upturn the Calcutta High Court order so that admission can take place in 2008-09.
The Calcutta High Court has stayed quota for OBCs in post-graduate courses in Indian Institute of Management, Calcutta, and stopped interview of OBC candidates for the same.
The interim order stayed till June nine the operation of the reservation clause of IIM prospectus and also the resolution of office memorandum dated April 20, 2008 passed by the HRD ministry.
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Saab
Guest
http://hindutva97.blogspot.com/2008/05/certifying-lowest-status-whither-quota.html
Certifying the lowest status: whither quota raj?
Gujjar agitation is a demand for ST status that is a status lower than that of OBC.
Will grant of the status solve Gujjars' perceived problems? Or, will it generate a process of schedulisation with every jaati demanding the lowest status possible for the crumbs of the quota raj?
Schedulisation is the inclusion of a jaati in the special schedules of the Constitution (as Scheduled Caste or Scheduled Tribe or now also as Backward Class or Other Backward Class). This schedulisation is the exact reverse of what MN Srinivas called sanskritisation.
Politicos are competing with themselves in achieving the lowest schedulisation possible for every jaati on the assumption that jaati identity is a critical vote-bank criterion.
Ain't there no other way of ensuring affirmative action to undo the status of deprivation? Is quota raj the only method known to a civil society?
Jaati is a proud identity of an extended family. Let not this noble identity become a pawn in the hands of politicos. Scrap the schedules of the Constitution and declare every Hindu a scheduled citizen of the nation entitled to equal treatment and justice. Aam admi is being misled that the downtrodden people are being cared for by this quota raj; what in fact is happening is that the politico-s are ensuring special privileges for their own clans.
The Youth for Equality are fighting a rear-guard battle for enshrining excellence in the process of admissions or special privileges instead of merely fooling around with terms like 'creamy layer'. Courts are also playing the political game, little concerned with the shattering impact on the larger national identity which should inform every jaati. Yearning for a day when there will be one Hindu jaati, one Hindu identity.
We are burdened with a polity where a foreign-born person is ruling as the empress who claims offices of profit. Where do we go to get the sense of pride of being a citizen of a swarajya rashtram?
kalyanaraman
Certifying the lowest status: whither quota raj?
Gujjar agitation is a demand for ST status that is a status lower than that of OBC.
Will grant of the status solve Gujjars' perceived problems? Or, will it generate a process of schedulisation with every jaati demanding the lowest status possible for the crumbs of the quota raj?
Schedulisation is the inclusion of a jaati in the special schedules of the Constitution (as Scheduled Caste or Scheduled Tribe or now also as Backward Class or Other Backward Class). This schedulisation is the exact reverse of what MN Srinivas called sanskritisation.
Politicos are competing with themselves in achieving the lowest schedulisation possible for every jaati on the assumption that jaati identity is a critical vote-bank criterion.
Ain't there no other way of ensuring affirmative action to undo the status of deprivation? Is quota raj the only method known to a civil society?
Jaati is a proud identity of an extended family. Let not this noble identity become a pawn in the hands of politicos. Scrap the schedules of the Constitution and declare every Hindu a scheduled citizen of the nation entitled to equal treatment and justice. Aam admi is being misled that the downtrodden people are being cared for by this quota raj; what in fact is happening is that the politico-s are ensuring special privileges for their own clans.
The Youth for Equality are fighting a rear-guard battle for enshrining excellence in the process of admissions or special privileges instead of merely fooling around with terms like 'creamy layer'. Courts are also playing the political game, little concerned with the shattering impact on the larger national identity which should inform every jaati. Yearning for a day when there will be one Hindu jaati, one Hindu identity.
We are burdened with a polity where a foreign-born person is ruling as the empress who claims offices of profit. Where do we go to get the sense of pride of being a citizen of a swarajya rashtram?
kalyanaraman
S
Saab
Guest
Quotas are route to inequality at IITs, IIMs
Mayank Tewari
Tuesday, June 24, 2008 03:52 IST
DNA
Their dropout rates are higher at IITs, and salaries lower at IIMs
NEW DELHI: The recent decision of the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT), Delhi, to terminate 25 students, many of them from the scheduled caste category, for poor performance has raised hackles all around.
While the National Commission for Scheduled Castes is pressuring the institute to take them back, the issue that cannot be wished away is their actual performance after gaining entry into these hallowed institutions.
Have quotas really worked? How do students from the scheduled castes and scheduled tribes (SC/ST), inducted on the basis of lower qualifying marks, fare in terms of performance and salaries at the IITs and the Indian Institutes of Management (IIMs)? Are they able to cope with high academic pressures?
DNA, which used the Right to Information Act (RTI) to extract numbers on SC/ST performance from reluctant institutions, has some answers. We found that quotas don’t work as well in the IITs, where the demands for academic excellence are higher, but the results are reasonable when it comes to the IIMs.
It’s clear that dropout rates are high among SC/ST candidates at the IITs; at the IIMs, their average salaries are also lower than general category students. The big differences, though, come up in the case of top performers. At IIM, Kozhikode, the highest salary earned by a general category student was Rs70 lakh this year; the highest earned by the SC/ST candidate was just Rs13 lakh. The differences in average salaries were lower: for general category students, it was Rs15.84 lakh, for SC/ST Rs11.01 lakh.
The real problem area seems to be the IITs. According to information provided by IIT-Powai in Mumbai, 21 SC/ST students were asked to terminate their undergraduate BTech course in 2006-2007. In the last three years, the number of reserved category students terminating their courses at Powai has risen quietly. In 2005-2006, the institute had asked 20 SC/ST students to pack their bags. A year earlier, in 2004-2005, 19 students left without completing the course. Between 2003 and 2007, the yearly average dropout number for IIT, Powai, is a high 16 students .
Two other IITs — in Delhi and Kharagpur, for which DNA has data — had lower average dropout rates of 11 and eight among SC/ST candidates. The dropout rate for general category students at IIT, Powai, hovers around 1-2% and, according to faculty members, is nowhere close to that of reserved category students.
Students are asked to terminate their courses when they accumulate more backlogs (courses failed) than permitted by IIT rules. “There is no semester-wise fail/pass system at IIT, Powai. Students can continue further studies with up to four backlogs (failed courses) at the end of each semester, till the second year, or up to six backlogs at the end of each semester during the third and subsequent years of study,” says Dr Indu Saxena, deputy registrar at IIT, Powai.
But things are better at IIT, Delhi, where yearly dropout rates have stabilised in the range of 3-9 for SC/STs combined after a peak of 23 in 2002. A professor at IIT, Delhi, told DNA that the institutes seldom have any control over dropout rates. “The quality of reserved category students every year is variable, unlike general category admissions, where merit is the sole criteria. In the case of reserved categories, sometimes totally undeserving candidates are admitted who cannot meet the standards set by the institute,” he said.
The gap between general and SC/ST category students is less stark at the IIMs, where average salary differentials are not seriously out of whack. DNA, however, found that students from the general category fared much better than reserved category students in terms of salaries offered at campus.
IIM, Ahmedabad, did not share details about the highest salary offered to SC/ST candidates in 2008, but the highest obtained by general category students was Rs60 lakh. Average salary levels for the last two years show some serious divergences.
Last year, the average salary offered to a general category student at IIMA was Rs13.70 lakh, while an SC/ST candidate got Rs11.14 lakh. This year, the general category average was Rs17.81 lakh while the average salary given to reserved category students was Rs14.50 lakh.
According to Bakul Dholakia, former director of IIM, Ahmedabad, disparities in salaries are not surprising. “At IIMA, we have always acknowledged the academic differences between general and reserved category students. It is generally assumed that reserved category students, on an average, score 20% less than their general category counterparts. Keeping this in mind, an average salary difference of Rs3-4 lakh between general and reserved category students is logical,” he told DNA.
Piyush Sinha, professor at IIMA, feels that “average salaries figures are not sufficient to conclude that reserved category students at IIMs do not perform as well as their counterparts in the general category.” According to him, “there are many factors that decide the salary during campus recruitments. The companies which come to the campuses are never given out the names of candidates based on caste. Everything works on merit.”
Mayank Tewari
Tuesday, June 24, 2008 03:52 IST
DNA
Their dropout rates are higher at IITs, and salaries lower at IIMs
NEW DELHI: The recent decision of the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT), Delhi, to terminate 25 students, many of them from the scheduled caste category, for poor performance has raised hackles all around.
While the National Commission for Scheduled Castes is pressuring the institute to take them back, the issue that cannot be wished away is their actual performance after gaining entry into these hallowed institutions.
Have quotas really worked? How do students from the scheduled castes and scheduled tribes (SC/ST), inducted on the basis of lower qualifying marks, fare in terms of performance and salaries at the IITs and the Indian Institutes of Management (IIMs)? Are they able to cope with high academic pressures?
DNA, which used the Right to Information Act (RTI) to extract numbers on SC/ST performance from reluctant institutions, has some answers. We found that quotas don’t work as well in the IITs, where the demands for academic excellence are higher, but the results are reasonable when it comes to the IIMs.
It’s clear that dropout rates are high among SC/ST candidates at the IITs; at the IIMs, their average salaries are also lower than general category students. The big differences, though, come up in the case of top performers. At IIM, Kozhikode, the highest salary earned by a general category student was Rs70 lakh this year; the highest earned by the SC/ST candidate was just Rs13 lakh. The differences in average salaries were lower: for general category students, it was Rs15.84 lakh, for SC/ST Rs11.01 lakh.
The real problem area seems to be the IITs. According to information provided by IIT-Powai in Mumbai, 21 SC/ST students were asked to terminate their undergraduate BTech course in 2006-2007. In the last three years, the number of reserved category students terminating their courses at Powai has risen quietly. In 2005-2006, the institute had asked 20 SC/ST students to pack their bags. A year earlier, in 2004-2005, 19 students left without completing the course. Between 2003 and 2007, the yearly average dropout number for IIT, Powai, is a high 16 students .
Two other IITs — in Delhi and Kharagpur, for which DNA has data — had lower average dropout rates of 11 and eight among SC/ST candidates. The dropout rate for general category students at IIT, Powai, hovers around 1-2% and, according to faculty members, is nowhere close to that of reserved category students.
Students are asked to terminate their courses when they accumulate more backlogs (courses failed) than permitted by IIT rules. “There is no semester-wise fail/pass system at IIT, Powai. Students can continue further studies with up to four backlogs (failed courses) at the end of each semester, till the second year, or up to six backlogs at the end of each semester during the third and subsequent years of study,” says Dr Indu Saxena, deputy registrar at IIT, Powai.
But things are better at IIT, Delhi, where yearly dropout rates have stabilised in the range of 3-9 for SC/STs combined after a peak of 23 in 2002. A professor at IIT, Delhi, told DNA that the institutes seldom have any control over dropout rates. “The quality of reserved category students every year is variable, unlike general category admissions, where merit is the sole criteria. In the case of reserved categories, sometimes totally undeserving candidates are admitted who cannot meet the standards set by the institute,” he said.
The gap between general and SC/ST category students is less stark at the IIMs, where average salary differentials are not seriously out of whack. DNA, however, found that students from the general category fared much better than reserved category students in terms of salaries offered at campus.
IIM, Ahmedabad, did not share details about the highest salary offered to SC/ST candidates in 2008, but the highest obtained by general category students was Rs60 lakh. Average salary levels for the last two years show some serious divergences.
Last year, the average salary offered to a general category student at IIMA was Rs13.70 lakh, while an SC/ST candidate got Rs11.14 lakh. This year, the general category average was Rs17.81 lakh while the average salary given to reserved category students was Rs14.50 lakh.
According to Bakul Dholakia, former director of IIM, Ahmedabad, disparities in salaries are not surprising. “At IIMA, we have always acknowledged the academic differences between general and reserved category students. It is generally assumed that reserved category students, on an average, score 20% less than their general category counterparts. Keeping this in mind, an average salary difference of Rs3-4 lakh between general and reserved category students is logical,” he told DNA.
Piyush Sinha, professor at IIMA, feels that “average salaries figures are not sufficient to conclude that reserved category students at IIMs do not perform as well as their counterparts in the general category.” According to him, “there are many factors that decide the salary during campus recruitments. The companies which come to the campuses are never given out the names of candidates based on caste. Everything works on merit.”
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Xgc4ljHKM (hindi)
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBI3lwV_ukc&feature=related (tamil)
3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtAhp5Eud9A&NR=1 (english - malayalam)
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBI3lwV_ukc&feature=related (tamil)
3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtAhp5Eud9A&NR=1 (english - malayalam)
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Dear sri Happyhindu Ji,
You say "On the other hand, it is true that varna is not by birth." This is not at all a settled issue. It is still being debated.
The second video you cited is an Islamist propaganda, and simply I do not believe it to be true.
Again, let me ask you this. As a person born into a non brahmin family, what are you doing in answering the issues facing us all as Hindus? Yes, as Brahmins, we shoulder much of the responsibility. But as people who were entitled to the same vedic education (up to a point) as the Brahmins, what is your responsibility and accountability towards the deciline of our religious values?
Why is it that the Brahmins alone need to shoulder the blame? Where are the Kshatriyas? Where are the Vaishyas?
The whole system has broken down. Let us not assign inordinate blame to only to one Varna!
Regards,
KRS
You say "On the other hand, it is true that varna is not by birth." This is not at all a settled issue. It is still being debated.
The second video you cited is an Islamist propaganda, and simply I do not believe it to be true.
Again, let me ask you this. As a person born into a non brahmin family, what are you doing in answering the issues facing us all as Hindus? Yes, as Brahmins, we shoulder much of the responsibility. But as people who were entitled to the same vedic education (up to a point) as the Brahmins, what is your responsibility and accountability towards the deciline of our religious values?
Why is it that the Brahmins alone need to shoulder the blame? Where are the Kshatriyas? Where are the Vaishyas?
The whole system has broken down. Let us not assign inordinate blame to only to one Varna!
Regards,
KRS
Dear All,
i request all of you to watch these 2 videos definitely:
1) Brahmins in India have become a minority: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Xgc4ljHKM
esp, the last lines by the south indian priest - that we will die in poverty but will not leave brahminism.
2) And contrast this with the brahmin priest who converted to islam (not surprsingly in tamil nadu):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBI3lwV_ukc&feature=related
On one hand, i say this group is well equipped to preserve hindu culture (and yeah we being sensible people we wud surely say sorry we cannot jump in the middle of the bandwagon, culture imitation is tuf, in those times things might have been diff; and in the present times there is a lot more in life and no one seems willing to, so ppl like us can only contribute monetarily to existing institutions). On the other hand, it is true that varna is not by birth. So, where is the solution??
Is this all a fight against poverty?
Regards.
The whole system has broken down. Let us not assign inordinate blame to only to one Varna!
Yes ofcourse, KRS-ji, only one varna can never be blamed. All hindus have an equal role to play.
Yes ofcourse, KRS-ji, only one varna can never be blamed. All hindus have an equal role to play.
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Dear Sri Happyhindu Ji,
When I said that the Varna by birth is not a settled issue, I meant to say that while you and I may hold the view that it is so, some of our Hindu brethren do not view it so. Even the luminaries differ in their opinions.
There are federal laws against forced conversions. However, religion is a very personal issue. So, it would be in anyone's personal choice to adopt whatever religion one wants for whatever reason. When the fundamental values taught by a religion are not imbibed then one converts to other religions based on monetary or other inducements. But then as it is the right of anyone not to seek Moksha during this life, it is in their right to convert. And for the same reason, to re-convert.
You find in India, the converting sort of Christianity, for example, is introducing many Hinduism like mechanisms to attract the targets. In this process, Christianity itself gets subverted and over time, will be reabsorbed in to Hinduism. The fundamental values of Hinduism are so true to life, nothing can destroy them. This is where as a religion, Hinduism culturally holds a grip on the imagination of the people. And this can remain only so, if Hinduism is allowed to adapt to the modern world, as it has done time and time again over the history, when other religions threatened it's existence. With force having been removed as a tool for conversions (as Islam did for a while), in modern times, only trith in ideas will be the source of conversions.
As a matter of fact, even a most popular and powerful talk show in the US (Oprah), has been running a series of shows showcasing a psychiatric therapy centered on regression to one's past lives. This is a shocking new development, where a main stream popular show is showcasing reincarnation as a real possible scientific theory, while in the past the voices that raised such theories were dismissed as fringe and cuckoo elements - such as the actress Shirley McClain. Here, we are seeing a western / Judeo Christian theological dogma being directly questioned / examined.
I believe, concepte basic to Hinduism, such as the non destructible atma, reincarnation and Karma will be more and more accepted in the west and there will be no chice but for the western religions to re examine their own rigid theological viewpoints which were adopted to 'control' their masses.
I have watched Dr. Zakir Naik also with awe about his ability to quote from memory not only from his religion's scriptures, but some of our own (though selectively). But, such theological oratory, while impressive, in my mind do not really change any hearts. Because the believers are still going to believe and the non believers are not going to, because it appeals mainly to the intellect. And in comparative theologies, one can not change anything by such a process, because the whole logic stems from a belief.
This is why I do not believe in the cries of the chiken littles, who run around saying that Hinduism is being decimated. I do not see a slightest evidence of it wherever I travel to where Hiduism has a foot hold.
Regards,
KRS
When I said that the Varna by birth is not a settled issue, I meant to say that while you and I may hold the view that it is so, some of our Hindu brethren do not view it so. Even the luminaries differ in their opinions.
There are federal laws against forced conversions. However, religion is a very personal issue. So, it would be in anyone's personal choice to adopt whatever religion one wants for whatever reason. When the fundamental values taught by a religion are not imbibed then one converts to other religions based on monetary or other inducements. But then as it is the right of anyone not to seek Moksha during this life, it is in their right to convert. And for the same reason, to re-convert.
You find in India, the converting sort of Christianity, for example, is introducing many Hinduism like mechanisms to attract the targets. In this process, Christianity itself gets subverted and over time, will be reabsorbed in to Hinduism. The fundamental values of Hinduism are so true to life, nothing can destroy them. This is where as a religion, Hinduism culturally holds a grip on the imagination of the people. And this can remain only so, if Hinduism is allowed to adapt to the modern world, as it has done time and time again over the history, when other religions threatened it's existence. With force having been removed as a tool for conversions (as Islam did for a while), in modern times, only trith in ideas will be the source of conversions.
As a matter of fact, even a most popular and powerful talk show in the US (Oprah), has been running a series of shows showcasing a psychiatric therapy centered on regression to one's past lives. This is a shocking new development, where a main stream popular show is showcasing reincarnation as a real possible scientific theory, while in the past the voices that raised such theories were dismissed as fringe and cuckoo elements - such as the actress Shirley McClain. Here, we are seeing a western / Judeo Christian theological dogma being directly questioned / examined.
I believe, concepte basic to Hinduism, such as the non destructible atma, reincarnation and Karma will be more and more accepted in the west and there will be no chice but for the western religions to re examine their own rigid theological viewpoints which were adopted to 'control' their masses.
I have watched Dr. Zakir Naik also with awe about his ability to quote from memory not only from his religion's scriptures, but some of our own (though selectively). But, such theological oratory, while impressive, in my mind do not really change any hearts. Because the believers are still going to believe and the non believers are not going to, because it appeals mainly to the intellect. And in comparative theologies, one can not change anything by such a process, because the whole logic stems from a belief.
This is why I do not believe in the cries of the chiken littles, who run around saying that Hinduism is being decimated. I do not see a slightest evidence of it wherever I travel to where Hiduism has a foot hold.
Regards,
KRS
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Why is it that the Brahmins alone need to shoulder the blame? Where are the Kshatriyas? Where are the Vaishyas?
Regards,
KRS
Quite simply Sri KRS ji, that is because the OBCs are not "honest" enough to admit their role !
If Brahmins were at the top of the heap, "discrimination" couldnt have been possible at the lowest end without a "conduit".
As much as they project themselves to be "holy", the OBCs cannot hide their follies. Except ofcourse with the tacit support of the pseudo-moralists like a famous friend (??!!!) of mine from another forum who has taken a recent facination to this forum.
The Aryan-Dravidian theory has been bandied about in TN like nowhere else.
Why ?
Just to keep the Brahmins out.
But the fact remains that the OBCs are not one homogenous group. Else we wont be witness to so many "KKKs" in TN.
Because it "suits" them, the OBCs feign ignorance about their role. Despite their best efforts, truth cannot be hidden for too long.
A simple dip-stick : Why did the TN Govt have to announce a "reward" for any village in TN which abolished "Untouchability" (manifested in many ways, one of which is the 2 Tumbler system) ? Brahmins are nowhere to be seen in the villages, so what's keeping the fire of untouchability stoked ?
Me too feel Zakir represents his own oratorial skills rather than truly ensuring his religion is peace. He preaches that Islam is peace to peaceful people of mainstream culture who already know that. Am wondering why he is not travelling to places such as Kashmir, Afghanisthan, etc and preach this to terrorists there. Then when they stop their activities, even those who do not believe will also start beleiving that Islam is peace.
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File stats as per 2001 census: High Court
Friday June 27 2008 10:11 IST Express News Service
MADURAI: The Central and State Governments were directed by the Madurai Bench of the High Court on Thursday to file the population statistics giving details of caste, education and economic status, as per 2001 census.
In a petition, advocate Elangovan had said that a census based on socio economic conditions and education standards of the people was conducted in 1931.
Since then, no such census had been conducted. Meanwhile, the backward class communities had been granted a reservation of 27 percent.
Petitioner averred that the absence of such details affected the opportunities of this community of people. Therefore, he had prayed for directive to the government to undertake a census based on education, caste, economic status and other social conditions.
A Bench comprising Justices E Dharmarao and Venugopal who admitted the petition, directed the Union and State governments to file details of the population census of 2001 with the socio economic statistics.
Friday June 27 2008 10:11 IST Express News Service
MADURAI: The Central and State Governments were directed by the Madurai Bench of the High Court on Thursday to file the population statistics giving details of caste, education and economic status, as per 2001 census.
In a petition, advocate Elangovan had said that a census based on socio economic conditions and education standards of the people was conducted in 1931.
Since then, no such census had been conducted. Meanwhile, the backward class communities had been granted a reservation of 27 percent.
Petitioner averred that the absence of such details affected the opportunities of this community of people. Therefore, he had prayed for directive to the government to undertake a census based on education, caste, economic status and other social conditions.
A Bench comprising Justices E Dharmarao and Venugopal who admitted the petition, directed the Union and State governments to file details of the population census of 2001 with the socio economic statistics.
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