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Maintaining Brahman

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sravna

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Agreed.

So that means its like a Newbie in the Brahman Arena who is a new entry but still susceptible to Maya.

Like sugar crystal that gets diluted in water but not yet 100% diluted.

I get what you mean...but if this is true that one can be a Brahmavid Newbie that means Brahman is always slightly different isnt it? Giving the Vishishtadvaitist an opportunity to win hands down!LOL

But if you already know Brahman arent you already Brahman? So why this Newbie phenomenon?

So with that how can there be Advaita?


Dear Renuka,

Newbies learn. See my previous post. They are fully developed when they can handle any situation. So they are being equipped for that.
 
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Dear Renuka,

Newbies learn. See my previous post. They are fully developed when they can handle any situation. So they are being equipped for that.

Dear Sravna,

I have edited my posts and added a few points..kindly read it..I think you quoted my pre edited post.


This is my edited post:

Agreed.

So that means its like a Newbie in the Brahman Arena who is a new entry but still susceptible to Maya.

Like sugar crystal that gets diluted in water but not yet 100% diluted.

I get what you mean...but if this is true that one can be a Brahmavid Newbie that means Brahman is always slightly different isnt it?

But if you already know Brahman arent you already Brahman? So why this Newbie phenomenon?

So with that how can there be Advaita?

Its like one can know Brahman but there is always a certain degree of risk of falling back from that state..so this only proves that a Jeeva might be similar to Brahman but not 100% the same....Giving the Vishishtadvaitist an opportunity to win hands down!LOL


Note: the term used in that Shloka was Brahmavid(Knower of Brahma)..it was not a Brahma JignAsa.


The question here is "If one can be a Newbie Brahman Knower that means Brahman is always having a degree of difference from us isnt it?"
 

sravna

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Dear Renuka,

The risk of falling seems to be there because one is not yet brahman but only in a state of brahman meaning he is free from the effects of maya. But to be truly brahman one has to eternally be free from the effects of maya. This may not be true in our case because with some change in reality we may fail to see the truth , that is may be affected by maya again.

I am not sure about the nuances of the usage of terms in Sanskrit but my knowledge is that, one who truly knows brahman is never affected by maya. So the advice given in the verse imo is definitely not to such a person.
 

prasad1

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Renukaji,
I am not at the level you are, but I found this paragraph in his book, which seems to talk about your query,
Ramanamaharisi says:


"The seekers fall into two classes; kritopasaka and akritopasaka.
The former having already overcome his predisposition by
steady devotion, his mind thus made pure, has had some kind of
experience but does not comprehend it; as soon as he is instructed
by a competent master, permanent experience results.
The other class of seeker needs great effort to achieve this end.
How will the hearing of the Truth, reflection and concentration
help him?
They comprise upasana (the nearest approach to Truth) and will
end in his Self-Realization.
The fourth stage is the final one of liberation. Even there some
distinction is made according to the degree, as
(1) the knower of the Brahman (Brahmavid)
(2) Brahmavid-vara
(3) Brahmavid-varya
(4) Brahmavid-varishta
But all of them are in fact liberated even while alive."
 
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Renukaji,
I am not at the level you are, but I found this paragraph in his book, which seems to talk about your query,
Ramanamaharisi says:


"The seekers fall into two classes; kritopasaka and akritopasaka.
The former having already overcome his predisposition by
steady devotion, his mind thus made pure, has had some kind of
experience but does not comprehend it; as soon as he is instructed
by a competent master, permanent experience results.
The other class of seeker needs great effort to achieve this end.
How will the hearing of the Truth, reflection and concentration
help him?
They comprise upasana (the nearest approach to Truth) and will
end in his Self-Realization.
The fourth stage is the final one of liberation. Even there some
distinction is made according to the degree, as
(1) the knower of the Brahman (Brahmavid)
(2) Brahmavid-vara
(3) Brahmavid-varya
(4) Brahmavid-varishta
But all of them are in fact liberated even while alive."

Dear Prasad Ji,

What level shevel yaar? I am just an ordinary person learning on daily basis..anyway thanks for your post..it is really the reply I was looking for..now it also seems so clear...cos a Brahmavid is the just 1st stage..so it all makes perfect sense now.

Thanks.
 
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zebra16

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Dear Prasad Ji,

What level shevel yaar? I am just an ordinary person learning on daily basis..anyway thanks for your post..it is really the reply I was looking for..now it also seems so clear...cos a Brahmavid is the just 1st stage..so it all makes perfect sense now.

Thanks.

As you appear to be inclined to dwell deep into the subject, please do not stop your enquiry just with the explanation of gradation or categorisation of Bramavid, Bhrhma-vara, Brahma-varya and Brahma-varishta.

Taittiriya UpaniSad says "Brahmavid Aapnoti param - satyam, GyAnam, anantam, BramhA.

So when Brahmavid grants the supreme felicity of satyam, gyanam, anantam and BramhA, are the further gradations of brahmavid really essential and are they materially one more superior or refined than another?

Just explore.
 
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renuka

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As you appear to be inclined to dwell deep into the subject, please do not stop your enquiry just with the explanation of gradation or categorisation of Bramavid, Bhrhma-vara, Brahma-varya and Brahma-varishta.

Taittiriya UpaniSad says "Brahmavid Aapnoti param - satyam, GyAnam, anantam, BramhA.

So when Brahmavid grants the supreme felicity of satyam, gyanam, anantam and BramhA, are the further gradations of brahmavid really essential and are they materially one more superior or refined than another?

Just explore.


Well what can I say..I guess you read my mind!

On a technical grounds the Bramavid, Bhrhma-vara, Brahma-varya and Brahma-varishta gradtion fits into the stanza flow of the original text cos it makes sense that the Guru explains to the Shisya why maintenance of a Brahman state is required.

But just know I was thinking if all these 4 grades are already liberated while living..wouldnt Grade 1 itself be perfect or full?? That is as in Om Purnam Adah Purnam Idam..cos going by the Purnam Adah Purnam Idam theory.. knowing Brahman should be complete..so I did wonder why is there yet a classification or gradation.

What say you?
 
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