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India summons US envoy Nancy Powell over arrest of diplomat in New York PTI

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Vaagmi

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The Khobragade episode raises a more pertinent question than one of diplomatic immunity – what kind of people is India’s Ministry of External Affairs hiring to be the country’s face to the world? In the last two years alone, two Indian consular officers to the US have been in the news on charges of fraud and mistreatment of employees. Khobragade’s name has already appeared in relation to the controversial Adarsh Cooperative Housing Society scam, yet she was chosen to represent India to an important international partner. Is the IFS so short-staffed that they need to appoint people with questionable backgrounds to important posts in other countries?


It is highly unlikely the MEA or Khobragade were unaware of US visa or labour laws. In effect, the diplomat knowingly and wilfully violated the laws of a foreign power, one is tempted to say, with the same hubris shown at home. It is well known that appointments to countries of significance like the US, Russia, or Great Britain are handpicked by the government due to their sensitivity and importance. The question arises, how has the UPA’s MEA dropped the ball so badly in the last few years? Why is South Block hiring people of dubious repute?


In international politics there is no right or wrong, only sovereignty and the power to defend it. That, however, should not be taken to mean it is a wise course of action for Delhi to send frauds to represent it in foreign capitals; it hurts the reputation of India and Indians to be represented by people who make the news for the wrong reasons. It certainly is not the way Delhi's much touted soft power operates.
Devyani Khobragade case: More than just a question of diplomatic immunity - Analysis - DNA

Dear Prasad,

I dont think MEA Mandarins do not know what you know. Khobrgade must have become a thorn for someone powerful and they removed the thorn. Richard became handy and the issue was blown out of proportion. Either Richard or K has something which is quite sensitive and they have to be shown their place. That was achieved by US. If some secret project can go wrong, it will go wrong-so says Peter.
 

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Dear Prasad,

I dont think MEA Mandarins do not know what you know. Khobrgade must have become a thorn for someone powerful and they removed the thorn. Richard became handy and the issue was blown out of proportion. Either Richard or K has something which is quite sensitive and they have to be shown their place. That was achieved by US. If some secret project can go wrong, it will go wrong-so says Peter.

I am told that this Khobragade incident is a crude method to get the US capatain of a ship arrested in tuticorin with terrorists on board. George Bush was more nuanced when he beautifully twisted MMS' & SG's arms without even a fly knowing about it. The case then was reportedly MMS' daughter's drunken driving. BO seems to be cruder just as his appearance!

Since it is election time, this development will escalate in forms unknown at present. But I liked NaMo's attitude in refusing to meet the dirty US delegation, and my hats off to NaMo's patriotic spirit. He has shown himself to be a statesman, and not a mere politician.
 
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So, little crybaby got what he wanted and he thinks he has proof Santa exists.

prasad1 -- stop taking idiotic potshots against me, if you don't I will call spade a spade, you can run crying to Santa .....

I avoid responding to your childish pranks.
Have you seen a bully, you are it (just look in the mirror) or if have doubt, ask around.
 

Nara

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I avoid responding to your childish pranks.
Have you seen a bully, you are it (just look in the mirror) or if have doubt, ask around.
prasad1 -- yes, of course, I am a bully to you and to your ilk, நான் நல்லவனுக்கு நல்லவன், கெட்டவனுக்கு கெட்டவன். Stop taking potshots at me directly or indirectly, and all will be well. If not, be prepared to deal with the consequences of your own stupidity, ஜாக்ரதை.
 

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USA is so rude and inhuman to the envoy because she is from a dalit family. And so arrogant and will not tender an apology. USA is antidalit.

"Devyani’s father Uttam Khobragade was once a very powerful bureaucrat in Maharashtra. He is now retired.

Being a Dalit also makes him politically powerful. He has worked closely with former Maharashtra Chief Minister Vilarao Deshmukh and current Union Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde, who played a major role on Tuesday in formulating stern policy on the issue."

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-fuming-government-gives-us-taste-of-its-own-medicine/20131217.htm#4
 
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B.Krishnamurthy

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In USA there are large number of illegal entrants especially from nearby countries like Mexico.
They provide cheap labour for USA residents.I wonder why the USA Govt is closing their eyes in respect of such people
and do not enforce their Laws on such people.
My personal opinion (after staying in USA for over 4 years)is that Indians are considered as 'Not disciplined" like Westerners.
This is also the view of Indians who landed in USA in 1960s and 1970s.
I am worried that a time may come when local people start hating Indians who have proved their merit and are very prosperous comparatively in USA.
Hope a movement like 'Siva Sena' in Maharastra does not start after a few years in this country.
 

sarang

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Now the issue is clear: USA takes action because she is; indian government takes no action because she is. mayawati in action.

Any other government, say chinese or pakistan, would have arrested all female embassy staff.
11.27 am: Mayawati creates uproar by bringing caste into Devyani debate And in such matters of national outrage, BSP leader Mayawati has created more outrage, by accusing the government of taking 'delayed action' into Khobragade's case because she was of a lower caste. In comments that caused angry outbursts from the gallery, Mayawati said, "She is a Dalit, which is why the government has been delaying on action. Had she been from a different higher caste, they would have acted promptly" Issues of foreign policy being quite the political hot potato, one would have imagined the Devyani Khobdagade issue would be yet another potent weapon in the Opposition's arsenal. However, with the government taking sweeping measures and a somewhat petulant stand on the issue, getting back at the US diplomats in India quite vengefully, most of the parties in the Opposition didn't have much to chew on. However, trust BSP's Mayawati to find ways to give the issue a local political spin. As she declared in the RS that the government was hesitant in acting on the issue promptly because the woman was a Dalit and did not belong to a higher caste, she reduced what is an important foreign policy challenge to a vote-grabbing plank that might work wonders among her electorate.


Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/india/live...e-says-pm-1291025.html?utm_source=ref_article
 

B.Krishnamurthy

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In today's paper"The Times of India",a news item has come disclosing how the USA Govt gave T category visa to the Husband and two children of the maid and the husband with the Children
left India for USA on Air India Flight just two days before the arrest of Indian embassy officer.
The action of USA in this case raises suspicion and they want to have some hidden agenda to be carried out giving bad name to INDIA.It is also reported in the newspaper that the Father in law of the maid was working in US embassy,Newdelhi
and Mother-in law of the maid working as domestic help in the house of a USA diplomat in New Delhi.
Hope religion is not playing any role in this affair.
The Indian Diplomat is reported to have received a telephone call from an anonymous person to settle the case amicably with the maid,pror to her arrest.
Though the USA Government acted with their interests in view,the common man i.e USA nationals in USA is very courteous in their behaviour.
Now that the Secretary of State Mr.John Kerry has called Mr.Menon,National Security Advisor,Govt of India and expressed regret,the case will be sorted out amicably between the two countries.
 
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B.Krishnamurthy

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The Govt of India has to learn some lessons from this incident.
It is not clear as to why some benefits(not extended to Indian Consul Staff in USA) was extended to the USA Consul Staff working in India in the first instance and then the facility is withdrwan after this incident
which was viewed by the Press in USA as' revenge action'.
In the letters to to the national newspaper" The Hindu", Mr.Itty Varghese,Kottayam has commented as follows:-
"True Reciprocity is justified and may even be recommended in diplomacy,but it is better that it is tempered with studied and mature restraint,especially when one deals with a powerful country that is 'friendly'
or make a pretense of it.
Another writer Mr.Ramabhadran Narayan from Coimbatore has cautioned the Govt of India to be careful in dealing with a big power like USA.
He has stayed in USA for more than 20 years.Considering the cost of living in New York the salary of Indian consular staff in USA is a meagre amount and he knows how much an ordinary individual needs to make to ensure one has a decent life.The Indian Govt is partly responsible for what has happenned and suggests that the Prime Minister of India confer with President Obama and resolve the issue at the earliest.
According to him what is at stake now is countless issues over which USA can arm twist India.
Mr.G.Parameshwaran from Coimbatore has raised a real picture.
"Countries in the West will never be our warm and fuzzy friends.What these Nations want from India is the best technical expertise in various fields and open market for their products.
Our relationship with them will be mostly economic in nature and no more.
We would do well to understand this and frame our policies and practises based on this 'real politik',rather than on some imagined and exaggerated sense of self importance".
Hope Govt of India takes into account the sentiments of general public while formulating their foreign policy after this incident.
 

vgane

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We need to cultivate a Eastern Block..In terms of culture there is much in common with Myanmar, Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia, China and Japan

Unfortunately the West has enamored us because of their wealth-money and business are conjoined twins
 
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India on Thursday hit back at U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, who had justified Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade’s arrest, accusing him of interfering with the Indian legal system and asserting that the arrest was not in keeping with the Vienna Convention on diplomatic immunity.
Criticising the U.S. Prosecutor for making statement for “post facto rationalization” for an action that should never have taken place in the first instance, External Affairs Ministry Spokesperson said there were no courtesies extended to Khobragade, who is the only “victim” in this case.
He said despite acknowledging that legal process were in place in India, the statement talks why it was necessary to evacuate the family of absconding maid Sangeeta Richard, thereby, making “implicit comment” about the Indian legal system, its enforcement authorities, and the responsibility that legal officials of a foreign government seem to “arrogate upon” themselves with regard to nationals of another country.
“We need to keep in mind the simple fact that there is only one victim in this case. That victim is Devyani Khobragade -- a serving Indian diplomat on mission in the United States.
“The action taken against her was not in keeping with the Vienna Convention. There were no courtesies in the treatment that was meted out to the diplomat, under the normal definition of that word in English language,” he said.
India tears into Bharara for defending action against diplomat - The Hindu

Desi hai, he needs the desi's money for his political ambitions. Remember this when he asks for desi money.
 
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The United Nations has approved a request from India to accredit a New York-based diplomat after her arrest by U.S. authorities on criminal charges including visa fraud, a U.N. official said on Monday.


U.N. approves India's request to accredit diplomat charged by U.S
Reuters By Louis Charbonneau

Indian media said the request to transfer Devyani Khobragade, who was deputy consul-general in New York, to the United Nations was aimed at ending the stand-off with the United States in the hopes that her new diplomatic status could allow New Delhi to bring her home without the prosecution proceeding.


"The U.N. has processed the request to register Ms. Khobragade as a member of the Permanent Mission of India to the U.N.," a U.N. source said on condition of anonymity. "However, the final stop in the process is the U.S. (State Department)."
 
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[h=2]Exemption to Devyani from personal appearance in court proceedings in New York a "good beginning," Minister tells The Hindu[/h]India has decided to extend the deadline for U.S. diplomats to surrender their identity cards by another three days, and views as a “good beginning” the exemption of Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade from personal appearance in court proceedings in New York.


“We will give it [extension in deadline]. We are reasonable but the extension is for three days. There is no problem,” External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid told The Hindu on Monday, indicating there would be no further measures against U.S. diplomats which he described as “reciprocal.”


“Whatever we had to do we have done. It seems we were going further than what was required by reciprocity. So, we have retreated into reciprocity and that will remain,” he explained, ruling out the rolling back of the measures restricting privileges for U.S. diplomats announced last week.
 
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Iran case


Instead, the U.S. claims that its laws were broken, and since a consular officer does not have the full immunity of an accredited diplomat, Ms. Khobragade was not immune from either arrest or subsequent prosecution. This, though, is not what the U.S. argued as the applicable international law when its diplomatic and consular staff were taken hostage in Iran in 1979, and the government in Tehran threatened to prosecute them for acts that were, in its view, crimes in Iranian law. The U.S. moved the International Court of Justice and in its submission, claimed inter alia that: “Pursuant to Articles 28, 31, 33, 34, 36 and 40 of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, the Government of lran is under an international legal obligation to the United States to ensure that … the consular personnel of the United States be treated with respect and protected from attack on their persons, freedom, and dignity; and that United States consular officers be free from arrest or detention. The Government of Iran has violated and is currently violating the foregoing obligations.”


The court ruled in favour of the U.S. on all points, by a large majority on most, but unanimously on the U.S. contention, examined at length in its judgment, that the Iranian threat to prosecute diplomatic and consular staff was a violation of the Vienna Conventions. The court held that: “no member of the United States diplomatic or consular staff may be kept in Iran to be subjected to any form of judicial proceedings or to participate in them as a witness.”


The U.S. therefore does not really have a case, on either moral or legal grounds. What is surprising is that it was prepared to offend a country that is now of some strategic and commercial interest to it, and so blatantly breach the Vienna Conventions that protect its diplomatic and consular agents as much as they do all others. Except, it seems, in Iran in 1979 and in the U.S. in 2013.

Breaching the Vienna Conventions - The Hindu
 
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Devyani Khobragade's lawyer has said authorities here goofed up in the probe and arrest of the Indian diplomat on visa fraud charges as a federal agent made a "serious" mistake in reading the paperwork submitted regarding her maid's salary.


Daniel Arshack, Khobragade's lawyer, said Mark Smith, the Diplomatic Security Services agent handled the investigation and arrest of Khobragade and drew up and swore to the accuracy of the formal complaint in the case.


Smith "simply made an error in reading the DS-160 form which supported the visa application for the domestic worker, Sangeeta Richard," Arshack said.


"He erroneously and disastrously believed that the USD 4,500 per month salary entry on the form was Richard's expected salary when, in fact, it was clearly a reporting of the base salary to be earned by the employer, Khobragade, in the US," he said.


The lawyer said Khobagrade's base salary figure of USD 4,500 per month was required and appropriately reported on the DS-160 form, which is the online non-immigrant visa application required to be submitted by those seeking US visas.
US officials made 'serious' mistake in Devyani Khobragade's arrest: Lawyer - Indian Express
 
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Consider two cases of consular officials two years apart. One shoots and kills two locals, the other pays her nanny wages below local minimum but above home rates. The same US president insists on diplomatic immunity for the first but stays silent on the second.


Had host-country law prevailed, the first - Raymond Davis, a CIA contractor in Lahore, Pakistan - could have faced the death sentence. Instead he was brought home without trial. Then senator John Kerry went to Pakistan to appease its anger. The US media managed to contain its outrage on his victims.


The second - an Indian female career diplomat, not an intelligence agent - is strip-and-cavity searched. The US media are touched by the plight of the poor maid and the sanctity of the law. No apology from Kerry, now the Secretary of State.


Guess which country they accuse of hypocrisy? Yes indeed, India. And praise which for standing up for the rule of law that must treat everyone equally? Yep, good ol' USA.
Devyani Khobragade row: US must apologise to India
 
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