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Hinduism .. a write up

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renuka

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Answers in blue.

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In almost all religions, the hardest one to reason with are those that are rooted in their religious egos.
Religious ego thinks it has to defend his/her God with its beliefs.

Lets rephrase this:

In almost all fields, the hardest one to reason with are those that are rooted in their intellectual egos.
Intellectual ego thinks it has to defend his/her perception.

This is usually seen in high performers intellectual type and usually mistaken as high IQ or confidence/capability but its is actually a Disorder known as Pathological Narcissism or in lay man terms Pathological Arrogance.






When it comes to learning the universal principles taught in our scriptures every one is an Aam-Admi.

True...you included in this Aam Admi list!..no matter what you might want to project about your perception about Ishwara/Brahman/Allah.


A better metaphor to communicate this point is that is we all are afflicted by an epidemic of ignorance. One should cure oneself before thinking of curing others because it is possible to seriously infect others even more with wrong ideas. The only realistic question is if it is possible to understand what is taught.

Its the hardest to self diagnose and treat self but as human we should not try to play Beshajam Bhava Roginam(Physician for the Ailment of Existence) by judging the mode of prayers of others.



By telling people some mumbo jumbo about vibrations of chanting etc there is perpetuation of ignorance.

Words/chanting are sound waves...sound waves cause vibrations of medium.
So why do you feel its ignorance to state that chanting can have vibrations?


Also this meandering about what each Acharya may have said is unnecessary. Why should one believe an Acharya who says to believe in Vedas. The reason Sri Sankara is taken seriously is not because he is deified but because his writing can be understood here and now. Here the understanding is not limited to just a mental activity though it includes that.


Human existence is endowed with an enormous gift which is a faculty of discriminative thinking. Dulling that for anyone including those who are condescendingly called Aam Admi *in this context* is a serious disservice in my view.


Now this is where we have to get real...yes..we humans are endowed with intellect/Viveka/Discriminative Faculty BUT as long as it functions!

Its easy to imagine about understanding Ishwara etc when we are still having normal cognitive functions, what if we lose it in an accident becos of brain injury or get dementia and even forget our name?

That time when there is no reachable memory or cognitive function..what happens to our so called high thinking capability of Understanding Ishwara?

Totally gone!

This itself shows that the MIND can NOT be the means to even grasp the understanding of Ishwara cos if something as the mind could be subject to disease or degeneration that shows that the mind was never the endpoint for understanding the Ultimate.

So what is the endpoint/ultimate for an understanding of Ishwara/Brahman?

Do we really know? Can we really know with senses and intellect?

Nope..no way.

So finally at the end of the day..if one choose to do a 700 stanza Geeta homa with faith or one chooses to try to understand Ishwara there is actually no difference cos both chose to go thru senses and mind both means that are subject to decay or disease.
 
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Janaki Jambunathan

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Scriptures are the source of right knowledge.
(#59)

Information can be passed on - Knowledge is aquired --- have to analyse the information & evaluate to have the right knowledge - outcome of deep understanding !


Religion and bhakti are not the exclusive preserve of College professors and intellectuals alone. (#59)

Religion and bhakti requires no knowledge and knowledge can be acquired with with out and inspite of bakthi and religion!

The issue is those who have wrong notions built over a life time and wanting a simplistic solution. By telling people some mumbo jumbo about vibrations of chanting etc there is perpetuation of ignorance. (#60)

Occam's razor!

Scriptures can become guided missiles in hands of misguided men! In such situations.the chanting with Homan Smoke can pollute the atmosphere - religious included
 
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tks

tks

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Scriptures are the source of right knowledge.
(#59)

Information can be passed on - Knowledge is aquired --- have to analyse the information & evaluate to have the right knowledge - outcome of deep understanding !


Religion and bhakti are not the exclusive preserve of College professors and intellectuals alone. (#59)

Religion and bhakti requires no knowledge and knowledge can be acquired with with out and inspite of bakthi and religion!

The issue is those who have wrong notions built over a life time and wanting a simplistic solution. By telling people some mumbo jumbo about vibrations of chanting etc there is perpetuation of ignorance. (#60)

Occam's razor!

Scriptures can become guided missiles in hands of misguided men! In such situations.the chanting with Homan Smoke can pollute the atmosphere - religious included

Smt JJ -

I like your insight and message. A thumbs up :)
 

Janaki Jambunathan

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Well TN is witnessing a situation because of information with out right knowledge emanating from Veda Nilayam! 'Veda' followers after chanting their 'gosham' & rituals at ' வங்ககடல் Homa kundam ' proceeding to சட்டசபை to decide the fate of TN - effect of information with out knowledge - guided missiles in the hands of misguided men!
 
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tbs

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Scriptures are the source of right knowledge.
(#59)

Information can be passed on - Knowledge is aquired --- have to analyse the information & evaluate to have the right knowledge - outcome of deep understanding !


Religion and bhakti are not the exclusive preserve of College professors and intellectuals alone. (#59)

Religion and bhakti requires no knowledge and knowledge can be acquired with with out and inspite of bakthi and religion!

The issue is those who have wrong notions built over a life time and wanting a simplistic solution. By telling people some mumbo jumbo about vibrations of chanting etc there is perpetuation of ignorance. (#60)

Occam's razor!

Scriptures can become guided missiles in hands of misguided men! In such situations.the chanting with Homan Smoke can pollute the atmosphere - religious included
hi

we use SMOKE LESS WOOD FOR HOMAM IN USA...SO NO POLLUTION IN RELIGIOUS HOMAM...
 

Raji Ram

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I already wrote that our sAsthrigaL performed Ayush hOmam with just one kOppaRai thEngai cut into two, in Boston!

Smoke alarm was on too! :cool:

But then, J J ji commented that only the smoke is good for our health!! ;)
 
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Rudhran

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I just wish to share this news which I read somewhere during 1985 :

“The tragic incident occurred on the night of December 3, 1984 when the poisonous MIC gas leaked from Union Carbide factory at Bhopal. Hundreds of people died and thousands were hospitalized but there were two families – those of Shri Sohan Lal S Khushwaha and Shri M.L.Rathore, living about one mile away from the plant who came out unscathed.These families were regularly performing agnihotra (havan). In these families nobody died,nobody was even hospitalized despite being present in the area worst affected by the leakage of the toxic gas. This observation implies that agnihotra is a proven antidote to pollution. (English Daily-“The Hindu’of 4-5-85; news item under the heading ‘Vedic Way to Beat Pollution’.)

Source :Haindava Keralam

P.S: This is chit chat session. Let the alleged torch bearers of radical thoughts don’t pounce upon me seeking scientific proof.


bhopal_gas_agnihotra.jpg

Source: https://www.hindujagruti.org/news/15349.html

(2) Source: http://www.homatherapy.org/content/vedic-way-beat-pollution-excerpt-hindu-newspaper-april-1985
 
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Vaagmi

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In almost all religions, the hardest one to reason with are those that are rooted in their religious egos.
Religious ego thinks it has to defend his/her God with its beliefs.

Lets rephrase this:

In almost all fields, the hardest one to reason with are those that are rooted in their intellectual egos.
Intellectual ego thinks it has to defend his/her perception.

This is usually seen in high performers intellectual type and usually mistaken as high IQ or confidence/capability but its is actually a Disorder known as Pathological Narcissism or in lay man terms Pathological Arrogance.


When it comes to learning the universal principles taught in our scriptures every one is an Aam-Admi.

True...you included in this Aam Admi list!..no matter what you might want to project about your perception about Ishwara/Brahman/Allah.

A better metaphor to communicate this point is that is we all are afflicted by an epidemic of ignorance. One should cure oneself before thinking of curing others because it is possible to seriously infect others even more with wrong ideas. The only realistic question is if it is possible to understand what is taught.

Its the hardest to self diagnose and treat self but as human we should not try to play Beshajam Bhava Roginam(Physician for the Ailment of Existence) by judging the mode of prayers of others.

By telling people some mumbo jumbo about vibrations of chanting etc there is perpetuation of ignorance.

Words/chanting are sound waves...sound waves cause vibrations of medium.
So why do you feel its ignorance to state that chanting can have vibrations?

Also this meandering about what each Acharya may have said is unnecessary. Why should one believe an Acharya who says to believe in Vedas. The reason Sri Sankara is taken seriously is not because he is deified but because his writing can be understood here and now. Here the understanding is not limited to just a mental activity though it includes that.

Human existence is endowed with an enormous gift which is a faculty of discriminative thinking. Dulling that for anyone including those who are condescendingly called Aam Admi *in this context* is a serious disservice in my view.

Now this is where we have to get real...yes..we humans are endowed with intellect/Viveka/Discriminative Faculty BUT as long as it functions!

Its easy to imagine about understanding Ishwara etc when we are still having normal cognitive functions, what if we lose it in an accident becos of brain injury or get dementia and even forget our name?

That time when there is no reachable memory or cognitive function..what happens to our so called high thinking capability of Understanding Ishwara?

Totally gone!

This itself shows that the MIND can NOT be the means to even grasp the understanding of Ishwara cos if something as the mind could be subject to disease or degeneration that shows that the mind was never the endpoint for understanding the Ultimate.

So what is the endpoint/ultimate for an understanding of Ishwara/Brahman?

Do we really know? Can we really know with senses and intellect?

Nope..no way.

So finally at the end of the day..if one choose to do a 700 stanza Geeta homa with faith or one chooses to try to understand Ishwara there is actually no difference cos both chose to go thru senses and mind both means that are subject to decay or disease.

Renukaji,

A well thought out and presented reply. I would have said the same thing. Good effort. A thumbs up.
 

Janaki Jambunathan

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Such a detailed discussion is necessary to stress the importance of accepting not only Vedas as swatah pramanya but also that of accepting the language in which it is embodied and the order in which it has been available to humanity.(#59)

In that case what was the need for 4000 திவ்யபிரபந்தம் - தமிழ் வேதம்?
 
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tks

tks

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This is interesting - on புகை !

The cause for cancer lung

புகை இல்லை
புகை இலை,!

Information gathered while watching homam recently !

LoL
The only புகை I have heard that is supposed to be good is that of Sambrani.
I have not seen its use in USA.
 

Vaagmi

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Such a detailed discussion is necessary to stress the importance of accepting not only Vedas as swatah pramanya but also that of accepting the language in which it is embodied and the order in which it has been available to humanity.(#59)

In that case what was the need for 4000 திவ்யபிரபந்தம் - தமிழ் வேதம்?

Please try to go to Chidambaram and find out from the Deekshitars there the reason for the existence of the பன்னிரு திருமுறைகள் besides the Vedas. நம்பியாண்டார் நம்பி had taken great pains to bring out these பன்னிரு திருமுறைகள் from the underground chambers in Chidambaram temple to lime light.

Once you get an answer from them you would have got an answer to your querry here too. The answer is the same.

It is better to learn the hard way than to ask questions and get answers here. நோகாமல் நுங்கு தின்ன முயல்வது உடம்புக்குக் கேடு. LOL.
 

Janaki Jambunathan

Well-known member
has been admitted unanimously by all our Acharyas (of vedic religion) that scriptures (vedas) speak the ultimate truth. (#59)
If true then why one more Tamil vedam? Reinventing the wheel!
 

Janaki Jambunathan

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It is better to learn the hard way than to ask questions and get answers here. நோகாமல் நுங்கு தின்ன முயல்வது உடம்புக்குக் கேடு. LOL.[/QUOTE

With no pain by a click sitting in my room I can have that Chidambaram story Are they claimed as vedas?

Don't ask questions it is uncomfortable take my advice name your son Naryana Call him if you need நாெங்கு in your mouth with no pain or efforts!
 

Vaagmi

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It is better to learn the hard way than to ask questions and get answers here. நோகாமல் நுங்கு தின்ன முயல்வது உடம்புக்குக் கேடு. LOL.[/QUOTE

With no pain by a click sitting in my room I can have that Chidambaram story Are they claimed as vedas?

Don't ask questions it is uncomfortable take my advice name your son Naryana Call him if you need நாெங்கு in your mouth with no pain or efforts!

Ask the question to a Dikshitar. He will answer you whether it is Veda or not. Then come here and make it known to other interested individuals. It appears we have here an expert who can convert abstract entities like Narayana into physical juicy entities like Nungu. LOL.

A small doubt: Does calling Narayana not involve any effort? LOL.

Fortunately the word Narayana does not rhyme with the word Nungu. Otherwise the members here would have been treated by the TRR of the forum with some funny, rhyming string of words. LOL. Siva Siva.
 

sravna

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I believe that each person understands religion and God in his own way according to the state of his jivatma. Some go by faith, some try to reason and some others directly see the truth. So there is no one right way to understand God or to pray.

Having said this I would say one should most importantly try to understand one's true nature . Though ultimately the Atman is one's true nature, understanding the jivatma and how it syncs with the overall scheme of things, helps one in forming the right perspective and be at peace with oneself.
 
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