Do not follow any philosophy - what is Surrender to God?

[krish44]

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I was born in a brahmin family. Nothing more. So no issue of integration into a society of which others consider I am a part.I am not a brahmin by conversion lol

Items 1 to 9 above.

I did not undergo any poonool ceremony. so questions 1 to 9 are irrelevant.They make absolutely no sense to me. Thanks if you can understand this reply.

 

[renuka]

Post #74
I was born in a brahmin family. Nothing more. So no issue of integration into a society of which others consider I am a part.I am not a brahmin by conversion lol

Items 1 to 9 above.

I did not undergo any poonool ceremony. so questions 1 to 9 are irrelevant.They make absolutely no sense to me. Thanks if you can understand this reply.

Dear Krish ji,

The true meaning of a Brahmana is One who has Realized Brahman.

So technically there are hardly Brahmanas in the world for Lord Krishna has said in the BG that "Among the thousands that strive to know Me...hardly one knows Me"


So Ma Sucha Krishji...being a Brahmana is not just getting full marks to questions 1-9 in one of the posts above!LOL



Also not to forget...At the Time of Need..Sannihite Kale...Nahi Nahi Rakshatin Naryananaswamy Iyer Ji Ka Sawal!

So let him sing solo "Mere Sawalon Ka...Jawab Do...Do Na?"LOL

 

[Falcon]

So let him sing solo "Mere Sawalon Ka...Jawab Do...Do Na?"LOL

Let him sing solo.......

You people join hands and gather palm leaves... palm leaves high and sing hosannah to the Lord...

 

[krish44]

There are few cowards and weak minded who are passive aggressive and aggressive.

Such people do not stand for anything and surrendering is just ritual to them. They are fake fellows everywhere ( I can name one LOL)

But everyone is not like that. There are genuine people who pray to a deity because of collective value that is placed on what the deity stands for. Just like you 'worship' pieces of papers (until value is taken away collectively by demonetization). You are not worshiping the papers but affirm by your worship the value given by GOI to the paper

There might be some who might pray to a deity for it stands for.

Like who pray to vaidyanathar for health,pray for child birth, marriage to specific deities.

Even in other religions there are Gods like aphrodite greek goddess of love and cupid for romans.

I think people approach God if they have unfulfilled wants or desires and they think with a little support from God they will be fulfilled.

I suppose finally it is a matter of beliefs .

 

[Raji Ram]

There is an advantage in surrendering to God! A bakthA can even scold Him for NOT fulfilling his / her wishes. :rant:

For people who always ask for proof:

Recently, we visited Nageswaraswamy temple in Kumbakonam. An elderly lady, who had smeared 'vibuti' all over her body, was

scolding Lord Natarajar (in the chariot shaped mandapam) for dancing merrily and making ONLY her life miserable! Howzaat?

Photo courtesy: Google images.

 

[renuka]

There is an advantage in surrendering to God! A bakthA can even scold Him for NOT fulfilling his / her wishes. :rant:

For people who always ask for proof:

Recently, we visited Nageswaraswamy temple in Kumbakonam. An elderly lady, who had smeared 'vibuti' all over her body, was

scolding Lord Natarajar (in the chariot shaped mandapam) for dancing merrily and making ONLY her life miserable! Howzaat?

Photo courtesy: Google images.

Thats why Lord Nataraj dances alone.

No one loves Him unconditionally to Tango with Him

 

[thebigthinkg]

This thread is inspired by thread by Mr Prasad (I follow Advaitaphilosophy , but not comfortable with prayer).

Question is Why should a God, the almighty create all these beings and expect them to surrender to Him/Her/It?

What does a devotee surrender? Why does he surrender - because he is afraid? The whole 'philosophy' of total surrender does not make sense


Tried to have a serious conversation about this with someone here who has claimed to have surrendered to his God. Had to only count 1,2,3,4,5 - already he had hit the roof with frustration and went into attack mode hahahaa. So not sure that brand of surrender has worked for him.

LOL He is welcome to respond here LOL May god bless him !

Any insights? Is this surrender thing really taught in Advaita?

Logging here off and on randomly but will follow this thread if there are responses

Thanks

Many of our philosophies are like Socialism. A concept that keeps changing and evolving. Anyone's hat.

It all depends on what you are meaning by 'Surrender'.

"Let's perform our actions to our best and accept whatever results that comes and start from there again" is also a surrender. That's how paramatma operates probably in evolving this Universe. If Jivatma has come from paramatma, then it should have inherited that nature also. In that case it is the 'sva-dharma' of the Jivatma, which is the best mode of operation.

In a way, this is what is called 'randomness' in our nature. Just do what you think is best; but something unintended happens; again do your best from there; something else happens; keep enjoying whatever you get and keep doing your best. Your path may look randomly moving. Like ants that try to align their push and pull (fail, try, improve a little, try, fail...) to the path of phermones, if you have a goal, try to align your random path to the goal. If you don't have any goal, just go where it takes and enjoy every moment of your travel.

This is surrender because you don't torment yourself (and others) for not 'achieving' something. This is surrender because you understand what we call as failure may become success later and what we call as success now may be our failure later..

We can only outgrow-perish or stagnate-perish in the Universe. That's evolution as we observe it. If we chose the path of outgrow-perish, then we have to enjoy every movement of our travel, marshal all our intellect and other resources in moving ahead. If we torment ourselves with despair, then we will only stagnate-perish.

Now what does a devotee surrender to God..? To do what I described above, a devotee has to surrender or give-up the 'aham-kAra'.

Aham-kAra that says my internal properties, properties that I have is what is driving this action to be successful and hence I need to be successful. Instead realize that our actions are successfull not just because of our 'aham-kAra' (internal properties) but as a result of millions of other's aham-kAras (internal properties) around us and it is not possible for us to control all of them. So the best way forward is to accept what we receive and go forward.

Hence this 'surrender' is perfectly logical.

If your question is ' Is Chanting the name of a God' equal to 'Surrendering to God'..?, then my answer is, in my view, it is, if it helps develop the above behavior.

If your question is ' Is Surrendering to God' equal to 'be resigned to your fate', then my answer is, in my view, NO.

If your question is ' Is Surrendering to God' equal to 'Surrendering to a Godman', then my answer is, No and Yes. No, if it does not help you develop the above behavior. Yes, if it helps develop the above behavior.

-TBT

 

[zebra16]

But everyone is not like that. There are genuine people who pray to a deity because of collective value that is placed on what the deity stands for. Just like you 'worship' pieces of papers (until value is taken away collectively by demonetization). You are not worshiping the papers but affirm by your worship the value given by GOI to the paper

My upvote for this portion of the message. Makes a lot of sense.

 

[Vaagmi]

There are few cowards and weak minded who are passive aggressive and aggressive.

Such people do not stand for anything and surrendering is just ritual to them. They are fake fellows everywhere ( I can name one LOL)

But everyone is not like that. There are genuine people who pray to a deity because of collective value that is placed on what the deity stands for. Just like you 'worship' pieces of papers (until value is taken away collectively by demonetization). You are not worshiping the papers but affirm by your worship the value given by GOI to the paper

What a brilliance in display without any personal malice. There I give a thums up. LORL.

 

[GNANA SUNYAM]

Not long ago, there lived a philosopher, who is no longer alive and who enlightened(?), un-conditioned and un-programmed a few.

He said, 'when you know that you know, you dont know that you dont know. when you know that you dont know, then you dont know that you know. when you know that you dont know, you know. when you dont know that you know, then you know........You are when you are not. You are not when you are........"

Applying the above priniciple, when you surrender, then you dont surrender. when you dont surrender, then you surrender.

there are some who do not follow this philosopher, follow this philosopher. there are the rest who follow this philosopher, do not follow this philosopher.

P.S: Those who never knew about this philosopher, lived happily ever after.

 

[a-TB]

Not long ago, there lived a philosopher, who is no longer alive and who enlightened(?), un-conditioned and un-programmed a few.

He said, 'when you know that you know, you dont know that you dont know. when you know that you dont know, then you dont know that you know. when you know that you dont know, you know. when you dont know that you know, then you know........You are when you are not. You are not when you are........"

Applying the above priniciple, when you surrender, then you dont surrender. when you dont surrender, then you surrender.

there are some who do not follow this philosopher, follow this philosopher. there are the rest who follow this philosopher, do not follow this philosopher.

P.S: Those who never knew about this philosopher, lived happily ever after.

Very interesting ideas, Mr Gnana Sunyam.. Thanks

 

[a-TB]

My upvote for this portion of the message. Makes a lot of sense.

Thank you, Mr Zebra

 

[a-TB]

Many of our philosophies are like Socialism. A concept that keeps changing and evolving. Anyone's hat.

It all depends on what you are meaning by 'Surrender'.

"Let's perform our actions to our best and accept whatever results that comes and start from there again" is also a surrender. That's how paramatma operates probably in evolving this Universe. If Jivatma has come from paramatma, then it should have inherited that nature also. In that case it is the 'sva-dharma' of the Jivatma, which is the best mode of operation.

In a way, this is what is called 'randomness' in our nature. Just do what you think is best; but something unintended happens; again do your best from there; something else happens; keep enjoying whatever you get and keep doing your best. Your path may look randomly moving. Like ants that try to align their push and pull (fail, try, improve a little, try, fail...) to the path of phermones, if you have a goal, try to align your random path to the goal. If you don't have any goal, just go where it takes and enjoy every moment of your travel.

This is surrender because you don't torment yourself (and others) for not 'achieving' something. This is surrender because you understand what we call as failure may become success later and what we call as success now may be our failure later..

We can only outgrow-perish or stagnate-perish in the Universe. That's evolution as we observe it. If we chose the path of outgrow-perish, then we have to enjoy every movement of our travel, marshal all our intellect and other resources in moving ahead. If we torment ourselves with despair, then we will only stagnate-perish.

Now what does a devotee surrender to God..? To do what I described above, a devotee has to surrender or give-up the 'aham-kAra'.

Aham-kAra that says my internal properties, properties that I have is what is driving this action to be successful and hence I need to be successful. Instead realize that our actions are successfull not just because of our 'aham-kAra' (internal properties) but as a result of millions of other's aham-kAras (internal properties) around us and it is not possible for us to control all of them. So the best way forward is to accept what we receive and go forward.

Hence this 'surrender' is perfectly logical.

If your question is ' Is Chanting the name of a God' equal to 'Surrendering to God'..?, then my answer is, in my view, it is, if it helps develop the above behavior.

If your question is ' Is Surrendering to God' equal to 'be resigned to your fate', then my answer is, in my view, NO.

If your question is ' Is Surrendering to God' equal to 'Surrendering to a Godman', then my answer is, No and Yes. No, if it does not help you develop the above behavior. Yes, if it helps develop the above behavior.

-TBT

Thank you Mr TBT.

Did not understand the Atma discussion, why there are two Atma etc
But message about how to view surrender is very interesting .. sounds like message of Gita ..

It is a different view of surrender that is interesting