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Are We Really Concerned About Our Community?????Let us do a Retrospective Analysis

Dear All
Good Morning...
This Question comes to my very often...Don't know How many of you have the same experience.
And If we say Yes... then we cheat ourselves.. If we Say No.. we cheat our Community..
We are hanging in between..
I don't see an absolute Unity among us.. We Just react to the situation and vanish from there scene or forget everything till the next incident comes.
But No concrete steps taken to strengthen our community.
Just helping for education, Medical and Marriage is not going to change the way our community is look at..These are all just a momentary solutions..
We might be a minority...But with unity we can transform our community.
We need to go back to the period where we actually left everything to give a better future to the Next Gen...
Our Culture, Our System, Our Way of Life...Most of us are totally away from it... and caught in the Vicious Cycle..Even if we try to break or come out of it.. we fail and of course its next to impossible.
But we can try again and again and should start some where...
But we can change the future of the Next Gen..
The success of other Communities are because of our failure...
We can Change this...But only when we go back to the period where we left and start from there..
We can Talk... Talk and Talk...
But I hope to get a concrete action Plan for the future...
I'm not a rebellion.. but a warrior Brahmin..Fight for the right..
I'm hoping for a constructive conversation and a first step towards it..
Jai Shri Ram...
 

prasad1

Gold Member
Gold Member
Dear All
Good Morning...
This Question comes to my very often...Don't know How many of you have the same experience.
And If we say Yes... then we cheat ourselves.. If we Say No.. we cheat our Community..
We are hanging in between..
I don't see an absolute Unity among us.. We Just react to the situation and vanish from there scene or forget everything till the next incident comes.
But No concrete steps taken to strengthen our community.
Just helping for education, Medical and Marriage is not going to change the way our community is look at..These are all just a momentary solutions..
We might be a minority...But with unity we can transform our community.
We need to go back to the period where we actually left everything to give a better future to the Next Gen...
Our Culture, Our System, Our Way of Life...Most of us are totally away from it... and caught in the Vicious Cycle..Even if we try to break or come out of it.. we fail and of course its next to impossible.
But we can try again and again and should start some where...
But we can change the future of the Next Gen..
The success of other Communities are because of our failure...
We can Change this...But only when we go back to the period where we left and start from there..
We can Talk... Talk and Talk...
But I hope to get a concrete action Plan for the future...
I'm not a rebellion.. but a warrior Brahmin..Fight for the right..
I'm hoping for a constructive conversation and a first step towards it..
Jai Shri Ram...

Who or What is the community? Please define.
To me, Humanity is the community. I strive to help Humanity.
I support my local business. I support my local Temple.
One of my close family Friend happens to TB.
 
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rameshkrishnn

Member
I'm Talking about Brahmin Community and this Forum is for Us.
I agree with you on the Humanity. Of Course we all have it and should have it.
Helping is just one aspect of what I was talking about. Its not helping alone.
We are loosing our values, our responsibilities, our culture....In search of nothing.
How to retrieve it...
This what i mean on the whole
 

renuka

Gold Member
Gold Member
Dear All
Good Morning...
This Question comes to my very often...Don't know How many of you have the same experience.
And If we say Yes... then we cheat ourselves.. If we Say No.. we cheat our Community..
We are hanging in between..
I don't see an absolute Unity among us.. We Just react to the situation and vanish from there scene or forget everything till the next incident comes.
But No concrete steps taken to strengthen our community.
Just helping for education, Medical and Marriage is not going to change the way our community is look at..These are all just a momentary solutions..
We might be a minority...But with unity we can transform our community.
We need to go back to the period where we actually left everything to give a better future to the Next Gen...
Our Culture, Our System, Our Way of Life...Most of us are totally away from it... and caught in the Vicious Cycle..Even if we try to break or come out of it.. we fail and of course its next to impossible.
But we can try again and again and should start some where...
But we can change the future of the Next Gen..
The success of other Communities are because of our failure...
We can Change this...But only when we go back to the period where we left and start from there..
We can Talk... Talk and Talk...
But I hope to get a concrete action Plan for the future...
I'm not a rebellion.. but a warrior Brahmin..Fight for the right..
I'm hoping for a constructive conversation and a first step towards it..
Jai Shri Ram...

Welcome to the world of humans.
Its not peculiar to any community.

Firstly as humans we have been using the word warrior too much.
From Covid Warrior to anything else.
These days its all about Fight! Fight! Fight!
Everything is about empowerment and challenge.

This is where we humans make a grave mistake.

Words like Fight, Warrior, Empowerment, Challenge function at the level of emotions.
Emotions by passes the intellect but it uses up substrates and it is exhausting and after any initial war cry everything dies down like how the fizz of a carbonated drink goes off on opening the bottle.

When we humans function at the level of the intellect this is where problems are solved.
Any endeavor should first be planned by keeping emotions under check.

If we read the Geeta we would know that Lord Krishna never stirred up the emotions of Arjuna to make him a all reactive warrior.
Lord Krishna analysed the situation and made sure Arjuna was functioning at the level of the intellect in order to execute his enemies.

A real warrior isn't an emotional mess.
A warrior is always focused in the NOW and not lament and cry and talk about big dreams yet do nothing but get dejected.
This is the state which Lord Krishna called Anarya(the state of being an emotional mess)

So if we as humans want to embark anything firstly get a hold of our emotions, plan small scale in the NOW.
Not to worry too much of the outcome becos if we are 24/7 in the NOW any problem is rectified right away hence it would only improve.

Also finally be realistic.
What are your criteria for success?
Is it just the material scale?
If its only material we very well know Covid 19 could have even robbed away our lives.

So what change are you looking for?
Ask yourself and firstly make that change within you..its the Man in the Mirror after all that can make the change.
Most important we humans have to accept that we are never the real planner.
Covid 19 put all plans on hold.
May be its a reminder to us that we humans are just proxies and nothing more.
So submit to the Higher Power and plan with His will and not your will.

God willing you would see some light for your endeavor.
 
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prasad1

Gold Member
Gold Member
I'm Talking about Brahmin Community and this Forum is for Us.
I agree with you on the Humanity. Of Course we all have it and should have it.
Helping is just one aspect of what I was talking about. Its not helping alone.
We are loosing our values, our responsibilities, our culture....In search of nothing.
How to retrieve it...
This what i mean on the whole

I am sorry to disappoint you, Please read about this site.
This site is open to all. We have members who are non-Hindus, non-Brahmins, non-Indians, and everything else in this site. The owner of the site welcomes all. So this forum is for humans, not "Us".

I probably have more in common with my martian neighbor than an Assamese Brahmin. (just a joke).

Yes, I too have a nostalgic memory of days gone by, oh we were poor but happy. Would I want to go back to that life? No.
I never lived in an agraharam, nor would I want to live in one.
 
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rameshkrishnn

Member
Welcome to the world of humans.
Its not peculiar to any community.

Firstly as humans we have been using the word warrior too much.
From Covid Warrior to anything else.
These days its all about Fight! Fight! Fight!
Everything is about empowerment and challenge.

This is where we humans make a grave mistake.

Words like Fight, Warrior, Empowerment, Challenge function at the level of emotions.
Emotions by passes the intellect but it uses up substrates and it is exhausting and after any initial war cry everything dies down like how the fizz of a carbonated drink goes off on opening the bottle.

When we humans function at the level of the intellect this is where problems are solved.
Any endeavor should first be planned by keeping emotions under check.

If we read the Geeta we would know that Lord Krishna never stirred up the emotions of Arjuna to make him a all reactive warrior.
Lord Krishna analysed the situation and made sure Arjuna was functioning at the level of the intellect in order to execute his enemies.

A real warrior isn't an emotional mess.
A warrior is always focused in the NOW and not lament and cry and talk about big dreams yet do nothing but get dejected.
This is the state which Lord Krishna called Anarya(the state of being an emotional mess)

So if we as humans want to embark anything firstly get a hold of our emotions, plan small scale in the NOW.
Not to worry too much of the outcome becos if we are 24/7 in the NOW any problem is rectified right away hence it would only improve.

Also finally be realistic.
What are your criteria for success?
Is it just the material scale?
If its only material we very well know Covid 19 could have even robbed away our lives.

So what change are you looking for?
Ask yourself and firstly make that change within you..its the Man in the Mirror after all that can make the change.
Most important we humans have to accept that we are never the real planner.
Covid 19 put all plans on hold.
May be its a reminder to us that we humans are just proxies and nothing more.
So submit to the Higher Power and plan with His will and not your will.

God willing you would see some light for your endeavor.


Thanks for your reply.
Is talking about our own community is In-Human?
Common Guys..
Just I talk about Brahmin Community it dosent mean that I dont have humanity. I know
Where I have to be Human and where I have to be Brahmin and support my community.
There is a huge difference on your understanding of my message..
I just asked how to make our brahmin Community strong and bring back the Old Glory.
Seems no one is ready to do that.. rather give these kinds of explanations.
This is what I said in my message.... we done have unity..
We are carried away by the social media messages.
Nothing more to explain....

Only God can save our Community........??????????/
 

renuka

Gold Member
Gold Member
Thanks for your reply.
Is talking about our own community is In-Human?
Common Guys..
Just I talk about Brahmin Community it dosent mean that I dont have humanity. I know
Where I have to be Human and where I have to be Brahmin and support my community.
There is a huge difference on your understanding of my message..
I just asked how to make our brahmin Community strong and bring back the Old Glory.
Seems no one is ready to do that.. rather give these kinds of explanations.
This is what I said in my message.... we done have unity..
We are carried away by the social media messages.
Nothing more to explain....

Only God can save our Community........??????????/


I think you got me wrong.
I meant all humanity feels the same, that they want to empower or uplift their community but finally nothing can really be done becos a change needs to start at an individual level.

May be you can first start by stating your plans so everyone can give you a feedback.

Another word most Hindus use is "bring back the old glory"

Now, this is the root cause of the whole problem.

Why live in the past?
Glory too is not to be sought.
Glory is just the projection of our own mind to make itself feel good and totally feel we are the doer.

In Hinduism..Glory or fame isnt something to be sought rather one should uplift himself by his effort sans seeking to glorify his efforts and attribute every undertaking to God.

That is how one can effectively live in the NOW and focus on the NOW.
If one has already set goals to be Glorious..one wont focus on the process of getting things right.
Nothing would hit the target.

Just like how if we want to shoot a target we should only focus on the target and nothing else.
Remember the story in Mahabharat where Arjuna was the only one who saw the target but the other Pandavas said they saw the tree, the leaves and the target?

Likewise..leave glory out of the equation, leave the past out of the equation..these are distractions and would generate unwanted anxiety and expectations..just focus on the NOW of what you desire to do for your community.

That's what I was trying to convey as to be less emotional.
When we seek glory even of a glorious past we go into emotional mode.
The intellect mode does not allow the past or future to cloud its judgement becos technically the past or future does not exists and we only had a screen play of infinite NOWs.

So may be you list out what you wish to repair for your community.
It would be easier if there is a plan in the NOW.
 
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rameshkrishnn

Member
This is what I mean
We need to go back to the period where we actually left everything to give a better future to the Next Gen...
Our Culture, Our System, Our Way of Life...Most of us are totally away from it... and caught in the Vicious Cycle..Even if we try to break or come out of it.. we fail and of course its next to impossible.
But we can try again and again and should start some where...
But we can change the future of the Next Gen..
The success of other Communities are because of our failure...
We can Change this...But only when we go back to the period where we left and start from there..

Of course I started in my Life...

There is a Proverb in Tamil..

" THANIMARAM THOPPAAGAATHU"

Hoping of getting some constructive Discussion.....

Naama Seyyavendiya ethaiyum Seyyalai nnu Purinjikka mudiyatha alavukku, naama ellarum maarittom...
 

renuka

Gold Member
Gold Member
This is what I mean
We need to go back to the period where we actually left everything to give a better future to the Next Gen...
Our Culture, Our System, Our Way of Life...Most of us are totally away from it... and caught in the Vicious Cycle..Even if we try to break or come out of it.. we fail and of course its next to impossible.
But we can try again and again and should start some where...
But we can change the future of the Next Gen..
The success of other Communities are because of our failure...
We can Change this...But only when we go back to the period where we left and start from there..

Of course I started in my Life...

There is a Proverb in Tamil..

" THANIMARAM THOPPAAGAATHU"

Hoping of getting some constructive Discussion.....

Naama Seyyavendiya ethaiyum Seyyalai nnu Purinjikka mudiyatha alavukku, naama ellarum maarittom...

Why go back?
Just start in the NOW.

Times have changed and repair has to be in accordance with the NOW.
No one can apply values of the past in the present.

In the past women seldom or never worked outside of home..now women work outside of home.

Technology too has changed.

So no one can reset the clock to the past.

Also depends on mindset of an individual.
Not everyone these days wants to identify too much with outward cultural conditioning and rites and rituals.


These days many individuals prefer paths that pave way for application of vedanta in day to day life and not really the Karma khanda part of the Vedas as in rites and traditions.

So not many might want to be bound by outward identity though they might retain the core values.

Firstly kindly define what you expect a Tamil Brahmin to be like..then may be others in Forum might able to give input( i dont belong to the Tamil Brahmin community hence my answers are always general spiritual views rather than strong cultural views)

Btw success is a universal phenomenon..no nation can be successful if some communities excel and the others fail.

All our mantras are for universal well being.
 

Brahmanyan

Well-known member
We cannot turn the clock back to regain the "glory" of our "community". Neither we can stop the change, which is the order of nature. We have to accept the change and proceed further. Contentment and service to humanity will bring inner happiness. These two aspects our present generation has forgotten.

If we desire so, we can send our children to Veda Padasalas to study Vedic knowledge. But how many of us will be ready to do so?

Let us discard and break all the artificial barriers we have put around us in the name of community, caste, religion, language etc and share the gifts of nature with all living beings.
Wishing you well,
Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
 

krish44

Gold Member
Gold Member
I find that those engaged in service of general public like Doctors tend to think of service to humanity.
Changes in thinking of community as such
Can be brought about only if the majority feels it would be good for them or atleast they feel it is not harmful .
Communities have a way of taking care of themselves without a messiah coming to their rescue .
My best wishes to our young friend Ramesh who is itching to serve people belonging to a specific community .
 

tbs

Well-known member
hi

i think....we can see as COMMUNITY OF AVANI AVITTAM DAY.....now this corona times....this activity is also

more virtual now a days....lol
 

prasad1

Gold Member
Gold Member
We cannot turn the clock back to regain the "glory" of our "community". Neither we can stop the change, which is the order of nature. We have to accept the change and proceed further. Contentment and service to humanity will bring inner happiness. These two aspects our present generation has forgotten.

If we desire so, we can send our children to Veda Padasalas to study Vedic knowledge. But how many of us will be ready to do so?

Let us discard and break all the artificial barriers we have put around us in the name of community, caste, religion, language etc and share the gifts of nature with all living beings.
Wishing you well,
Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
Mr. Brahmanyan, Good to see you back.
Thoughtful and balanced analysis and solution.
 

prasad1

Gold Member
Gold Member
Like Mr. Brahmanyan says, we need to accept the changes and make most of the situation.

This song expresses it best.


Bobby McFerrin Lyrics

"Don't Worry, Be Happy"

Here's a little song I wrote
You might want to sing it note for note
Don't worry, be happy
In every life we have some trouble
When you worry you make it double
Don't worry, be happy
Don't worry, be happy now

Ooh, ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Don't worry)
Ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Be happy)
Ooh oo-ooh oo-ooh
(Don't worry, be happy)
Ooh, ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Don't worry)
Ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Be happy)
Ooh oo-ooh oo-ooh
(Don't worry, be happy)

Ain't got no place to lay your head
Somebody came and took your bed
Don't worry, be happy
The landlord say your rent is late
He may have to litigate
Don't worry, be happy
(Look at me I'm happy)

Ooh, ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Don't worry)
Ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Be Happy)
Ooh oo-ooh oo-ooh
Here I give you my phone number
When you worry call me, I make you happy
Ooh, ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Don't worry)
Ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Be happy)
Ooh oo-ooh oo-ooh

Ain't got no cash, ain't got no style
Ain't got no gal to make you smile
But don't worry, be happy
'Cause when you worry your face will frown
And that will bring everybody down
So don't worry, be happy
Don't worry, be happy now

Ooh, ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Don't worry)
Ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Be happy)
Ooh oo-ooh oo-ooh
Don't worry, be happy
Ooh, ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Don't worry)
Ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Be happy)
Ooh oo-ooh oo-ooh
Don't worry, be happy

Now there, is this song I wrote
I hope you learned it note for note
Like good little children
Don't worry, be happy
Listen to what I say
In your life expect some trouble
When you worry you make it double
Don't worry, be happy, be happy now

Ooh, ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Don't worry)
Ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Be happy)
Ooh oo-ooh oo-ooh
Don't worry, be happy
Ooh, ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Don't worry)
Ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Be happy)
Ooh oo-ooh oo-ooh
Don't worry, be happy

Ooh, ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Don't worry)
Ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Don't worry, don't worry, don't do it, be happy)
Ooh oo-ooh oo-ooh
(Put a smile on your face, don't bring everybody down like this)
Ooh, ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(Don't worry)
Ooh oo-ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh
(It will soon pass, whatever it is)
Ooh oo-ooh oo-ooh
Don't worry, be happy
Ooh oo-ooh oo-ooh
I'm not worried, I'm happy
 

prasad1

Gold Member
Gold Member
Maybe I do not see what others are seeing. My parents left TN (Or Madras) in the1905. My father gave up all his land in the village to his brothers. So we used to visit TN but never got into life there.

My wife's family moved back to Rajasthan from Burma.

We do-follow some TB culture, TB cooking, TB festivals, Tamil language. But nothing more. Now we live in the USA. So I suppose I do not have the same attachments others have, particularly those who never left TN (mentally), even if they live in Dubai, Delhi, or Dallas.
 

prasad1

Gold Member
Gold Member
Jai Shri Ram...

Just an observation.
You yourself promoting a Non-Brahmin who killed a Brahmin.
Should we identify with a Brahmin behaving badly or a Non-Brahmin?

I am not anti-God, or DMK sympathizer.
To me, I support Ram and not Ravan, without caste identity.
 
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rameshkrishnn

Member
Thanks to all your comments.
I can see a very strong socio-economic factor...and justifications...
I wont say its wrong.. by all means its correct.
I never said we have to go back 400 centuries back...BUT
wanted to look back what we were doing then, and start doing what we can do immediately.
If people get offended for me being a pro-brahmin person, I am sorry..
Yadhava Kulam eppadi thannai thaane azhiththukkondatho.. athe nilaiyil thaan indraiya Bhramin samoogamum irukkirathu.
I have already started personally....
Just though to see some like minded people, so that make it a movement..
but with this kind of conversations and opinions... feel its not going to be fruitful...
in Fact at some point of time there will be a verbal-war..
Until we stop Justifying our short-falls and blame others... nothing can be changed.
Thanks All
 

prasad1

Gold Member
Gold Member
Thanks to all your comments.
I can see a very strong socio-economic factor...and justifications...
I wont say its wrong.. by all means its correct.
I never said we have to go back 400 centuries back...BUT
wanted to look back what we were doing then, and start doing what we can do immediately.
If people get offended for me being a pro-brahmin person, I am sorry..
Yadhava Kulam eppadi thannai thaane azhiththukkondatho.. athe nilaiyil thaan indraiya Bhramin samoogamum irukkirathu.
I have already started personally....
Just though to see some like minded people, so that make it a movement..
but with this kind of conversations and opinions... feel its not going to be fruitful...
in Fact at some point of time there will be a verbal-war..
Until we stop Justifying our short-falls and blame others... nothing can be changed.
Thanks All

Rameshkrishnanji,

You seem frustrated. Your point is worth considering. In India caste politics, numbers do play a part.
It may not be important to all. Others have their priorities, and passion elsewhere.
When your point is not prevailing it can be due to two problems.
1. The audience can not understand the issue.
2. The problem is not explained well.

So if are passionate about an issue don't just give up, make a case for it. Frame the problem properly and may suggest the parameters.

For instance, if you said that this community you are talking about is specific to a village in TN.
Then To me, it is not something I can do, so I will refrain from making observations based on worldwide view.
I wish you well.
 

renuka

Gold Member
Gold Member
Thanks to all your comments.
I can see a very strong socio-economic factor...and justifications...
I wont say its wrong.. by all means its correct.
I never said we have to go back 400 centuries back...BUT
wanted to look back what we were doing then, and start doing what we can do immediately.
If people get offended for me being a pro-brahmin person, I am sorry..
Yadhava Kulam eppadi thannai thaane azhiththukkondatho.. athe nilaiyil thaan indraiya Bhramin samoogamum irukkirathu.
I have already started personally....
Just though to see some like minded people, so that make it a movement..
but with this kind of conversations and opinions... feel its not going to be fruitful...
in Fact at some point of time there will be a verbal-war..
Until we stop Justifying our short-falls and blame others... nothing can be changed.
Thanks All
Sir...why are you making a comparison with the Yadu clan and sounding as if one is fore seeing destruction.
I find this surprising when you want to do something for your community but at the same time sounding so much like uttering a " curse"


Btw you havent really listed your plan of action.
 

usaiyer

Active member
#1 ,I agree ,Rameshkrishnn.
Unity in the community is the stumbling block for making it go forward'I can see communities like
Jains,Chettiars they are having some some community focus and have unity and forge ahead on
common grounds, Your purpose is perhaps is a similar one.
with unity much can be achieved than without it.I agree.But a movement for this! How to go about it?
As a loner or few individuals ,how far you can pull the Ther.?
 

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