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Are we hypocrites?

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1 Upanayanam is the initiation of a boy into the study of the Veda. We celebrate the function grandly but never intend that the boy should study Veda. Nor do we care whether he performs Sandhyavandhanam or not.

2 We do Vedharambam (beginning to study Veda after the summer holidays) every Avani Avittam day quite solemnly with all paraphernalia like wearing a new poonol, Kandarishi Tharpanam and Vyasa Homam, knowing well we are not going to follow it up the next day. The bigger irony is we perform Kamokarsheet Japam every year which is done to ward off the ‘sin’ of continuing the Vedic study beyond the full moon day of Thai month.

3 The newly wed husband points to the ceiling of the kalyana mandapam in broad daylight and asks his wife, “Did you see the star Arundhathi?” She faithfully replies in the affirmative!

4 We talk of Brahmin unity but we can not agree even in printing a common marriage invitation of both the parties.

5 When two NBs meet, they address each other in endearing terms such as anna, thambi. But we address each other as ‘Sir’ in a foreign tongue.

6 We have long given up performing Vaishvadevam. But we insist that the cooking platform should face west.

7 On vratam days we were enjoined to take light food of fruits. Now our tongues require spicy and heavy food like iddly, dosai etc. We call it palaharam, fruit diet!

8 We hold our Paramacharya in high esteem. But we would never heed to his advice of celebrating simple marriage and avoidance of silk clothes.

Seems we have given up the essence of our culture and are clinging on to the external symbols. That too will go away in course of time.

Take heart! All is not lost. We still have the capacity of introspection and the boldness to laugh at ourselves. We have the picture of an ideal Brahmin constantly before our mental eyes. We still feel guilty at not being able to live up to it. That is why we cling to the symbols as a poor substitute. That is termed as hypocrisy.

A spark may turn into a wild fire one day. Who knows?
vikrama
 

KRS

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The definition of a 'hypocrite' is one's actions that are contrary to one's belief.

Sorry, but I fail to understand the hypocrisy that is involved in each of your points above.

People are doing what they believe in doing. Where is the 'hypocrisy' in that? When Paramacharyal was asked why people were not following His edict - He replied: 'Perhaps I have not done enough Tapas to influence them'.

So why do you assume that we are not living the way we are supposed to live today? what is 'lost' today? Why should one not lose heart?

Regards,
KRS
 
to:sri VIKRAMA ji, A very good post. We failed because that we have not select a GURU who is self realized and GOD realized.All our vedam's teaching s to go inside and enjoy the supreme being but we all infulenced by MAYA and OUR Sanchitha, Proratha,and Kriyaman Karmas we thing the gilttering worldly things are Permenentand we are going to live here only permenand. So we lost so many Identity.Our Fore fathers 100% TB'S our grandfather 75% and our Father 50% and today we are 25% what about our child's a big 0%. We must think about a big vacum is there to fill Air we are all join together and bring back the gloryof TB's. s.r.k.
 
I would beg to disagree. If these are hypocrisy, almost all communities and religions have their own dose of hypocrisy. The only difference is that we are insignificant in political terms and therefore we are exposed by all and sundry.
 

pbkhema

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We are definitely not hypocrites.But sheer lazy.
Another thing times have changed.We are in Kali yugam
As far as a brahmin is concerened as pronounced by the Maha Sannidhanam more thana decade or so back is that all cannot now practice Veda.But a Brahmin should live by using his brains and not work manually or by lending money etc
 

kunjuppu

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pbkhema, ananth, essarkey, vikrama and rest of the public,

pray let me echo krs :)

what is your problem guys? you have not written what is bugging you.

except that you are bugged and unhappy and losing your bearings!

how come? what is happening here? can any one of you drill down a little deeper, and come up with solid statements, in your own personal life as to why you feel so despondent?

all generalizations including this one, is faulty. all i find from your postings is some broad brushed statements, without any basis to support it.

vikrama, what is wrong with evolvin? 450 years ago, our ancestors did not know moLagai, potato and tomato. are you unhappy that these are part of your diets.

if so, for how many day back to back can you eat thevasa saappaadu? for your information sir, that was the norm vegetarian brahmin diet prior to european introduced spices and vegetables.

sirs, i think, we as tamil brahmins, as a whole, are living with a prosperity unparalleled in our history.

have you found any brahmin beggars? any brahmins in the cheris of chennai?

so, what is the problem? is it a guilt out of living so good?

may i suggest a remedy then?

give. keep giving. continue to give till it hurts.

adopt a poor brahmin boy/girl from an education viewpoint. adopt a sick brahmin gent/lady from a medical need viewpoint.

can't find a brahmin? look outside your caste.

there are enough with dire needs. which makes your whine a source of snickery.

come on sirs, with all your education and wisdom, it does not behoove well of a tamil brahmin to whine.

carpe diem.

today is better than yesterday, but worse than tomorrow.

be optimistic.

thank you.
 
1 Upanayanam is the initiation of a boy into the study of the Veda. We celebrate the function grandly but never intend that the boy should study Veda. Nor do we care whether he performs Sandhyavandhanam or not.

2 We do Vedharambam (beginning to study Veda after the summer holidays) every Avani Avittam day quite solemnly with all paraphernalia like wearing a new poonol, Kandarishi Tharpanam and Vyasa Homam, knowing well we are not going to follow it up the next day. The bigger irony is we perform Kamokarsheet Japam every year which is done to ward off the ‘sin’ of continuing the Vedic study beyond the full moon day of Thai month.

3 The newly wed husband points to the ceiling of the kalyana mandapam in broad daylight and asks his wife, “Did you see the star Arundhathi?” She faithfully replies in the affirmative!

4 We talk of Brahmin unity but we can not agree even in printing a common marriage invitation of both the parties.

5 When two NBs meet, they address each other in endearing terms such as anna, thambi. But we address each other as ‘Sir’ in a foreign tongue.

6 We have long given up performing Vaishvadevam. But we insist that the cooking platform should face west.

7 On vratam days we were enjoined to take light food of fruits. Now our tongues require spicy and heavy food like iddly, dosai etc. We call it palaharam, fruit diet!

8 We hold our Paramacharya in high esteem. But we would never heed to his advice of celebrating simple marriage and avoidance of silk clothes.

Seems we have given up the essence of our culture and are clinging on to the external symbols. That too will go away in course of time.

Take heart! All is not lost. We still have the capacity of introspection and the boldness to laugh at ourselves. We have the picture of an ideal Brahmin constantly before our mental eyes. We still feel guilty at not being able to live up to it. That is why we cling to the symbols as a poor substitute. That is termed as hypocrisy.

A spark may turn into a wild fire one day. Who knows?
vikrama

Hilarious, and on the dot. I do believe that the emphasis on ritualism in our culture is a prime reason for some of these dissonances.

We need to filter out and weed out what is practical and yet adheres to the principles our forefathers laid out before us. Having said that we should perform all ceremonies which preserve the spirit and symbolism of our religion, so that our future generations are reminded of and follow what our culture is. It is impossible and impractical to expect any sweeping changes to stabilize in what we consider a true, non-hypocritical, brahminical lifestyle, however, each of us can make a small contribution to the religion by following the basic precepts and ethics of our religion consciously. We need reform, so our religious leaders should come together and dynamically and actively decide the containers with which we propagate our faith.
 
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vikrama
Avani avittam

ஆச்சு, இன்னுமொரு ஆவணி அவிட்டம் வந்துட்டுப் போயிடுத்து. இன்னிக்கு விடிகாலம்பற, நம்ம எல்லாரோட கனவிலேயும் வேத வியாசர் வந்தார். “ஏண்டா பசங்களா, தை மாசம் பௌர்ணமியோட வேத அத்யயனத்தை மூட்டை கட்டி வைக்கணும்னு நான் சொல்லியிருக்கேன், நீங்க பாட்டுக்கு தொடர்ந்து செய்துண்டே இருக்கேளே”ன்னு அதட்டினார். நாம எல்லோரும் என்ன சொன்னோம்? “பெரியவா கோச்சுக்கப்படாது. காலம்பற எழுந்த உடனே பிராயச்சித்தம் பண்ணிடறோம்”னு சொன்னோம். அதே போல காலம்பற சந்தியாவந்தனம் பண்ணின உடனே “தேவாள்ளாம் என்னை மன்னிக்கணும். அத்யயனத்தை உத்ஸர்ஜனம் பண்ணாதது என் தப்பில்லை, அது காமம் செய்தது, கோபம் செய்தது, எனக்கும் அதுக்கும் சம்பந்தமில்லே”ன்னு 108 தடவை சொன்னோம். உடனே வியாசர் மறுபடியும் வேதாரம்பம் பண்றதுக்கு நமக்கு அனுமதி கொடுத்துட்டார். நாமும் சிரத்தையா, புதுப் பூணல் போட்டுண்டு நாலு காண்ட ரிஷிகளுக்கும் மூணு உபநிஷத் தேவதைகளுக்கும் எள் அட்சதை கலந்த ஜலத்தை விட்டுத் திருப்தி பண்ணினோம். அப்புறம் வியாசருக்குப் பூஜை எல்லாம் பண்ணி இஷேத்வா ஊர்ஜேத்வான்னு யஜுர்வேதம் ஆரம்பிச்சோம். அஇஉண், ருலுக், ஏஓங், ஐஔச் எல்லாம் சொன்னோம். தெருவிலே பாத்தா ஒரே பிரம்மண்யம். பட்டு வேஷ்டி பஞ்சகச்சம் பஞ்சபாத்ரத்தோடே பிராம்மணாள்ளாம் நிர்ப்பயமா வேத கோஷம் பண்ணிண்டு போறா. மாமிகள்ளாம் மடிசார் கட்டிண்டு ஆரத்தி எடுத்து இந்த வேத வித்யார்த்திகள வரவேற்கறா. அடாடா என்ன ஒரு வைதீக சிரத்தை! கலியுகத்திலே வேதாப்பியாஸக் குறைவுன்னு பஞ்சாங்கத்திலே போட்டிருக்கான். ஆனா, இங்கே பாத்தா கிருத யுகமே வந்துடுத்தோன்னு தோண்றது.
இதப் பாத்து சந்தோஷப்பட்டுண்டு போளி ஆமவடை பாயசம் சாப்பிட்டுட்டு நீர் பாட்டுக்கு போயிண்டே இருப்பீரா, வீணா ஏங்காணும் அழுது புலம்பறரீர்னு நம்ம குஞ்சுப்பு அண்ணா கேக்கறார். இதத் தான் எங்க ஊரு பிராமண சமாஜ பிரசிடெண்டும் சொன்னார், மல்லாக்கப் படுத்துண்டு எச்சல் துப்பாதேன்னு. அதாவது நம்ம குறையை நாமே சொல்லிக்கப் படாதாம்.

லோகோ பின்ன ருசி:. அவாவா சொல்றது அவாவாளுக்கு நியாயம். அதுக்காக என் கருத்தைச் சொல்லாம இருக்க முடியுமா? கருத்து வேறுபாடு இருக்கறது தானே சிந்திக்கத் தெரிஞ்சவாளோட லட்சணம்.

நாம பிராமணன்னு சொல்லிக்கறதுக்கு ஒரே ஜஸ்டிபிகேஷன் வேத அத்தியயனம் தான். எங்க பாரதி தாத்தா பாஷையிலே சொன்னா, “வேதத்தைக் கற்றுக்கொண்டுவிடு, இல்லாவிடில் இந்த வேஷத்தைக் களைந்துவிடு”ன்னு தான் சொல்லத் தோணறது. நாம பேண்ட் போட்டுக்கறதோ, வெங்காய சாம்பார் சாப்பிடறதோ அதுக்குத் தடை இல்லே. மாட்டு மாமிசம் சாப்பிடற வெள்ளைக்காராளாலே தான் இன்னிக்கு உலகத்திலே வேதத்தோட மகிமை பரவி இருக்கு. இன்னும் நிறய சொல்லணும் ஆனா இப்பவே நீண்டு போச்சு.
விக்ரம
 

anandb

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விக்ரமா

பிசுபுட்டேள் ஒய், சிரிச்சு வயிறு வலிசுடித்து. இன்னும் நிறைய எழுதுங்கோ தமிழ்லே

ஆனந்த்
 
dear vikramaa. Nice drafting in tamil and interesting to read. But the fact remains that we do all the rituals whether in shorter version or longer version . many of us do the rituals even without knowing the significance of the same. Something is better than nothing. Let us move on, that is the trend in this fast moving world.
 

anandb

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Actually what Vikrama has said is not far from the truth. It is definitely worth pondering over what he has said. I think there is lot of meaning in the rituals and customs though we may not understand the significance of each. But I think the keyword is "interest" in pursuing it. At least for future generations, there should be a community of people engaged in Vedic chanting and performance of rituals. The good thing now is there is a growing interest among people (predominantly tambrahms) other than vadhyars to learn the veda and chant. Contrary to what some people think, following traditions and vedhabhyasam can easily co exist with other activities like eliminating poverty, women's education or abolishing dowry. I don't think people who follow Hindu religious tenets necessarily ignore other vital issues troubling the society. Both can co-exist but paying attention to the latter should not mean the former has to be ignored by saying times have changed, society is moving and so on.
 

kunjuppu

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anand,

good observation.

only one other thing that i would like to add.. is to make our public functions more inclusive of other hindu groups.

after all, we as brahmins, are a small minority of hindus. we should broaden the knowledge base of hinduism, and this is one good way is to include other groups.

thank you.
 

anandb

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You are correct, Sir. The main objective should be to propagate the knowledge base of Hinduism by peaceful, dharmic means. All brahmins, non-brahmins should unite in this common goal.
 

RVR

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Whether we like it or not religion is brought to school level. There are lot of schools promoted by hindu community. Let them start propagating Devaram, Thiruvasagam, Divya Prabandham and other Hindu Tamil Literature. After all Azhwars, Nayanmars and others realised God only through tamil. Saint Tyagaiya was able to realise Lord Rama through Telugu music compositions. Language neednot be a barrier and we should encourage all languages.

Eventually, people may interested in learning Sanskrit and can start learning Vedhas, Upanishads etc
 
Hyprocracy

It is the present system and lake of identity or confidence of brahmin community in themselves. But be sure under currents are there and if one looks around in many places individual efforts are there to impart vedas even if it is very little to our cummunity members.

Having said that one can atleast do is not to villify our community by ourselves. On the contrary one can atleast do the sandhyas and nama japas. Nama japas by individual members helps to increase ones inner strength and face adverse situations better and also help in building condifidence. But the results take time to manifest.

Rgds,
Mohan
 

RVR

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Rightly said Mr.Mohan Parasuram. Sandhyavandhanam is the daily routine which we are suppose to do. Nama Japa is the easy route to obtain inner peace.

Bagavathnama Bodhendrar (Past Acharya of Kanchi Mutt) attained `Jeeva Samadhi' at Govindapuram near Kumbakonam. He has advised `Rama Nama' as the best solution for attaining mukthi in Kaliyuga. Guru Raghavendra has also did `Rama Nama Japa' and attained `Jeeva Samadhi'

While there is interest in learning Rudram, Chamakam etc among younger generation which we should encourage, easiest method is Japam which anybody can practice
 

anandb

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Absolutely right. Actually the beauty of our religion is such that various modes of worship were prescribed for the various yugas according to the swabhavam of the people of that yuga. As per what i had read, it is deep contemplation and meditation during Satya Yuga, ritual worship during Treta Yuga, idol and temple worship during Dwapara Yuga and Nama japa during Kali Yuga. Just observe the wisdom in this method of prescription. A 1000 years of meditation in the Satya Yuga (people lived extraordinarily long lives) could probably bring the same benefits as a lifetime of nama japa in Kali Yuga taking into account the lack of time and the reduced bhakti mentality in the present age. I also read a very interesting analysis equating this to the law of supply and demand. In the Satya Yuga, almost every human being was good and noble so in order to get god's attention you had to do better than others in terms of meditation or contemplation. Compare this to Kali Yuga, where man can easily get the attention of god because of a general lack of divinity and godliness in human beings. There are less conditions attached to attain god's grace, no kadum thavam or elaborate rituals, just plain uttering of god's name always which one can do even if you are travelling in a bus. What an all encompassing religion is ours.
 
Are we hpocrites

To Anandb sir To day in this meterial world only the gods name will help to getrid from birthand death cycle.Yes, but what is Gods name it Varnothimic,I am concern that only a Donathimic name will help. In every Soul the ANAGATHA NAATHAM ring all the 24hrs,If we just spent 2 !/2 hrs for meditation and lisition to the sound current you will enlightent. For the reson in this Kali yuga one Nama Margam is the Best,but the questine is which Name. We must abtaine a Initation from the Guru and he will tell about Donathimic Name and how use in meditation. s.r.k.:laser:
 

RVR

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I feel people have to follow their Guru`s advice. In the absence of Guru, they can recite the name of their Ishta Deivam. It is the depth of devotion which more important than the mantra or nama.

Carnatic music trio followed invoked different Gods. Tyagaiya invoked Lord Rama. Syama sastri invoked Goddess Kamakshi. Muthusamy Dikshidar invoked different Gods. All the three are great saints and we respect all the three.

Great Adhi Sankara united all the six forms of worship. I think we can follow his foot steps and invoke the God of our choice through `Nama Japa'
 

RVR

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I feel people have to follow their Guru`s advice. In the absence of Guru, they can recite the name of their Ishta Deivam. It is the depth of devotion which is more important than the mantra or nama.

Carnatic music trio followed invoked different Gods. Tyagaiya invoked Lord Rama. Syama sastri invoked Goddess Kamakshi. Muthusamy Dikshidar invoked multiple Gods. All the three are great saints and we respect all the three.

Great Adhi Sankara united all the six forms of worship. I think we can follow his foot steps and invoke the God of our choice through `Nama Japa'
 
to: R.V. Sir worship is also NamaJapa but which type of Nama? VarnathmicNama is not going to help much, but a Donathmic Nama is the only way,So we must serch the Gura and get Inititated and do Nama Japa is good. S.R.K.
 
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vikrama
வருஷம் 1991. ஜனவரி மாசம்னு ஞாபகம். அப்பொ சென்னையிலே படிச்சிண்டிருந்த என் பொண்ணைப் பாக்கறதுக்காக நான் வந்திருக்கேன். அப்போ ஒரு பிரபலமான சங்கீத வித்வான் காலமாகி பதினஞ்சாம் நாள் அவாத்துலேயே ஒரு நினைவு அஞ்சலிக் கூட்டம் நடந்தது. ஏற்பாடு பண்ணினவர், அவரோட பிரதம சிஷ்யர், இன்னிக்கி பிரபல வித்வான். என் பொண்ணும் அவரோட சிஷ்யைங்கறதுனாலே, அவளோட நானும் அந்தக் கூட்டத்துக்குப் போயிருந்தேன். போனவரைப் பத்தி எல்லாரும் கண்ணீரும் கம்பலையுமா சிலாகிச்சுப் பேசினா. ஆனா சுக்லாம்பரதரத்திலேர்ந்து காயேன வாசா வரைக்கும் எல்லாம் இங்கிலீஷ்லே தான். சென்னைப்பட்டணம் இருக்கறது இந்தியாவிலேயா இங்கிலாந்திலேயான்னு எனக்கு சந்தேகம் வந்துடுத்து. வந்திருந்தவா மூஞ்சியை எல்லாம் பாத்தேன். எல்லாம் நம்ம வெங்கிட்டு கிச்சாமிகள் தான். அவாளோட குரு அல்பாயுசுலே போயிட்டதிலே அவாளுக்கு உண்மையான வருத்தம் என்கிறதிலே எனக்கு சந்தேகமில்லே.

பதினெட்டு பாஷையிலே பண்டிதன்னாலும் கஷ்டம்னு வந்தா இங்கிலீஷ்காரன் ஓ காட் னு தான் கத்துவான். மலையாளி எண்ட குருவாயூரப்பான்னு தான் விளிப்பான். தெலுங்கன் தேவுடான்னு தான் கதறுவான். தமிழன் ஐயோன்னு தான் அலறுவான்னு, மனசைப் பத்தி எதோ படிப்பு இருக்காமே அதைப் படிச்சவா எல்லாம் சொல்றா.

இன்னிக்கி நம்ம சபாக்கள்லே, எல்லா அறிவிப்பும் இங்கிலீஷ்லே தான். கேட்கிறவா பெரும்பாலும் தமிழன்னா கூட, ஹால்லே ஒரு மூலைலே அழுக்கு ஜீன்ஸும் கொரங்கு ஜிப்பாவும் போட்டுண்டு ஒரு வெள்ளைக்காரன் உக்காந்திருக்கானே அந்த பரம ரசிகனுக்காக நம்ம தாய் பாஷையை ஒதுக்கி வைக்கலாம், தப்பு இல்லே. நம்மாத்துக்கு ஆபீஸ் சினேகிதா வந்தா கூடத்திலே மணி உருட்டிண்டு உக்காந்திருக்கற அம்மாவை, “நீ சித்த உள்ளே போய் இரு”ன்னு அனுப்பறதில்லையா, அது போலத் தான் இதுவும்.

வருஷம் 2006. அஹோபில மடம் பள்ளிக்கூடத்திலே ஒரு நிகழ்ச்சி நடந்தது. ஏற்பாடு பண்ணின மாம்பலம் ஸம்ஸ்கிருத வித்யாலயாவோட மாஸ்டர் ஸ்ரீமான் தேவநாதன், “தாம்பரம் டி.கே.ஹரி என்கிறவர் இந்திய கலாசாரம் சம்பந்தமா அபூர்வமான சி.டிக்கள் தயார் செய்து போட்டுக் காமிக்கப் போறார், தெரிஞ்சவாளுக்கெல்லாம் சொல்லி அழைச்சுண்டு வாங்கோ”ன்னு சொன்னார். நான் சில பேரோட போயிருந்தேன். வேத மந்திரங்களுக்கெல்லாம் விளக்கம் குடுத்து அது எப்படி இன்னிக்கி ஸ்டீபன் ஹாகிங்கோட கண்டுபிடிப்போட ஒத்துப் போறதுன்னு பவர் பாய்ண்டலே போட்டு விளக்கினார். ஆழமான ஆராய்ச்சி, கடுமையான உழைப்பு, அத்புதமான படைப்பு. ரொம்பவே மனசுக்கு நிறைவா இருந்தது.

ஆனா எல்லா விளக்கமும் இங்கிலீஷ்லே தான். என்னோட வந்தவாள்லே ஒரு மாமி. அஞ்சாம் கிளாஸ் தான் படிச்சிருக்கா. தன்னோட இனிஷியலை மட்டும் எழுதக் கத்துண்டிருக்கா. ஆனா ஸம்ஸ்கிருதத்திலே மகா மன்னி. இந்த விஷயங்கள்லே ரொம்ப ஈடுபாடு உள்ளவா. அந்த மாமி மூஞ்சியைப் பாத்தேன். பே... ன்னு உக்காந்திண்டிருந்தா. அப்புறம் எல்லார் மூஞ்சியையும் பாக்கணும்னு தோணித்து. பாத்தா இந்த மாமி மாதிரி இன்னும் பத்து பேர் பிரும்மமேன்னு உக்காந்திருந்தது தெரிஞ்சுது.
மறுநாளே அந்த ஹரிக்குக் கடிதாசி எழுதினேன். “நிகழ்ச்சியை ஆரம்பிக்கறதுக்கு முன்னோடி விளக்கம் தமிழ்லே வேணுமா இங்கிலீஷ்லே வேணுமான்னு நீங்க கேட்டது உண்மை தான். ஆனா இங்கிலீஷ் தெரியாதவா அதை சொல்லிக்க வெக்கப்பட்டுண்டு பேசாம இருந்துட்டா. எல்லாரும் தமிழ் தெரிஞ்சவாளா இருக்கும்போது தமிழிலேயே பேசி இருக்கலாமே”ன்னேன். அவர் பாவம் நல்ல மனுஷன். “ஆமா, நீங்க சொல்றது நியாயம் தான். இனிமே அந்த மாதிரி செய்யறேன்”னு பதில் எழுதினார்.

என்னைப் போல இங்கிலீஷ் தெரியாத அசடுகள் கம்ப்யூட்டர் மட்டும் கத்துண்டு இந்த வலைத் தளத்துக்கு வெளியிலே இந்த வலை அக்கிரகாரத்திலே நாம நுழையலாமோ கூடாதோன்னு தயங்கிண்டு நந்தனார் மாதிரி ஒதுங்கி நிக்கறாளே அவாளுக்காக கொரல் குடுத்தேன். யாரும் கோச்சுக்கப்படாது.

இயன்ற வரை தமிழிலேயே பேசுவேன்னு சங்கல்பம் பண்ணிண்ட எங்க பாரதி தாத்தா இந்த கறுப்பு சேப்புக்காரா மாதிரி இங்கிலீஷ் தெரியாததாலே தமிழைக் கொண்டாடல்லை. அவரோட இங்கிலீஷ் கட்டுரை நடை எல்லாம் நம்ம குஞ்சுப்பு அண்ணாவை விடவும் ரொம்ப ஒசத்தியா இருக்கு.

ஒரு சமூகத்தை அழிக்க விரும்பினா, அவாளோட மொழியை முதல்லே ஒழின்னு யாரோ வெள்ளைக்காரன் சொன்னதாக அண்ணாதுரை ஒரு சமயம் எழுதி இருந்தது இந்த சமயத்திலே ஞாபகம் வந்து தொலைக்கிறது.
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kunjuppu

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vikrama,

good post.

re cna's comments about language and society, in this day and age, i will take it with a grain of salt.

i think we are in an age, where the more languages we know, it is better. i agree, that first and foremost must be our mother tongue.

i have lived in canada for over 37 years. to date, i know only bengalis, among all the desis here, speak to their children in bengali. most of them anyway.

most of the people i know in india and elsewhere speak english, as their day to day medium, with local words thrown in liberally. france is the only country i know, which has tried to stamp out
english usage. i am not sure if they have succeeded.

in the west, the sri lankan tamils are faithful users of tamil. none of the tamil groups from india, regardless of caste or religion, whom i know, adhere to tamil with such fond embrace. maybe it is their tragic history that binds the sri lankan tamils to their culture and religion. i do not know.

i enjoy your postings in tamil, though it takes me a little longer to read and understand. forgive me for that.

also forgive me if i am unable to reply in tamil. my fault.

thank you.

ps.. you are way off the mark even to mention bharathiar and myself in the same sentence. i am a speck of sand, he is himalayas. :)
 

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Dear SRK ji,

I am not fit to give `upadesam' to any body. I just suggested nama japa since Bodhendrar has advised nama japa for the kaliyuga. More than that I am not in a position to say anything.

Prahlada had full faith in Lord Mahavishnu and the Lord also reciprocated. In one of the upanyasams of Late Mukkur Lakshminarasimhachariar, he told us if we have full faith in Lord, he will definitely appear `now and here'.

Abhirami Battar had full faith in Goddess Abhirami. He was not at all associated with the world and didn't even bothered who has come and what is the thithi. Goddess Abhirami made the day look like `Pournami' where as it was a `Amavasya' day.

I personally feel depth of devotion and confidence in God which matters most than the slokas and mantras. It does not mean mantras and slokas are useless. It is personal preference of each individual.
 
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vikrama
Dear Sri Kunjuppu,
What ails me? Why do I whine? You might have got a glimpse of my mind from my Tamil postings written in a lighter vein (more such are to follow). Since you are not comfortable with written Tamil, I am posting this.

I am a Brahmin and I am not ashamed nor am proud to be so. Whether I like it or not this identity is branded on me by the society. We, the TBs are a subsect of the Tamil Society and the burden of leading the greater society still rests on us, in spite of the virulent attack on us by the DK for more than seven decades.

When I go to a Buhari Hotel or a Tasmac shop, the society identifies me by my caste, which is not the case with the people of other castes. The usual comment is, “See the over-drunk Iyer lying flat by the gutter.” It is never, “See the over-drunk Chettiar or Nadar”.

Does it not show that the society expects us to set a high moral standard for others to follow?

In a programme in TV, a celebrity was narrating his recent marriage. He was very particular in having an Iyer solemnize his marriage, whereas his in-laws, staunch DKs, were bent on avoiding Iyers. At last the groom prevailed over them.

This shows that there is still some respect for the Iyers in the minds of others.

Unlike in the west, we have a group identity and whatever we do in our personal capacity, affects the image of the society as well.

Now the question is whether we, as a society, behave in such a way as to deserve the respect or we are losing it gradually.

This is just a social introspection (and certainly not intended to hurt or besmirch anybody) on why we are alienated, marginalized and mocked at continuously. What are our defects? Should we rectify them or shall we allow things to drift and settle for themselves? Our non-responsiveness to the fun made on us in the films indicates we have chosen the second option. Do we cover it up with “God will take care”?

In the bygone ages, Bs were not known for their opulence but for their wisdom and selfless service. In all the mythological stories God is portrayed as appearing in the form of a B and never as a king or Vysya or Sudra. Now that we are relatively better off than others in terms of money, have we not lost the great respect that once we enjoyed?

We may comfort ourselves saying that breaking down of caste barriers is the inevitable finality of societies all over the world and we are evolving towards it. We should accept whatever happens to us.

I do not agree. Future historians will write, “The TB community, in spite of its hoary past and excellent powers of head and heart, failed to see the writing on the wall and brought upon itself, its doom, by doing nothing while on the decline.”

I am not a casteist. I will not go for inter-caste marriage for its own sake. But I will accept it if it is the result of sincere love and I will take care to convert the new-comer into our culture. There are precedents for such conversion.

I do not want to do all the talking myself. Let us have a healthy debate. Let us not shut our eyes to reality. Let us not hasten to stage a revolution overnight.
Vikrama
 
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