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THEETU =UNCLEAN (IMPURITY) Unclean is of two kinds. One unclean state is when a child is born to our relatives. This is called VRIDHI in sanskrit.

The second is when some one dies the''unclean'' state which develop on the relatives. This is called 'KSHAYAM' in sanskrit. . Generally for both it is called aasowcham in sanskrit.

Vridhi means increase and kshayam means decrease. When consulting a priest in case of child birth one should ask ' How many days vridhi is devolved on me and my family and not asowcham is devolved on us.

Our beliefs on the 'unclean' and 'clean 'states are based on the functioning of various microcopic organisms not visible to our eyes. This is akin to the aroma of as flower spreading to the surroundings , even though one cannot see the 'aroma' thru eyes.

Likewise all living beings transmit their aura to their surroundings and this is also confirmed by Ayurveda system of treatment. The 'unclean' state devolving on one person also get spread to others due to body contact, breath,eating together and sleeping together. and similar reasons.

one should not consider these things as superstitions. One should not also seek for scintific proof for all these assertions , but follow with reverance and enjoy the benefits bestowed on us by divine Beings. One must also remember that our "maharishis' are realised beings, who have transcended the physical, will only say what is beneficial to human beings.

Our sastras indicate that the observance of theetu for the deceased will satisfy the deceased's jeevan and will enable it to get a good status in the astral plane.
 
FOR THEETU OF A DECEASED PERSON.

For son= death of parents 10 days unclean. and also on 11th 12 th day during function time only theetu.

10 days daayaadhi= sapindargal. 10days daayaadhi 's death= ten days unclean. From the day you hear the news upto 10th day.

For one person 10 days pangaali= daayaadhi 's male child expires after 6 years 10 days unclean whether poonal is over or not.

For the daughter's son for the death of mother's father or mother 3 days unclean.

For the death of mother's brother or maamaa 3 days unclean .

For son-in-law Father -in law or mother-in law death 3 days unclean.

For the son of a woman elder or younger =for the death of chithi or periamma 3 days unclean.

marumaanukku athai death 3 days unclean.

for the brother death of a sister after her marriage 3 days unclean.

For the father death of daughter after her marriage 3 days unclean.

maamaavukku maruman death of a sister's son after upanayanam 3 days unclean.

For grand father death of daughter's son after upanayanam 3 days unclean.

for one person 3 days pangaali death 3 days unclean.

For the son who ahd been adopted by a third person 3 days unclean for his own father or mother.

For one person ten days pangaali's sondeath from 3 to 6 years of age 3 days unclean.

Amman seykku (maamaa 's son) athai's son or daughter (athan, athangal) death one and half days unclean.

Athai's son (athanukku) maamaa son or daughter death ( Amman sei, ammangar) one and half days unclean.

maamaavirku death of maruman or marumal after 3 years of age one and a half days unclean.

For a person death of mother's sister's daughter or son after marriage one and a half days unclean.

For a person death of mother,s sister's husband (elder or younger) one and a half days unclean.

for a grand father death of daughter's daughter or son( death after 3 years of age) or son's daughter one and half days unclean.

Father's second wife 's maamaa, chithi, periamma, sister's son or daughter, etc one day unclean.

for the death brother-in-law one day unclean (machinan) machini death only snaanam.

For a person within 3 generation ,s pangaali 's daughter's death below six years of age one day unclean.

For a widower death of MIL or FIL (without children) one day unclean.

For a person death of a 10 days pangaali's son age between 6months to 6 years of age one day unclean.

For the father in law death of son in law only snaanam.

For the machinan death of elder or younger sister's husband snaanam only.

For marumaan death of athai's husband snaanam only. machini death only snaanam.

For a person death of co-brother (shuddagar) wife of athan (aththan madhani), maamaa son's wife, chithi's daughter- in law etc snaanam only.

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Upto 7 generations 10 days unclean is there. EXAMPLE: sri raman(1) 7 generations. SRI RAMAN's Father :subramanian; father's father krishnan: father's grand father srinivasan; father of grand father narayanan; grand father of grand father kesavan; father's grand father's grand father madhavan.

After 7th generation 3 days unclean; For all birth and death in this 7 generations example sriraman is having 10 days unclean. 3 days unclean for gents; Death of mother's father,mother's mother; for mother's brother; mother's brother wife(mama,mami) for son -in-law mother-in-law and father-in-law;

For the death of mother's sister ; father's sister; sister's son; For daughter's son ;for three days pangaaligal (daayaadhi) males after upanayanam; daughters after marriage ;sister; brother; adopted boy's parents; parents of the boy who had given their son for adoption to somebody; from 25 th month to 72 month of age for ten days daayaadhi sons the ten days dhayaadhis 3 days unclean; from 7th year before marriage ten days dayadhi's daughter for ten days dayadhi group only 3 days unclean;

one and half days unclean for gents: Father's sister's son /daughter;Mother's sister's son/daughter; sister's daughter; For thge death of sister's married daughter chithappa and periappa is having 1 1/2 days unclean; for the death of chithappaor periapppa daughter chithappavin son 1 1/2 days theetu;for daughter's daughter death for grand father 1 1/2 days theetu;

for the death of daughter's son for grand father 1 1/2 days theetu; for the death of nephew after 3 years of age

(sister's son) maamaa is having 1 1/2 days theetu

one and half days=36 hours. two nights one day time or 2 day time and one night time If you hear the news after meals in day time take starving upto night and take a bath theetu will go.

ONE DAY UNCLEAN FOR GENTS; Forf the first mother's son theetu for one day to the death of his fasther's second wife's brother, sister,daughter; this chithi's chithappa and periappa's daughter; sister's daughter', parents of this chithi; athai; athai's son and daughter;

for the group of ten days pangaaligal to the death of un married daughter/son of their pangali group from the age of 25 th month to 72 months.

one day theetu

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FOR LADIES THREE DAYS UNCLEAN;
for the death of her brother after upanayanam 3 days theetu. brother's son after upanayanam; sister's son; step mother;After marriage the bride is joining her husband's gothram she has to have her husband's pangaali theetu. only closely blood related relatives of her parents theetu are there. no theetu for her husband.

for ladies only 1 1/2 days theetu= father's brother; mother's sister; mother's brother; father's sister; daughter's son's of father's brother; mother's sister; mother's brother's daughter; father's sister's daughter; father's father/mother;mother's mother; sister; sister's daughter; brother's daughter.

For ladies only one day theetu: step mother's father; mother ;.
brother, sister, son, daughter; and their daughters/sons after their marriage

for ladies only snaanam;
For mother's brother's wife death; father's sister's husband; sister's husband 's death only snaanam.
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Process of erecting a stone on the ground: According to Garuda puranam the jeevan does not go to paralokha immediately after death. Till another body is made for the jeevan (10 days) the jeevan stays in this country close to the place of death. Physical body has been cremated this jeevan enter in it.

For making the jeevan stay and remain restful a karma called 'nithya vidhi ' is done daily for ten days. one or three stone (like baby jelly -karungal 1/2 inch in size approximately) along with bllack ellu, dharbai, and sombu (must go to river side on those olden days ) Now a days if there is individual house you may havenear the coconut tree or near compound wall gate.

If no space is there in the flat (own house) you may have it in the sit out or now a days places are available .You can go there daily for doing this for ten days or you can do all on the tenth day. which is not preferrable. Add 2 basket of sand in the sit out or in under the coconut tree you may dig a hole to put this karungal.

Anuggai= permission to get yogyadhai to karungal stapanam=bashana sthaapanam. sankalpam.then Thithi vaara, star, yoga, dosha parihaarartham charity should be given. Then facing south and kall mutty pottu kondu put this 3 smaal karunga tied with dharbhai ( now it is called bhaashaanan sthaapanam ) and chant manthras requsting the preathem to have aavaahanam in this bhaashaanam

Eyes should be closed while placing the bhaashaanam in the digged hole or on sand digged hole. and cover it mud or sand. Then open your eyes . from ypongers to elders order each sons, daayaadhigal water charity should be given to that aavvaahana praetham on the mud.

Garuda puranam is available now a days in all languages .get it from giri traders or from any bookstall whoa re selling this book, This book must be read from the first day till tenth day by each and everyone in that house.
 
Take one darbai and a piece of new cloth 6 inches in width and 12 inches in length and fold this in three folds. have a bucket full of water. each person must have one sombu and water should be poured to this sombu by sastrigals or person with no theetu. Left leg mutty potu sit down and by chanting manthras dip the darbai and the piece of cloth and pour it to the bhashana kundam. Then pour three times water with ellu three times, and increase *ellu water) by one time more daily.

Then come to the house kundam in the sit out pour some sand and make a hole put 3 small karungal tied with darbai chant manthras and with closed eyes put this bhashanam in the hole and cover it with sand andhere only yhe kartha must pour water from sombu with one darbhai and with the new piece of cloth which you have used in another bhaashana gundam;

For this house bhashana gundam also you must get permission for aavaahanam here and hiranya dhaanam, Then pinda bali here,
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Nithyavidhi karma has to be started soon after cremation and the stone is placed /held on the ground earth the same day.consequent to this jeevan stays on that place ,eats the food every day, conveys its blessings.

Those who are unable to do so on the day of cremation, the sastras allows one to start the ceremony on odd numbers day; 3rd;5th;7th;9th.and perform all the karmas together with those, due from the first day.

Nithya vidhi has to be done on the banks of a pond or rivercanal well within the limits of that village and/or near the house entrance. This is called thadaaga theera kundam.

In a similar fashion at the sitout or entrance of the kartha's house a tent is erected and the kartha burries 3 small karungal stones. This is called Grahadwarakundam.

This process of performing tharpans and pinda dhaanam at both the places is called Nithyavidhi. According to sastras , the Jeevan's heat due to cremation , hunger and thirst are lessoned.

Duties of sons: perform the karma with absolute commitmrnt and sincereity; fasting when required and uttering the manthras with reverence.The kartha while performing the karma should recall the good deeds of the deceased , control anger against others and sacrificing your personal work; The eldest son must perform the karmas and the younger sons do benefit fully just being there with the eldest son.

Due to circumstances if the eldest son cannot arrive there in time , the next younger son can do the karma.

DUTIES OF THE DAUGHTER. :Daughters of the deceased should take part in the nithya vidhi by remaining pious and clean. They should prepare the havis (cooked rice) and make it into a ball shape-pindam to be offered daily in thr graha kundam.

Remaining clean means the daughter should bath and with wet clothes drapped around them they should cook the havis. Gas stove should be avoided for preparing this havis. should not use eversilver utensils. use charcoal or fire wood use brass sombu; brass karandy. brass plate to cover this.

Havis preparation should be done near the house kundam tent. Then after the pindam offering is over the aduppu/or kumutty and brass pot,brass karandy and brass plate should be cleaned and kept near the tent. the same pot should be used for ten days.

SMIRITIS says that the jeevan accepts with pleasure only the havis prepared by daughter.. If the deceased have no daughters then the son, daughter -in-law , paternal lineage chithappa or periappa daughter can do this havis.

Daughters will prepare idly dosa and with chutney it will be distributed to the neighbours and relatives on the 7th day. on 13n th day and on tenth day daughters used to prepare aval pori urudai and sweets and it will be distributed to all.

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Our human human has been created out by five elements water, fire,air, earth and aakaasam.in different proportions. To experiance hapiness /grief we reqiure body. by through sense organs perceive this happinee or sorrow. When person dies the body gets cremated.but the jeevan which was in the body which is called Soul or Athman or Jeevan has to go to swarga or naraka depending upon good and bad deede performed through the body.

To traverse the jeevan to paralokha requires a body and now a new body is created and through this body the jeevan has to sent to paraloka. Our sastras and maharishis thru their meditative power have elobarated methods on how to create a new body structure for the jeevan to use after its death.

The symbolic body structure is created thru manthras , offering of pindas , vasodhakam and thilothakam done as part of daily samskarams.Gothra of the deceased person must be mentioned. The pinda or rice ball made by the daughter is offered as vehicle to form the virtual body,

Rushyasringa maharishi says on the 10 th day the jeevan gets urge for food and happiness.Some scientists explain Jeevan (energy) is formed with five elements combined in the body. This compared to the bright red colour that is obtained whenbetel;nuts and calcium are chewed in the mouth In similar fashion jeevan energises the five elements to form a body and makes that body to function.

prepare the havis for pindam and add some ghee keep it in northen side . then once agin some ghee now.In the graha kundam place in the southwest place clean the place with cow dung and by having left leg mutty pottu kondu place some dhabhai on the floor facing south and pour some ellu and water with manthras take egg size or bigger than that add ellu and water on the pindam and offer it to the pretha sareeram

Again pour some water and ellu over the pinda for morning and one for evening.Then wash the brass vessal ( used to make havis) with water and pour some ellu and keep the pindas in the brass vessal and go to a river or pond stand facing south throw away the pindam in the river by your backside and have snaanam and come back to house.

On all the 10 days throw the pindas in water in the same place. Keep some old dhoty/saree which were used by the dead person above the tent. Keep one tender coconut daily near the graha kundam; keep water in the graha kundam in a brass vessel; decorate the trnt with coconut flowers and coconut tree leaves pachai keethu.
Buy one mud pot make a hole at the bottom put water on it and place it in the graha kundam in the maner by which drops of water be poured on the graha kundam. on all the ten days. pour water in the mud pot daily in the morning and evening.
THere are songs which in olden days some seventy years ago some old women paid for this to cry in the grahakundam in the evening after lighting a lamp they used to cry by telling some songs.

one lamp in the graha kundam must be there along with oil and thiri for ten days. lamp must burn all the 24 hours on all these ten days. hurricane lamp or brd room lamp must be there,
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TENTH DAY: Pangalis= gyathikal may have shaving or whole body shaving and must do with wet clothe and only one cloth and with one dharbhai pavithram 30 vaasodhagam and 75 thilothgam in facing south in the nadhi dheera kundam. If the 10th day falls on friday they can have their shaving on thursday itself. for kartha he must have shaving only on 10th day.

Even 10 days is over they have to do tharpanam and shaving.(pangaalikal) Then kartha should take bath for 3 times and do 3 vasodhakam and 12 thilothagam in the river kundam and in the graha kundam vasodhagam and thilothagam ekothra vridhi sratham and charity praboothabali should be done.

permission for doing prabootha bali and charity for thithi vaara star yoga dosha nivrithiyartham . near graha kundam odd number kolam. spread 2 yards dhoti nuni facing south and spread dharbhai nuni facing south.pour ellu and water on the dhoti and spread saltless savouries and cooked rice .Now pour ellu and water over it .

POur some water with ellu on the vessel pre paed for cooked rice and do parishechanam anti clock wise place the vessal in the south upside down and do prokshanam and place the vessal in normal position and do namaskaram facing south. all family members of that family will put cooked rice in the prabootha bali.

then grahadwaara kundam uthaapanam with dosha parihaaraarrtham charity.
 
grahadwara kundam place should be cleaned. remove everyting from there. remove the three karungal stones from there by closing your eyes and open your eyes put the the 3 karungal pieces in a vasthram , wash your hands, upaveethi, pavithram in the ear and do prarthana after having that shakthi sand fro graha kundam and pray asmath kulam abhivarthantham and dig a hole put all things there.praachinaaveethi take the pindam

go there in the river kundam sangalpam bhashana uthapanam karishyae. hiranya dhaanam for thithi vaara yoga star dosham. AS donbe previously close your eyes remove the bhaashaanam and open your eyes place them in a vasthram wash your hands. upaveetham; have the pavithram in your ears prayer and with dhaanyam put them in the digged place and cover them with mud. spray ellu in the river kundam dheeram and graha kundam place.

throw the pindam in the river as usual and tear the cloth which was used for thilothagam and vasodhagam throw it away do snaanam Then shanthi homam. reqiurements for shanthi homam: dharbhai; ghee; dhanyam, rice; samithu; brass vessal for homam, homa karandi=maavilanga eleagal; agni; water in a brass xombu, mango leaves kothu, nochi kothu; nochi maalai; use dharbhai if nochi is not available

bricks. neivedhyam and thaamboolam; banana fruits for neivedhyam,upaveethi permission to do shanthi homam; hiranya dhaanam for thithi vaara dosham, put water in a kinnam in the east; place paristharanam with dharbhai; kartha should sit in the west side to agni; for this no pathra sadanam, prokshani samskaram, aajya samskaram,dharvee samskaram.

using maavilanga leaves as homa karandi do homam place one sambadha paathram in the north side. after each aahoodhi ghee from maavilanga leaf should be dropped in the sambhadha pathram.after homam is over place the maavilanga leaves in that agni. do parisheachanam. in the north red ox facing east before starting homam sthaapanam must be done.

ladies and gents must touch this ox. .by chanting manthras all ladies and gents must go in eastern direction along with ox.kartha must go in the last by chanting manthras should remove the leg prints of all by his leg.

then kartha should place a brick in the south side with manthras. then sumangali ladies must pour water on the ground during this time kartha only must chant manthras. Then using that water ladies must wash their faces if no ladies kartha should wash his face with that water. this not for pangaalis.then all must adorn with eyetex on their eyes.by chanting manthras.then kartha must place a branch of a tree in the digged hole by chanting manthras.

Then permission to do aanandha homam with charity for thithi, vaara, star yoga dosham. no pathrasaadhanam.mavilanga leaves.; paristharanam; pariseshanam; homam; place the maavilanga leaves on the agni; then kartha must cook food and the kartha and all the gyaathis must eat it.

Instead of this kartha will place paddy in the agni and all pangaaligal and kartha must take this nel pori. Then punyaha vachanam should be done and pour that water all over the house. 11th day to be continued
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IN the evening pori and appam charity to all. sarama slogam ; sastrigal will deliver a lecture of the deceased in praising manner.
 
on the tenth day all the karthas and pangaalis must wear dharbhai mala for some time and the sastrigal used to say to remove it.
On the eleventh day the house will adorned with cow's dung on those days. In the second part of the day time do punyahavachanam,prokshanam. do nava sratham; Then do vrashabothsarjanam : permission. sangalpam;

If you are not ableto do vrashabothsarjanam on 11th day you may do on 12th; 23rd or before 27th day oona masyam. or you can give rice and money for eleven sastrigals on 11th day.

charity for thithi vaara yoga star dosha nivrithyartham. you must do homam in the cattle yard, brahma aavaahanam;in north to agni place a water pot over rice and place rudhra prathimai and do rudhra aavaahanam.do in normal proceedure havis homam with manthras.swastakrith; jayathi, praayaschitha homam,anaagyathi homam; upasthaanam; then bring the bull do pooja for the bull and chant rudhram 11 times or atleast one time.

chant laaja manthram while the bull have three times pradhakshinam in the homagni . water with ellu must be given to the bull for drinking by chanting rucham brahmi anuvaaham; apply lingam or sangu kolam on the leg of the bull with turmeric powder. or you can draw any weapon of the god which you like most.

Chant the manthras on the right ear of the bull.then chant manthras in the left ear. then allow the bull to go to the cattle yard. chant manthras.prarthana to bull and allow it to go anywhere as it likes.then bali to rudhran. then dasa and pancha dhaanam.

This is a holy karma performed for seeking the blessings of sri rudhra or parameshwara.vrishabam means bull or bull calf. uthsarjanam means leaving something out. A bull coloured blue,red,or black along with calf or calf alone is subjected to a pooja and left out for roaming independently. After the karma it is the custom to donate the bull or calf to a temple nearby.

Dharma sastras says that by performing the karma of vrishaba uthsarjanam the deceased will get relief from the sins on account of actions in their life like gohathi and brahmahathi. In addition theyn will get a better and higher status in the celestal world.

vrishaba uthsarjanam is of two kinds. 'neimithikam' and 'kamyam' . neimithikam is done on the 11th day. This is done between 8-24 am to 10-48 am in sanghra kala. this 11th day is based on cremation day as the first day. and not by treating the day of death.

Kamya vrishaba uthsarjanam is done during one's own life time for seeking the blessings of parameshwara and to get swarga loka for himself. This is done on kaarthigai full moon day; or aipasi or vaikasi full moon day. during midday between 10-48 to 1-12 pm after having finished naandhi sratham in the morning on that day.

Dharmasastras say that this kamya vrishaba uthsarjanam will get one the blessings of devas, maharishis and fore fathers. A bull calf with a red body, white on the face,tail,leg,heels,and horns is called a blue calf. It should be one or two years old. By doing aavaahanam of sri rudhran on this bull conducting a pooja on it, and allow it to wander freely is called kamya vrishba uthsarjanam.
 
on the eleventh day after vrishaba uthsarjanam first month massikam should be done. this is also called aadhya masikam. Masikams are the karmas done every month for one full year on the ''thithi'' of the day of death. when this fiest masikam is performed, as the deceased has still not reached the stage of pithruthwam he is still considered as a prethasswaroopi.

As the person (brahmin) who takes part and eats food in this masyam will get more dosham to a large extent and it is difficult to find a person for this. As per vedha vaakyam all devas and pithrus remain a part 'agni' the agni bagavan himself is treated as a brahmin for eating the food, of the aadhya masikam. 32 handfull of rice should be put on homam for this purpose, The sastras indicate that one should take only 32 handfull of cooked rice per day.

Here only the dead person is called for aavaahanam without viswedevar and other pithrus this is called ekodhistam or eka homam.

Further to this aadhya masika sratha is again done on the same day with another brahmin . This is called aavrutha aadhya masikam. ( repeat first masikam). Since this is the first sratha done for the deceased with homam it should be done with devotion and sincereity.

further the food items must be prepared by the blood relatives only. rather than others. For the guest in the kartha's house food can be prepared by others and served.
 
In the ekothita sratham prepare two agnis. homa agni in north. to the right side of this pinda prathaana medai. to the right side brahmin sthanathil prathista agni.. think that this is pitha facing west. to the west of this aasanam, paadhyam, argyam,aachamanam; thilothagam etc. should be given there.

praachinavithi, first start with brahmana sthana agni and do prathistai; Imagine that agni as west faced pretha roopa pitha, give aasanam, krisaram. thamboolam. oil to take oil bath; snanam;aachamanam; anugai; aasanam; sangalpam; varanam; agni prathistai; paristharanam. north to agni havis paathra sadanam, prokshani samskaraml south argya grahanam. aavahanam; padha prakshalanam; varanam; argya saadhanam; vasthra upacharam;agni pariseshnam; ahha homam; punar parishechanam; brahmana bojanam; thruthi prasnam; thilothga dhaanam; dakshina dhanam, brahmana visarjanam, pindsa dhanam; snanam; punyaham.

Masi sratha kramam: anugai. no dhoopam/ deepam,no namaha sabdham; no swadha sabtham, sangalpam. thithi vara star yoga karana dosha nivrithi charity,brahmin sthanam to the west of agni; aavaahanam;argyam; in the north of brahmin sthaana agni sopread ellu and place dharbhai facing south. thilothaga paathram vaikkavum.

make one pavithram with one dharbhai and place it facing the nuni to south direction in the ellu water brass sombu. chant manthram while pouring water in the brass sombu, remove pavithram and drop some black till on it. argya prathanam: in the west of brahmin sthaana agni in a brass vessal add some water put the another vessal on it by using uthirini take water from argya paathram and give it to brahmin as argyam.no pariseshanam; pour ellu water on the havis.no namaskaram.

then facing south payasannam mixed with ellu and ghee using pithru theertha murai do homam for 32 times with homa manthram.after this pretha pithaha annampaaneeyam, thrupthosi, amrutha pitha namasi, hastha padha prakshalanam; achamya, pour water near agni. dakshinai; thaamboolam; brahmana visarjanam give one darbai say vaje vaje manthram.

In the south side of homa agni pinda prathanam. then dakshinai; pindam and other cooked rice used for pinda pradhanam should be thrown in the river or sea. Tenth day prabotha bali cooked rice and savary on those days it was given to the barbers. now a days barber shop wala are not taking this. so it must be thrown in the river or in the sea.

Then take a bath and do punyahavachanam.

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My parents passed away many years back .I am doing annadanam in Indian on every Aadi Ammavasya and Atma Shanti pooja in their names on the same day in Singapore.Is there any other daanam need to be done in their names?
 
Dear sir,

I would be very grateful if you could kindly list the final rites for a Non Brahmin South Indian(tamil) cos out here in Malaysia the priest does not conduct final rites for any non brahmin south indian.
Priest only comes for the 16th day ceremony.

But all North Indian priests conduct final rites for all North Indians irrespective of their caste.

So we Non Brahmin south indians have to depend on someone who is not a priest but with some knowledge of final rites and I have seen many differing practises and some which are so questionable also.

For example all Non Brahmin South Indian Funerals I have attended invariably we are asked to apply oil on the forehead of the person and upon collecting ashes of the deceased I have noted that the person in charge at the crematorium makes the ash into the shape of a man and then says some prayers then adds milk etc and puts back ash in the pot.

Recently when my grandmum passed away she is a northern indian brahmin and the priest conducted it in a simple manner.

We didnt have to put oil on her forehead but all of us were asked to put Ganga jaal into her mouth and he recited Gayatri Mantra, Om Trayambakam Yajamahe(Maha Mrtunjaya Mantra) Om namah Shivaya 5 x and one general mantra mentioning Kasi for liberation and Hare Krishna,Hare Rama and Ram Naam Sat Hai and he placed pindams on each corner of her body and then he conducted the cremation after some simple rites.

For collecting the ashes all he said is to put the ashes in the river thats all.


I feel there is so much difference from caste to caste and Non Brahmin south indians here do not really get a good deal in the final rites cos the person who conducts it is never well versed in any mantras and so much wrong pronunciation is also there even for basic mantras.

Can you please just give a simple guideline for a Non Brahmin south indian final rites?
You can also list the mantras that need to be said too cos I know Sanskrit and dont mind detail reply also.
 
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HAS THE KARMA BEEN DONE PROPERLY? HOW TO KNOW.?What is the corrective act is necessary for a karma not rightly performed?

We may experiance some bad dreams. If a big mistake had been made , it may be necessary to re do the karmas.

Some of the serious faults that one should avoid are:

Change of Kartha during the Karma period.

Change of cooking vessal used for making pinda; Changing the offering place of the Pinda; The partly immersed stones disappearing;

"Unclean" relatives participating in the Karma. In some cases it may warrant to redo the Apara karma.

If minor slips happen then,it will be helpful to have the following corrective measures.

The Kartha himself or thru eloders can get the following evets done in the house of the deceased.

The Kartha himself or thru well experinced vedic pundits can conduct Parayan (recitation) of Sri mad Ramayanam for 9 days in navaham format.

Srimad Bhaghavatham Parayan for 7 days in sapthaham format. with ghatasthaapanam and the Kartha must take bath in the ghatasthapanam water.

Conducting complete vedic recitation in the premises of the deceased within a year.

Taking bath in holy rivers like cauvery, godhavary etc; praying for the good status to the deceased with prescribed sankalpam and giving away donations.

To donate to the needy. Black till or rice mixed with til or fully grown black gram dhall. On the day of the masika day donation of food and or vasthram can be made to the poor after the masika sratham is over.

One can assist in kind and material to domestic help and the people employed by the kartha. The pithru tharpanam on amavasya day and tamil month begining of the month days can be performed under a Bilva tree.

If the above mentioned corrective measures are adopted properly pithru dosham (curse) will get removed and will result in benefits to the family
to be continued
 
Our sastras indicates one can make a guess if the jeevan is benefitted by the karmas by interpreting the dreams one gets.

The Jeevan gets a subtle body structure on the tenth day only. from the 10th day onwards till the 13 th day the kartha or the close blood relatives of the deceased may experiance dreams and thru these dreams one can identify if the karmas are being performed correcly or not.

If one experiance a bad dream or some untoward incidences happen in the home then the one can infer that there are some blemishes in the Karma process. else if one experiances a good dream then one can imagine that the jeevan is blessed and has attained a higher status ./

Some examples of dreams: Kartha's family deserts him; Being arrested and Imprisoned; Being carried away; Snatching away of food while eating;

"A person who sleeps at a particular place in the night will find himself on getting up in the morning at a different place.

One may find items like 'hair threads' in the food being eaten. such bad dreams/ untoward incidences may be experianced. These are called the mischief of the Pretha.

Further the kartha or the closed relatives may experiance hunger beyond normal levels/and also extreme thirst/. This shows deficiecy in vasodhakam, pinda offerings made.

A person performed the karmas without proper devotion and faith, he will experiance a dream where the deceased appear before him and asking him i am hungry and thirsty give me food and water.

If the Karmas have been done correcly the dreams will appear like the following: Trees carrying plenty of riped fruits; Devas or their vahanas like bull; garudan eagle; peacock and married woman; The kartha undertaking a pilgrimage.During that year the son or daughter of the deceased will get married or other holy occurances.

These are the indications for the proper performance of the karma and there by the jeevan obtained a good status i the Astral Plane.
To be continued
 
Dear sir,

I would be very grateful if you could kindly list the final rites for a Non Brahmin South Indian(tamil) cos out here in Malaysia the priest does not conduct final rites for any non brahmin south indian.
Priest only comes for the 16th day ceremony.

But all North Indian priests conduct final rites for all North Indians irrespective of their caste.

So we Non Brahmin south indians have to depend on someone who is not a priest but with some knowledge of final rites and I have seen many differing practises and some which are so questionable also.

For example all Non Brahmin South Indian Funerals I have attended invariably we are asked to apply oil on the forehead of the person and upon collecting ashes of the deceased I have noted that the person in charge at the crematorium makes the ash into the shape of a man and then says some prayers then adds milk etc and puts back ash in the pot.

Recently when my grandmum passed away she is a northern indian brahmin and the priest conducted it in a simple manner.

We didnt have to put oil on her forehead but all of us were asked to put Ganga jaal into her mouth and he recited Gayatri Mantra, Om Trayambakam Yajamahe(Maha Mrtunjaya Mantra) Om namah Shivaya 5 x and one general mantra mentioning Kasi for liberation and Hare Krishna,Hare Rama and Ram Naam Sat Hai and he placed pindams on each corner of her body and then he conducted the cremation after some simple rites.

For collecting the ashes all he said is to put the ashes in the river thats all.


I feel there is so much difference from caste to caste and Non Brahmin south indians here do not really get a good deal in the final rites cos the person who conducts it is never well versed in any mantras and so much wrong pronunciation is also there even for basic mantras.

Can you please just give a simple guideline for a Non Brahmin south indian final rites?
You can also list the mantras that need to be said too cos I know Sanskrit and dont mind detail reply also.
I can give the details only in the end of march this year.
 
Nmaskarams
please inform in detail what are the requirements of the second son when the first son is kartaand is staying in adifferent place.What he is required to observe on oonamasikam day and sodhakumbam day.
Grateful in advance
a v krishnan
 
Requirements for An thim karyams. First Say: Sastrigal; Docter certificate. preparation for death certificate; black ellu; raw rice; ghee; ganges water; Thulasi; veebhuthi. deepam, oil, thiri, matchbox, athi elai kothu, sandal wood; dhonnai; camphor; vrati; sraithool; ghada thuni white or red; bamboo; coir; karna manthram; brass sombu and deepam for dhaanam.nuni dharbhai, old clothes for grnd children ghee pandam; mud pot to take fire; firewood.


pancha pathira uthirini; samithu; brass sombu and kudam; bamboo and persons to carry the dead body . coins one,two,five rupees etc; arrangements for meals and coffee, for the 13 days,
SECOND DAY; mud kudam; mud plates and mud kinnam/agal. black ellu milk; curd; ghee; Athikothu; Black woolen coir; kandan kathri, dhonnai; vratti; sraithool; small karungal; tender coconut; raw rice for havis; raw rice and greengram dhall for nithya vidhi and for dhaanam;

pancha pathra uthirini; dharbhai; rupees; changes; monthan plantain kai; Pancha dhaanam; dhoti; brass sombu with water; bell; book; nithya vidhi utensils in brass ; stove or charcoal kumutty; karandy; brass pot and brass plate. Nithya vidhi vasthram; match box; camphor; Ghee; hony;milk; curd; nithya vidhi sombu; mud pot with small hole and arrangements to decorate house kundam;
 
From third day to 9th day: One lamp must be burn all the 24 hours on all the days for this oil; thiri; lamp match box is required. black ellu ; dharbhai; raw rice and green gram dhall, for dhaanam. and for havis; ( pindam) plantain (monthan) kai; raw rice ekothra vridhi and nava sratham. daily one tender coconut; dhakshnai; milk; ghee; honey,curd.thulasi.
TENTH DAY; Black ellu; tender coconut,milk; curd; ghee; plantain leaf; pindam; prabootha bali; rice; vadai etc;without salt; paddy; vrati; sraithool; dakshinai; pancha pathra uthirini; old dothy; plantain ( monthan kai) basket; punyaha vachana sombu; coconut; mango leaves bunch; barber/saloon; daayaadhigal vasodhakam and thilothagam ;

Eleventh day; Thulasi;black ellu; betel; paaku; fruit; coconut; plantain kai; For nava sratham; raw rice; pasi paruppu; valaikai; vibhuti; dakshinai; rudhra kumbha vasthram. kaalai kanrukuuty, for this dakshinai; fruits; punyaha vachanam; coconut; brass sombu; mango leaf bunch; thulasi; plates; plantain leaf .

TWELFTH DAY; plqantain leaves nuni 20 leaves; dharbhai koorcham 20 nos; meals for 16 sastrigals/ or raw rice, green geam dhaal; monthan plantain kai; betel; betel nut; dakshinai for this 16 sastrigals; black ellu; thulasi; paaku mattai dhonnai; sabindee karanam pindam; vaidharanee cow dhaanam (mattai coconut) dasa dhaanam;pancha dhaanam; shat dhaanam; iccha dhaanam; dwadasa dhanam; soda kumba dhaty for sastrigal;
 
THIRTEENTH DAY; DHANISHTA SHANTHI SUBHA SWEEKAARAM; Navagraha homam; Manjal; manjal thool; kumkumam; chandhanam; raw rice; flowers; fruits; coconut; plantain leaves; betel; betel nuts; mangoleaf bunch; camphor; scented sticks; BELL; VRATY; SRAI THOOL ; sand BRICKS/ HOMA KUNDAM; Ghee; samithu; match box; lamp; oil;thiri; homa havis; navagraha homa samithu; purasu samithu; nava graha vasthram; navagraha dhaanyam; paaku mattai dhonnai; and plates; visiri; pancha pathra uthirini

AAsana palagai/ thadukku; new clothes; paruppu thengaai; sweets and savory; harathy; dakshinai; On the next ( 14th day) Ladies used to take oil bath . To be continued
 

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