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wrongly quoting Bhagavad Geetha

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happyhindu

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Good message Renu.

Wrt to some posters like Nachi Naga / Bala, et al, as long as you say things that 'brahmins' want to hear, you will be welcome.

If you say things that 'brahmins' do not want to hear you will get to read all sorts of comments.

Since your stay in this forum is going to be for a long time, just letting you know that your caste, husband's caste, language, being a mixed breed, etc, can be touched upon with quite a few comments here. Am sure you being mature will not bother about it.

Am just wondering if you too will "grow up" from being the sensitive sorts to the seasoned sorts here... :)

Best Wishes and God Bless.
 

SuryaKasyapa

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Kunjuppu ji,

It is time each one of us do an introspection.







Personally I have decided not to get involved in unnecessary talks. There are quite a few members who want to do something for the society both physically and mentally. Both the swayamvarams at Chennai and Bangalore are practical examples. Atleast few marriages were settled and further deliberations are going on in few more cases. There are quite a few members in this forum who came out immediately to help in the education of a boy who lost both his parents. We were able to help atleast one member in medical treatment of his father. All these things happened in the last few months. I am fortunate to get involved in most of these services.

Personally I have seen in the recent past, few members trying to provoke me. I just ignore them and carry on my productive work. In the future also I would like to activate the services of our forum in Education and Health services. Swayamvarams are self financing nature and at the same time helps in creating goodwill for our forum among our community.

Please give your constructive suggestions for improving our services both to our community and also to the entire society.

All the best

Sri RVR, Hats Off to you, You have spoken the truth. There are lot of peddlings happening here.Let it not distract us. Let this tribe(like you and similar minded ) flourish.

You can count me as the Sri Rama's squirrel in any positive activity.


Greetings
 

Raghy

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Sri.Nachi Naga,

It was very unfortunate that I could not debate with you about the Islamic Fundus created by the Americans in the first place. I am not very impressed with your dragging Lord Krishna in to this lousy dirty politics played by the Americans. As usual they are waging a war in someone else's backyard bringing misery to the people in that region for protecting the 'freedom' of Americans living in America. If you approve that, so be it; kindly don't drag Krishna in this. I am protesting not because I am a devotee of Krishna; but I can't see anyone justifying American actions in anyway. Period.

Sow.Happy Hindu said, that, part of your message were "perfect sentences from a right wing extremist". Technically she did not call you a 'right wing extremist'. Anyway, you got offended by Sow.Happy Hindu's comments. Fair enough. Honestly I don't see anything wrong with your getting offended. But 'right wing extremist' is not a personal comment. In return, you could have chosen some choicy phrases to address Sow.HH like 'brahmin basher'; Periarist; DK minion etc. But instead you chose to address Sow.Happy Hindu's caste of birth (what ever it may be) and her personal life. Sorry Sir, you did not maintain the decorum in that conversation. In my sincere opinion, you owe an apology to Sow.Happy Hindu. (You may wish to address her with some of the choicy general phrases as I mentioned before when you address her to apologise! I don't know about others, but that would seem perfectly alright in my opinion). Thanks.

Cheers!
 

Raghy

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Sow.Sri.Happy Hindu said:-

"Some town folk in kanchi talk abt how some certain particular relatives of a junior pontiff became rich suddenly. They can go to quite some length reg monetary issues. You might find their talk 'provocative' but you cannot stop them from saying what they observe.
Wrt the relatives of one junior pontiff, no matter how 'cultured' one is, perhaps some ppl cannot help converting that into capitalism as well (leading to the question - 'what really is culture then')."

Sow.Happy Hindu, I have a huge respect for your write ups mainly due to the research you carry out and the references you could provide to back up your claims. Sow.HH, are you planning to provide references for this? If you do not have references, I am sorry, I have to request you to consider kindly editing that part of the message, please. I am suggesting this to avoid upsetting many members who have a huge respect for the Kanchi mutt. I sincerely hope you would appreciate my concerns.Thank you.

Cheers!
 

nachi naga

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Raghy,

Sri.Nachi Naga,

It was very unfortunate that I could not debate with you about the Islamic Fundus created by the Americans in the first place. I am not very impressed with your dragging Lord Krishna in to this lousy dirty politics played by the Americans. As usual they are waging a war in someone else's backyard bringing misery to the people in that region for protecting the 'freedom' of Americans living in America. If you approve that, so be it; kindly don't drag Krishna in this. I am protesting not because I am a devotee of Krishna; but I can't see anyone justifying American actions in anyway. Period.
The war waged by Islamic fundus was on the territory of USA namely New York.As for quoting Lord Krishna,the Bhagavath Gita is explicit about the instruction to Kshatria Dharma.Therefore i am well within my spiritual right to bless American's in the fight against Islamic fundus.You have your opinion,which is fair enough,i too am well within my right to support American's in their just war in Afghanistan.

Sow.Happy Hindu said, that, part of your message were "perfect sentences from a right wing extremist". Technically she did not call you a 'right wing extremist'. Anyway, you got offended by Sow.Happy Hindu's comments. Fair enough. Honestly I don't see anything wrong with your getting offended. But 'right wing extremist' is not a personal comment. In return, you could have chosen some choicy phrases to address Sow.HH like 'brahmin basher'; Periarist; DK minion etc. But instead you chose to address Sow.Happy Hindu's caste of birth (what ever it may be) and her personal life. Sorry Sir, you did not maintain the decorum in that conversation. In my sincere opinion, you owe an apology to Sow.Happy Hindu. (You may wish to address her with some of the choicy general phrases as I mentioned before when you address her to apologise! I don't know about others, but that would seem perfectly alright in my opinion). Thanks.
Thanks for your assessment,about happy and me.I think people should apologise to me,for linking me with bala and continue to do so,when i have no contact whatsoever with bala.I am sure neither kunjuppu nor happy hindu,would like me to address them as 'konjamuppu & unhappy mandu',while i start posting my messages.I am willing to let bygones be bygones and not drag this sordid spat forever.Respect for each other is a two way street.

As regards caste,look at the hypocrisy of the members- the chennai swayamvaram as well bangalore swayamvaram,are ONLY for caste 'brahmin' hindus.In real life people indulge in jathi dharma only,but write utter utopian values,which has no relevance in absolute terms of living.I cannot but chuckle at the double standards being adopted here.

Dragging Kanchi Acharyas sampradayams,is done on a regular basis by some member's,for which they ought to apologise to the acharyas,first.What they do by tarnishing the acharyas is really uncalled for and its hurtful to me personally.Even in your last post,you have requested happy hindu to edit some of the comments-so,you see,where i come from!

Are the Iyengar Acharyas any different from Smartha Acharyas? in upholding vedic sampradayam?Are the Iyengar Acharyas being dragged and ridiculed?Don't Iyengar Acharyas continue the very same practices of yore?Why simply target Kanchi Acharyas?Just because they are soft targets or what????It's really galling and when i hit a raw nerve,all hell has broken loose.Every tom dick and hari,is asking me to apologise!!!There are millions of clones like bala,but that does not mean,each and everyone is bala himself.For all you know,nacchinarkiniyan,himself using another handle,to post,as i see from my perspective,because,i am beginning to see the connection or lack of it,from erstwhile members here.I certainly am not accusing anybody here,but the alleged accusation is ' i am bala' posting under nachi naga.How ridiculous can anyone get.

Moreover,i think,this will be my last post,in this subject and i am straying away from the topic of the thread itself.So,i am going to moderate myself,despite uncalled provocation from a minority of members.Tit for Tat is ending from side,as i dont think being tatless is a good thing.

nachi naga.
 

happyhindu

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Sow.Happy Hindu said, that, part of your message were "perfect sentences from a right wing extremist". Technically she did not call you a 'right wing extremist'. Anyway, you got offended by Sow.Happy Hindu's comments. Fair enough. Honestly I don't see anything wrong with your getting offended. But 'right wing extremist' is not a personal comment. In return, you could have chosen some choicy phrases to address Sow.HH like 'brahmin basher'; Periarist; DK minion etc. But instead you chose to address Sow.Happy Hindu's caste of birth (what ever it may be) and her personal life. Sorry Sir, you did not maintain the decorum in that conversation. In my sincere opinion, you owe an apology to Sow.Happy Hindu. (You may wish to address her with some of the choicy general phrases as I mentioned before when you address her to apologise! I don't know about others, but that would seem perfectly alright in my opinion). Thanks.

Cheers!
First, am not sure why everyone is interested in asking someone like sbala to apologise to me (did i ask for it?).

Considering the violence endorsement, i pointed out the sentences with question marks to leave the possibility open abt whether or not it belongs to a right wing extremist.

Perfect sentence(s) from a right wing extremist (??)

Secondly, thanks Raghy for showing up what you really think or what you really are. So if someone mentions things abt

(a) inclusion of dalits to vedic schools, and
(b) doubts on the origin of the kanchi mutt and its endorsements for dharmashastras,

which ppl like you do not want to hear, they immediately get tagged with epithets like brahmin basher; Periarist; DK minion.

And yes, am grateful for the conversations on this forum so far - its been a good learning experience abt the Vox Pouli of the so-called brahmindom of Tamilnadu. So, the public sentiment of the masses in past was not misplaced afterall.

If there were cranks like EVR in the past, looks like such ppl got popular, not for what they themselves were, but for what they represented - something that was lapped up by the masses in the poverty rung. A point that is taken advantage of by politicians to this day.


Sow.Sri.Happy Hindu said:-

"Some town folk in kanchi talk abt how some certain particular relatives of a junior pontiff became rich suddenly. They can go to quite some length reg monetary issues. You might find their talk 'provocative' but you cannot stop them from saying what they observe.
Wrt the relatives of one junior pontiff, no matter how 'cultured' one is, perhaps some ppl cannot help converting that into capitalism as well (leading to the question - 'what really is culture then')."

Sow.Happy Hindu, I have a huge respect for your write ups mainly due to the research you carry out and the references you could provide to back up your claims. Sow.HH, are you planning to provide references for this? If you do not have references, I am sorry, I have to request you to consider kindly editing that part of the message, please. I am suggesting this to avoid upsetting many members who have a huge respect for the Kanchi mutt. I sincerely hope you would appreciate my concerns.Thank you.

Cheers!
Its not possible to record conversations and attach audio files as reference to the above. And sorry Raghy, am not editing the part out (as yet). But yes, you can find links on google abt the involvement of brothers in managing a rich institution..

Regards.
 
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silverfox

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Ladies and Gentlemen of this Forum:
Ok, the time has come for all of us to do some introspection and stop this nonsense. Please, guys, let us get back to the original topic of this thread.
I have to agree with Nachi Naga. Nobody knows if he is really sbala700; therefore, let us refrain from calling him as such.
Nachi Naga: Just because people don't drag Iyengar Acharyas that does mean that there is a conspiracy going on against Smartha Acharyas!!
In any case, let us not drag the Acharyas into this; we will be hurting the sentiments of many of our members. Why don't we all stick to the issues and debate on it? If you care to look at the name of this thread, it is "wrongly quoting the Bhagavad Geetha". Let us get back on track.
Thank you very much all for your understanding.




[quote: Nachi Naga:
Are the Iyengar Acharyas any different from Smartha Acharyas? in upholding vedic sampradayam?Are the Iyengar Acharyas being dragged and ridiculed?Don't Iyengar Acharyas continue the very same practices of yore?Why simply target Kanchi Acharyas?Just because they are soft targets or what????It's really galling and when i hit a raw nerve,all hell has broken loose.Every tom dick and hari,is asking me to apologise!!!There are millions of clones like bala,but that does not mean,each and everyone is bala himself.For all you know,nacchinarkiniyan,himself using another handle,to post,as i see from my perspective,because,i am beginning to see the connection or lack of it,from erstwhile members here.I certainly am not accusing anybody here,but the alleged accusation is ' i am bala' posting under nachi naga.How ridiculous can anyone get. >>>end-quote]
 

RVR

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Thanks Silverfox ji for your intervention.

Let us respect the sentiments of Vaishanavites, Smarthas, Madhvas, Saivatites and others.

We are here for unity of our community and not divide.

All the best
 

nachi naga

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Dear all,


Just Forgive and Forget.The Human mind is very much prone to ups and downs and sometimes we may say things which we dont ever mean and regret it later.
How many of us have not fought with loved ones and said hurtful things whether directly or indirectly only to regret or forgive later?

Just try to think that all of us are Good but with little Bad in us...Lets not the little bad ruin the Good in all of us.

Lets move on and let bygones be bygones.

lots of love to everyone
renu
RK,

One of the greatest saints alive amongst us,has given a beautiful & wonderful explanation for this verse from Bhagavath Gita,

Ananyaaschinthayantho maamYe janaah paryupaasatheTheshaam nithyaabhiyukthaanaamYogakshemam vahaamyaham

I hope a saathvikam atma like you will enjoy it.

The Gita: "Hinduism as I know it entirely satisfies my soul, fills my whole being … When doubts haunt me, when disappointments stare me in the face, and when I see not one ray of light on the horizon, I turn to the Bhagavad Gita, and find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow.
My life has been full of tragedies and if they have not left any visible and indelible effect on me, I owe it to the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita." (Young India: June 8, 1925)---->Father Of The Nation,Mahatma Gandhi.

nachi naga.
 

Nara

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.... As regards caste,look at the hypocrisy of the members- the chennai swayamvaram as well bangalore swayamvaram,are ONLY for caste 'brahmin' hindus.In real life people indulge in jathi dharma only,but write utter utopian values,which has no relevance in absolute terms of living.I cannot but chuckle at the double standards being adopted here.
Hello Nachi, I wholeheartedly agree with the above sentiment. Hypocrisy is very ugly. Does not do any good to anyone. All our traditions value consistency among mano-vaakku-kaayam.

Now, do you want people to shed their hypocrisy by opening up to other castes also, or openly become castiest? I hope it is the former.

Thank you ...
 

nachi naga

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Hello Nachi, I wholeheartedly agree with the above sentiment. Hypocrisy is very ugly. Does not do any good to anyone. All our traditions value consistency among mano-vaakku-kaayam.

Now, do you want people to shed their hypocrisy by opening up to other castes also, or openly become castiest? I hope it is the former.

Thank you ...
Nara,


Brahmin's are the most open hearted people who embrace change and are always forward looking.Regarding 'jathi' in our brahmin community,it's deeply embedded because of our mental conditioning as from which 'gothram' each one of us represent with their sub-sect 'shakas'.This is one of the most advanced scientific breeding techniques given by our fore parents,imo.Science today,argues that,genes and hereditary patterns of DNA,constitute a major part of an human'psyche'.When science and religious teachings co-mingle in this idea,it will be certainly a tall order,to shed genes aka caste in modern terminolgy to go away from our community.Assuming we do,the other caste members are NOT willing to bust caste,as it is in favor of them monetarily,politically,status wise..etc.

Again,i reiterate,that caste is only two,if one wants to differentiate amongst genders.Union or marriage takes place between these two species amongst normal human beings as natural order.Societies give color,caste,status,wealth and other such mundane tags to differentiate amongst ourselves,in my considered opinion and i am not in any hurry to shake the foundation or rock the boat .Who knows what's in future,maybe since world population is bursting,things will be homo-s only for a while(plz treat this line as joke).

nachi naga.
 

nachi naga

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Ss,

nachi...

காலத்தி னால் செய்த உதவி நன்றி சிறுதுஎனினும்
ஞாலத்தின் மாணப் பெரிது...

தினைத்துணை நன்றி செயினும் பனைத்துணையாக்
கொள்வார் பயன்தெரி வார்

சிறுமையுள் நீங்கிய இன்சொல் மறுமையு்ம
இம்மையும் இன்பம் ஆகும்
அய்யா நான் கற்றாது கை மண் அளவு .

யாதும் ஊரே ; யாவரும் கேளிர் ;

தீதும் நன்றும் பிறர்தர வாரா ;

நோதலும் தணிதலும் அவற்றோ ரன்ன ;

சாதலும் புதுவது அன்றே ; வாழ்தல்

இனிதுஎன மகிழ்ந்தன்றும் இலமே; முனிவின்,

இன்னா தென்றலும் இலமே; ‘மின்னொடு

வானம் தண்துளி தலைஇ, ஆனாது

கல்பொருது இரங்கும் மல்லற் பேர்யாற்று

நீர்வழிப் படூஉம் புணைபோல, ஆருயிர்

முறைவழிப் படூஉம்’ என்பது திறவோர்

காட்சியின் தெளிந்தனம் ஆகலின், மாட்சியின்

பெரியோரை வியத்தலும் இலமே;

சிறியோரை இகழ்தல் அதனினும் இலமே.----

எட்டுத்தொகை நூல்களில் ஒன்றாகிய ..புறநானூறு. 192 -

நாச்சி நாக
 

Nara

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....Who knows what's in future,maybe since world population is bursting,things will be homo-s only for a while(plz treat this line as joke).
Come on Nachi, I am trying to engage you in an honest discussion and you are being evasive. You are clearly unhappy with what you see as hypocrisy of some of the members here. What exactly is your position? Are you in favor people by abandoning caste or openly declaring their castiest feelings so that they are not hypocrites any more? Which is it? Hope you will favor me with a plain answer.

Cheers!
 

Nara

Well-known member
.... மாட்சியின்
பெரியோரை வியத்தலும் இலமே;
சிறியோரை இகழ்தல் அதனினும் இலமே.----
Hi Nachi, what பூங்குன்றனார் says would mean we should not be over awed by great acharyas, like say Bhagavat Ramanuja, or look down upon people who seem totally unlettered, may be like me, is it not? In fact it is more important (அதனினும் இலமே) not to put down the common folks.

Cheers!
 

nachi naga

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Come on Nachi, I am trying to engage you in an honest discussion and you are being evasive. You are clearly unhappy with what you see as hypocrisy of some of the members here. What exactly is your position? Are you in favor people by abandoning caste or openly declaring their castiest feelings so that they are not hypocrites any more? Which is it? Hope you will favor me with a plain answer.

Cheers!
Nara,

I personally in my opinion do NOT believe in castes.In my personal life,i chose my life partner based on my engineering background.Incidentally she also happened to be a smartha brahmin like me,which is purely guru anugraham.

nachi naga.
 

nachi naga

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Hi Nachi, what பூங்குன்றனார் says would mean we should not be over awed by great acharyas, like say Bhagavat Ramanuja, or look down upon people who seem totally unlettered, may be like me, is it not? In fact it is more important (அதனினும் இலமே) not to put down the common folks.

Cheers!
Nara,

கற்றதனால் ஆய பயனென்கொல் வாலறிவன்
நற்றாள் தொழாஅர் எனின்.

No fruit have men of all their studied lore,
Save they the 'Purely Wise One's' feet adore.

Explanation:

தன்னைவிட அறிவில் மூத்த பெருந்தகையாளரின் முன்னே வணங்கி நிற்கும் பண்பு இல்லாவிடில் என்னதான் ஒருவர் கற்றிருந்தாலும் அதனால் என்ன பயன்? ஒன்றுமில்லை.

What Profit have those derived from learning, who worship not the good feet of Him who is possessed of pure knowledge ?

nachi naga.
 

Nara

Well-known member
....I personally in my opinion do NOT believe in castes.
Thanks Nachi, we are making progress. You have no problem with mixing castes, am I right? So, would you join me in requesting that veg. NB's be included in CBE svyamvaram, only for those who don't mind, no compulsion.

Cheers!
 

Nara

Well-known member
தன்னைவிட அறிவில் மூத்த பெருந்தகையாளரின் முன்னே வணங்கி நிற்கும் பண்பு இல்லாவிடில் என்னதான் ஒருவர் கற்றிருந்தாலும் அதனால் என்ன பயன்? ஒன்றுமில்லை.

No Nachi, that is not what I said, only that the verse of பூங்குன்றனார் you quoted says we must treat both the exalted and the common equally.

மாட்சியின் பெரியோரை வியத்தலும் இலமே;
சிறியோரை இகழ்தல் அதனினும் இலமே.-

No need to get over awed by மாட்சியின் பெரியோர்.

Perhaps you have a different interpretation of this particular phrase, "மாட்சியின் பெரியோரை வியத்தலும் இலமே". If so, what would it be?

Cheers!
 

nachi naga

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Thanks Nachi, we are making progress. You have no problem with mixing castes, am I right? So, would you join me in requesting that veg. NB's be included in CBE svyamvaram, only for those who don't mind, no compulsion.

Cheers!
Nara Ayya,

Vegetarian non-brahmins are far more rigid in achaarams,than Tamizh Brahmins in Tamizh Nadu,in my opinion.Some of the Chettiars,Pillaymars,..etc will put us to shame,sir.I have absolutely no problems in non-brahmins of the jathi variety to mingle,rate date mate.Brahmanan is one who knows Brahman especially the Nirgunam ulla Brahman,sir is my definition of Brahmin.So,there is no jathi involved in my definition,but practically,jathi exists.It's a long drawn process to inculcate this thought.It's definitely easier for jathi brahmin to grasp the nuances of our ancient religion and practices.This is a fact.A catch 22 situation,really.

nachi naga.
 
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