India can never live in real peace unless Pakistan starts appreciating growth, progress, economic development like India in a secular sense. Otherwise India will be forever plagued by radical Islam from across the border.
Yamaka, this thread starter, has declared openly that he does not believe in God. But even he would like this joke involving God. Here it goes...
One of the devotees of God asked him why He gives him so much worries though he prays Him everyday. God explained to him that his world is balanced. He (God) told him that he never gives anyone only happiness or only worries. To prove His point, God took the devotee and showed him the countries around the world.
They saw the U.S. God said "This is the country to whom I have given wealth. But the people do not have peace of mind"
They saw Africa. God said, "This is the country with natural resources. But the people live in poverty"
They saw India. God said, "This is the best of my creations. They are smart, hardworking, loving, pious, reasonably wealthy, etc. etc.". At this point, the devotee asked, "Where is the balance you proudly declared?". God replied, "look at the neighbours I gave them".
Please read this article in WSJ - A very interesting and controversial view. Write about your considered views on this explosive matter. Cheers.
Why My Father Hated India - WSJ.com
Yamaka, this thread starter, has declared openly that he does not believe in God. But even he would like this joke involving God. Here it goes...
One of the devotees of God asked him why He gives him so much worries though he prays Him everyday. God explained to him that his world is balanced. He (God) told him that he never gives anyone only happiness or only worries. To prove His point, God took the devotee and showed him the countries around the world.
They saw the U.S. God said "This is the country to whom I have given wealth. But the people do not have peace of mind"
They saw Africa. God said, "This is the country with natural resources. But the people live in poverty"
They saw India. God said, "This is the best of my creations. They are smart, hardworking, loving, pious, reasonably wealthy, etc. etc.". At this point, the devotee asked, "Where is the balance you proudly declared?". God replied, "look at the neighbours I gave them".
I had already read it even before I saw this thread. I don't see any controversy in the article. Taseer is a gifted writer. The title is slightly misleading for ordinary eyes. Actually his father liked India and his argument was "India can conquer Pakistan with Bollywood, so why are they wasting time with missiles".
Even though Pakistan is islamic, it is divided along many ethnic lines that do not get along well. It has porous borders for all sorts of evil groups to trespass and trample all over it.
It is wrong to demonize Pakistanis. Overlooking political disinformation and a little nuisance called religion, Pakistanis and Indians share a great deal of commonground. Food, music, language, genetics, looks, taste, lifestyle.... In contrast there is little that is common between Indians and Europeans.
It is necessary that India takes a big brother role to help Pakistan and forge a stronger relationship, making use of common factors.
Dr. Barani/Yamaka,
I disagree with the point that pakistan would even like India to take anything like a Big Brother role.
It is futile even to think of Pakistan as a brother. IMO. Maybe the people of pakistan are loving and caring but when it comes to india there is always 1947 in mind and it is the other way round as well in minds of some of the Indians who have witnessed the partition.
Everytime the talks start and we start getting to a solution a war breaks out or a terrorist attack happens.
I think it will be best for the Indian govt. to stop taking steps to improve the Bilateral tie.
I wonder how many have been to the Wagah Border for the Beating Retreat Ceremony . The people who have been there can feel the biiterness still prevailing.
As soon as the soldier start to lower the flag there are slogans of "Hindustan Zindabad" and "Pakistan Zindabad". But in between we also hear the slogans of "Hindustan Murdabad" and "Pakistan Murdabad".
I had already read it even before I saw this thread. I don't see any controversy in the article. Taseer is a gifted writer. The title is slightly misleading for ordinary eyes. Actually his father liked India and his argument was "India can conquer Pakistan with Bollywood, so why are they wasting time with missiles".
Even though Pakistan is islamic, it is divided along many ethnic lines that do not get along well. It has porous borders for all sorts of evil groups to trespass and trample all over it.
It is wrong to demonize Pakistanis. Overlooking political disinformation and a little nuisance called religion, Pakistanis and Indians share a great deal of commonground. Food, music, language, genetics, looks, taste, lifestyle.... In contrast there is little that is common between Indians and Europeans.
It is necessary that India takes a big brother role to help Pakistan and forge a stronger relationship, making use of common factors.
Dr. Barani/Yamaka,
I disagree with the point that pakistan would even like India to take anything like a Big Brother role.
It is futile even to think of Pakistan as a brother. IMO. Maybe the people of pakistan are loving and caring but when it comes to india there is always 1947 in mind and it is the other way round as well in minds of some of the Indians who have witnessed the partition.
Everytime the talks start and we start getting to a solution a war breaks out or a terrorist attack happens.
I think it will be best for the Indian govt. to stop taking steps to improve the Bilateral tie.
I wonder how many have been to the Wagah Border for the Beating Retreat Ceremony . The people who have been there can feel the biiterness still prevailing.
As soon as the soldier start to lower the flag there are slogans of "Hindustan Zindabad" and "Pakistan Zindabad". But in between we also hear the slogans of "Hindustan Murdabad" and "Pakistan Murdabad".
But the theology of Islam in its extreme interpretation involves brotherhood only with those that obey the Sharia law, and deception (even posing as an Atheist if needed ) is seemingly sanctioned, if the end goal is to get people to obey Koran and follow Sharia law. People that follow deception or do other violent acts feel that they are doing 'god's work'.
If you fight fire with fire then there is only more fire, not less.
It is not entirely true that Pakistan fought India everytime. The Bangladesh war was primarily Indira Gandhi's decision. A mere excuse of 'refugees from East Pakistan came to India' is insufficient to wage a war. What did India do to Bangladesh after the war? Nothing. It left it to rot and suffer the floods. So, lets not assume that our politicians are somehow angels compared to Pakistani politicians. Remember, Musharraf was born in Delhi, Advani was born in Lahore! It should have been a cakewalk to forge a friendship between these two. Instead, Advani's lifetime ambition has been to wage a war with Pakistan. He is no different than Indira Gandhi. Thankfully sane minds as Vajpayee prevailed over Advani.
Building relationships takes time. A better exchange program in education, a simpler cross-border matchmaking, better trade regulations that allow investors from both sides to participate etc are required.
Arch Rivals UK and France have fought hundred year wars. Now look at them, almost hugging like newly married couple. If they can do that, India-Pakistan can do it in a jiffy.
Dr. Barani,
I agree to your thoughts however we have to live in reality. The politicians on either side of border can never think of promoting brotherhood.
My only point in the discussion was for the Big Brother approach. Why should India extend hands? We can still keep on growing the way we are growing by ignoring the neighbouring countries. Why should we take them along with us?
Indians have to become selfish in thinking of the growth of India as a country and stop thinking about the Indian Sub-Continent.
We as Indians always think what could have been had India/Pakistan/Bangladesh been together. But the truth of the matter is Past is Past and never comes back we have to be futuristic.
Did the British develop a Hong Kong in India before leaving? Everything acheived by India is due to its efforts and efficiency and not because our neighbours have supported us.
Its like a family with three Sons. The eldest son is expected to forgive everything regardless of the fact that the other two brother might be good for nothing. Its all because of the values.
Sadely there is no family here.
You have to be practicle and not live in fairy land. I am not supporting the indian politicians or the pakistani politicians.
We all remember about Jawant Singh and Advani's comment on Jinnah and the reaction in the political circles.
The point I'm trying to make is no matter what we do we cannot build a relation with Pakistan now.
On the Bangladesh perspective, please give me one good reason for India to support another country when it was in a crisis itself.
If it was not self suficient there should not have been a country in the first place.
Jinnah was a great man: Jaswant Singh - Times Of India
BJP expels Jaswant Singh over Jinnah remarks - Times Of India
'BJP disagrees with Advani's comments on Jinnah' - Times Of India
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all westen abrahamic religions are some kind of genocide...take jewish/ christianity crusaders/islamists...so they prefer conversion methods....
they kill each other...in the name of faith/jihad/crusade....but eastern dharmik religions based some kind of dharma virtuous...
like hinduism/jainism/buddhism.....the whole system based on some kind of dharma chakra.....buddhism still survived many
south eastern countries....because of dharma.....DHARMO RAKSHATI RAKHITAH.....one who protects dharma....dharma protects
them....
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all westen abrahamic religions are some kind of genocide...take jewish/ christianity crusaders/islamists...so they prefer conversion methods....
they kill each other...in the name of faith/jihad/crusade....but eastern dharmik religions based some kind of dharma virtuous...
like hinduism/jainism/buddhism.....the whole system based on some kind of dharma chakra.....buddhism still survived many
south eastern countries....because of dharma.....DHARMO RAKSHATI RAKHITAH.....one who protects dharma....dharma protects
them....
regrads
tbs
.....India must first distance itself from the U.S. and try to plot an independent course joining hands with states like Brazil, SA, and Turkey.......
Raghy, Mbeke and Zuma may be flawed, but I think Mandela has set SA on a liberal democratic course with no designs for regional hegemony. IMO, the world will be a better place if the long oppressed are united and stand against the expansion of the neocolonialist powers. K, sad to see Canada turning abruptly to the right , otherwise, I would have included Canada with Brazil, SA, and Turkey.Don't know about SA. The rest of the analysis reflects the reality.