Dear Sri. Raju, Greetings.
I have not been very active for the past few days. Sorry for the delay in addressing your post. I notice, a lot of discussion have taken place in this thread hence. I refer to your message in post #42, please.
With the same assumptions, the way the mother manipulated everything-a helpless anglo-saxon sperm, artificial insemination, rahu kalam for upanayanam, an upanayanam conducted by “Iyengars” with sudarshana homam to boot, with many invitees etc., just to prove a point to some one, deserves a critical assessment.
I said I was assuming something and also said I could be wrong in my initial message. Your assumptions are as good as mine. I don't see any debate in that.
People here are not judgmental about the mother. It was not an ordinary upanayanam of an ordinary child. Because of and only because of the mother’s background the child became a special child and its upanayanam also became a special one. Here the mother, her actions and the child are inseparable.
Sorry sir, I noticed couple of messages judgemental towards mother's morality or the lack of it. I am not interested in getting into a debate; so, I am not pointing them out. All children are only ordinary children once they are born. What is the difference? Personally I don't see any difference. How that child was conceived by her mother is not the child to decide. Irrrespective of the way that child was conceived, it grew up just like any other child in a woman's womb. Kindly allow me to diifer with you on this, please.
When I said
Can our community widen their thinking further? Can our community become more acceptive? Can our community accept there can be persons who are not quite traditionalists? Personally I said 'yes' to every question. this is despite the fact, most persons would not even consider me as a Tamil Brahmin person.
, your reply was
More acceptive of what? Acceptive of relentless attacks to wipe out? Acceptive of the persistent demand to forget glorious traditions and culture and take inferior and harmful “glittering cellophane packed” modern values? You may not ‘know’ the tradition and so you may not be a traditionalist. But that does not give you the freedom to call traditionalists stupid. The so called traditionalists are ready to wait indefinitely until you understand traditions and take a view.
Sir, I am not going to address the things I did not say. I did not call traditionlists by any name. In fact, I did not even talk about them. I am only advocating for 'non-traditionalists'. I don't see the reason for such an outburst from you; I know I respects everyone's right to live the way they like to.
When I said 'more acceptive', all I meant to say was more acceptive towards children who are born from different circumstances than the usual. Also, more acceptive towards non-traditionalists. That's all.
When I said
If we believe in God, God is common for everyone. God would not isolate one particular caste or creed for blessing.
, your reply was
Which caste is claiming such a privilege?
Sir, I did not say any particular caste was claiming any privilege. My message quoted by yourself is produced here again for your perusal. So, I don't think I am required to answer your question, please.
Sri. Raju, personally I think, there is no need for passing judgement about anyone at anytime. But more often than not, I notice persons are just judgemental. It is not only this case, but in general. i notice that in this little forum too;judgement is passed on flimsy grounds or on no grounds and following that, one would be treated with prejudice.
While I have respect for traditionalists, I also have respect for non-traditionalists too. If you think about it, not only amoung Tamil Brahmins, but also in most communities across the wide spectrum, non-traditionalists may more often than not out number the traditionalists.
Cheers!