good point cheenus.
personally, i think, this is another occassion, where we lost another occassion to win the goodwill of the other tamil tribes.
i often come across kunjuppu ji with the expression tamil "tribes"...sir, is there any specific reason why you use 'tribes' instead of castes or some other alternative since i thot people usually do not like to be called tribal ?
what exactly is "inam" ?
is it like a code of conduct or bonding between members of different tribes?
did it exist in the tamil communities in the past? when?
The discussion between myself and Shri.Kunjuppu is all in line with the objective of this thread 'TAMIL Brahmins'.. Yes,if one looks with a broader worldview or with nationalistic eyes, I may look, bit narrow minded.
But one of the valid points,which both Shri.Nacchi & Kujuppu stress often is, the integration of TB's with the mainstream Tamils, who got alienated during Dravidian regime in the name of caste/ or even in the name of Aryan race.. AIT is proved wrong now, right!!. According to shri. Hari, it was more a kind of retaliation,which needs continue, or possibly, he lost his hope on this subject. Where as Kunjuppu's view is, use every opportunity,to get involved with the mainstream, keeping aside the past.. As Kunjuppu rightly pointed out, TB's missed a good opportunity to utilise it during this shrilankan issue..
Goodness, so you think srilanka issue was an opportunity for the TBs to integrate with the rest of the masses? May i ask in what way are the TBs related to a civil war in an other country that came about because of myriad factors such as skewed up history and struggle for land control?
Was it not totally the business of land control, white-washed with the idea of race and history? And i do not understand this whole idea of trying to portray the 'tamils' as different from the rest of the masses. For me, in the context of the srilanka issue and dravidian political issue, it all boils down to the idea of power control and superiority of disproportionate misplaced origins. Ofcourse, both tamils and sinhalese fell for this drummed up idea that they were racially somehow different, just bcoz they spoke diff languages and followed diff cultures. In such a case, my mother and i should also be just as different from one another.
It took a combination like rajapaksa-fonseka to weed out a cancer like ltte. And thankgod for it. Surely you cannot expect any sane tamil civilian (let alone a tb) to support any kind of anti state seperatist agenda.
Lemme put it this way, do you want telugu ppl to support an armed outfit, like say the naxals, to ask for a seperate country? They too can have a 'history' that can very well be skewed up to drum up so-called superiority for seperatism. I dunno what history says, but genetics supports that many-many tamils moved from the lands above them to the current ones, so it is impossible that they are unrelated to the populations in the lands above them.
Getting integrated with the rest of the tamils has nothing to do with the srilanka issue. Can't we learn to live with one another without infringing upon the other's wish to live life following his own culture? I do not understand the origin of this social pressure, but must say that its difficult not to fall for it.
For eg, during death of MGR/Prabakaran/when JJ was in Jail so many of the followers self immolated or protested jointly in support of J.J. But when Kanchi seer was arrested, there was abrupt silence among the hindus.. Such was the difference between the communities, which was doctored, for many selfish reasons of past.. The question here, should one retaliate and distance himself further, or get closer and find a unified solution and joint venture. I think, HariH has lost the hope on the later..
This self immolation stuff is so crass, defetist, insane, foolish. Someone i know nearly succeeded in immolating herself in the mandal commission anti reservations showdown (was misguided). Am glad nobody immolated themselves during the kanchi seer's arrest. I do not think Jayendra swami wud have ever encouraged a cowardly act like that. Just because nobody immolated themselves does not mean there is no support for Jayendra Swami. There are many-many supporting him silently (me also). Certainly, justice will be done. God has His plans. I do not think hari-ji has lost hope on any 'joint venture', instead he seems to say that isolation from the mainstream is no good. When he say 'panam' and not 'inam', am taking it for granted that inam means affinity, filiality, bonding, shared belonging.
I am sure Shri.Kunjuppu would have lot more valid points to share..
1. Though the thread is about 'ShriLanka', the message what he said was bit different (but important)..Its all about integration of TB's with the mainland .
2. He has conveyed a very deep important message,and, instead of talking in line with that broad spectrum, we are deviating in to Ltte/Nationality/Self-Immolation/ Bharathiyar etc etc. Im not sure, if you all have picked up in right tone.
3. Anyways, the talk on Srilankan' issue at the moment is not of interest to me.
4. The genocide is all over. History will definitely blame India/T.N (you and me)'for being a mute spectator' to the genocide of 20,000 innocent human lives.
History will definitely blame India/T.N (you and me)'for being a mute spectator' to the genocide of 20,000 innocent human lives.
This issue is about governments. And if it is a unit like ltte that killed its own people (if they did not toe the narrow lines dictated by prabhakaran), then yes it is best for all tamils and civilians to be 'mute spectators'. Am being practical. I dunno abt you, but i am sure i cannot change anything in bosnia either.
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