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Rahul Gandhi - Brilliant General leading the battalion - wow what a transformation !

indianassault

Active member
Response to post #36

Let me explain.

Demo - on the surface, it looks like an easy switch of notes for a few days and at best 2 months. So why should this impact the economy.

Anytime one disrupts flow of - currency, people and goods, then the economy will get disrupted. Here all 3 got disrupted as people abandoned work and stood in queues.

First, Businesses running on cash had to deposit all the money and then withdraw in small lot of 20k inr for months distorting their cash flow. Why ? Because banks ran out of cash and had to impose cash limits to avoid full scale rioting.

Second, business sentiment collapsed. People simply stopped buying after demonetisation. They only spent on essentials leading to massive inventories piling up across the country leading to systemic losses. And these businesses could not pay the bank loans and started defaulting which led to banks collapse - IDBI and ilfs and other state led banks. Hence they had to do a full scale bank recapitalisation.

The business sentiment was down for months (and still not recovered fully), severely disrupted the businesses and millions collapsed across the country.

Same thing happened last 3 months back. Fuel prices went sky high and then it came back down. But business sentiment collapsed in the meanwhile and people stopped buying cars and scooters leading to massive inventory pile up and losses.

not to mention, there are lots of cascading impacts due to demo which I have not listed here.
Jaykay SIr,

Poonaiku yaru maniya katrathu ?? which loosely means, who will take the first steps?? Its easy to cry that things are not working, but only if some one is bold enough to try out policies that will help in the long run. What new things did Congress implement in the first 25 years?? We remained a socialist country with joblessness, poverty and red tape. It needed some one like Narasimha Rao and Vajpayee to lead the change.

While I dont believe in some stories like surgical strikes, terrorist money supply cut off , demonitization etc , why dont you talk about the good schemes like Health insurance, job creation etc??

The real PITA is for the politicians. If every thing is made electronic, it requires accountability - which we all hate.
 

Jaykay767

Well-known member
Jaykay SIr,

Poonaiku yaru maniya katrathu ?? which loosely means, who will take the first steps?? Its easy to cry that things are not working, but only if some one is bold enough to try out policies that will help in the long run. What new things did Congress implement in the first 25 years?? We remained a socialist country with joblessness, poverty and red tape. It needed some one like Narasimha Rao and Vajpayee to lead the change.

While I dont believe in some stories like surgical strikes, terrorist money supply cut off , demonitization etc , why dont you talk about the good schemes like Health insurance, job creation etc??

The real PITA is for the politicians. If every thing is made electronic, it requires accountability - which we all hate.
The govt view that these policies are somehow good in the long term, but it will create issues in the short term is not correct. And it is easy to spin doctor this saying, all okay lay in the long term.

Nothing positive will come out of demonetisation disaster and similarly GST. Businesses that got destroyed due to these 2 policies are gone forever and the jobs along with it. Those businesses that could not pay back the bank loans for months have all shut down. They cannot be reopened unless banks give working capital and with banks under massive NPAs, no way to do that.

I am sure you know how hard it is to build a business. So new businesses have to take their place and will take place over long periods of time. That's why the farm sector, real estate, textiles etc.. arenot able to come back up even after 2 yrs of demo.

Many assume that black money is bad, has to be bad, so it is bad. That is not economics but the need to be seen morally right. In economics, there is no white or black money, it simply studies flow of money and how it impacts the overall GDP.

Black money has both pros and cons as any. For eg, let's say, a guy has 100 crores black. Then he will freely invest in lands, houses, stocks, hire car drivers instead of self drive, workers at home, etc.. Let's say his friend or relation wants to start a business and wants 50 lakhs , he will freely give him. What is the risk in losing ill gotten wealth after all. Lol. So he contributes more to the economy, on the other hand the White money guy will not spend any money as it is hard earned and will be very careful, so he actually contributes less to the economy.

That's why the economy was booming during Manmohan era as black money oiled the economy. Now we can debate whether this is okay or not. But remember the people did not vote the govt to make them "harishchandras". Lol

Most importantly even if people had voted, demonetisation was the most negative policy that could have been chosen. There were any number of measures that could have been taken to fight corruption, black money and formalization of the parallel economy.
 

Jaykay767

Well-known member
To add, many of the businesses that collapsed were all legitamate white money ones. They simply collapsed as people stopped buying for months and months and they could not sustain, they didn't have enough money.

But the black money guys had deep pockets and they survived this downturn to come back strong. So after demo the back money businesses are the ones thriving..

So much for fighting corruption. It would be hilarious if not so tragic !!
 

Jaykay767

Well-known member
Another misnomer is that this govt is very honest, I disagree,

1. Why didn't the govt appoint Lokpal and investigate the politicians, govt bureaucrats, employees corruption? We all know this is the biggest source of corruption. The entire Anna Hazare movement was for Lokpal so that 2g kind of scams can be prevented

2. No IT or ED raids happens to any of the BJP politicians. Why ? All harishchandras ? Only opposition is corrupt ?

3. Rafale - why was the CBI director removed twice in such unprecedented rush ?

4. How're they getting vast sums of money to spend on elections ? Why no transparency ?

5. Similarly RTI request are being denied for numerous cases under one pretext or another. Why if one has nothing to hide ?

So....
 

indianassault

Active member
The govt view that these policies are somehow good in the long term, but it will create issues in the short term is not correct. And it is easy to spin doctor this saying, all okay lay in the long term.

Nothing positive will come out of demonetisation disaster and similarly GST. Businesses that got destroyed due to these 2 policies are gone forever and the jobs along with it. Those businesses that could not pay back the bank loans for months have all shut down. They cannot be reopened unless banks give working capital and with banks under massive NPAs, no way to do that.

I am sure you know how hard it is to build a business. So new businesses have to take their place and will take place over long periods of time. That's why the farm sector, real estate, textiles etc.. arenot able to come back up even after 2 yrs of demo.

Many assume that black money is bad, has to be bad, so it is bad. That is not economics but the need to be seen morally right. In economics, there is no white or black money, it simply studies flow of money and how it impacts the overall GDP.

Black money has both pros and cons as any. For eg, let's say, a guy has 100 crores black. Then he will freely invest in lands, houses, stocks, hire car drivers instead of self drive, workers at home, etc.. Let's say his friend or relation wants to start a business and wants 50 lakhs , he will freely give him. What is the risk in losing ill gotten wealth after all. Lol. So he contributes more to the economy, on the other hand the White money guy will not spend any money as it is hard earned and will be very careful, so he actually contributes less to the economy.

That's why the economy was booming during Manmohan era as black money oiled the economy. Now we can debate whether this is okay or not. But remember the people did not vote the govt to make them "harishchandras". Lol

Most importantly even if people had voted, demonetisation was the most negative policy that could have been chosen. There were any number of measures that could have been taken to fight corruption, black money and formalization of the parallel economy.
Have we come to a point where morality and legality takes a back seat over party and preferences?? And when did the common people start worrying about businesses going bust or
 
If dynastic rule by Feroze Khan's descendants is ardently advocated by some as the ideal all-in cure , why not go the whole hog and bring back the British Raj?

And make Theresa May Prime Minister-President of post-Partition India?
 

Jaykay767

Well-known member
Have we come to a point where morality and legality takes a back seat over party and preferences?? And when did the common people start worrying about businesses going bust or
They always worried about businesses as they provide jobs. Common people lost their jobs and livelyhood in this misadventure by the 10s of millions when these businesses shutdown. They are all still unemployed and suffering.

Not about morality and legality taking a back seat. Morality and legality comes after a hungry man gets food. When did any of you start asking companies whether they are indulging in tax evasion before taking the job ??

Peoples lives comes always ahead of corruption. And when did fighting corruption means destroying large swathes of businesses and people's livelyhood ??

On the contrary, it will be the first time in india, people will vote on the disastrous economic performance not on party or caste or emotions.

On a side note, Rahul was able to project very well with the people who were desperately looking for alternatives by winning the 3 states. Any Third front leader could very well have come up but none did.
 

Jaykay767

Well-known member
why should Muslims not rule this country ?? They are our citizens and brothers and as intelligent, smart and capable as any of us. And have every right to do so.

Having said that, it is not about supporting this or that dynasty. It so happened Rahul suddenly emerged in the front and stunned everyone by winning the assembly elections.
 
Feroze Khan's descendants are truly Muslims? Not closet-Muslims aspiring to be first female chauvinist Mahdis? Astounding news.

Sure. Let Muslims, and Muslims alone, rule India. Bring back 700 years of Mogul slave-rule. Demolish Madurai and Rameswaram and build duplicate Aurangazeb Alamgir Masjids there. Ditto ditto in Ayodhya.

Cow slaughterhouses in every village, town,colony, city in India. Raze all remaining temples, shrines, gurudvaras, churches, synagogues wherever they be and erect Kutb minars with the salvaged materials. Everyone to be circumcised, including girls and women. Every man free to marry eight women each, and keep a harem without limit to the number of slaves.

All martyrs guaranteed two dozen virgins and female martyrs guaranteed two dozen nubile boys in Heaven (Jannat).

All others - Buddhists, Hindus, Jains, Sikhs, Christians, Jews, agnostics, atheists are by definition unintelligent, unsmart, incapable of ruling (ruining?) India.

S Narayanaswamy Iyer
 
BJP's rule has been disappointing in many areas.

It not only continued Congress's communal schemes favoring the minorities - especially the muslims and christians but also enhanced them. It did nothing to minimize the effects of completely discriminatory and anti-hindu laws such as RTE. It proved to be a namesake hindutva party only. Did nothing to protect hindu customs, festivals or temples. The relentless attacks on hindu festivals whether it is diwali or holi or dahi handi or temple customs (shani temple or sabarimala) by seculars continued unabated.

BJP lacked the ruthlessness of Congress party. Just one week after winning the elections, the congress govts in Rajasthan, MP, chattisgarh did things like mass dismissals of gov servants, ordered rewriting of text books etc. BJP on the other hand was proud to have not touched text books - even the text books that are full of Congress propaganda. What ever little changes that BJP dared to make, it was apologetic about it and something Congress Undid without any remorse. of course Congress having media in the pocket helps it. But what has BJP done to dismantle and expose the utterly biased media? It can learn from Trump how to deal with a hostile media.


Positive aspects include absence of big ticket corruption, reduction of pilferage in scenes meant for poor, focus on villages including electrification and building of sanitary facilities, emphasis on swach bharat (Transformation of River Ganges is phenomenal). Overall despite what is written on this thread, I think this rule is net positive for poor even if the same cannot be said for middle class.

Another big thumbs up to BJP for No terrorist attacks from Pakistan during this rule. Surgical Strike was a bold move.


Can congress be depended upon to keep India safe? After all, did not Congress try to pin the blame for 26/11 terrorism on RSS even after Kasab was caught red-handed? Isn't this proof that Congress will even mortgage country' s security for grabbing power?

With all the BJP's faults we may concede it does not deserve another chance, but is Congress a better choice? That is what i dont get from this thread!
 

Brahmanyan

Well-known member
Dear Sri "Vaagmi",
I fully agree with the well analysed post of yours. As one not interested in politics and politicians I appreciate this Government's efforts in cleaning the mess inherited, when they got the massive mandate of the common people to rule the Country. I am also surprised on the complaints about demonetisation of higher value currency this Government brought to curb the black money. Except for the initial delay in getting new currency, no problem was faced by honest earner like me. Only corrupt people holding black money should be worried. It is ammusing to see all opposition Parties try to group themselves to form a "gudbhandhan" to defeat the present ruling Combine. Their only policy seems to be to defeat Mr Modi.! No one knows who will head this "gudbhandhan" Government (if elected) or what will be their common minimum program to govern this Country..! What we see today in Karnataka where two Parties joined to rule,is a sample warning. Here the Government is yet to take form, since each elected person wants a piece of Cake. Today, all the MLAs are hearded to resorts to keep the flock together. We hope the common people of India will be intelligent enough to vote the Party under the leadership of honest and hardworking leader to power.

Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
 
Another "well-known member" Brahmanyan writes:-

"No one knows who will head this "gudbhandhan" Government (if elected) or what will be their common minimum program to govern this Country..! "

Why try to read tea-leaves?

Some virile foreign woman was puppet-mistress of former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. She will again manipulate the strings attached to Rah-ul Nehru-Khan who will dance to his Mom's tune. Dynastic rule endures despite a NaMo interlude. This is India, not England.

S Narayanaswamy Iyer
 

Vaagmi

Well-known member
Dear Sri "Vaagmi",
I fully agree with the well analysed post of yours. As one not interested in politics and politicians I appreciate this Government's efforts in cleaning the mess inherited, when they got the massive mandate of the common people to rule the Country. I am also surprised on the complaints about demonetisation of higher value currency this Government brought to curb the black money. Except for the initial delay in getting new currency, no problem was faced by honest earner like me. Only corrupt people holding black money should be worried. It is ammusing to see all opposition Parties try to group themselves to form a "gudbhandhan" to defeat the present ruling Combine. Their only policy seems to be to defeat Mr Modi.! No one knows who will head this "gudbhandhan" Government (if elected) or what will be their common minimum program to govern this Country..! What we see today in Karnataka where two Parties joined to rule,is a sample warning. Here the Government is yet to take form, since each elected person wants a piece of Cake. Today, all the MLAs are hearded to resorts to keep the flock together. We hope the common people of India will be intelligent enough to vote the Party under the leadership of honest and hardworking leader to power.

Brahmanyan
Bangalore.
Thank you Mr. Brahmanyan. I am just another citizen who is watching the national and international politics with keen interest. That is all. I am no camp follower. I just wrote what I have understood.
 

smg

New member
I don’t know if anybody here mentioned about the National Herald scam. Both SG and Rahul baba are out on bail. It’s a smoking gun. You know when people say that they are fighting against corruption, maybe they should first explain a little bit about why they are out on bail. Now, why should I vote for someone who has a strong prima facie evidence against him and is being prosecuted under the section 420 of IPC? Also, its an open and shut case. Its not like the witness is going to turn hostile.

This is the same Rahul baba who says “Chowkidar chor hai”. Why can’t Rahul baba go to the court and file a complaint against Mr. Modi and Nirmala Sitaraman under the prevention of corruption act? Every time you do a Rafael, we bowl an Augusta scam. We all know that Christian Michael is singing before the CBI. If I may remind you, I think it was Gulam Nabi Azad who got a breach of privilege motion against him during the Augusta Westland debate. Was there a scam? Mr Antony has come out and said to the press that the corruption had taken place and bribes had been taken, probably in March 2013 (I stopped keeping tabs on these scams after Modi came to power but you can verify it). Why doesn’t Rahul baba talk about this? Is he even aware of it? He is busy chanting Rafael-astotharam, Rafael-Chalisa, etc. As far as the prices are concerned, onion prices go up, real estate goes up, I remember when I did my engineering it used to be 28,090Rs I think (for which I took education loan! and now what's the price?), the house rent goes up, electricity bill goes up and so the Rafael prices are adjusted accordingly. Nobody wants to sell their goods for an outdated cost. Look up Agusta, they paid nearly 6 times the cost set by price negotiation committee. When Augusta wanted only 3000 and odd cr, the congress Govt paid 4000+ cr. I am not saying it, its been brought up in RS debates. Look it up. Thats a scam.

Now, a recent development that’s making the news. The mighty EVM tampering. If you remember, there was a techie (again I stopped keeping tabs) by name Hariprasad or something who got arrested in 2009 or 2010 when he tried to prove that EVMs can be tampered! If it wasn’t for Dr Swami ji, VVPAT would not have been adopted. What was Rahul baba doing when the techie was arrested? Now they are claiming that EVMs can be tampered? I was shocked to learn that Sibal (ofcourse, nobody cares Sibal) is attending a hackathon in London where they are trying to demonstrate how EVMs can be hacked. You can wake up an hour late, I personally don't mind! But bring this up after 9 years? They are intellectually bankrupt since there are no real issues.

If they continue this kind of attitude, congress will soon end up in a soup. The plot thickens as they say . . .
 

vgane

Well-known member
With their plot of propping up Rahul Baba going down under, they are now resurrecting Priyanka Vadra as General Secretary!! What is her so called contribution other than being part of Maharani's kitchen cabinet? It is all in one family!!
 
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