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Occult Sciences - Magic/Tantra/Kundalini...

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There is nothing called Ugra or Soumya Murtis. Maa Kali is perceived by the Tamil Nadu Brahmins as Ugra Murti where as in Bengal she is loved as Mother Goddess. Gods/Goddessses do not have Gunas. We are trying to classify gods as per our rules. Devi is called Trigunathmikayai. God/Goddesses are above Gunas. Kali Is Brahman. Brahman does not have Gunas.

Soumyasoumya tharasesha soumbyavadhi sundari
Para paranam pararma tmeva parameswari

Devi Mahatmyam

There is a book by Bharadwaja Swamiji in Tamil called Ananda Rupini Kali. Anandamayi, Karunamayi. The Ugra is in the eyes of the beholder.

Lord Narasimha does not look Ugra to me.
 
There is nothing called Ugra or Soumya Murtis. Maa Kali is perceived by the Tamil Nadu Brahmins as Ugra Murti where as in Bengal she is loved as Mother Goddess. Gods/Goddessses do not have Gunas. We are trying to classify gods as per our rules. Devi is called Trigunathmikayai. God/Goddesses are above Gunas.

I agree that guna is only in the eyes of the sadhaka... but then, that is the character which the deity possesses... There are different manifestations of a same avatar... Lakshmi Narasimha, Yoga Narasimha and similarly Ugra Narasimha... so the sadhaka meditates on the form of the devata associated with a particular guna... and hence this statement applies as we see the roopam...

Aside:

Your posts give me the feel that you may be a Devi upasaka... (pardon the indulgence :wave:)
 
Talking about magic, the most potent Mantras and prayogas are found in Atharva Veda. In fact most of the Mantrics from Kerala use Atharva Veda.

Both Ayur Veda and Astrology are from the Atharva Veda. There is a lot of overlap between Atharva Veda and Tantras which came later than the Atharva Veda.

In Visha vidyam that is snake bite treatment Garuda upasana played a major role.

Anyone who is interested in the Magic could read a novel Krishna Parunthu in Malayalam. A Tamil translation is also available. The novel was written after the author did some research on the subject.
 
Anyone who is interested in the Magic could read a novel Krishna Parunthu in Malayalam. A Tamil translation is also available. The novel was written after the author did some research on the subject.
Have read the entire story... even watched the malayalam movie... think mohanlal was the lead actor...

Believe it was published in the kalki (or was it savi) magazine? I have the entire chapters separated and bound (actually done by my father)...

Kumaran was the main character, who was a wayward person until instructed in the Garuda upasana line by his maternal uncle pappu... the consequences of his practice is what the story is all about...
 
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Gods are omnipotent and omniscient. When we worship a particular deity we attribute all the qualities to that deity. Sri Ramakrishna was a Kali Bhakta. And his sattvik nature was well known. Prahlada saw Lord Narasimha only as God. Then he did not have the benefit of our theories. He was a true Bhakta.

As I had explained on my article on Bhakti, the relationship between MAA and her Bhakta is that of a six month old child and its mother. The child does not care whether the mother is ugly or beautiful, poor or rich, nude or clothed in rich clothes. The mother could be a Beggar or a Queen. It does not make an iota of difference to the child.

That is the conception of God and total surrender.

We have conceived God in our own image with all our inadequacies.
 
Bhakthi is associated with gunas - maybe of love, gratitude (among others) which ultimately leads to surrender... so there can never be a relationship without gunas... and the same is the case with our relationship with God.

Our gods are extensions of our force of thought.
 
Bhavas are not Gunas. The different bhavas in bhakti are known. Like Matru Bhava, Vatsalya Bhava, etc.

A six month old child does not think. I think it is Tennyson who said "For a child mother is God." Thought is in your brain. Bhakti is in the heart.

We are off topic here. Atharva Veda translations are available in English. I do not know about Tamil. Not likely. It is not popular in Tamil Nadu. But the prayoga is Guru based.
 
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s007bala

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In a betel leaf,people apply Maii ie black eye paste,to say kuri ie vaak siddhi.My late father had explained to me such esoteric techniques in Chennai,when he had a demonstration done for him,as he was a non-believer of such methodology.

sb
 
Just to clarify - Every human being perceives... the infant may not express it in known words as it is in a stage of undeveloped conditioning...

It recognizes its mother due to the fact that she feeds... it is possible that an infant if separated from its biological mother in the infant stage and provided for by another, would not remember anything about her...

Perception is the nature of us, beings... the infant is equivalent to god in that it seeks only to satisfy its hunger... and its mind is otherwise untainted by worldly perceptions...

Back to the topic:

Are there still people who have attained siddhis through atharva veda? I believe they do not advertise themselves... for that matter, are there genuine gurus nowadays, willing to impart the knowledge?

I could find many online translations of the atharva veda by non-Indians... and they seem to be out of focus... other sites have the pure sanskrit copies... an Indian translation in english would also suit... I can read sanskrit as I know hindi, but am not familiar with the grammar or meaning and hence an english or tamil translation with meaning and references would be great.
 
Naadi Shastra

I want to know information about Naadi Shastra, the poeple who practise it, whether it is a fact that they tell our name and past present and future, just by using our thumb impression etc etc
 
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s007bala

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I want to know information about Naadi Shastra, the poeple who practise it, whether it is a fact that they tell our name and past present and future, just by using our thumb impression etc etc

Shri TNV Raman

If you visit Vithieswaran Koil,near Kumbakonam,its the Head Quarters of Nadi Josiam.I visited in 1991,so i am not sure how it is now.There used to be one in Tambaram,Agastya Nadi Nilayam.Goodluck.Very accurate and no cheating.

sb
 
Hi S007bala,

Thanks for your reply. Do they charge anything? What is the procedure we need to follow there? How long does the entire process take? Can U please give me your email id so that I can discuss MORE about this matter with you.


Shri TNV Raman

If you visit Vithieswaran Koil,near Kumbakonam,its the Head Quarters of Nadi Josiam.I visited in 1991,so i am not sure how it is now.There used to be one in Tambaram,Agastya Nadi Nilayam.Goodluck.Very accurate and no cheating.

sb
 
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s007bala

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Shri TNV Raman

Yes they charge.This is biz and now i believe bayangara commercialisation.So be careful.First they will take thumb impression.Then a process of asking questions and eliminations will take place with olai chuvadi.Finally,if they have the chuvadi,then every detail will be accurate,otherwise they dont have your chuvadi of sage agastyar.About 30-120 minutes.Then the reading.Be prepared to spend whole day with them.I met Swamy here in Pontiac,usa.

sb


(1) http://www.srisivanadi.com

(2)Tel No: 044-22266264 or 22264497 Fax :044-22264272 this is Chennai
Tel No: 011-26105745 or 26105748 Fax :01126105749 this is New Delhi

My nadi Astrologer address
Mr. Durai Subburathinam
Naadi Astrologer
36, New State Bank Colony
Behind Philips Hospital
West Tambaram
Chennai - 600 045.
India
(3)Sannidhi Street
Thiruvanaikovil
Tiruchirappali(in short trichy)
Tamil Nadu
1) Thiru Gunjar Sachidanand Murthy
Shukar Nadi
Naadi Gruha 33,
5th Main Road,
Chamrajapet,
Bangalore - 560 018
Tel : 080 - 26601971
2) Thiru Manivasagan S
Siva Nadi
No 9, 3rd Cross, Bhavani Nagar,
Opp. Arunodaya Kalyana Mantapa,
Bannerghatta Road, Bangalore - 29
Tel : 080 - 26689169
3)PROF.A.N.K.SWAMY,
169/83,KUTCHERY ROAD,
VINAYAGA NAGAR,
(OPP E1 POLICE STATION)
MYLAPORE,
CHENNAI - 4.
SOUTH INDIA
MOBILE: 94440 27370
 
Information Requested About Naadi Astrologers

I am NEW to Naadi Astrology and I would like to have information about Naadi Astrology/Astrologers, their location (with contact addresses), fees they charge, Time required to be spent, accuracy, information that we need to give to the Naadi astrologers, and the information that we can expect form them etc etc.

Thanks in advance.
 
Wow!!!

Sri-N-Ji,

Please if you do not mind can explain a wee bit more on this. If mantra upasana can help read the past, could it be that nadi astrology can be faked ?
 

KRS

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Dear Sri TNVRaman Ji,

Agasthyar Nadi is said to be the most accurate. Nadis were written with the progression of Prasna Charts (moment to moment charts) for various locations and birth times. They are not either accurate to the time to seconds nor are they accurate to the exact location of birth.

So, usually the predictions are accurate, based on the time and location of the birth.

By the way, the future sometimes do not come to fruition because we have a choice in our actions during this birth. While one's horoscope is the blue print of ones's prarabdha karma it can not foresee the sanchtha karmaphala - the fruits of karma we acquire during this life time due to our free will actions and the portion of them to be experienced in the present life itself. Some say that the trasits of planets during our life time affect this and others have a contrary view.

I am not competent enough to go beyond this. However, I think that you are better off going to Kancheevaram where Agasthya Nadi tradition abounds, than Vaitheeswaran Koil.

Just my opinion.

Regards,
KRS
 
Hi Venkataraman, think sb has given the sufficient info on nadi jyodhidam...

There are many people who claim that it is indeed a miracle, but personally for me, there are a couple of key things that has not worked out as predicted. So when I went back to him, he now says that he had told me indirectly... so I would advise you to take nadi jyodhidam as a guide only...

If you are very keen, it is better to go to Vaitheeswaran kovil in kumbakonam... otherwise you could easily end up with a quack...

You can have two or more readings from different people just to check the veracity of the readings... there are two main branches of nadi jyodhidam named after the rishis - Agasthiar and Sukar...

Regards,
Seshadri
 
Palmistry is a good science wherein the past could be read... I did dabble a little in the basics of palmistry... BTW, I have the ring of Solomon (It is hereditary)!!!
 
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Thanks to KRS-ji abt the nadi charts..Sir, i also notice that a naadi astrologer does not mark any ascendent, and when i asked a naadi reader about it, he said it may be based on the position of a particular planet in a given house - how accurate does that make a naadi reading? (btw, he went like 'maybe' coz he was not sure, he said they only read and translate and have no idea how they were written)....also is it true that planetary transit in nadi is not based on the location of moon of a given chart?

Sesh-ji, i looked up that term 'ring of soloman' on google and found this: http://www.handanalysis.com/psychic_rings.html (found that i have a flat one on both hands and guess what both of them form one side of a box as well -- so much for my sense of irresponsibility :) - i dunno if its heredity, though i seem to have inherited a lot of manufacturing defects..).
 
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