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Is there something wrong with the Scientific Method?

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anandb

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happyhindu

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Dear Anand,

Hope you do not mind my writing this.

Drop-off in the effectiveness of drugs in not new. About a decade ago remember having read a report that traditionally prescribed antibiotics for various ailments were not working for japanese -- the report quoted that the dosage had to be altered considerably because the current japanese had become much taller and heavier than the japanese of the previous generation (so the traditional dosage of 10 to 20 mg per kilogram of the patient's body weight was not working). In India resistance to rifampacin is not new in TB patients (some doctors will go on increasing the prescribed dosage). Antibiotic- resistant typhoid also continues to be rampant (microorganisms also evolve a defense mechanism so the same drugs cannot continue to be effective).

In this case, the paper is dealing with decline of effectiveness of anti-psychotics. Psychiatry and psycology are very tricky fields. Where research is woefully still lacking. Moreover statistics is not a simple field either. As regards the decline effect of anti-psychotics There cud even be factors linked to lifestyle causing this decline. Or food also. Like eating nitrate-laden junk food, eating meat or drinking milk with traces of growth hormone (that was given to cows), or consuming food containing unknown toxic chemicals (the previous generation was not even consuming the amount of preservative we do today), and so on.

Please forgive me for saying this but i think the title is not correct. The paper you provided mentions some people (rhine and schooler) who are documenting the decline effect. So we are on the right track wrt science being a field where validation is important (or it wud be quakery). And as reseach grows, old theories tend to fall apart. There are quite a few papers where extra-sensory perception has been documented and research is being done.
 

B.Krishnamurthy

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Dear all members,
Many years before I read three articles in a Tamil Magazine " MANJARI' (similar to Readers Digest).
1. A German Scientist wanted to know why particular temples attract large crowds while few people visit some other temples.He found out that "Bright Hallow" is seen in the main deity of temples which attract large crowds,
less hallow in other temples, no hallow in ordinary stones.I do not know whether he used Telescope or any other device to come to this conclusion.
2.Two TIBETANS setlled in USA living in far off places used to think alike at the same time.They were practising 'Telepathy.According to Tibetan Philosophy, human beings get their connection with GOD disconnected when they go to sleep.The connection with God gets restored once a Human being get up from sleep,but it takes sometime for the restoration and the Human being gets their normal ability and alertness after some time.
3.Just like Swami VIVEKANANDA a faithful disciple of Swami RAGHAVENDRA visited USA to speak in the World religion conference.He falls seriously ill and removed to the Hospital.Doctors loose Hope and declare that the person will die in the night and his body may be removed to'Mortuary"
This person prays to SWAMI RAGAVENDRA that his end should come among his close relatives in INDIA.The Doctor finds him in sound health the next morning and very much surprised.This person tells the Doctor that his
GURU was sitting with him the whole night.The Hospital authorities put up a plaque about this miracle in the hospital and a photo of this plaque was also published in the magazine.
I had asked about this in various Raghavendra Mutts that I visited.Everyone said they are not aware.
Request knowledgeable members to throw more light on the three events.
 

Nara

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..... Shri. Nara, for reasons well known:) you were the first person who came to my mind while reading this article.
Hello Anand, you honor me more than I deserve. You know, talking of precognition, just yesterday I was thinking about you, what happened to dear Anand, he is silent for so long, probably got bored with all the useless arguments, I thought :).

Daniel Dennette has a section on "precognition" in his brazenly titled book, "Conciousness Explained" -- he gives a very reasonable rational explanation for some of the experimental results in this area.

You know Anand, it is articles like this one that bolsters my respect for science. Nobody thinks of science when they flip out their i-phone or Android and search for an Indian restaurant in an unfamiliar city, and just by touching it with the forefinger get turn-by-turn navigation assistance. Who thinks of science when we board an airplane and surrender our life to some unknown individuals we have never met. Science is not what we thank for the medicine we use to control blood sugar or pressure or a host of other chronic conditions. We take all these for granted.

But what makes science so wonderful is the case described in this article. Nothing is settled and beyond skepticism. No anomaly on "settled" theory is simply hushed up. The reason science is great is this skepticism, never settle for easy answers. Check, and double-check, replicate, verify.

You know Anand, if anything can find an answer to this anomaly the article describes, it is science. Religious dogma can never find an answer. It can only exist where there is scientific uncertainty.

Cheers!
 

sarma-61

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One doubt about this article is why it comes now? 2007 meeting now made to a mountain - drug company executives present, note it. As drug companies appear to be behind it, i think some new drug, third generation of what they call antipsychotics, will come out soon. much money should have gone for it and this article may be followed by tv shows, discussions, research papers and so on. then the new drug will come down as an avatar! sky-high prices but doctors will rush to prescribe it as much as they can. it may be banned in US but india and other countries will not ban. doctors here may get aeroplanes as incentives! all this happens commonly in drug industry. i heard this from doctors themselves who get rich this way.
 
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SwamiTaBra

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Thanks for putting up the article.

Medicine in one area where challenges of replication of results are bound to be on increase. Every antibiotic generates a different strain of organism resistant to original drug. This engenders broad-spectrum, broader-spectrum and so-on. Now anti-depressants and anti-psychotics are under question.

Delinking drug production from physicians seems to be the cause, unlike in Ayurveda or homoeopathy. By the time a physician comes to know that a particular drug is losing its efficacy, precious time could be lost.

One of contentious issues hanging in the scientific community is on quantum mechanics and relativity.

Earlier I had given an article by Dr. B.M. Hegde on a similar subject in the thread "Advaitha and its fallacies" (Post#174) under Philosophy and Scriptures.

Regards,
Swami
 

happyhindu

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Medicine in one area where challenges of replication of results are bound to be on increase.
May i know which are the areas where there are challenges in replication of results? Using the term "medicine" in association with such a statement is vague, ambigous and hypothetical. Its like saying the whole field is facing a challenge wrt replication of results, which is rather comical.

Every antibiotic generates a different strain of organism resistant to original drug. This engenders broad-spectrum, broader-spectrum and so-on. Now anti-depressants and anti-psychotics are under question.
May i know on what basis can one claim that "every" antibiotic generates a strain resistant to the 'original' drug?

Delinking drug production from physicians seems to be the cause, unlike in Ayurveda or homoeopathy. By the time a physician comes to know that a particular drug is losing its efficacy, precious time could be lost.
How is drug production delinked from physicians (in western medicine) ? So a physician must research to find a symptomatic cure for a headache on his own, then manufacture acetaminophen on his own, and treat the patient by dispensing the drug on his own?

Regards.
 
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anandb

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Hello Anand, you honor me more than I deserve. You know, talking of precognition, just yesterday I was thinking about you, what happened to dear Anand, he is silent for so long, probably got bored with all the useless arguments, I thought :).

Daniel Dennette has a section on "precognition" in his brazenly titled book, "Conciousness Explained" -- he gives a very reasonable rational explanation for some of the experimental results in this area.

You know Anand, it is articles like this one that bolsters my respect for science. Nobody thinks of science when they flip out their i-phone or Android and search for an Indian restaurant in an unfamiliar city, and just by touching it with the forefinger get turn-by-turn navigation assistance. Who thinks of science when we board an airplane and surrender our life to some unknown individuals we have never met. Science is not what we thank for the medicine we use to control blood sugar or pressure or a host of other chronic conditions. We take all these for granted.

But what makes science so wonderful is the case described in this article. Nothing is settled and beyond skepticism. No anomaly on "settled" theory is simply hushed up. The reason science is great is this skepticism, never settle for easy answers. Check, and double-check, replicate, verify.

You know Anand, if anything can find an answer to this anomaly the article describes, it is science. Religious dogma can never find an answer. It can only exist where there is scientific uncertainty.

Cheers!

Shri. Nara, very well said. Dogma in any form is unwelcome. Personally, I can compartmentalize certain aspects of religion which are more experiential and still to be proved from a scientific standpoint and science separately. Certain personal experiences stand with you even if scientifically unprovable. The one thing that has always disturbed me and finds a mention in the article is the funding for science. R & D no doubt needs to be funded but the problem arises when the results get skewed in favor of what the funder needs to see, similar to the military-industrial complex influencing America's war mongering polices. Already we see the results of this in the pharma industry and no doubt we are going to see in many other products as well. I think this is already happening. I think this is a greater problem confronting science than anything else, I think.
 
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SwamiTaBra

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May i know which are the areas where there are challenges in replication of results? Using the term "medicine" in association with such a statement is vague, ambigous and hypothetical. Its like saying the whole field is facing a challenge wrt replication of results, which is rather comical.
kindly read the article attached by anandb. If you don't under what "medicine" is understood as a discipline and as a drug for therapeutic purposes, I can't help.

May i know on what basis can one claim that "every" antibiotic generates a strain resistant to the 'original' drug?
Pencillin as you might know was the first antibiotic, a miracle drug for all infections of those times. Now hardly any physician prescribes pencillin. Take chloramphenicol, a drug widely used for treatment of cholera and typhoid. Doctors now realise that it does bring down the infection to the safe level (for the same dosage) as it did some decades back. In case of relapse of typhoid, they have go for some other drug.

Right now the physicians have little say in drug preparation. I remember sometime in late 1980s when I was selling drugs, gynaecologists/obstreticians would have different opinions on the suitable potency of diazepam that would be effective during labour. Traditional ayurveda vaidyars prepare or oversee the preparation of each drug.

Regards,
Swami

P.S. I am not in the game of answering questions raised with an intention of scoring some brownie point. Hope you get the message.
 

happyhindu

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kindly read the article attached by anandb. If you don't under what "medicine" is understood as a discipline and as a drug for therapeutic purposes, I can't help.

Pencillin as you might know was the first antibiotic, a miracle drug for all infections of those times. Now hardly any physician prescribes pencillin. Take chloramphenicol, a drug widely used for treatment of cholera and typhoid. Doctors now realise that it does bring down the infection to the safe level (for the same dosage) as it did some decades back. In case of relapse of typhoid, they have go for some other drug.

Right now the physicians have little say in drug preparation. I remember sometime in late 1980s when I was selling drugs, gynaecologists/obstreticians would have different opinions on the suitable potency of diazepam that would be effective during labour. Traditional ayurveda vaidyars prepare or oversee the preparation of each drug.
You are very wrong in saying that doctors have little say in drug preparation. If you walk into any big lab dealing with drug discovery, say pfizer or glaxo, you are bound to see medical specialists in relevant research teams. Btw, penicillin variants continue to be presribed.

The physicians's job is to diagnose the patient and treat. Not to manufacture medicines. In fields like ayurveda where pharmacology is far simpler, the vaidyar can prepare the medicine. There is no reason to compare ayurveda with 'western" medicine.

Every physician reserves the right to decide from the orthodox textbook and from experiential pov which medicine and how much dosage to give. Patient response can vary. That does not mean the medicines themselves are ineffective. It is quite apparent that as microorganisms evolve, drugs have to keep up pace and new drugs are bound to come into the market. No one created viruses like hiv and sars-cov.

It is baseless to claim as though the whole field has some problem in "replicating results". No medicine can come into the market without stringent clinical trials. And as far i can see even ayurvedic docs and homepaths run to allopaths the moment they have things like TB, typhoid, or require an angiogram or some surgery.

The attitude apparently is to demonise anything western and glorify anything indian (even if it involves consumption of toxic arsenic and mercury loaded ayurvedic medicines).

P.S. I am not in the game of answering questions raised with an intention of scoring some brownie point. Hope you get the message.
The intension of my posts on this thread was to bring home the point how others might view some of your posts. Nobody's posts are perfect. But to reserve the right to comment crassly is one thing, and then claim to be not interested in brownie points when relevant questions are asked is another thing. The reason why i made the post on this thread to you is obvious -- sir, apparently you wud like to call others' posts as comedy / humor; but before you do that, please take a look at some of your own posts.

Regards.
 
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SwamiTaBra

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You are very wrong in saying that doctors have little say in drug preparation. If you walk into any big lab dealing with drug discovery, say pfizer or glaxo, you are bound to see medical specialists in relevant research teams. Btw, penicillin variants continue to be presribed.

The physicians's job is to diagnose the patient and treat. Not to manufacture medicines. In fields like ayurveda where pharmacology is far simpler, the vaidyar can prepare the medicine. There is no reason to compare ayurveda with 'western" medicine.

Every physician reserves the right to decide from the orthodox textbook and from experiential pov which medicine and how much dosage to give. Patient response can vary. That does not mean the medicines themselves are ineffective. It is quite apparent that as microorganisms evolve, drugs have to keep up pace and new drugs are bound to come into the market. No one created viruses like hiv and sars-cov.

It is baseless to claim as though the whole field has some problem in "replicating results". No medicine can come into the market without stringent clinical trials. And as far i can see even ayurvedic docs and homepaths run to allopaths the moment they have things like TB, typhoid, or require an angiogram or some surgery.

The attitude apparently is to demonise anything western and glorify anything indian (even if it involves consumption of toxic arsenic and mercury loaded ayurvedic medicines).


The intension of my posts on this thread was to bring home the point how others might view some of your posts. Nobody's posts are perfect. But to reserve the right to comment crassly is one thing, and then claim to be not interested in brownie points when relevant questions are asked is another thing. The reason why i made the post on this thread to you is obvious -- sir, apparently you wud like to call others' posts as comedy / humor; but before you do that, please take a look at some of your own posts.

Regards.

Many thanks for exposing your half-baked knowledge on the issues in question.

Regards,
Swami
 

happyhindu

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Many thanks for exposing your half-baked knowledge on the issues in question.

Regards,
Swami
You claim you sold medicines in the late 1980s. And for someone who sold medicines, it is quite apparent how much you know.

If your knowledge was fully-baked, they wudn't sound so comical. Now am sure this thread should be moved to the jokes / humor category.
 
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SwamiTaBra

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You claim you sold medicines in the late 1980s. And for someone who sold medicines, it is quite apparent how much you know.

If your knowledge was fully-baked, they wudn't sound so comical. Now am sure this thread should be moved to the jokes / humor category.
I go by the advise of wise people that persons revealing psychotic behaviour are to be dealt with due care and compassion.

Bye and get well soon.
Swami
 

happyhindu

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I go by the advise of wise people that persons revealing psychotic behaviour are to be dealt with due care and compassion.

Bye and get well soon.
Swami
Swami, it is quite apparent that casteists who justify untouchability in public secular areas are mentally sick. Such people are capable of only selective care and corrupted compassion. And it is quite apparent who are the people suffering from such an abnormal condition of the mind here.

Anyways, my posts to you was to bring your own sarcasm to your attention. All i wanted to convey was how others too could view your posts as jokes / humor / comedy.

The readers can decide for themselves what is what.

So with this i stop.

Bye.
 

sarma-61

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why is it that there is so much of personal attacks in this forum? this shows, to a man like me, that tbs are not any way different from any other group anywhere in the web. even then there are so many threads and posts talking about how brahmins are great and so on and so forth. strange!!
 
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anandb

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Dear all members,
Many years before I read three articles in a Tamil Magazine " MANJARI' (similar to Readers Digest).
1. A German Scientist wanted to know why particular temples attract large crowds while few people visit some other temples.He found out that "Bright Hallow" is seen in the main deity of temples which attract large crowds,
less hallow in other temples, no hallow in ordinary stones.I do not know whether he used Telescope or any other device to come to this conclusion.

A place of worship becomes an "energy center" simply due to the "faith" of the thousands of people converging in that place and praying. This is true irrespective of religion. I have been to mosques and churches and of course temples and one can feel the presence of positive energy flowing. I think "faith" and "answer to prayers" in a place of worship kind of feed each other. So the more the faith in a particular place of worship the people feel that particular deity answers their prayers promptly. My feeling is the installed deity gets as much power from the faith of people and gives it back by answering their prayers. It probably goes to prove as well that god resides in us. So what we project on others including a deity made of stone comes back to us in the same form. Just like saying "love breeds love" or "hatred breeds hatred". As Jesus said "Faith moves mountains".

I think the power of doing continuous "abhishekams" to the deity should also not be underestimated. There is something magical about "abhishekams". Apart from offering a grand visual delight, I think, they also contribute to the flow of energy in the place of worship. I have visited people's homes where abhishekam of "Salagramam" are a regular feature and have felt the same vibrations I feel when I visit a temple.
 

Nara

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I go by the advise of wise people that persons revealing psychotic behaviour are to be dealt with due care and compassion.

Bye and get well soon.
Swami
Members,

I wish to condemn this comment from SwamiTabra in as forceful a way as humanly possible. Earlier, SwamiTabra mocked Happy's comments as fit to belong in the Jokes section. Now he says she is psychotic. It would be a travesty to standby and let such conceit go unchallenged. I only hope SwamiTabra refrains from making such uncouth comments in the future.


why is it that there is so much of personal attacks in this forum? this shows, to a man like me, that tbs are not any way different from any other group anywhere in the web. even then there are so many threads and posts talking about how brahmins are great and so on and so forth. strange!!
I do appreciate the angst behind this comment, but beg to differ a little. There are at least two other Tamil oriented web sites I drop in from time to time. Most of the posts there are mostly 2 or 3 lines, each calling the other names like what SwamiTabra has done. Our forum is not like that, at least not yet. We as members must be vigilant and nip such tendencies in the bud. This forum belongs to all of us and it is our common responsibility to keep it free of crassness.

Thank you....
 

sarma-61

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A place of worship becomes an "energy center" simply due to the "faith" of the thousands of people converging in that place and praying. This is true irrespective of religion. I have been to mosques and churches and of course temples and one can feel the presence of positive energy flowing. I think "faith" and "answer to prayers" in a place of worship kind of feed each other. So the more the faith in a particular place of worship the people feel that particular deity answers their prayers promptly. My feeling is the installed deity gets as much power from the faith of people and gives it back by answering their prayers. It probably goes to prove as well that god resides in us. So what we project on others including a deity made of stone comes back to us in the same form. Just like saying "love breeds love" or "hatred breeds hatred". As Jesus said "Faith moves mountains".

I think the power of doing continuous "abhishekams" to the deity should also not be underestimated. There is something magical about "abhishekams". Apart from offering a grand visual delight, I think, they also contribute to the flow of energy in the place of worship. I have visited people's homes where abhishekam of "Salagramam" are a regular feature and have felt the same vibrations I feel when I visit a temple.

Some Nambootiris say the idol in temple gets power by chanting of mantras without asking for favours. i understand that in the past nambootiris used to go to temples sit in the 'mandapam' where only they (Nampootiris) can sit, recite mantras for the particular god so many times in prescribed way like nyaasams, etc., and all the while touch the floor of mandapam with ring finger so that the power of mantra remained there and did not go to them. this was generally done by old persons with little wants and desire - not by young people.

i don't know if this is true because no such thing is found now.

abhishekam or alankaaram or anything else is actually impressing mind of visitors but not creating "vibrations" i think. can we detect these vibrations by any machine?
 

sarma-61

New member
Members,

I do appreciate the angst behind this comment, but beg to differ a little. There are at least two other Tamil oriented web sites I drop in from time to time. Most of the posts there are mostly 2 or 3 lines, each calling the other names like what SwamiTabra has done. Our forum is not like that, at least not yet. We as members must be vigilant and nip such tendencies in the bud. This forum belongs to all of us and it is our common responsibility to keep it free of crassness.

Thank you....

Shri Nara Sir,

I was only saying this forum makes many claims about greatness of brahmins, their high qualities, ancestry, great tradition and so on but at the same time fight calling names just like "kuzhaayadi chandai". This strange combination only i was telling about. i said this is also just like any other. kindly see.
 
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SwamiTaBra

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Firstly, let the readers look at the entire series of posts in which I had involved with Happy Hindu and judge themselves.

Also let Happy Hindu come out with her verifiable identity. As for me, I reside in
Chennai and as mentioned in one of my early posts to this web-site, the founder of this forum and veterans can come and check my authenticity of whether I am a Tamil Brahmin or not.

Those who now complain with an air of injured innocence are guilty of same charge that is being levelled on me with selective references.

With regards,
Swami
 
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happyhindu

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Firstly, let the readers look at the entire series of posts in which I had involved with Happy Hindu and judge themselves.

Also let Happy Hindu come out with her verifiable identity. As for me, I reside in
Chennai and as mentioned in one of my early posts to this web-site, the founder of this forum and veterans can come and check my authenticity of whether I am a Tamil Brahmin or not.

Those who now complain with an air of injured innocence are guilty of same charge that is being levelled on me with selective references.

With regards,
Swami

My verifiable identity is well known to a select few of this forum including Praveen. That has nothing to do with the Sarcasm on this thread and elsewhere.

Yes Sure, Let the readers decide for themselves. Surely Swami has the right to hold the opinion that my posts are eligible to be posted under jokes / humor section as he mentioned earlier. Similarly i too have the right to point out how much some of his posts are comical and fit to go into humor / jokes category. Politeness and being mindful of one's speech is not a one-way traffic. Its about give and take respect. If one wishes to make crass / baseless comments, he should also be prepared to hear the same coming back to him.

Btw, nobody is complaining at all. No need to imagine any sort of innocence.

Regards.
 
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Nara

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.....Also let Happy Hindu come out with her verifiable identity. As for me, I reside in Chennai and as mentioned in one of my early posts to this web-site, the founder of this forum and veterans can come and check my authenticity of whether I am a Tamil Brahmin or not.
SwamiTaBra, In this web forum verifiable identity is not a prerequisite for participation. Your identity is no more relevant than Happy's in so far as the condemnable nature of your comments.

Those who now complain with an air of injured innocence are guilty of same charge that is being levelled on me with selective references.
Your comments can injure only to the extent the target of your comment allows it. Irrespective of that, your comments are condemnable and it reveals your character.

Cheers!
 

Vivek_V

New member
On Scientific Method,

I don't know about medicine, but on the scientific method I can say it is the only method of acquiring knowledge. It has an empirical approach which is good, because it is on that basis that anything - say a medicine, or a machine will work. But it requires those doing the method to also make lay down conjuctures/axioms and then try and predict future consequences. The test verifies the case, but if the verficiation is working only for sometime it would require to find out what was wrong.

Either something of the environment or test conditions has changed, or the nature of that being tested has itself changed, in time. If this change is at a level of knowledge beyond which we can detect, the reason for the test condition going wrong leaves us to think the conjucture is wrong or not universal. If the conjecture-based-conclusions continues to work in some other cases, it leaves us to create a seperation of the very field of study even if it is closely linked.

It is for reason like this that Classical physics and Quantum physics are like separate fields, even if there is little idea on why this "new laws" open up at a particular matter level.

In other cases, when something cannot be experienced often (personally/emotional or as external effect), its difficult to even experiment on it leaving us to not get a clear study on it. I don't see anything "wrong" in the scientific method, but it needs to become more refined - about what we consider empircal, and the lower level of conjecture (like mathematical axioms). For that we will need better understanding of reality which will come in time. By "lower level" I mean something like is an axiom that is accepted as evidently true. For instance, saying 1 + 1 = 2 doesn't demand and explaination of why it is so, ordinary intiution tells us and throughout we accept it as fact. But the second postulate of the special theory of relativity, that the speed of light is constant in all frames of references demands an explaination because it seems to assume too much while starting itself. However, it has still given the theory, because experimental results agree with it. But it does find some inconsistencies with the idea of entanglement and locality.

The scientific method gives weight to finding out empirically and physical experiment, which is the basis of it. While experiments can have a danger element to them, to some extent it is important to have it to move ahead and know more. It has hiterto been the main reason of scientific discovery and invention too. Empirical thinking I feel should have a great place for our community, even if we shouldn't right away disregard anything out of our experience.

Regards and thanks for this topic Sri Anandb = ),
Vivek.
 
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SwamiTaBra

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Dear Sri, Nara,

Your comments can injure only to the extent the target of your comment allows it. Irrespective of that, your comments are condemnable and it reveals your character.
You brow-beat members here in this forum when they disagree with you. When you meet someone as combative as you are, you squeal and sermonise on civility.

Anyway, I care two hoots about what you think about me.

As far as the identity of registered members are concerned, it is only fair that one reveals his/her identity. When Kunjuppu asked me about my identity for a valid reason, I gave without any hesitation (for every one to see)and in fact I had said that I welcome steps to check the identity of members of this forum.

I for that matter would not intrude into a web-site of Chettiars, Nadar or Mudaliar or of any other jati giving false identities or hide my identity to the participants. In fact if at all I have comments to make, I would seek permission from the administrators/moderators of the respective forum.

I wish the founder Praveen takes congnisance of this matter.

Why can't Happy Hindu reveal her identity to all?

Regards,
Swami
 

pannvalan

Well-known member
Long time ago, I appealed to our members to use only standard form of English - usually British, as can be understood by all. But people continue to use abbreviations and western slangs very liberally in their posts, to confuse and frighten others and to defend and fortify themselves.

Many words used here do not even find a place in all standard dictionaries.

This is a despicable trend. Only the admins have to arrest this, by putting down their foot heavily.

We must understand two basic things.

1. It is healthy to discuss any topic in a civil and polite manner to gain more knowledge and to gain more insights.

2. Be it in science or be it in literature/published works, evidence is available aplenty to argue for something and argue against the same something.
Therefore, one can only know the 2 sides of the same coin, but cannot conclude only one is right and the other is wrong.

Those who know this wisdom and practise it in their real life are liked by all.
 
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