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tbs

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hi

just info...Vaagmi ji knows rules very well..so it is nothing wrong....he is well known member...even it is in GD

SECTION....its good for everybody....no need of VISWAMITRA KOBAM for these matters.....lol
 
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prasad1

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Respect for a person is not same as respect for expertise.
For example, Mr Gopalan, Mr Iyer are experts in rituals. Mr tks is an expert on Philosophy and technology. Madam Renuka is an expert in medical field.

If there are factual differences between two experts that can be sorted out in Ritual section. Many that visit that section may not come to GD


Here at GD debates are about opinions and interpretations.
Nothing stops any of us from opening a thread, and referring to the ritual section as the basis.

When a 'well known member' asks another one for a clarification based on his expertise they both see value of the discussions for others. Such things add value to the forum and should not be stifled. That is my point.

There is no group-ism that I see. If there is a bullying that can be reported. Let us not bring extraneous information into a discussion.

I do not know whether you can understand it or not, but you are indulging in that kind of Gath-Bhandan.

Selectively declaring some of the members as the experts, you are demeaning others as Garbage.
If you like an opinion, you can like it or even praise "The opinion" not necessarily the person behind that opinion. Because tomorrow you might disagree with an opinion expressed by that so-called expert, you have no choice.
This site will continue after we all are gone, so none of us are indispensable.
I do not believe in Hero worship. I deal with opinions.

Let us get back to the topic.
 
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a-TB

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I do not know whether you can understand it or not, but you are indulging in that kind of Gath-Bhandan.

Selectively declaring some of the members as the experts, you are demeaning others as Garbage.
If you like an opinion, you can like it or even praise "The opinion" not necessarily the person behind that opinion. Because tomorrow you might disagree with an opinion expressed by that so-called expert, you have no choice.
This site will continue after we all are gone, so none of us are indispensable.
I do not believe in Hero worship. I deal with opinions.

Let us get back to the topic.
In internet forums all across there is a lot of misinformation.

It is important for each of us to have a sense as to who is credible when it comes to facts. It is possible to disagree and but there is an earned credibility in an area. So it is not a praise but a statement of credibility. You are welcome to disagree. When we are unable to distinguish credibility of information source we may indiscriminately copy and paste and distribute them as facts.

Just by quoting a few examples of local expertise (which is my opinion) does not imply demeaning anyone. A person is not an expert in every avenue. No one believes in hero worship

I do not have interests in rituals but I know whose words I am likely to trust for starters.

You have made several disjoint statements. No one talked about anyone being indispensable. There is no demeaning of anyone. There is no hero worship

It is a matter of earned credibility in a particular subject based on past posts.
 

prasad1

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Mark Twain defined an expert as "an ordinary fellow from another town". Will Rogers described an expert as "A man fifty miles from home with a briefcase." Danish scientist and Nobel laureate Niels Bohr defined an expert as "A person that has made every possible mistake within his or her field." Malcolm Gladwell describes expertise as a matter of practicing the correct way for a total of around 10,000 hours.

Then every child (under 2) thinks that their parents are EXPERT in everything. Then most of them grow up and realize their folly.
I am done with experts and Gurus. Think of it some people thought Asaram Bapu as Guru.

Somebody else can have the last word. I am done.
 
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kgopalan

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।க்ஷத்ரியர்களுக்கும் வைசியர்களுக்கும் புரோஹிதருடைய கோத்ர ப்ரவரங்கள் தான் இது தவிர வேறு இல்லை. இக்ஷ்வாகு வம்சத்திற்கு வஸிஷ்ட மகரிஷி புரோஹிதர். ஆதலால் இக்ஷ்வாகு வம்சத்திற்கு வஸிஷ்ட கோத்ரம். இக்ஷ்வாகுவின் புதல்வர் வ்ரிக்ஷி, நிமி இருவருக்கும் வஸிஷ்ட கோத்ரம் தான். ஆனால் கருத்து வேற்றுமை காரணமாக நிமி சக்கரவர்த்தி வஸிஷ்டருக்கு பதிலாக சதானந்தரை புரோஹிதராக வரித்தார்.

சதா நந்தர் கெளதம கோத்திரம். ஆகையால் நிமி சக்ரவர்த்தி யும் புரொஹித கோத்ரமான கெளதம கோத்திரமாக மாறி விடுகிறார். இந்த விதமாக கோத்திர பேதம் ஏற்பட்டமையால்தான்
விசுவாமித்ரர், வசிஷ்டர், சதானந்தர்முதலிய ரிஷிகள் கூடி நிமி வம்சத்தில் வந்த ஸீதாபிராட்டிக்கும் வ்ருக்ஷி வம்சத்தில் வந்த ஸ்ரீ ராம பிரானுக்கும் ,விவாஹம் செய்து வைத்தனர்.
 

a-TB

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Mark Twain defined an expert as "an ordinary fellow from another town". Will Rogers described an expert as "A man fifty miles from home with a briefcase." Danish scientist and Nobel laureate Niels Bohr defined an expert as "A person that has made every possible mistake within his or her field." Malcolm Gladwell describes expertise as a matter of practicing the correct way for a total of around 10,000 hours.

Then every child (under 2) thinks that their parents are EXPERT in everything. Then most of them grow up and realize their folly.
I am done with experts and Gurus. Think of it some people thought Asaram Bapu as Guru.

Somebody else can have the last word. I am done.
Glad to know we are done with disjoint statements and extraneous information in this thread.
 
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prasad1

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Glad to know we are done with disjoint statements and extraneous information in this thread.
Shows vindictiveness. pettiness, egoistic person.

You are welcome. Good, you showed your true color.
 
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renuka

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Glad to know we are done with disjoint statements and extraneous information in this thread.
I have no idea the reason to get quotes from Google searches on who are experts (from possibly other experts) LOL

Anyone can Google and come to any forum and post something. A wrong info gets propagated like this all the time lowering the value of many online forums.

Some of these posters on questioning do not provide source or cannot say how they validated the accuracy of what they pass around. A recent Gayatri thread is an example.

What makes this forum great is that among all the copy and paste enthusiasts, spammers, and propagators of misinformation there are few 'local experts' who have earned credibility by what they write. That credibility is earned and validated by every post.

The forum is fortunate to attract such people to contribute and that is all I was saying. I only gave some examples and left out a few more.
Ok...lets get one very important fact right.

Each active member here is known for something...whether copy& paste or music or tradition or religion or even cock and bull..
But i am Googling Searching my head now to find out what a- TB is known for?

And my answer is Shunyam.
I am very sure now Indian discovered Zero.
You are the Shunya Avatar.
 

KRN

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Shows vindictiveness. pettiness, egoistic person.

You are welcome. Good, you showed your true color.
Very harsh adjectives and appears totally inappropriate in the context of the message you have quoted. Pray, what is there vindictive in his message? As for your accusation of egoistic, I have felt just the opposite. I have felt that Sri a-TB's messages were well balanced, and reasonable without a shadow of personal ego. In fact Sri a-TB regularly expresses his indebtedness to others in all the things that he has learnt from them, which is a reflection of his humility.
 

KRN

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[QUOTE="renuka, post: 428623, member: 7604"

And my answer is Shunyam.
I am very sure now Indian discovered Zero.
You are the Shunya Avatar.
[/QUOTE
I like how Sri a-TB redirects the focus of a thread on to reasonable and substantiated arguments, without taking sides, whenever it threatens to meander away from the original topic. That's a very good skill to have
 

a-TB

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Dear Mr KRN,

Thank you for your insight and kind words. Ever since you became more active, though it is expenditure of your time with little gain to you , you have helped many with your expertise in many topics including me. I always read your posts with keen interest.

Dear Renuka Madam,

I do not claim any expertise in any of the major topic areas of this forum. Value addition need not be only by freely sharing expertise

Here is my take on value added posts. None of us are zero and none of us are perfect. We are mostly a mix

1. Positive value added posts: :Local experts who are willing to share expertise, dispels myths etc

2. Somewhat positive: Select copy and paste posts that are very relevant, pointing our logical issues in posts, challenging content and prevent propagation of wrong information in this internet age, etc - this list is not exhaustive, Pointing out when a thread is hijacked

3. Zero value : Reads posts now and then but no participation - mostly silent

4. Somewhat negative value added: Spamming by copying and pasting all kind of irrelevant posts filibustering good discussions, ego driven arguments, passing on information that is not properly validated from internet,


5. Negative value added : Abusive, name calling, purposefully hijacking a thread, ganging up just for the sake of it


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Getting back to the topic of the thread. I have a question, not sure if there is any answer to it,

A while ago I remember a thread about how Y chromosomes are tied to a given Gotra. So marriage within the same Gotra is prohibited as a practice to maintain diversity of Y chromosomes. I am not a science person but that is how I understood it, Now if the lineage explained by Mr Gopalan is taken , I wonder how diversity of Y Chromosomes in maintained when a Viswamitra Gotra person marries a Kausika Gotra person.
 

chandar

Member
த்ரயார்ஷேய கோத்ரங்களில் ஒரு ரிஷி ஒத்திருந்தால் விவாஹம் செய்யலாம்.

ஹரித கோத்ரம்:-ஆங்க்கீரஸ அம்பரீஷ யெளவனாஶ்வ -த்ரயார்ஷேய ப்ரவரம்.

கண்வ கோத்ரம்:-ஆங்க்கீரஸ,, அஜாமிட,காண்வ -த்ரயார்ஷேய ப்ரவரம்.
ஆங்க்கீரஸ ரிஷி ஒருவரே ஒத்து உள்ளமையால் விவாஹம் செய்யலாம்.

குத்ஸ கோத்ரம்:-மாந்தாத்ரு அம்பரீஷ கெளத்ஸ-த்ரயார்ஷேய ப்ரவரம்
ஹரித கோத்ரம்:-மாந்தாத்ரு, அம்பரீஷ யெளவனாஶ்வ-த்ரயார்ஷேய ப்ரவரம்.

இங்கு மாந்தாத்ரு, அம்பரீஷ- என்ற இரு ப்ரவரம் ஒத்து வருவதால் விவாஹம் செய்யகூடாது.
ஹரித கோத்திரத்திற்கு இரண்டு விதமான ப்ரவரம் உள்ளது.
Not understood Sir
Can you pls post in English or translate your post into English for general awakening of all. Hope my request will be acceded to too. Thanks
 
In reply to Sri Vaagmi, Sri K Gopalan writes, without giving his source, as usual:-

த்ரயார்ஷேய கோத்ரங்களில் ஒரு ரிஷி ஒத்திருந்தால் விவாஹம் செய்யலாம்.

ஹரித கோத்ரம்:-ஆங்க்கீரஸ அம்பரீஷ யெளவனாஶ்வ -த்ரயார்ஷேய ப்ரவரம்.

கண்வ கோத்ரம்:-ஆங்க்கீரஸ,, அஜாமிட,காண்வ -த்ரயார்ஷேய ப்ரவரம்.
ஆங்க்கீரஸ ரிஷி ஒருவரே ஒத்து உள்ளமையால் விவாஹம் செய்யலாம்.

குத்ஸ கோத்ரம்:-மாந்தாத்ரு அம்பரீஷ கெளத்ஸ-த்ரயார்ஷேய ப்ரவரம்
ஹரித கோத்ரம்:-மாந்தாத்ரு, அம்பரீஷ யெளவனாஶ்வ-த்ரயார்ஷேய ப்ரவரம்.

இங்கு மாந்தாத்ரு, அம்பரீஷ- என்ற இரு ப்ரவரம் ஒத்து வருவதால் விவாஹம் செய்யகூடாது.
ஹரித கோத்திரத்திற்கு இரண்டு விதமான ப்ரவரம் உள்ளது.


What we see in practice is that in a three-rishi parivaaram it is the name of the last-mentioned rishi that is adopted as the Brahmin's gothram, whereas the name of the first-mentioned rishi is adopted as the Kshathriya's gothram, and the guru's or a god's name e.g. Mahavishnu, Mahadeva, is adopted as the Vaishya's (or shoodra's) gothram.

In a five-rishi parivaaram, however, such as paarvaka, shyaavana, aapnavaana, aurva, jaamathaknya, a totally different gothram, i.e. shrivathsa, is introduced for Brahmins.

When comparing horoscopes for "marriage matching", one normally accepts the gothram as given in the horoscope (unless the vadu's or the varan's parents otherwise request), and proceeds to see how the ten porutthams, or fifteen porutthams stand. And whether there is any Chevvai dosham or other impediment. If so, the recommended praayaschitthams.

Where the gothrams are manifestly the same for both proposed groom and proposed bride, one normally advises that the match should not proceed. This has nothing to do with the false belief that members of the same gothram are blood descendants of their respective rishis. It has to do with the notion that all pupils of a particular rishi (and their lineal descendants in perpetuity) are members of a close fraternity bound by vows taken (or implied) before acceptance as shishyas and sharing the same upadeshams and values imparted by the rishi.

S Narayanaswamy Iyer
 

prasad1

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Where the gothrams are manifestly the same for both proposed groom and proposed bride, one normally advises that the match should not proceed. This has nothing to do with the false belief that members of the same gothram are blood descendants of their respective rishis. It has to do with the notion that all pupils of a particular rishi (and their lineal descendants in perpetuity) are members of a close fraternity bound by vows taken (or implied) before acceptance as shishyas and sharing the same upadeshams and values imparted by the rishi.
Well said.
 

KRN

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Dear Mr KRN,

Thank you for your insight and kind words. Ever since you became more active, though it is expenditure of your time with little gain to you , you have helped many with your expertise in many topics including me. I always read your posts with keen interest
Thank you. I don't think anyone here would claim to be an " expert" in any field as that will be like wearing a crown of thorns. As for myself, I just happen to have read up on some areas whereby the assurance it gives makes it fun to contribute here and to indulge in arguments, let me put it plainly. On the other hand, each member here brings something to the table. What this forum needs is a much wider participation rather than the same old Nick's with their well known pet loves and hates. In this regard, I ask myself - if every other member was like me, opening roughly one new thread per year, would anyone care to visit this forum? In that perspective I admire the energy of prasadji, who keeps opening new threads and keeps the forum active, making it interesting and relevant to any new member who might care to contribute. I have mentioned it earlier too.
 

renuka

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Thank you. I don't think anyone here would claim to be an " expert" in any field as that will be like wearing a crown of thorns. As for myself, I just happen to have read up on some areas whereby the assurance it gives makes it fun to contribute here and to indulge in arguments, let me put it plainly. On the other hand, each member here brings something to the table. What this forum needs is a much wider participation rather than the same old Nick's with their well known pet loves and hates. In this regard, I ask myself - if every other member was like me, opening roughly one new thread per year, would anyone care to visit this forum? In that perspective I admire the energy of prasadji, who keeps opening new threads and keeps the forum active, making it interesting and relevant to any new member who might care to contribute. I have mentioned it earlier too.
Finally..a fair and just analysis.
 

prasad1

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Thank you. I don't think anyone here would claim to be an " expert" in any field as that will be like wearing a crown of thorns. As for myself, I just happen to have read up on some areas whereby the assurance it gives makes it fun to contribute here and to indulge in arguments, let me put it plainly. On the other hand, each member here brings something to the table. What this forum needs is a much wider participation rather than the same old Nick's with their well known pet loves and hates. In this regard, I ask myself - if every other member was like me, opening roughly one new thread per year, would anyone care to visit this forum? In that perspective I admire the energy of prasadji, who keeps opening new threads and keeps the forum active, making it interesting and relevant to any new member who might care to contribute. I have mentioned it earlier too.
Thank you.
 

a-TB

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Thank you. I don't think anyone here would claim to be an " expert" in any field as that will be like wearing a crown of thorns. As for myself, I just happen to have read up on some areas whereby the assurance it gives makes it fun to contribute here and to indulge in arguments, let me put it plainly. On the other hand, each member here brings something to the table. What this forum needs is a much wider participation rather than the same old Nick's with their well known pet loves and hates. In this regard, I ask myself - if every other member was like me, opening roughly one new thread per year, would anyone care to visit this forum? In that perspective I admire the energy of prasadji, who keeps opening new threads and keeps the forum active, making it interesting and relevant to any new member who might care to contribute. I have mentioned it earlier too.
More than the characterization as a local expert it is all about credibility of information or arguments presented by some in an age of social media. I value quality over quantity, authenticity and balanced presentations.

In terms of balance, I agree with your statement that one must applaud Mr Prasad's energy to keep the forum active. Good that you pointed this out (again).
 
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KRN

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More than the characterization as a local expert it is all about credibility of information or arguments presented by some in an age of social media. I value quality over quantity, authenticity and balanced presentations.
I understood and agree with your point.
I agree that in terms of quality, many of the threads are at the bottom level :)
 

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